RE: Monolaurin-PUB MED

January 14, 2006

I'm delighted to see you've taken an interest in my current research Dr.

Schaller. Pubmed is my source also. I've done the same and my curiosity

has increased tremendously after some research and speaking with some

professionals who have used it in their clinics. Had the pleasure of

speaking with Dr. Jon Kabara who discovered Lauricidin over 40 years ago.

He's 80 now, he gave me the honor of sharing a tad of his knowledge for over

an hour this afternoon discussing a few clinical cases under supervision of

M.D.'s using the pure lauricidin instead of the " monolaurin " capsules.

Dosage is critical according to Dr. Kabara and the M.D.'s using the

lauricidin. The pure form comes in tiny pellets and a small child might be

given 5 pellets for a few days and increased to 5 tid.

The pure form is more cost effective. An average bottle of monolaurin

contains calcium 106mg, ionsine 7.1 mg, 300mg monolaurin plus

fillers/capsule. That's approximately 27 grams of monolaurin for around $14

versus a 227 gram jar for $29.95 plus S & H. Some patients have been found to

require up to 9 grams a day which would be more than 30 caps. It's not

water soluble, the pellets taste like soap and have to be taken quickly and

washed down with some liquid.

Much more to say but would probably not interest the members. Do keep in

mind lauricidin (monolaurin) does not target most gram-negative bacteria.

I plan to order some and try it and also experiment in formulating some

topicals with the lauricidin. Will continue my research on this and would

certainly appreciate any findings you have. I will recommend this product

to a friend with HepC and one with Lyme.

Rosie

[] Monolaurin-PUB MED

I was fascinated to see 81 articles on Monolaurin on PubMed. Some

quite curious. Free price. I have no vested interest, but seems curious. In

my rushed email I mistakenly gave it the wrong label chemically. Since in

clinical medicine we are dying for new things to kill infections or promote

the effectiveness of current ones, any ideas worth some look. I have no

opinion...... Just curiosity

FEMS Immunol Med Microbiol. 2003 May 15;36(1-2):9-17.

Antibacterial actions of fatty acids and monoglycerides against Helicobacter

pylori.

The bactericidal potencies of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids (FAs)

and monoglycerides (MGs) against Helicobacter pylori were determined

following short incubations with freshly harvested cells over a range of

pHs. FAs and their derivatives with an equivalent-carbon number of 12 were

the most potent: lauric acid had a minimum bactericidal concentration (MBC)

at pH 7.4 of 1 mM, myristoleic and linolenic acid were the most potent

unsaturated FAs (MBCs of 0.5 mM, pH 7.4), and monolaurin was the most potent

MG (MBC 0.5 mM). Potencies of saturated FAs were increased sharply by

lowering pH, and a decrease of only 0.5 pH units can cause a change from

non-lethal to lethal conditions. Conversely, the bactericidal action of

monolaurin was not pH-dependent. The bactericidal potencies of unsaturated

FAs increased with degree of unsaturation. When more than one FA or FA plus

MGs were present, their combined action was additive. Urea and endogenous

urease did not protect H. pylori from the b

January 14, 2006

I can't speak for everybody, of course, but I'm still interested in as much of

this as you'd care to share.

Those caps _are_ awfully big! If you take them with those horse caps the

magnesium comes in, you can forget about carrying a plastic pill case around

with you - a day's supply won't even fit in the largest one I could find. I

can't remember the number of them (I have words but not numbers lately), but I

sure do remember the size of them.

The ability to knock down h.pylori is fascinating to me, too. I remember that

subject coming up here before - though in the context of illnesses that were

once blamed on patients, I think. Anyone who lived through those years with

ulcers and all the harsh prescription meds, pain meds, and diet changes that

never quite worked, lectures on character defects, and the baleful looks from

emergency room physicians (annoyance? frustration? anyway, not too much happier

than me about it) would probably think this monolaurin/lauricidin was pretty

cool stuff.

So let me restate my enthusiasm in question form, which I probably should have

done in the first place. What I'm really wondering about most is the possibility

that it might at least knock down some of the gram-negative bacteria that is a

problem in relapse for people like us. The prospect of going through that again

and again is not too appealing, so I really do want to understand whether

lauricidin might be still useful to us for that or not.

And there's the not-so-distant recollection of just how fragile and vulnerable

a person can be when very sick from mold exposure. If lauricidin can act

protectively then could it be valuable to us? (Sounds like most of the jury's

still out on that, but I'm still interested in any thoughts on the subject.)

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

I'm delighted to see you've taken an interest in my current research Dr.

Schaller. Pubmed is my source also. I've done the same and my curiosity

has increased tremendously after some research and speaking with some

professionals who have used it in their clinics. Had the pleasure of

speaking with Dr. Jon Kabara who discovered Lauricidin over 40 years ago.

