Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

[Guest guest]

Regarding chiropractic health screens:

I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinal

screenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside of

Walmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they did

them.

Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago and

mentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,

with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by a

professional management company, have an element of rejection. The person

walks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they are

going to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.

OUCH!

I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why do

I have to market and sell chiropractic. MD¹s don¹t have to go through this!

It¹s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends, and

the general public like MD¹s are!

When you change your focus to something different, you get a different

result. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: ³out of all

the people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or God

will bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their lives

so much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now². I

owe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspired

chiropractor.

(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinic

which impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not having

to do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]

I don¹t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will do

impromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,

and my dentist's waiting room!)

Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my face

look expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.

It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care of

back pain and headaches. I personally got ³chiropractic religion² from a

scientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.

They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA all over the place.

Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also help

people change their current health and future lifestyle by including changes

in how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensive

wellness care with chiropractic as its basis.

Good stuff:

https://www.thewellnesspractice.com

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

No he doesn’t.

He teaches a wellness certification course; no practice management focus.

In increased belief in chiropractic on an intellectual level helps with any marketing endeavor.

My point is that if you develop a passion about chiropractic born of a scientific understanding, doing screenings, outside lectures, or any other face-to-face method to build your practice will be less painful and more exciting.

If you don’t need to get out of the clinic to build your practice, more power to you.

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: vsaboe <vsaboe@...>

Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:06:29 -0800

' Abrahamson' <drscott@...>, 'ChiroListServe' < >

Subject: RE: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

HI ,

Signed up for Dr. Chesnut’s course Module I in March…but as per the spinal screenings….yikes!  Does Dr. Chestnut suggest public spinal screenings?

Vern Saboe

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Abrahamson

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:00 PM

ChiroListServe

Subject: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Regarding chiropractic health screens:

I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinal

screenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside of

Walmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they did

them.

Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago and

mentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,

with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by a

professional management company, have an element of rejection. The person

walks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they are

going to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.

OUCH!

I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why do

I have to market and sell chiropractic. MD’s don’t have to go through this!

It’s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends, and

the general public like MD’s are!

When you change your focus to something different, you get a different

result. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: “out of all

the people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or God

will bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their lives

so much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now”. I

owe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspired

chiropractor.

(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinic

which impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not having

to do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]

I don’t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will do

impromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,

and my dentist's waiting room!)

Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my face

look expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.

It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care of

back pain and headaches. I personally got “chiropractic religion” from a

scientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.

They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA all over the place.

Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also help

people change their current health and future lifestyle by including changes

in how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensive

wellness care with chiropractic as its basis.

Good stuff:

https://www.thewellnesspractice.com

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

Understood ,

But there is a huge difference between accepting

an invitation to speak at the local hospital to the staff physicians about

chiropractic care or the local Rotary Club, or Chamber, or whatever civic or

professional group….giving a evidence based review of our training,

superior skill sets, why what we do works, or an evidence based review of “chiropractic

wellness” such as Dr. Chestnut’s and standing between the underwear

section and the cans of tuna fish at the local Target store doing “spinal

screenings.” Within the context or back drop of a “Health

Fair” yes anything else has always seemed extremely unprofessional to me….but

hey y that’s just me…..whatthehelldoIknowanywho!

Cheers,

Vern

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Abrahamson

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008

5:22 PM

vsaboe; 'ChiroListServe'

Subject: Re:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

No he doesn’t.

He teaches a wellness certification course; no practice management focus.

In increased belief in chiropractic on an intellectual level helps with any

marketing endeavor.

My point is that if you develop a passion about chiropractic born of a

scientific understanding, doing screenings, outside lectures, or any other

face-to-face method to build your practice will be less painful and more

exciting.

If you don’t need to get out of the clinic to build your practice, more

power to you.

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego

Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: vsaboe

<vsaboecomcast (DOT) net>

Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:06:29

-0800

' Abrahamson'

<drscottlakeoswegochiro>, 'ChiroListServe'

< >

Subject: RE:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

HI ,

Signed up for Dr. Chesnut’s course Module I in March…but as per the

spinal screenings….yikes! Does Dr. Chestnut suggest public spinal

screenings?

Vern Saboe

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Abrahamson

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008

4:00 PM

ChiroListServe

Subject: Spinal

screenings and chiropractic self image

Regarding chiropractic health screens:

I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinal

screenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside of

Walmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they did

them.

Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago and

mentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,

with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by a

professional management company, have an element of rejection. The person

walks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they are

going to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.

OUCH!

I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why do

I have to market and sell chiropractic. MD’s don’t have to go

through this!

It’s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends,

and

the general public like MD’s are!

