Re: L Ron Hubbard's Purification program

[Guest guest]

I bought this book too. One sauna exhausts me at the gym because I am so sick.

You don't have to do the program so intense though either. It does sound good &

a great way to detox. Loni

Bob <blue74730@...> wrote: I became interested in his Purification

program a year ago. I researched it over the web and ended calling one of his

churches in Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology.

His purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot of

member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his brillant mind

to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it was just running for 30

minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I bought his book today, " Clear

body, Clear Mind " . It is much more complicated and if he is correct on

vitamin/mineral use, that is much more complicated that any of us know!! I

realize that running for 30 minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks

when needed and cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who

knows once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the energy

to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k or $5k. I

thought that was very high until I read

his book about what it entails.

Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who has? I

beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who administers it.

Bob

PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate. A person

does not have to join his church to go through the purification. After reading

his book and how detailed taking the right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I

don't think I would consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in

their fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

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[Guest guest]

My dentist says he has done this program on his own and was extremely happy with

the results. I can't do the running and sweating. And the dentist doesn't quite

understand about mold yet. He's open to it, and learning about it, but wouldn't

have understood why I can't really do that program. I knew another guy who did

it years ago - he was an alcoholic and a full time pothead. Those results were

also excellent.

Question - how the heck would you expect get away with doing the runs with

CFS?

Bob <blue74730@...> wrote:

I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I researched it

over the web and ended calling one of his churches in Dallas. Most know he is

the founder of the Church of Scientology. His purification program is not about

his church though. He had a lot of member's of his church who were addicted to

drugs and he used his brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first

thought it was just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until

I bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more complicated

and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much more complicated that

any of us know!! I realize that running for 30 minutes and doing sauna that

long, you take breaks when needed and cool showers, does not sound like a way I

could detox but who knows once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies "

could have the energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was

$3k or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

his book about what it entails.

Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who has? I

beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who administers it.

Bob

PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate. A person

does not have to join his church to go through the purification. After reading

his book and how detailed taking the right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I

don't think I would consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in

their fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

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[Guest guest]

Yes I think for me with shot adrenals the running would be hard. Maybe a brisk

walk in the summer when it is really hot & then go into the sauna. Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: My dentist says he has done this

program on his own and was extremely happy with the results. I can't do the

running and sweating. And the dentist doesn't quite understand about mold yet.

He's open to it, and learning about it, but wouldn't have understood why I can't

really do that program. I knew another guy who did it years ago - he was an

alcoholic and a full time pothead. Those results were also excellent.

Question - how the heck would you expect get away with doing the runs with

CFS?

Bob <blue74730@...> wrote:

I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I researched it

over the web and ended calling one of his churches in Dallas. Most know he is

the founder of the Church of Scientology. His purification program is not about

his church though. He had a lot of member's of his church who were addicted to

drugs and he used his brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first

thought it was just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until

I bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more complicated

and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much more complicated that

any of us know!! I realize that running for 30 minutes and doing sauna that

long, you take breaks when needed and cool showers, does not sound like a way I

could detox but who knows once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies "

could have the energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was

$3k or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

his book about what it entails.

Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who has? I

beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who administers it.

Bob

PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate. A person

does not have to join his church to go through the purification. After reading

his book and how detailed taking the right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I

don't think I would consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in

their fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

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Bob,

I went through a medical program in 1986 based on Purification. It

was in Los Angeles and called HealthMed. The medical doctor, the

administrator and all the staff were Scientologists but they never

mentioned or proselytized.

The medical protocol was for 6 hours a day, 7 days a week for as long

as it took. I went 33 straight days and cost about $5000. This was

one of three primary treatements that got me back to healing rather

than getting sicker.

One man had chlordane poisoning and couldn't run for 30 minutes. He

could only walk 4 minutes. He was incredibly ill when he entered and

got worse as the treatment progressed - because it forces the stored

toxins back into the bloodstream for elimination through sweat, urine

and bowel, most sweat. While in the bloodstream you are being exposed

just as you were originally, except this time it's all at once! One

woman who had a lifelong drug addiction experienced them as a

flashback all at the one time. The chlordane victim started a week

after I did and was outrunning me by the time I left.