Serena

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January 14, 2006

>>>Serena.... So let me restate my enthusiasm in question form, which I

probably should have done in the first place. What I'm really wondering

about most is the possibility that it might at least knock down some of the

gram-negative bacteria that is a problem in relapse for people like us. The

prospect of going through that again and again is not too appealing, so I

really do want to understand whether lauricidin might be still useful to us

for that or not.

And there's the not-so-distant recollection of just how fragile and

vulnerable a person can be when very sick from mold exposure. If lauricidin

can act protectively then could it be valuable to us? (Sounds like most of

the jury's still out on that, but I'm still interested in any thoughts on

the subject.)>>>>

Hi Serena:

Monolaurin is part of a protocol, it's not in my humble opinion a cure for

all and I strongly believe will not cure mold related illness. We still

must take into consideration our food intake, our environment, our emotional

health, and overall constitution. Having said all that, and please know

that I'm not an M.D., have no commercial interest in monolaurin, I think it

could possibly be a viable product for some.

Again, dosage is major factor and I'm speaking of the lauricidin (the 100%

pure pellet form rather than the capsules) starting with a few pellets and

increasing to " as needed " to test for any possible sensitivity and minimize

possible Herz reaction. Addressing gram negative bacteria, bacterial/viral

infections and other infections we can continue to use antibacterials or

perhaps wiser we should research while using these agents why our bodies

cannot begin to fight these " critters " and learn how to recruit powerful

soldiers in our immune system and how to activate them. Similar to having a

leaky roof, every time it rains we can put down buckets and empty them but

at some point we have to look up and notice the roof leak and begin to

repair it. Same for our bodies.

This is only my opinion. I know sugar and simple carbs will put 1/3 of our

soldiers out of commission for some time; each time we eat a cookie, drink a

soft drink, cold cereals, even protein powders full of sugar (heart healthy

the label claims, fat free but loaded with sugar) or a rice cake (high in

glycemic index and those with mold illness with a problem with their sugar

balance, first hyperglycemic) we put our soldiers to sleep and allow the

enemy to attack and conquer. Our brains are starving for DHA derived from

fish oils; hate fish low in heavy metals then we have numerous fish oils on

the market and its up to use to research which one is best for us and

highest in DHA or go to some good websites for the data (Dr. Schaller has a

wealth of data on his website. Are we eating too many carbs, too many

mucous forming foods, foods that feed the unwanted " critters " , are we

addressing our digestive health, choosing our foods and eating for medicine

rather than pleasure? Are we concerned about leaky gut syndrome and

promoting a healthy and fertile gut so that the probiotics which we might

take will grow (as in a good, rich and fertile garden soil). Without we can

eat all the yogurt or ingest whatever probiotics the health food store sells

us and not get the expected results or are we chronically using agents to

" kill " the microbes in us and never addressing the " healthy bacteria " we so

need?

Serena our bodies are just like a building. For whatever reasons they can

become damaged, wet, moldy etc and if not remediated properly the damage

will continue. You've been teaching people about this. Apply the same to

our bodies; we need to remediate properly and then restore the interior.

Same for our bodies. Enough of my ramblings.

In answer to your question, here is a list (to be best of my knowledge) some

of the micro organism possibly inactivated by lauricidin for your

consideration if the monolaurin would be helpful and please also when you

have time read some of the free pubmed full articles and abstracts I

mentioned earlier. You had asked earlier if the monolaurin could be made

into a nasal spray; the monolaurin is not water soluble and would require

more lab equipment than I have and products to produce a nasal spray;

however I plan to experiment with making an ointment of the same. There

would be some nasal irritation (similar to soap in the eyes).

Rosie

Viruses

Measles (Rubeola) virus

HIV

Herpes simplex virus- (HSV-1 & 2)

Vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV)

Visna virus

Cytomegalovirus (CMV)

Influenza virus

Pnuemonovirus

Syncytial virus

Bacteria

Gram-positive organisms

Listeria monocytogene

Groups A,B,F & G streptococci

Staphylococcus aureus

Clostridium botulinum

Streptococcus agalactiae

Neisseria gonorrhea

Gram-negative organisms

Chlamydia trachomatis

Helicobacter pylorus

Salmonella typhimurium

Vibrio parahaemolyticus

Others if used concurrently with a chelator

Yeasts. Fungi and Molds

Aspergillus niger

Penicillium citrinum

Candida utilis and C. albicans

Saccharomyces cerevisiae

Several species of Ringworm

January 14, 2006

Mmm..wasn't me asking about nasal spray. But I could see why someone would,

since that's where the recurrent staph infections get us. I think I was probably

wondering more along the lines of whether consuming lauricidin would have an

effect on them because, they're otherwise treated with oral antibiotics. Even if

this could nothing more than maybe delay a relapse, that would still be a

valuable thing.