When you change your focus to something different, you get a different

result. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: “out of

all

the people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or God

will bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their lives

so much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now”. I

owe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspired

chiropractor.

(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinic

which impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not having

to do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]

I don’t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will do

impromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,

and my dentist's waiting room!)

Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my face

look expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.

It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care of

back pain and headaches. I personally got “chiropractic religion”

from a

scientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.

They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA

all over the place.

Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also help

people change their current health and future lifestyle by including changes

in how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensive

wellness care with chiropractic as its basis.

Good stuff:

https://www.thewellnesspractice.com

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego

Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

This is somewhat of a test to see if i am back on, ,,,, but I also think that public spinal screenings should be avoided for reasons I think we are all aware of. Passion has nothing to do with it in my opinion. Less painful for who? As a profession it matters little how intense the street preacher's passion is. Use that passion in your practice daily and your practice will grow. GUARANTEEED. Don't cheapen your passion or your profession with charlatan type techniques. There are many instances in which we must act according to the professionalism that our profession requires. I think this is one of them.

hahaha, glad i'm back???

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Regarding chiropractic health screens:I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinalscreenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside ofWalmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they didthem.Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago andmentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by aprofessional management company, have an element of rejection. The personwalks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they aregoing to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.OUCH! I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why doI have to market and sell chiropractic. MD¹s don¹t have to go through this!It¹s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends, andthe general public like MD¹s are!When you change your focus to something different, you get a differentresult. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: ³out of allthe people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or Godwill bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their livesso much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now². Iowe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspiredchiropractor.(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinicwhich impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not havingto do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]I don¹t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will doimpromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,and my dentist's waiting room!)Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my facelook expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care ofback pain and headaches. I personally got ³chiropractic religion² from ascientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA all over the place.Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also helppeople change their current health and future lifestyle by including changesin how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensivewellness care with chiropractic as its basis.Good stuff:https://www.thewellnesspractice.com( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

Of course it is a very personal choice.

I hope you succeed in whatever venue and style of practice building you choose.

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: joe medlin <spinetree@...>

Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:18:30 -0800

ChiroListServe < >, Abrahamson <drscott@...>

Subject: Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

This is somewhat of a test to see if i am back on, ,,,, but I also think that public spinal screenings should be avoided for reasons I think we are all aware of. Passion has nothing to do with it in my opinion. Less painful for who? As a profession it matters little how intense the street preacher's passion is. Use that passion in your practice daily and your practice will grow. GUARANTEEED. Don't cheapen your passion or your profession with charlatan type techniques. There are many instances in which we must act according to the professionalism that our profession requires. I think this is one of them.

hahaha, glad i'm back???

ph Medlin, DC

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1627 NE Alberta St.

Portland, OR 97211

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Regarding chiropractic health screens:

I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinal

screenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside of

Walmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they did

them.

Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago and

mentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,

with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by a

professional management company, have an element of rejection. The person

walks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they are

going to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.

OUCH!

I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why do

I have to market and sell chiropractic. MD’s don’t have to go through this!

It’s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends, and

the general public like MD’s are!

When you change your focus to something different, you get a different

result. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: “out of all

the people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or God

will bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their lives

so much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now”. I

owe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspired

chiropractor.

(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinic

which impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not having

to do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]

I don’t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will do

impromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,

and my dentist's waiting room!)

Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my face

look expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.

It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care of

back pain and headaches. I personally got “chiropractic religion” from a

scientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.

They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA all over the place.

Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also help

people change their current health and future lifestyle by including changes

in how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensive

wellness care with chiropractic as its basis.

Good stuff:

https://www.thewellnesspractice.com

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

I personally prefer sandwich boards with the people giving out brochures and standing next to another chiro doing spinal screenings (I actually saw this a few years ago in a mall in Tampa Fla.)

