Re: Dr Croft/Iris multi-level criticism

[Guest guest]

Good points..

Actually, i often use a multi-level marketing paradigm when thinking

about America's business system.. Its designed to reward those who

'got in on the ground floor' by taking its profit from those just

getting in to the system. (and those in other lands, as well, but I

don't think its confined to any nation anymore, its international, and

its goal is to blanket the world)

It has to keep growing, or it dies (Because its not sustainable

otherwise - without asking some people to accept taking a smaller

slice of the pie.)

[Guest guest]

Right on, Dr Schaller! Like with everything else, there are no

absolutes. Everything has its pluses and minuses.

The problem with Multi Level Marketing (MLM) isn't the structure so

much - all marketing is multilevel to some extent. - it's the True

Believers that tend to dominate many of them. They believe and so

should we, and some are very skillful at convincing us we should

forego our own judgement and just obey them. But, as we have seen

here, not all True Believers are involved in MLM.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> His daughter signing up people on a multi-level product for over

> $350/month, which she receives probably about $100, doesn't sound

> professional. ********************** Professional?

>

> This means millions of folks who are involved in this type of selling

> are acting wrong.

>

> Or only alternative practitioners?

>

> And their relatives?

>

> How is that different than the reasonable and accepted 30-100% mark up

> in every store in America?

>

> I have no investment in any of these products, but would not disparage

> any one who wanted to make a living off a good product.

>

> It is too easy when ill to get into a critical mode of speaking ill of

> people for trying to make a living. Or to criticize those who do not

> work the way we want them to--they annoy because we do not get a fast

> and easy cure, and we have to reach into our very limited pocketbook.

>

> Accepting tough reality is knowing we cannot have all we want in the

> manner we want.

>

> If the product is good, I hope she makes enough to pay the rent. At

> 100.00 profit this is not worth mentioning.

>

>

>

>

>

> [] Dr Croft/Iris

>

>

> I was in sales all of my career and there are things that can just

> not " seem " right. Dr Croft is one of them. Ithought he was a

> pathologist therefore looking at ankle tissue would be right up his

> alley. His daughter signing up people on a multi-level product for

> over $350/month, which she receives probably about $100, doesn't

> sound professional.

> HOWEVER, sometimes thing are not what they seem.

>

> Iris has sent her tissue in and I am interested in what he finds.

> I know one of the products he suggested to her is to kill yeast

> and repopulate her stomach and intestines. This is good but the

> product comes from Austrailia and I have not heard of it.

>

> I hope for Iris sake that he is for real and can help her.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

jschaller <jschaller@...> wrote: I have no investment in any of

these products, but would not disparage any one who wanted to make a living off

a good product.

It is too easy when ill to get into a critical mode of speaking ill of people

for trying to make a living

I did not make that remark because I felt ill. Where did you get that thought.

I believe there is a lot of difference in people who are in a position of making

medical suggestions to buy a product which his daughter sells that your next

door neighbor trying to sell you something. That is why I say it is not

professional. If you disagree that is your opinion.

There are a few good products sold by multi-level marketing but I have never

known a health professional to do it but there is always a first. Please

remember that I said that I hope Dr Kroft is for real for Iris's sake. I just

brought up what I feel is a fact that it is unprofessional for in a health care

position and his duaghter is assisting him, to sign them up for Mannatech. In

fact, I believe him only being a PhD and doing so might even be against the law.

Why did you think I was ill when I made the comment? I didn't think it was

worded in a hateful way.

Bob

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[Guest guest]

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Right on, Dr Schaller! Like

with everything else, there are no

absolutes. Everything has its pluses and minuses.

Bob wrote: Carl, did I miss something in Dr Schaller post about

cholestryamine? He isn't selling anything multi-level and giving us medical

advice to buy $389 of Mannatech from his daughter. Am I the only one who see the

difference? I thought health care workers have ethical codes? BTW, mr ill

patient, you need to buy $389 of this from my daughter and you also need to buy

$464 of this new stuff just out which neutralizes mold and while you are at it,

you need to take ammonia baths.

Please have Mr Kroft, PhD on here and maybe I can ask about some of his

practices. How does a PhD analyse ankle tissue and a fee and give medical advice

concerning his prognosis?

Quack, even you came out against his ammonia bath didn't you...lol

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Bob,

> There are a few good products sold by multi-level marketing but I

> have never known a health professional to do it but there is always

> a first.

I've know lots of health professionals including MDs that sell

nutritional and other products that are MLMs. (They are a major

referal sources for ozone devices). Some of the MLMs are less a

pyramid than others but MLM just the same. They can be a lot like the

misuse of allergy shots for them - another revenue stream. Again, if

they work, that's fantastic! 99% of the nutritional products sold in

reputable stores make me ill and/or dysfunctional so I can't say they

are any better.

Again, my objection isn't the sales structure as much as it is the

True Believers phenomena.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

I know that the cancer clinic in northern NV uses ambrotose. Dr. Brodie

was a very well know alt med MD regarding cancer. Thats how I was

introduced to it by someone who works for him for someone I know who was

diagnosised with colon cancer. They use it to support the immune sytem,

and it's pricey as hell.

MLM I don't know it came from a practitioners office so I am *assuming*

that they are not trying to recuirt. But MLM companies are as someone

nailed it on the head..,nothing more than a pyraid scheme.

Why does everyone try to profit or put a price on nature? *sigh*

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, jschaller wrote:

> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:52:54 -0500

> From: jschaller <jschaller@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Dr Croft/Iris multi-level criticism

>

> His daughter signing up people on a multi-level product for over $350/month,

which she receives probably about $100, doesn't sound professional.

> **********************

> Professional?

>

> This means millions of folks who are involved in this type of selling are

acting wrong.

>

> Or only alternative practitioners?

>

> And their relatives?

>

> How is that different than the reasonable and accepted 30-100% mark up in

every store in America?

>

> I have no investment in any of these products, but would not disparage any one

who wanted to make a living off a good product.

>

> It is too easy when ill to get into a critical mode of speaking ill of people

for trying to make a living. Or to criticize those who do not work the way we

want them to--they annoy because we do not get a fast and easy cure, and we have

to reach into our very limited pocketbook.

>

> Accepting tough reality is knowing we cannot have all we want in the manner we

want.

>

> If the product is good, I hope she makes enough to pay the rent. At 100.00

profit this is not worth mentioning.

>

>

>

>

>

> [] Dr Croft/Iris

>

>

> I was in sales all of my career and there are things that can just not " seem "

right. Dr Croft is one of them. Ithought he was a pathologist therefore looking

at ankle tissue would be right up his alley. His daughter signing up people on a

multi-level product for over $350/month, which she receives probably about $100,

doesn't sound professional.

> HOWEVER, sometimes thing are not what they seem.

>

> Iris has sent her tissue in and I am interested in what he finds. I know

one of the products he suggested to her is to kill yeast and repopulate her

stomach and intestines. This is good but the product comes from Austrailia and I

have not heard of it.

>

> I hope for Iris sake that he is for real and can help her.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Photos

> Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands

ASAP.

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