As you noted, it isn't full time in the sauna. We were limited to 20

minutes at a time. We had to weigh ourselves each cycle and drink

water to maintain body weight. We also had to take our pulse and

could not go back in until it had reduced to our resting rate. There

were other controls such as minimal vitamin and mineral

supplementation.

They also wanted us to also monitor our emotions and attitude because

they felt the toxins affected them. They also believed that some of

the emotions were physiologically connected to past toxin trauma.

They also emphasized that getting sicker was to be celebrated! Rather

counter-intuitive and uncaring, don't you think? However, they

explained that this meant the toxins were being released and we would

be better afterwards. I have to agree with that and think this is an

important missing concept. It is also why monitoring by experienced

practitioners is a MUST.

Dr Bill Rae surveyed the LA HealthMed clinic the week after I left

and he decided to modify it to his own ends rather than purchase a

license from HealthMed. He still uses it at his Dallas clinic.

The LA Times has an article from June 1990 (Part 4 of 6) at:

http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-4a3.htm

It gives an excellent summation of the people and the issues

including our old friend Gotts. I was there in 1986 just before the

events of the story began.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

> researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

> Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology. His

> purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot of

> member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his

> brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it was

> just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I

> bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more

> complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much

> more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that running for 30

> minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks when needed and

> cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who knows

> once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the

> energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k or

> $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> his book about what it entails.

>

> Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who

> has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who

> administers it.

>

> Bob

>

> PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate.

> A person does not have to join his church to go through the

> purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking the

> right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

> consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their

> fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the

> program would also detox us.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sherry ' recent book " Detoxify or Die " refers to Hubbard's

Purification program. She advocates far infrared saunas, however,

rather than conventional saunas. She also goes into great detail

about the supplements she recommends. If you're reading " Clear

Body... " you may want to get her book too, as it seems to be similar,

but kind of a new and improved version. Hubbard's people seem to

worship his every word, so they may be stuck to a program that is now

decades old and doesn't incorporate new advancements in detox

practices being developed by people like Sherry or Dr. Rea in

that environmental clinic in Texas.

For $3K you can get your own FIR sauna, and use it at home for the

rest of your life. My guess is the Hubbard program is great for drug

addicts, but may be not be appropiate for PWCs whose mitochondria are

barely functioning. Assuming that the MD's knowledgable about the

Purification program are going to be knowledgeable about CFS/FM may

be a stretch--look at what the people on this forum go through with

doctors who are supposed to be experts in CFS/FM.

Also, is it really the case that " His Purification program and his

church are completely separate " ? My impression was that the

purification program was about cleansing the body so that it could

receive spiritual guidance, which would presumably come from the

church the same guy founded.

I looked for some forums on line about the Purif. Program and didn't

find any--seems to be kind of " secret " ...

>

> I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology. His

purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot of

member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his

brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it was

just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I

bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more

complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much

more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that running for 30

minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks when needed and

cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who knows

once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the

energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k

or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> his book about what it entails.

>

> Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone

who has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program

who administers it.

>

> Bob

>

> PS His Purification program and his church are completely

seperate. A person does not have to join his church to go through the

purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking the

right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their fat

tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Boy, Ron Gots really gets around, doesn't he? Is there anything left that guy

hasn't declared himself to be an expert on for the right amount of cash?

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Bob,

I went through a medical program in 1986 based on Purification. It

Serena

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...Ayn Rand,

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Rhater than running, just do some exercises in the bathroom where you have

sealed yourself off, if you do nto have an enclosed shower etc.

Even turing on a protable heater with the shower running for moisture just

do some leg lifts, lunges, sit ups whatever you are comfortable with to

start increasing your heartrate.

Make sure you have enough water to prevent dehydration.

I have done wet, dry and bath detoxes. I prefer the bath detoxes as I can

literally soak in the tub for a while. I bring my portble dvd player in

with me and watch a movie while soaking in the salts.

YMMV

Angel

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Loni Rosser wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:42:06 -0800 (PST)

> From: Loni Rosser <loni326@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] L Ron Hubbard's Purification program

>

> Yes I think for me with shot adrenals the running would be hard. Maybe a brisk

walk in the summer when it is really hot & then go into the sauna. Loni

>

> SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: My dentist says he has done this

program on his own and was extremely happy with the results. I can't do the

running and sweating. And the dentist doesn't quite understand about mold yet.