I'll read the articles, but it'll have to be later. We've got weather here,

and it's knocking me down a bit.

Researching is good. I'm all for it, as you know. But in the meantime, there's

just a huge number of us who need to all the help we can get right now. In ten

years maybe there'll be a cure or different treatment or whatever. Meanwhile,

we haven't time to hang around and wait, so we have to also look at possible

real-time tools. (I'm not knocking any of your ideas at all. I'm just thinking

in a different time frame right now.)

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

>>>Serena.... So let me restate my enthusiasm in question form, which I

probably should have done in the first place. What I'm really wondering

about most is the possibility that it might at least knock down some of the

gram-negative bacteria that is a problem in relapse for people like us. The

prospect of going through that again and again is not too appealing, so I

really do want to understand whether lauricidin might be still useful to us

for that or not.

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

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Hi Serena:

I cannot directly answer your question if the lauricidin would inhibit

bacteria as effectively as antibiotics. I included a list of stated

microorganism that are claimed to be inhibited but it is not a cure and only

part of the protocol.

Those that are desperate must change their diets, restrict the sugars, check

themselves if they can't afford any tests for food intolerances and

sensitivities, stop eating junk food, munching on chips or fast food---you

may not want to hear this but it's the truth. If you don't feed your body

correctly, if you don't help your body to digest and assimilate the foods

and give it the nutrients it needs then that body will never regain full

vitality. Many with mold illness are sensitive to fragrances, chemicals,

VOC and that's needs to be addressed and changes made even with very little

money. Our sugar levels will fluctuate causing more problems and we need to

control them through diet and avoidance of triggers. A pill isn't the whole

answer: we need to take responsibility and take action and it doesn't cost

much money to do some basics.

Dosage with the lauricidin is important as I've stated before. One starts

with a few pellets of the lauricidin to test for tolerance and to minimize

any possible Herz reactions (especially in small children and those who are

pregnant are advise not to use it unless under care of a trained physician).

Dosage can be increased I've heard up to 9 grams per day. Some with chronic

illnesses take the lauricidin continuously. I'm still not comfortable with

that.

I understand your urgency in wanting to find therapies other than

conventional prescribed by Dr. Shoemaker and other physicians. However we

are still responsible for our own health and our decisions and we don't want

to just take something in desperation without understanding the product.

I've seen too many people do with regret later or spend whatever they have

with no positive results. And as stated above, we can make some basic,

inexpensive or cost free changes that will help our bodies which we must do.

Do you understand the Herz reactions? What if you or someone took a product

and had aggressive worsening of all your symptoms and more than you've ever

experienced making you unable to function? That's one reason the lauricidin

is not sold in health foods stores; for an ill person, with low vitality a

Herz reaction will add more stress to the body and further compromise that

individual. Or a loving parent wanting to help the ill child, gives the

child a dose and soon the child is screaming in pain? Then what? It's not

wise nor necessary. Yes, I'm cautious. I research, I ask and will not take

anything or recommend a product until I'm comfortable with the knowledge I

have about the product and am willing to try it in small amount.

Yes there are many in desperate physical distress needful of assistance but

we cannot and must not add any further stress on their bodies and it's

imperative we know what we are taking unless an experience and trained

physician prescribes therapies. I'm sure some of these trained physicians

would warn us also what is appropriate for a " normal " individual is not

beneficial for someone with severe illness.

I hope you understand and know I do care, I am concerned for all of us, my

heart aches for those who are today where I was 4 years ago but I will not

compromise my convictions to give them some help today. We are not

prisoners in a Nazi camp where they can " experiment " on us. I have too much

respect for all human beings.

Rosie

RE: [] Monolaurin-PUB MED

Mmm..wasn't me asking about nasal spray. But I could see why someone would,

since that's where the recurrent staph infections get us. I think I was

probably wondering more along the lines of whether consuming lauricidin

would have an effect on them because, they're otherwise treated with oral

antibiotics. Even if this could nothing more than maybe delay a relapse,

that would still be a valuable thing.

I'll read the articles, but it'll have to be later. We've got weather

here, and it's knocking me down a bit.

Researching is good. I'm all for it, as you know. But in the meantime,

there's just a huge number of us who need to all the help we can get right

now. In ten years maybe there'll be a cure or different treatment or

whatever. Meanwhile, we haven't time to hang around and wait, so we have to

also look at possible real-time tools. (I'm not knocking any of your ideas

at all. I'm just thinking in a different time frame right now.)