Herb Freeman DC

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Regarding chiropractic health screens:I was talking with some chiropractors in an online forum about public spinalscreenings. Some were embarrassed by seeing chiros. Doing them outside ofWalmart while others were so excited that they didn't care where they didthem.Greg Stanley of Whitehall Management, spoke here a few years ago andmentioned that even screens set up in health clubs, professionally done,with a SAM unit, free standing full color backdrops, and training by aprofessional management company, have an element of rejection. The personwalks toward you, you are excited and expectant, they look like they aregoing to stop by and have you examine them, and...they walk around you.OUCH! I hate this feeling just want to go to the clinic and treat patients! Why doI have to market and sell chiropractic. MD¹s don¹t have to go through this!It¹s an embarrassment! Oh! To be pre-validated by my family, my friends, andthe general public like MD¹s are!When you change your focus to something different, you get a differentresult. I try to consider screens and guest lectures like this: ³out of allthe people who walk past me today, I wonder if the universe, fate, or Godwill bless me with an encounter with someone whom I will impact their livesso much that they will be grateful that they met me 20 years from now². Iowe it to them to show up as the most focused, enthusiastic, and inspiredchiropractor.(Of course, this can gradually transfer to my day to day work in the clinicwhich impacts patients, staff, and even the UPS guy, leading to not havingto do outside screenings but by then [God being the trickster that he is...]I don¹t mind doing screenings because I AM ON A MISSION and I will doimpromptu spinal screenings at my kid's hockey game, my grandma's funeral,and my dentist's waiting room!)Anyway, it gets the focus off my own fear of rejection and makes my facelook expectant, excited, and what do you know (!) attractive.It really helps to have a vision of chiropractic bigger than NMS care ofback pain and headaches. I personally got ³chiropractic religion² from ascientific course in wellness certification from Chestnut, MS, DC.They do a 4 module series put on by the ICA all over the place.Since attending, I am still really good with NMS conditions but I also helppeople change their current health and future lifestyle by including changesin how they EAT, MOVE, and THINK; a scientific approach to comprehensivewellness care with chiropractic as its basis.Good stuff:https://www.thewellnesspractice.com( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.Balsiger Chiropractic Center1019 NE 122nd. AvePortland, Oregon 97230503 257-8606Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

....and when was the last time you witnessed a medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

Conversly I've often thought that having a well trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing these spinal screenings and providing informational literature and sceduling free consultations and examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic would be a more professional method by which to do this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.Balsiger Chiropractic Center1019 NE 122nd. AvePortland, Oregon 97230503 257-8606

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

It is the attitude you express Vern that keeps me away from these (IMHO) inappropriate sessions. Giving talks around town do as much and more to 'spread our message' and do it in a professional, supportive manner.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

spinetree@...; ; drscott@...; RMBALSIGER@...From: vsaboe@...Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:15:09 -0800Subject: Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

....and when was the last time you witnessed a medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

Conversly I've often thought that having a well trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing these spinal screenings and providing informational literature and sceduling free consultations and examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic would be a more professional method by which to do this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.Balsiger Chiropractic Center1019 NE 122nd. AvePortland, Oregon 97230503 257-8606

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[Guest guest]

Agreed!!!!

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.Balsiger Chiropractic Center1019 NE 122nd. AvePortland, Oregon 97230503 257-8606

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

I like Vern,s Idea about the ca, but apparently our board doesn't agree. They expect a Dr. To be on site for the screenings

Carl Bonofiglio, D.C.

www.spinalquest.nutrametrix.com

-- Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

....and when was the last time you witnessed a medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

Conversly I've often thought that having a well trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing these spinal screenings and providing informational literature and sceduling free consultations and examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic would be a more professional method by which to do this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.Balsiger Chiropractic Center1019 NE 122nd. AvePortland, Oregon 97230503 257-8606

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more.

[Guest guest]

Good point, Vern. I've also noticed the people doing the med

screenings are not the MDs. I actually used to have a nice little job

while I was in school going out to factories to draw blood for chem

screens. I certainly wasn't any kind of licensed medical

professional. I had gotten my training in the army.

I think the well trained CA is the better approach. But gosh,

whatthehelldoIknoweither!

Annette

On Wednesday, January 30, 2008, at 07:15 AM, Vern Saboe wrote:

> ...and when was the last time you witnessed a medical physician

> standing in the middle of Walmart performing those free BP checks,

> Cholesterol finger pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

>  

> Conversly I've often thought that having a well trained and

> professional looking CA/CAs performing these spinal screenings and

> providing informational literature and sceduling free consultations

> and examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic would be a more

> professional method by which to do this stuff.....but again

> whatthehelldoIknow!

>  

> Cheers,

>  

> Vern Saboe

>  

>

> Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self

> image

>

> What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional,

> educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings,

> cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the

> intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body

> really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not

> otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm.

> Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in

> their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing

> others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.

> I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots

> support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that

> has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic

> medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit

> of a chiropracti adjustment.

> Best Regards

>  

>

>  

> M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> Portland, Oregon 97230

> 503 257-8606

>

>

>

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>

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How did you build your practice, Vern?

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...>

Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:15:09 -0800

<spinetree@...>, < >, <drscott@...>, <RMBALSIGER@...>

Subject: Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

....and when was the last time you witnessed a medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

Conversly I've often thought that having a well trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing these spinal screenings and providing informational literature and sceduling free consultations and examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic would be a more professional method by which to do this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

Cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

What is the difference between a D.C. doing a professional, educational spinal screening and the free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen? If the intent is increasing public awareness and knowledge of how the body really works and providing an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the concept are not as secure in their self-image as they would like to believe. Further more, if we think that the survival of the profession is dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s, PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I think our survival, historically, as been dependent upon grass roots support of enthusiastic chiropractic patients and I don't think that has changed. The only time we will have the support of allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti adjustment.