He's open to it, and learning about it, but wouldn't have understood why I can't

really do that program. I knew another guy who did it years ago - he was an

alcoholic and a full time pothead. Those results were also excellent.

>

> Question - how the heck would you expect get away with doing the runs with

CFS?

>

> Bob <blue74730@...> wrote:

> I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I researched it

over the web and ended calling one of his churches in Dallas. Most know he is

the founder of the Church of Scientology. His purification program is not about

his church though. He had a lot of member's of his church who were addicted to

drugs and he used his brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first

thought it was just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until

I bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more complicated

and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much more complicated that

any of us know!! I realize that running for 30 minutes and doing sauna that

long, you take breaks when needed and cool showers, does not sound like a way I

could detox but who knows once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies "

could have the energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was

$3k or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> his book about what it entails.

>

> Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who has? I

beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who administers it.

>

> Bob

>

> PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate. A person

does not have to join his church to go through the purification. After reading

his book and how detailed taking the right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I

don't think I would consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in

their fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

my friend who has toxic mold poisoning bought a steam sauna & did this program

under a doc supervision & said it saved her life. I wonder about steam though

with mold? She said she loves it. Loni

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Bob,

I went through a medical program in 1986 based on Purification. It

was in Los Angeles and called HealthMed. The medical doctor, the

administrator and all the staff were Scientologists but they never

mentioned or proselytized.

The medical protocol was for 6 hours a day, 7 days a week for as long

as it took. I went 33 straight days and cost about $5000. This was

one of three primary treatements that got me back to healing rather

than getting sicker.

One man had chlordane poisoning and couldn't run for 30 minutes. He

could only walk 4 minutes. He was incredibly ill when he entered and

got worse as the treatment progressed - because it forces the stored

toxins back into the bloodstream for elimination through sweat, urine

and bowel, most sweat. While in the bloodstream you are being exposed

just as you were originally, except this time it's all at once! One

woman who had a lifelong drug addiction experienced them as a

flashback all at the one time. The chlordane victim started a week

after I did and was outrunning me by the time I left.

As you noted, it isn't full time in the sauna. We were limited to 20

minutes at a time. We had to weigh ourselves each cycle and drink

water to maintain body weight. We also had to take our pulse and

could not go back in until it had reduced to our resting rate. There

were other controls such as minimal vitamin and mineral

supplementation.

They also wanted us to also monitor our emotions and attitude because

they felt the toxins affected them. They also believed that some of

the emotions were physiologically connected to past toxin trauma.

They also emphasized that getting sicker was to be celebrated! Rather

counter-intuitive and uncaring, don't you think? However, they

explained that this meant the toxins were being released and we would

be better afterwards. I have to agree with that and think this is an

important missing concept. It is also why monitoring by experienced

practitioners is a MUST.

Dr Bill Rae surveyed the LA HealthMed clinic the week after I left

and he decided to modify it to his own ends rather than purchase a

license from HealthMed. He still uses it at his Dallas clinic.

The LA Times has an article from June 1990 (Part 4 of 6) at:

http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-4a3.htm

It gives an excellent summation of the people and the issues

including our old friend Gotts. I was there in 1986 just before the

events of the story began.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

> researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

> Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology. His

> purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot of

> member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his

> brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it was

> just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I

> bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more

> complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much

> more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that running for 30

> minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks when needed and

> cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who knows

> once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the

> energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k or

> $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> his book about what it entails.

>

> Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone who

> has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program who

> administers it.

>

> Bob

>

> PS His Purification program and his church are completely seperate.

> A person does not have to join his church to go through the

> purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking the

> right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

> consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their

> fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the

> program would also detox us.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> hands ASAP.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bob, I bought " Clear Body, Clear Mind " many years ago and tried to

follow its suggestions. Unfortunately, I could not afford a sauna,

and I could not do the exercise either, so I gave up. I am afraid to

buy a sauna because I probably could not tolerate the heat. I get a

very rapid pulse and weakness after taking a bath. I believe that

his program would work if one was well enough to do it. I hope that

after I improve my methylation and sulfation (DAN protocol), I can

use transdermal DMSA, do saunas and exercise.