January 14, 2006

Yes Rosie, I do get what you're saying. However,

" I understand your urgency in wanting to find therapies other than

conventional prescribed by Dr. Shoemaker and other physicians. "

No, that's definitely not where I was going with it. Dr. Shoemaker is my

doctor, and I'm not looking to side-step his protocol. I'm thinking about this

more in the light of a possible adjunct to what he does, that's all. If I wasn't

very, very confident in him, I'd fire him without a backwards glance. I clearly

haven't done that and have no intentions of doing so in the future.

And yes, I understand the herx as well as anybody who's been through it a few

times. I've _never_ advocated anyone going through that, for any reason. In

fact, I'm usually the first one to jump up and down about those who proclaim

that herxing is " good - that means it working " . (Which is a whole other

discussion of its own, really, so I'll leave it for now.)

I'm intrigued by the notion that certain microbes do not become

lauricidin-resistant, particularly since we're dealing specifically with

antibiotic-resistant, recurring staph infections. I want to know more about

that. My reasons aren't just specifically based on avoiding taking antibiotics.

Think about it like cockroaches - another organism that loves damp buildings. We

have poisons that kill cockroaches. Unfortunately, the poisons are also toxic to

humans and other living things. And the cockroaches develop resistance, so you

have to change the poisons you use again and again. The roaches die more, but

the humans are exposed to more and more poisons, too. If you have a relatively

benign cockroach killer that maybe doesn't kill all the cockroaches, but gives

you a way to use less poisons less often, would you throw up your hands and walk

away from it without giving it a serious look? I don't think you would. In the

case of cockroaches, boric acid performs that function, it's just

hard to deliver it to where the cockroaches actually live, so it's mostly

useful for setting up a perimeter and keeping them away from your living space.

I'm wondering if lauricidin might not perform a similar function for humans

against staph (as well as a few other bugs that aren't so good for us). Maybe it

works for that, and maybe not. It's still a good question.

I think we've maybe gotten off track here. I do have some excitement about the

possibilities of this medicine. I'm interested in exploring the idea further to

see if there's something to it. But I have zero interest in promoting the idea

of gobbling down random supplements and OTC's just because something can be

bought over the internet. Especially not when most people (all uf us, actually,

including Shoemaker and the other physicians) are still struggling to fully

understand the nature of the illness in the first place. I'm wth you on that. If

it'll make you happy, I can go back and delete my first terribly stated post on

the subject as a pennance. I know there's no silver bullet. You know there's no

silver bullet. I don't want to mislead anyone about that, and was surprised to

hear so many cautions regarding lauricidin. But I also don't want to close the

door on this idea just because there may be some possible negatives and cautions

involved with it. Everything we're using right

now comes with possible negative reactions and cautions, so that alone is not a

valid qualifier for exploring. What we've got, as of now, is still a big fat

question mark. I'm willing to call it that and keep looking at it, if only

because sometimes looking at a possible answer can cause us to refine the

question. Which is sort of what's happening here.

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

Hi Serena:

I cannot directly answer your question if the lauricidin would inhibit

bacteria as effectively as antibiotics.

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

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Serena --smiles --I have a totally non-toxic roach killer. Guaranteed to

work every time and not harm a human or pet.

Here's the recipe: one plastic spray bottle any size you want, I use a 32

ounce one to kill ants also and anything that is creepy, crawly and

unwanted. I use a non-toxic, fragrance free dishwashing detergent--safe for

me, fill bottle 2/3 with water, rest with my detergent. When I see a roach

I spray it. Soon it's dead!

Rosie

On Behalf Of SERENA EDWARDS

antibiotics. Think about it like cockroaches - another organism that loves

damp buildings. We have poisons that kill cockroaches. Unfortunately, the

poisons are also toxic to humans and other living things. And the

cockroaches develop resistance, so you have to change the poisons you use

again and again. The roaches die more, but the humans are exposed to more

and more poisons, too. If you have a relatively benign cockroach killer that

maybe doesn't kill all the cockroaches, but gives you a way to use less

poisons less often, would you throw up your hands and walk away from it

without giving it a serious look? I don't think you would. In the case of

cockroaches, boric acid performs that function, it's just

January 14, 2006

Sounds like a good one! Boric acid sprinkled around the baseboards will

dessicate them. Not quite as good for instant gratification, but it works. For a

single place, anyway. None of that really works very well in multi-family

dwellings, though. Those places can get so bad that the smaller solutions

haven't got a prayer of working. Pest control guys will go in with two sets of

clothing on, so they can peel off the outer set the second they get outside.

I wonder why no one ever seems to state that the appearance of palmetto bugs

and roaches is a pretty darned good indication that you've also got a dampness

problem in a building?

(And yeah - I got the non-toxic thing. I salute you! ; )