Best Regards

M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

Balsiger Chiropractic Center

1019 NE 122nd. Ave

Portland, Oregon 97230

503 257-8606

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Hello Vern,

I had to chime in on this. I had done way to many

screenings when I was in school for other doctors (

about 2 a week). Some of the events were less than

desirable (in a pharmacy), but others were great. I

never viewed it as using “charlatan type techniques”.

When I see a booth for a Dentist or Physical

Therapist, I don’t think they are using charlatan type

techniques. I always saw it as they are out there

meeting people. The majority of the people we would

meet either where thinking about seeing a

Chiropractor, or had never considered a Chiropractor

for whatever health problems they were suffering with.

I have had booths next to Vascular Surgeons,

Optometrists, many Dentists and Physical Therapists.

And yes the doctors and PT’s were actually there with

their staff. In a perfect world you would open your

doors and people would flood in, because they would

already know what we do and how we can help them. I

don’t think we are there yet.

Radspinner

--- Vern Saboe <vsaboe@...> wrote:

> ...and when was the last time you witnessed a

> medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart

> performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger

> pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

>

> Conversly I've often thought that having a well

> trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing

> these spinal screenings and providing informational

> literature and sceduling free consultations and

> examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic

> would be a more professional method by which to do

> this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vern Saboe

>

> Re: Spinal screenings

> and chiropractic self image

>

>

>

> What is the difference between a D.C. doing a

> professional, educational spinal screening and the

> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol

> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?

> If the intent is increasing public awareness and

> knowledge of how the body really works and providing

> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise

> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see

> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the

> concept are not as secure in their self-image as

> they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> think that the survival of the profession is

> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,

> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I

> think our survival, historically, as been dependent

> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic

> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has

> changed. The only time we will have the support of

> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to

> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti

> adjustment.

> Best Regards

>

>

> M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> Portland, Oregon 97230

> 503 257-8606

>

>

>

>

>

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape in the new year.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Understood ,

But now I will ask you a similar

question. When your booth was next to those that held the dentists,

optometrists, physical therapists, and even vascular surgeons was the venue in

the middle of the local Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers etc. or was the venue that

of a health fair/healthcare fair etc.??? The later of which I think is

appropriate if done in a professional manner which I’m sure you did.

Vern

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of aaron radspinner

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

3:02 PM

Vern Saboe;

spinetree@...; ;

drscott@...; RMBALSIGER@...

Subject: Re:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Hello Vern,

I had to chime in on this. I had done way to many

screenings when I was in school for other doctors (

about 2 a week). Some of the events were less than

desirable (in a pharmacy), but others were great. I

never viewed it as using “charlatan type techniques”.

When I see a booth for a Dentist or Physical

Therapist, I don’t think they are using charlatan type

techniques. I always saw it as they are out there

meeting people. The majority of the people we would

meet either where thinking about seeing a

Chiropractor, or had never considered a Chiropractor

for whatever health problems they were suffering with.

I have had booths next to Vascular Surgeons,

Optometrists, many Dentists and Physical Therapists.

And yes the doctors and PT’s were actually there with

their staff. In a perfect world you would open your

doors and people would flood in, because they would

already know what we do and how we can help them. I

don’t think we are there yet.

Radspinner

--- Vern Saboe <vsaboecomcast (DOT) net>

wrote:

> ...and when was the last time you witnessed a

> medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart

> performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger

> pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

>

> Conversly I've often thought that having a well

> trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing

> these spinal screenings and providing informational

> literature and sceduling free consultations and

> examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic

> would be a more professional method by which to do

> this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vern Saboe

>

> Re: Spinal screenings

> and chiropractic self image

>

>

>

> What is the difference between a D.C. doing a

> professional, educational spinal screening and the

> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol

> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?

> If the intent is increasing public awareness and

> knowledge of how the body really works and providing

> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise

> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see

> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the

> concept are not as secure in their self-image as

> they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> think that the survival of the profession is

> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,

> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I

> think our survival, historically, as been dependent

> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic

> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has

> changed. The only time we will have the support of

> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to

> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti

> adjustment.

> Best Regards

>

>

> M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> Portland, Oregon 97230

> 503 257-8606

>

>

>

>

>

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape in the new year.

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- aaron radspinner <radspinnerdc@...> wrote:

> They were always at health fairs or shows of some

> sort. Except the few that were at local pharmacies.