Vickie

>

> I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology. His

purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot of

member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his

brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it was

just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I

bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more

complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is much

more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that running for 30

minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks when needed and

cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who knows

once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the

energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k

or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> his book about what it entails.

>

> Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone

who has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the program

who administers it.

>

> Bob

>

> PS His Purification program and his church are completely

seperate. A person does not have to join his church to go through the

purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking the

right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their fat

tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

would also detox us.

[Guest guest]

Loni,

Steam, dry or infrared sauna, the key is to heat the body to moblize

the fat cells. That the is what releases the fat soluable chemicals

stored there. The dry sauna I used was 140-145 degrees to encourage

sweating, not 175 or 180 like the health clubs promote, that can

actually stress the body and inhibit profuse sweating.

If your concern for steam is the moisture, the steam sauna should

have hard surfaces anyway, that are easily wiped dry after use. If it

doesn't stay wet for a couple of days, it won't grow more mold. If it

is wiped, any ubiquitous spores will be removed.

Also, just in case anyone wonders, I would not encourage the use of

Tilex or any antimicrobials in a confined space where you are

spending lots of time to detoxify. The purpose is to detoxify, not

toxify, to eliminate the original sources not replace them with new

ones.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> my friend who has toxic mold poisoning bought a steam sauna & did this

> program under a doc supervision & said it saved her life. I wonder

> about steam though with mold? She said she loves it. Loni

>

> " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Bob,

>

> I went through a medical program in 1986 based on Purification. It was

> in Los Angeles and called HealthMed. The medical doctor, the

> administrator and all the staff were Scientologists but they never

> mentioned or proselytized.

>

> The medical protocol was for 6 hours a day, 7 days a week for as long

> as it took. I went 33 straight days and cost about $5000. This was one

> of three primary treatements that got me back to healing rather than

> getting sicker.

>

> One man had chlordane poisoning and couldn't run for 30 minutes. He

> could only walk 4 minutes. He was incredibly ill when he entered and

> got worse as the treatment progressed - because it forces the stored

> toxins back into the bloodstream for elimination through sweat, urine

> and bowel, most sweat. While in the bloodstream you are being exposed

> just as you were originally, except this time it's all at once! One

> woman who had a lifelong drug addiction experienced them as a

> flashback all at the one time. The chlordane victim started a week

> after I did and was outrunning me by the time I left.

>

> As you noted, it isn't full time in the sauna. We were limited to 20

> minutes at a time. We had to weigh ourselves each cycle and drink

> water to maintain body weight. We also had to take our pulse and could

> not go back in until it had reduced to our resting rate. There were

> other controls such as minimal vitamin and mineral supplementation.

>

> They also wanted us to also monitor our emotions and attitude because

> they felt the toxins affected them. They also believed that some of

> the emotions were physiologically connected to past toxin trauma.

>

> They also emphasized that getting sicker was to be celebrated! Rather

> counter-intuitive and uncaring, don't you think? However, they

> explained that this meant the toxins were being released and we would

> be better afterwards. I have to agree with that and think this is an

> important missing concept. It is also why monitoring by experienced

> practitioners is a MUST.

>

> Dr Bill Rae surveyed the LA HealthMed clinic the week after I left and

> he decided to modify it to his own ends rather than purchase a license

> from HealthMed. He still uses it at his Dallas clinic.

>

> The LA Times has an article from June 1990 (Part 4 of 6) at:

> http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-4a3.htm

>

> It gives an excellent summation of the people and the issues

> including our old friend Gotts. I was there in 1986 just before the

> events of the story began.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

> > researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

> > Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology.

> > His purification program is not about his church though. He had a

> > lot of member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used

> > his brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought

> > it was just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna

> > until I bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much

> > more complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that

> > is much more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that

> > running for 30 minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks

> > when needed and cool showers, does not sound like a way I could

> > detox but who knows once you start his complete program. Maybe

> > " moldies " could have the energy to go through this. It was

> > expensive. I forgot if it was $3k or $5k. I thought that was very

> > high until I read

> > his book about what it entails.

> >

> > Has anyone gone through his purification program or know someone

> > who has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the

> > program who administers it.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > PS His Purification program and his church are completely

> > seperate. A person does not have to join his church to go through

> > the purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking

> > the right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

> > consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their

> > fat tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the

> > program would also detox us.

