Fwd: More Boyd Haley On EDTA & Mercury

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In a message dated 03/06/2005 13:52:14 GMT Daylight Time, CK2Mail writes:

In abmd , "andre34342000" wrote:> > I just had a discussion with Boyd Haley about this. The above > > sentence was taken out of context. In fact, what he said was that > EDTA when combined with mercury outside the body and then ingested is > > 100 times more toxic than mercury alone. EDTA used as a chelator > in > > a mercury toxic person has a different effect. I asked him in the > > context of my son who has tested high in aluminum and mercury and > his > > answer follows (posted with his permission) in it's entirety > below. > > Please read it carefully to understand the issue properly. > > > > His response:> > > > Andre: It would take a long time to explain the chemical > complexity > > of what I am going to say but I will try to keep it simple and > > straight forward. But the bottom line is you should continue to > use > > the EDTA to remove the other heavy metals as they exacerbate the > > toxicity of mercury currently existing in your child's body more > than > > anything else---it is important to get them out before the mercury > > will be extractable. The synergistic toxicity of mercury plus other > > heavy metals is more damaging than the small amount of mercury-EDTA > > that could be formed using EDTA as your doctor recommended. I > would > > guess he is using the TD-DMPS to lower the blood mercury levels to > > decrease any negative effect the EDTA may have. > > > > > > > > The mercury-EDTA complex is more toxic than mercury alone, but in > > this context it is the mercury-EDTA complex outside the body that > one > > is about to ingest. Once mercury is in the body it binds to > proteins > > so tightly that the presence of EDTA has no affect on it and vice-versa. That is, very little to no mercury-EDTA will be formed in the body by EDTA chelation of a mercury toxic individual. Especially since the EDTA will be loaded by other metals that are more easily accessible from the cells. > > Boyd E. Haley> > Professor> > Department of Chemistry> > University of Kentucky

In abmd , "andre34342000" wrote:> > I just had a discussion with Boyd Haley about this. The above > > sentence was taken out of context. In fact, what he said was that > EDTA when combined with mercury outside the body and then ingested is > > 100 times more toxic than mercury alone. EDTA used as a chelator > in > > a mercury toxic person has a different effect. I asked him in the > > context of my son who has tested high in aluminum and mercury and > his > > answer follows (posted with his permission) in it's entirety > below. > > Please read it carefully to understand the issue properly. > > > > His response:> > > > Andre: It would take a long time to explain the chemical > complexity > > of what I am going to say but I will try to keep it simple and > > straight forward. But the bottom line is you should continue to > use > > the EDTA to remove the other heavy metals as they exacerbate the > > toxicity of mercury currently existing in your child's body more > than > > anything else---it is important to get them out before the mercury > > will be extractable. The synergistic toxicity of mercury plus other > > heavy metals is more damaging than the small amount of mercury-EDTA > > that could be formed using EDTA as your doctor recommended. I > would > > guess he is using the TD-DMPS to lower the blood mercury levels to > > decrease any negative effect the EDTA may have. > > > > > > > > The mercury-EDTA complex is more toxic than mercury alone, but in > > this context it is the mercury-EDTA complex outside the body that > one > > is about to ingest. Once mercury is in the body it binds to > proteins > > so tightly that the presence of EDTA has no affect on it and vice-versa. That is, very little to no mercury-EDTA will be formed in the body by EDTA chelation of a mercury toxic individual. Especially since the EDTA will be loaded by other metals that are more easily accessible from the cells. > > Boyd E. Haley> > Professor> > Department of Chemistry> > University of Kentucky

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Thanks for this - very interesting! Have heard that Buttar and others use TD EDTA alongside TD DMPS after a six month stint on the TD DMPS alone, and upon seeing other metals. I guess this sort of fits with what Boyd Haley is saying, although he seems to be suggesting just go ahead and do them both together from the start ... or am I misunderstanding?

>>>he was aksed these questions in response to him being quotyed as saying ETDa makes Mercury toxicity "100 times worse" which is what they are referring to being taken out of context. Many DAN's are using EDTA now, some IV, soem oral, some "Homeopathic" and suppositories as well. Apparently Buttar has developed a TD form.

We are now doing Oral EDTA (8 hourly) alternate weekends, ALA (2 hourly) on the other, TD DMPS Every other day. Its working well. Its was after the second lot of EDTA that Sam started the signing. I feel happier that we are addressing some Lead now and I view the ALA as more of a boost/antioxidant/gfood stuff pill that just happens to chelate.

Are you still using Authia/Autistique on Sam? I saw from the DAN presentations that TTFD can increase Aluminium excretion off the charts - Al has always been high for . Did you notice any Al in Sam's toxicity tests?

>>>I only used it for a few applications, Sam got mega stimmy and then had a plae poop so I dumped it. Aluminium is lower now than ever before for Sam, Andy Cutler always sasy when the Mercury tsrat coming out the Aluminium will go with it. I hoep so, seems that way

Mandi x

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Mandi,

Thanks for this - very interesting! Have heard that Buttar and others use TD EDTA alongside TD DMPS after a six month stint on the TD DMPS alone, and upon seeing other metals. I guess this sort of fits with what Boyd Haley is saying, although he seems to be suggesting just go ahead and do them both together from the start ... or am I misunderstanding?

Are you still using Authia/Autistique on Sam? I saw from the DAN presentations that TTFD can increase Aluminium excretion off the charts - Al has always been high for . Did you notice any Al in Sam's toxicity tests?

Mikael

Fwd: More Boyd Haley On EDTA & Mercury

In a message dated 03/06/2005 13:52:14 GMT Daylight Time, CK2Mail writes:

In abmd , "andre34342000" wrote:> > I just had a discussion with Boyd Haley about this. The above > > sentence was taken out of context. In fact, what he said was that > EDTA when combined with mercury outside the body and then ingested is > > 100 times more toxic than mercury alone. EDTA used as a chelator > in > > a mercury toxic person has a different effect. I asked him in the > > context of my son who has tested high in aluminum and mercury and > his > > answer follows (posted with his permission) in it's entirety > below. > > Please read it carefully to understand the issue properly. > > > > His response:> > > > Andre: It would take a long time to explain the chemical > complexity > > of what I am going to say but I will try to keep it simple and > > straight forward. But the bottom line is you should continue to > use > > the EDTA to remove the other heavy metals as they exacerbate the > > toxicity of mercury currently existing in your child's body more > than > > anything else---it is important to get them out before the mercury > > will be extractable. The synergistic toxicity of mercury plus other > > heavy metals is more damaging than the small amount of mercury-EDTA > > that could be formed using EDTA as your doctor recommended. I > would > > guess he is using the TD-DMPS to lower the blood mercury levels to > > decrease any negative effect the EDTA may have. > > > > > > > > The mercury-EDTA complex is more toxic than mercury alone, but in > > this context it is the mercury-EDTA complex outside the body that > one > > is about to ingest. Once mercury is in the body it binds to > proteins > > so tightly that the presence of EDTA has no affect on it and vice-versa. That is, very little to no mercury-EDTA will be formed in the body by EDTA chelation of a mercury toxic individual. Especially since the EDTA will be loaded by other metals that are more easily accessible from the cells. > > Boyd E. Haley> > Professor> > Department of Chemistry> > University of Kentucky