> I have not done any in the middle of a Target,

> Walmart, etc...

>

> Radspinner

> --- vsaboe <vsaboe@...> wrote:

>

> > Understood ,

> >

> >

> >

> > But now I will ask you a similar question. When

> > your booth was next to

> > those that held the dentists, optometrists,

> physical

> > therapists, and even

> > vascular surgeons was the venue in the middle of

> the

> > local Walmart, Target,

> > Fred Meyers etc. or was the venue that of a health

> > fair/healthcare fair

> > etc.??? The later of which I think is appropriate

> > if done in a professional

> > manner which I'm sure you did.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vern

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf

> > Of aaron radspinner

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:02 PM

> > Vern Saboe; spinetree@...;

> > ;

> > drscott@...; RMBALSIGER@...

> > Subject: Re: Spinal screenings

> and

> > chiropractic self image

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Vern,

> >

> > I had to chime in on this. I had done way to many

> > screenings when I was in school for other doctors

> (

> > about 2 a week). Some of the events were less than

> > desirable (in a pharmacy), but others were great.

> I

> > never viewed it as using " charlatan type

> > techniques " .

> > When I see a booth for a Dentist or Physical

> > Therapist, I don't think they are using charlatan

> > type

> > techniques. I always saw it as they are out there

> > meeting people. The majority of the people we

> would

> > meet either where thinking about seeing a

> > Chiropractor, or had never considered a

> Chiropractor

> > for whatever health problems they were suffering

> > with.

> > I have had booths next to Vascular Surgeons,

> > Optometrists, many Dentists and Physical

> Therapists.

> >

> > And yes the doctors and PT's were actually there

> > with

> > their staff. In a perfect world you would open

> your

> > doors and people would flood in, because they

> would

> > already know what we do and how we can help them.

> I

> > don't think we are there yet.

> >

> > Radspinner

> > --- Vern Saboe <vsaboecomcast (DOT)

> > <mailto:vsaboe%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

> >

> > > ...and when was the last time you witnessed a

> > > medical physician standing in the middle of

> > Walmart

> > > performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol

> > finger

> > > pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

> > >

> > > Conversly I've often thought that having a well

> > > trained and professional looking CA/CAs

> performing

> > > these spinal screenings and providing

> > informational

> > > literature and sceduling free consultations and

> > > examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic

> > > would be a more professional method by which to

> do

> > > this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > > Vern Saboe

> > >

> > > Re: Spinal screenings

> > > and chiropractic self image

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a

> > > professional, educational spinal screening and

> the

> > > free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol

> > > screenings and discount flu shots so commonly

> > seen?

> > > If the intent is increasing public awareness and

> > > knowledge of how the body really works and

> > providing

> > > an opportunity to the public that is not

> otherwise

> > > available to learn about Chiropractic I don't

> see

> > > the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the

> > > concept are not as secure in their self-image as

> > > they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> > > think that the survival of the profession is

> > > dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,

> > > PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.

> I

> > > think our survival, historically, as been

> > dependent

> > > upon grass roots support of enthusiastic

> > > chiropractic patients and I don't think that has

> > > changed. The only time we will have the support

> of

> > > allopathic medecine is when they figure out how

> to

> > > patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti

> > > adjustment.

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> > > Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> > > 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> > > Portland, Oregon 97230

> > > 503 257-8606

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > shape in the new year.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

They sell drugs in the middle of the local Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers, Safeway, Albertsons, Costco, and Thriftway.

Actually it’s over on the side but they put drug stores there for only one reason: it’s where people are.

(Granted they are legal drugs, but they are poisoning our fellow citizens and very few people are yelling “wake up!”)

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: vsaboe <vsaboe@...>

Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:15:09 -0800

'aaron radspinner' <radspinnerdc@...>, <spinetree@...>, < >, <drscott@...>, <RMBALSIGER@...>

Subject: RE: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Understood ,

But now I will ask you a similar question. When your booth was next to those that held the dentists, optometrists, physical therapists, and even vascular surgeons was the venue in the middle of the local Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers etc. or was the venue that of a health fair/healthcare fair etc.??? The later of which I think is appropriate if done in a professional manner which I’m sure you did.

Vern

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of aaron radspinner

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:02 PM

Vern Saboe; spinetree@...; ; drscott@...; RMBALSIGER@...

Subject: Re: Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Hello Vern,

I had to chime in on this. I had done way to many

screenings when I was in school for other doctors (

about 2 a week). Some of the events were less than

desirable (in a pharmacy), but others were great. I

never viewed it as using “charlatan type techniques”.