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Photos

> > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your

> > hands ASAP.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@h...>

wrote:

>

> Bob,

> One man had chlordane poisoning and couldn't run for 30 minutes. He

> could only walk 4 minutes. He was incredibly ill when he entered and

> got worse as the treatment progressed - because it forces the stored

> toxins back into the bloodstream for elimination through sweat, urine

> and bowel, most sweat. While in the bloodstream you are being exposed

> just as you were originally, except this time it's all at once! One

> woman who had a lifelong drug addiction experienced them as a

> flashback all at the one time. The chlordane victim started a week

> after I did and was outrunning me by the time I left.

Serena, maybe this is how people with CFS could do his program. It

Takes a lot more than jsut running and saunaing though. I first thought

when I read about it last year that I could do it by myself but I

realize the vitamins and minerals needed in the exact ratio and

increased at the program progresses that I could never find the right

ratio of vitamins and minerals.

If anyone took the time to read the link which Carl supplied, they know

that the church is doing the purification program completely outside of

any church. I can see from what I read about Hubbard's knowledge of

vitamins and minerals that he was a genius in that area and that is the

only area which concerns me.

Thanks Carl for having the guts so say you went through this program.

BTW, did you ever get to 5,000MG's of niacin? If you did, did it

destroy your liver?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Yes, he is the expert on one thing that he has decided not to elaborate

on: How full of fecal matter he is! *lol*

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, SERENA EDWARDS wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:03:35 -0800 (PST)

> From: SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] L Ron Hubbard's Purification program

>

> Boy, Ron Gots really gets around, doesn't he? Is there anything left that guy

hasn't declared himself to be an expert on for the right amount of cash?

>

> " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Bob,

>

> I went through a medical program in 1986 based on Purification. It

>

>

> Serena

>

> There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

> ...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

this is a copy of a post i made a short time ago. since then i have

done a little more research and found that there is vitmain company

that makes supplements that could fulfill the requirements of this

program.

the company is nutrina and here is also a link to a distributor that

puts together a package for this detox program:

http://www.nutrina.com/

http://www.healthcatalog.com/

i don't know anybody who has done this program, so i can't really say

anything concrete about it.

here's my repost:

i was watching the news tonight and saw a report on the " 9/11

syndrome " . apparently many, many workers from the World Trade Center

are suffering from toxic exposures.

Tom Cruise and his fellow Scientologists have set up some detox

centers in NYC area for the workers and are using a detox program

developed by L Ron Hubbard to help them regain their health.

apparently it is working. for how many, i really can't say, but when

you see these rescue workers stand up and say how sick they were and

that they are now well....it's hard to deny.

anyway, i found the report interesting so i did some digging and

found this site:

http://www.nydetox.org/

does anybody know anything about it?

thanks

bill

PS - one the features of the program is using Niacin to help mobilize

toxins stored in our fatty tissues.

> >

> > I became interested in his Purification program a year ago. I

> researched it over the web and ended calling one of his churches in

> Dallas. Most know he is the founder of the Church of Scientology.

His

> purification program is not about his church though. He had a lot

of

> member's of his church who were addicted to drugs and he used his

> brillant mind to develop this " detox " program. I first thought it

was

> just running for 30 minutes then doing 4.5 hours in a sauna until I

> bought his book today, " Clear body, Clear Mind " . It is much more

> complicated and if he is correct on vitamin/mineral use, that is

much

> more complicated that any of us know!! I realize that running for

30

> minutes and doing sauna that long, you take breaks when needed and

> cool showers, does not sound like a way I could detox but who knows

> once you start his complete program. Maybe " moldies " could have the

> energy to go through this. It was expensive. I forgot if it was $3k

> or $5k. I thought that was very high until I read

> > his book about what it entails.

> >

> > Has anyone gone through his purification program or know

someone

> who has? I beleive they have MD's who are experienced in the

program

> who administers it.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > PS His Purification program and his church are completely

> seperate. A person does not have to join his church to go through

the

> purification. After reading his book and how detailed taking the

> right amount of vitamins & minerals is, I don't think I would

> consider trying it by myself but drug addicts have drugs in their

fat

> tissues and that is what the program detoxes so I feel the program

> would also detox us.