When I see a booth for a Dentist or Physical

Therapist, I don’t think they are using charlatan type

techniques. I always saw it as they are out there

meeting people. The majority of the people we would

meet either where thinking about seeing a

Chiropractor, or had never considered a Chiropractor

for whatever health problems they were suffering with.

I have had booths next to Vascular Surgeons,

Optometrists, many Dentists and Physical Therapists.

And yes the doctors and PT’s were actually there with

their staff. In a perfect world you would open your

doors and people would flood in, because they would

already know what we do and how we can help them. I

don’t think we are there yet.

Radspinner

--- Vern Saboe <vsaboe@... <mailto:vsaboe%40comcast.net> > wrote:

> ...and when was the last time you witnessed a

> medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart

> performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger

> pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

>

> Conversly I've often thought that having a well

> trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing

> these spinal screenings and providing informational

> literature and sceduling free consultations and

> examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic

> would be a more professional method by which to do

> this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vern Saboe

>

> Re: Spinal screenings

> and chiropractic self image

>

>

>

> What is the difference between a D.C. doing a

> professional, educational spinal screening and the

> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol

> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?

> If the intent is increasing public awareness and

> knowledge of how the body really works and providing

> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise

> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see

> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the

> concept are not as secure in their self-image as

> they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> think that the survival of the profession is

> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,

> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I

> think our survival, historically, as been dependent

> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic

> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has

> changed. The only time we will have the support of

> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to

> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti

> adjustment.

> Best Regards

>

>

> M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> Portland, Oregon 97230

> 503 257-8606

>

>

>

>

>

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape in the new year.

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK all ya'll

I can't stands it no more cause I can't stands it no more.

If you are ' hawking ' Chiropractic it will not matter if you are doing it in your clinic/wal mart/ local club ... whatever.. it will come across as unprofessional

On the other hand if you are being professional and there to ' serve' , that also will come across.

I applaud everyone who is there to serve and educate the public about true health, in whatever format they feel is appropriate !

Regards

Danno

Re: Spinal screenings> and chiropractic self image> > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> professional, educational spinal screening and the> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?> If the intent is increasing public awareness and> knowledge of how the body really works and providing> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> concept are not as secure in their self-image as> they would like to believe. Further more, if we> think that the survival of the profession is> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I> think our survival, historically, as been dependent> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> changed. The only time we will have the support of> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> adjustment.> Best Regards> > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> Balsiger Chiropractic Center> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> Portland, Oregon 97230> 503 257-8606> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> shape in the new year. > >

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[Guest guest]

Perhaps Vern has had an

experience that left a very negative feeling regarding screenings.

About 15 years ago my

wife and I walked into a major big box store. In the middle of the first isle was a chiro doing

screenings. On the view box was an

underexposed, poorly developed film.

In the middle of the film was an obvious large metallic belt buckle. An under-wire bra with 4 rows of hooks

was also clearly visible. When I

approached the people managing the screening they were very put out that I had

the audacity to point out the shortcomings of the film.

How many other healthcare

professionals and lay persons walked by and painted you and I with that

brush? My earnest hope is that

those kinds of screenings are no longer being done!

Peace,

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR 97330

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From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf

Of Abrahamson

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

4:23 PM

vsaboe; 'aaron radspinner';

spinetree@...; ; RMBALSIGER@...

Subject: Re:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

They sell drugs in the middle of the local Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers,

Safeway, Albertsons, Costco, and Thriftway.

Actually it’s over on the side but they put drug stores there for only one

reason: it’s where people are.

(Granted they are legal drugs, but they are poisoning our fellow citizens and

very few people are yelling “wake up!”)

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: vsaboe

<vsaboe@...>

Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:15:09

-0800

'aaron radspinner'

<radspinnerdc@...>, <spinetree@...>, < >,

<drscott@...>, <RMBALSIGER@...>

Subject: RE:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Understood ,

But now I will ask you a similar question. When your booth was next to those

that held the dentists, optometrists, physical therapists, and even vascular

surgeons was the venue in the middle of the local Walmart, Target, Fred Meyers

etc. or was the venue that of a health fair/healthcare fair etc.??? The

later of which I think is appropriate if done in a professional manner which

I’m sure you did.

Vern

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of aaron radspinner

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

3:02 PM

Vern Saboe;

spinetree@...; ;

drscott@...; RMBALSIGER@...

Subject: Re:

Spinal screenings and chiropractic self image

Hello Vern,

I had to chime in on this. I had done way to many

screenings when I was in school for other doctors (

about 2 a week). Some of the events were less than

desirable (in a pharmacy), but others were great. I

never viewed it as using “charlatan type techniques”.

When I see a booth for a Dentist or Physical

Therapist, I don’t think they are using charlatan type

techniques. I always saw it as they are out there

meeting people. The majority of the people we would

meet either where thinking about seeing a

Chiropractor, or had never considered a Chiropractor

for whatever health problems they were suffering with.

I have had booths next to Vascular Surgeons,

Optometrists, many Dentists and Physical Therapists.

And yes the doctors and PT’s were actually there with

their staff. In a perfect world you would open your

doors and people would flood in, because they would

already know what we do and how we can help them. I

don’t think we are there yet.

Radspinner

--- Vern Saboe <vsaboe@... <mailto:vsaboe%40comcast.net>

> wrote:

> ...and when was the last time you witnessed a

> medical physician standing in the middle of Walmart

> performing those free BP checks, Cholesterol finger

> pricks, and/or administering flu shots???

>

> Conversly I've often thought that having a well

> trained and professional looking CA/CAs performing

> these spinal screenings and providing informational

> literature and sceduling free consultations and

> examinations with the DC back at his/her clinic

> would be a more professional method by which to do

> this stuff.....but again whatthehelldoIknow!

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vern Saboe

>

> Re: Spinal screenings

> and chiropractic self image

>

>

>

> What is the difference between a D.C. doing a

> professional, educational spinal screening and the

> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol

> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?

> If the intent is increasing public awareness and

> knowledge of how the body really works and providing

> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise

> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see

> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the

> concept are not as secure in their self-image as

> they would like to believe. Further more, if we

> think that the survival of the profession is

> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,

> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I

> think our survival, historically, as been dependent

> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic

> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has

> changed. The only time we will have the support of

> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to

> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti

> adjustment.

> Best Regards

>

>

> M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.

> Balsiger Chiropractic Center

> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave

> Portland, Oregon 97230

> 503 257-8606

>

>

>

>

>

>

----------------------------------------------------------

> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

> shape in the new year.

>

>

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I think if there is a venue such as a HEALTH FAIR, it changes things a bit. It's relevent.

Setting up a spinal screening in a more nebulous event such as outside a strip mall or a general street fair etc. is where it appears to be more charlatan in nature.

Look, building a chiropractic practice is NOT easy, and we should stay within our own comfort zones while trying to do so. We should also be mindful that we represent an entire profession when we are out there networking or attempting to bring in business. If it feels bad, it probably looks that way too. There are other advertising techniques that leave a similar taste in the mouth that as a profession, i believe, we should avoid. Whether or not a certain technique works is beyond the point. The objective of attaining more patients in the office may have been acheived, but how many people were turned off just the same?

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Re: Spinal screenings> > > and chiropractic self image> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> > > professional, educational spinal screening and> the> > > free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> > > screenings and discount flu shots so commonly> > seen?> > > If the intent is increasing public awareness and> > > knowledge of how the body really works and> > providing> > > an opportunity to the public that is not> otherwise> > > available to learn about Chiropractic I don't> see> > > the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> > > concept are not as secure in their self-image as> > > they would like to believe. Further more, if we> > > think that the survival of the profession is> > > dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> > > PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.> I> > > think our survival, historically, as been> > dependent> > > upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> > > chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> > > changed. The only time we will have the support> of> > > allopathic medecine is when they figure out how> to> > > patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> > > adjustment.> > > Best Regards> > > > > > > > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> > > Balsiger Chiropractic Center> > > 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> > > Portland, Oregon 97230> > > 503 257-8606> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------> > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > > shape in the new year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages> >></message/26539;_ylc=X3oDMTM2OGV2dGcy> >>BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3> >>BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQR0cGNJZAMyNjUzOQ-->> > in this> > topic (14)> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYXV0MWJhBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3BHNlYwNmd> >>HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--?act=reply & messageNum=26567>> > Reply> > (via web post) | Start> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTZibzloBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc> > 3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--> a new topic > > > > Messages> >> === message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

I think if there is a venue such as a HEALTH FAIR, it changes things a bit. It's relevant.

Setting up a spinal screening in a more nebulous event such as outside a strip mall or a general street fair etc. is where it appears to be more charlatan in nature.

Look, building a chiropractic practice is NOT easy, and we should stay within our own comfort zones while trying to do so. We should also be mindful that we represent an entire profession when we are out there networking or attempting to bring in business. If it feels bad, it probably looks that way too. There are other advertising techniques that leave a similar taste in the mouth that as a profession, i believe, we should avoid. Whether or not a certain technique works is beyond the point. The objective of attaining more patients in the office may have been achieved, but how many people were turned off just the same?