>

[Guest guest]

mycotoxins are not water soluable, but soluable in ethanol and other

solvents- at least this is what I have read

The program did not

> > advise above 5,000 and warned against it.

> >

> >

> > Serena

> >

> > There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original

premise.

> > ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

>

> Despite the fact that Ron Hubbard was a very bright guy with some good ideas

about

this and that, and despite seeing some very good results from his detox, I would

never

consider taking his statistics literally. One of his finest talents was

marketing. There was a

time when if you did nothing more than take a quick course or buy a book, they

had you

sign a receipt that said you were a Scientologist. You can just imagine how many

Scientologists there were, all of a sudden! I had a brother-in-law who had been

in the Sea

Org. Not everything there was all that rosy. Those guys slept 2 hours a night

for years on

end. What I did see, was a number of people who were otherwise major screw-ups

in life,

get their act together very quickly. I just remembered a renter I had who had

been through

that Drug Rundown and a bunch of other stuff. He was clean, but he was still a

major jerk,

so there was at least one failure. IIRC, they made him go back and repeat

everything since

he didn't turn out

> right the first time. But on the whole, I do respect the results I saw.

>

>

>

> Serena

I took one class, count'em, one, and they put me on their list and still to this

day call me a

S. and send my parents propaganda, even though they have asked them to stop for

over

30 years. They still refuse to stop sending the crap. I told my folks to let me

handle it, I

would call an attorney and get tough about harrassment, but my dad decided it

made him

happy that they were wasting all that money in mail.

Most of the S. I knew were not nice people. They tended to use others (not all

of them,

mind you)- and if you object to something they do, they said you just weren't

" clear

enough " , and still had all this emotional baggage, so in effect, you are making

yourself

upset.

The upside is that you are dealing with sober people, the downside is the lack

of loving

moral values that I find associated with the religions around here.

[Guest guest]

>

> this is a copy of a post i made a short time ago. since then i have

> done a little more research and found that there is vitmain company

> that makes supplements that could fulfill the requirements of this

> program.

>

> the company is nutrina and here is also a link to a distributor

that

> puts together a package for this detox program:

>

> http://www.nutrina.com/

>

> http://www.healthcatalog.com/

I saw the Cal-Mag which is for the detox but I didn't see the other

things. I went to the second link and didn't see anything there. What

am I doing wrong? I would probably try this program if I could get

the vitamins and minerals in the correct ratio. I just took some Tri-

Salts with apple-cider vinegar as I read that calcium needs acidity

to be absorbed.

Bob

[Guest guest]

> Bob, I guess my question is why would you want to do a drug detox

program?

No it doesn't make me mad. IF you read the book, you would know that

stuff for operations, Ilived close to White Sands, NM from '52-'57

during testing, yes I did take LSD, pot, I became ill in aug and

being single that summer. I lived at the pool and I believe Hubbard

when he says that sunshine gives off a form of radiation. If we did

not have so many toxins, drugs and radation in our tissues, our

immune system would have killed any pathogen. Did you know that all

drugs, alcohol and such deplete vitamins and minerals, particulary B

one? I was drinking heavily before becoming ill, I was in the sun all

of the time and I had gas from dentist work just before becoming ill.

I am beginning to believe that detoxing all of the drugs, toxins and

radiation out, plus get on his vitamin/mineral plan will cause my

body to kill lyme or whatever.

Okay, what do you think about what I just said? Oh, I didn't mention

all of the DDT I inhaled growing up. why did I get ill at the age of

28? Was it because of the radiation from the sun added to all of the

alcohol which depleted what little nutrients I got from my horrible

diet. Have you ever noticed that when people here eat better, they

feel better?

I will say this, I am open-minded but please do not be against a

program because of some church he started. I must be the only one on

this list who doesn't know what his church does? I know several

famous actors are members but I thought it was more about thinking

positive thoughts and stuff to be happier. ph started the

Mormons, do people hate him...lol

Bob

[Guest guest]

> it still seems like a long shot to me that this program

will 'target' detoxing the right thing for you, because we dont' know

what that 'thing' is essentially. Its a crapshoot at best. Even

completely discounting the assn with his church etc. Its not been

proven that doing this type of detoxing is going to cure or help cfs

has it? I just don't want to see you waste money and be disappointed.

>

> Marcia

I know it hasn't been shown to cure CFS but who do you know who has

tried it. It detoxes everything. did you see the post where Tom

Cruise took the program to NYC and detoxed the fireman and they are

well now? People from Chernobyl were sent to him for detoxification.

Marica, I don't know that I will do it. If I could find someplace

that sold vitamins/minerals in his protocol, in exactly the right

ratio, I might try it by myself.

Marcia, I am not sure you read something I posted about his protocol,

didn't I post that his program worked for my son's drug addiction

after he had been a addict for five years? that was why I looked into

it last year to see what good it might do for me. May I say though

that neither my ex or I became members of the church nor were we ever

asked to, It was like a rehab center. I would drop him off and pick

him up later. How can I not believe in the program? Now whether it

has any relevancy for CFS, who knows but aren't we always trying to

detox? Wasn't that Jim's theory when he sold us the FIR's? I believe

in it then. also, you have no idea of how hard it is for me with the

mold to keep going. If it was not for my faith... I am much sicker

than I have ever been in my 30 years. I need to get out of here but

nowhere to go. So maybe I am also thinking that maybe his program

would detox this mold. Shoemaker says that cholestryamine will and I

will get some. there is an great environmental Dr in Dallas, william

Rea, but he wants his money up front. Shoemaker will take medicare

but he sent me papers last time I called and I couldn't fill them

out...lol

Thanks for being open-minded and just looking at the detox program

and nothing else. the bible says that God will use evil people to do

good things. You ever know a church to turn down a huge donation

because it came from the mafia...haha!

Bob

[Guest guest]

Bob, a few years ago, I was thinking about going to Dr. Rea's clinic

in Dallas. As you know, his program is similar to Hubbard's in many

ways. He provides IV vitamins, minerals, amino acids, etc., and room

and board in a chemical and allergin free environment, as well as a

sauna detox program. My doctor told me that about half of her CFS

patients who had gone thru Rea's clinic were substantially if not

completely better, but half had not been helped by it. That is a lot

of money to spend for a fifty percent chance of getting well. But if

money were not a consideration for me, I would go there without a

moment's hesitation. In my opinion, most people would get well after

6 months at Rea's clinic instead of 6 weeks. But staying well means

you have to continue a healthy lifestyle and avoid mold toxins,

polluted cities, etc.

Vickie

>

>

> > it still seems like a long shot to me that this program

> will 'target' detoxing the right thing for you, because we dont'

know

> what that 'thing' is essentially. Its a crapshoot at best. Even

> completely discounting the assn with his church etc. Its not been

> proven that doing this type of detoxing is going to cure or help

cfs

> has it? I just don't want to see you waste money and be

disappointed.

> >

> > Marcia

>

> I know it hasn't been shown to cure CFS but who do you know who has

> tried it. It detoxes everything. did you see the post where Tom

> Cruise took the program to NYC and detoxed the fireman and they are

> well now? People from Chernobyl were sent to him for

detoxification.

> Marica, I don't know that I will do it. If I could find someplace

> that sold vitamins/minerals in his protocol, in exactly the right

> ratio, I might try it by myself.

>

> Marcia, I am not sure you read something I posted about his

protocol,

> didn't I post that his program worked for my son's drug addiction

> after he had been a addict for five years? that was why I looked

into

> it last year to see what good it might do for me. May I say though

> that neither my ex or I became members of the church nor were we

ever

> asked to, It was like a rehab center. I would drop him off and pick

> him up later. How can I not believe in the program? Now whether it

> has any relevancy for CFS, who knows but aren't we always trying to

> detox? Wasn't that Jim's theory when he sold us the FIR's? I

believe

> in it then. also, you have no idea of how hard it is for me with

the

> mold to keep going. If it was not for my faith... I am much sicker

> than I have ever been in my 30 years. I need to get out of here but

> nowhere to go. So maybe I am also thinking that maybe his program

> would detox this mold. Shoemaker says that cholestryamine will and

I

> will get some. there is an great environmental Dr in Dallas,

william

> Rea, but he wants his money up front. Shoemaker will take medicare

> but he sent me papers last time I called and I couldn't fill them

> out...lol

>

> Thanks for being open-minded and just looking at the detox program

> and nothing else. the bible says that God will use evil people to

do

> good things. You ever know a church to turn down a huge donation

> because it came from the mafia...haha!

>

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

> Ask his office to send you the papers over the internet, then fill

them out

> on your computer.

>

> mjh

They wanted to know every little detail and I would start getting a

headache and have to stop, you know what I mean? I had to think too

much to fill out his papers so I just gave up. when I was better, I

didn't want a wife but now that I am a broken down 58 year old man, I

need one...lol Help me fill out paperwork and drive.

Bob

[Guest guest]

at the health catalogue site, there is a " product search " option.

click on that and type " sauna detox " , that will take you to the

package of vitamins for this detox program.

also here is a direct link:

http://www.health-shopping.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?

Screen=PROD & Store_Code=HC & Product_Code=550A & Category_Code=

this link might be so long that you have to copy and paste in your

searcj field.

if you have any problems let me know.

thanks

bill

> >

> > this is a copy of a post i made a short time ago. since then i

have

> > done a little more research and found that there is vitmain

company

> > that makes supplements that could fulfill the requirements of

this

> > program.

> >

> > the company is nutrina and here is also a link to a distributor

> that

> > puts together a package for this detox program:

> >

> > http://www.nutrina.com/

> >

> > http://www.healthcatalog.com/

>

> I saw the Cal-Mag which is for the detox but I didn't see the other

> things. I went to the second link and didn't see anything there.

What

> am I doing wrong? I would probably try this program if I could get

> the vitamins and minerals in the correct ratio. I just took some

Tri-

> Salts with apple-cider vinegar as I read that calcium needs acidity

> to be absorbed.

>

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Vickie for telling me this. It would be nice to have $5k just

to try wouldn't it? BTW, the pirification program also consisted of

taking good oils, soy, walnut and two more. His theory was that the

body hung on to bad fats with toxins in them. If you give the body

good fats to replace the old, the body would release the bads ones

with toxins.

I bought a bunch of the vitamins and minerals today and I saunad a

little using my two FIR's heaters but didn't sweat much. I will

starting pouring with sweat by the third or fourth one.

Bob

> > > it still seems like a long shot to me that this program

> > will 'target' detoxing the right thing for you, because we dont'

> know

> > what that 'thing' is essentially. Its a crapshoot at best. Even

> > completely discounting the assn with his church etc. Its not

been

> > proven that doing this type of detoxing is going to cure or help

> cfs

> > has it? I just don't want to see you waste money and be

> disappointed.

> > >

> > > Marcia

> >

> > I know it hasn't been shown to cure CFS but who do you know who

has

> > tried it. It detoxes everything. did you see the post where Tom

> > Cruise took the program to NYC and detoxed the fireman and they

are

> > well now? People from Chernobyl were sent to him for

> detoxification.

> > Marica, I don't know that I will do it. If I could find someplace

> > that sold vitamins/minerals in his protocol, in exactly the right

> > ratio, I might try it by myself.

> >

> > Marcia, I am not sure you read something I posted about his

> protocol,

> > didn't I post that his program worked for my son's drug addiction

> > after he had been a addict for five years? that was why I looked

> into

> > it last year to see what good it might do for me. May I say

though

> > that neither my ex or I became members of the church nor were we

> ever

> > asked to, It was like a rehab center. I would drop him off and

pick

> > him up later. How can I not believe in the program? Now whether

it

> > has any relevancy for CFS, who knows but aren't we always trying

to

> > detox? Wasn't that Jim's theory when he sold us the FIR's? I

> believe

> > in it then. also, you have no idea of how hard it is for me with

> the

> > mold to keep going. If it was not for my faith... I am much

sicker

> > than I have ever been in my 30 years. I need to get out of here

but

> > nowhere to go. So maybe I am also thinking that maybe his program

> > would detox this mold. Shoemaker says that cholestryamine will

and

> I

> > will get some. there is an great environmental Dr in Dallas,

> william

> > Rea, but he wants his money up front. Shoemaker will take

medicare

> > but he sent me papers last time I called and I couldn't fill them

> > out...lol

> >

> > Thanks for being open-minded and just looking at the detox

program

> > and nothing else. the bible says that God will use evil people to

> do

> > good things. You ever know a church to turn down a huge donation

> > because it came from the mafia...haha!

> >

> > Bob

> >

>