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Re: Spinal screenings> > > and chiropractic self image> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> > > professional, educational spinal screening and> the> > > free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> > > screenings and discount flu shots so commonly> > seen?> > > If the intent is increasing public awareness and> > > knowledge of how the body really works and> > providing> > > an opportunity to the public that is not> otherwise> > > available to learn about Chiropractic I don't> see> > > the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> > > concept are not as secure in their self-image as> > > they would like to believe. Further more, if we> > > think that the survival of the profession is> > > dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> > > PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.> I> > > think our survival, historically, as been> > dependent> > > upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> > > chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> > > changed. The only time we will have the support> of> > > allopathic medecine is when they figure out how> to> > > patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> > > adjustment.> > > Best Regards> > > > > > > > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> > > Balsiger Chiropractic Center> > > 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> > > Portland, Oregon 97230> > > 503 257-8606> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------> > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > > shape in the new year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages> >></message/26539;_ylc=X3oDMTM2OGV2dGcy> >>BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3> >>BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQR0cGNJZAMyNjUzOQ-->> > in this> > topic (14)> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYXV0MWJhBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3BHNlYwNmd> >>HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--?act=reply & messageNum=26567>> > Reply> > (via web post) | Start> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTZibzloBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc> > 3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--> a new topic > > > > Messages> >> === message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

I think if there is a venue such as a HEALTH FAIR, it changes things a bit. It's relevent.

Setting up a spinal screening in a more nebulous event such as outside a strip mall or a general street fair etc. is where it appears to be more charlatan in nature.

Look, building a chiropractic practice is NOT easy, and we should stay within our own comfort zones while trying to do so. We should also be mindful that we represent an entire profession when we are out there networking or attempting to bring in business. If it feels bad, it probably looks that way too. There are other advertising techniques that leave a similar taste in the mouth that as a profession, i believe, we should avoid. Whether or not a certain technique works is beyond the point. The objective of attaining more patients in the office may have been acheived, but how many people were turned off just the same?

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Re: Spinal screenings> > > and chiropractic self image> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> > > professional, educational spinal screening and> the> > > free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> > > screenings and discount flu shots so commonly> > seen?> > > If the intent is increasing public awareness and> > > knowledge of how the body really works and> > providing> > > an opportunity to the public that is not> otherwise> > > available to learn about Chiropractic I don't> see> > > the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> > > concept are not as secure in their self-image as> > > they would like to believe. Further more, if we> > > think that the survival of the profession is> > > dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> > > PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.> I> > > think our survival, historically, as been> > dependent> > > upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> > > chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> > > changed. The only time we will have the support> of> > > allopathic medecine is when they figure out how> to> > > patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> > > adjustment.> > > Best Regards> > > > > > > > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> > > Balsiger Chiropractic Center> > > 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> > > Portland, Oregon 97230> > > 503 257-8606> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------> > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > > shape in the new year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages> >></message/26539;_ylc=X3oDMTM2OGV2dGcy> >>BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3> >>BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQR0cGNJZAMyNjUzOQ-->> > in this> > topic (14)> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYXV0MWJhBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3BHNlYwNmd> >>HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--?act=reply & messageNum=26567>> > Reply> > (via web post) | Start> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTZibzloBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc> > 3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--> a new topic > > > > Messages> >> === message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

I think if there is a venue such as a HEALTH FAIR, it changes things a bit. It's relevent. Setting up a spinal screening in a more nebulous event such as outside a strip mall or a general street fair etc. is where it appears to be more charlatan in nature.

Look, building a chiropractic practice is NOT easy, and we should stay within our own comfort zones while trying to do so. We should also be mindful that we represent an entire profession when we are out there networking or attempting to bring in business. If it feels bad, it probably looks that way too. There are other advertising techniques that leave a similar taste in the mouth that as a profession, i believe, we should avoid. Whether or not a certain technique works is beyond the point. The objective of attaining more patients in the office may have been acheived, but how many people were turned off just the same?

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

Re: Spinal screenings> > > and chiropractic self image> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> > > professional, educational spinal screening and> the> > > free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> > > screenings and discount flu shots so commonly> > seen?> > > If the intent is increasing public awareness and> > > knowledge of how the body really works and> > providing> > > an opportunity to the public that is not> otherwise> > > available to learn about Chiropractic I don't> see> > > the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> > > concept are not as secure in their self-image as> > > they would like to believe. Further more, if we> > > think that the survival of the profession is> > > dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> > > PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken.> I> > > think our survival, historically, as been> > dependent> > > upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> > > chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> > > changed. The only time we will have the support> of> > > allopathic medecine is when they figure out how> to> > > patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> > > adjustment.> > > Best Regards> > > > > > > > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> > > Balsiger Chiropractic Center> > > 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> > > Portland, Oregon 97230> > > 503 257-8606> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >>----------------------------------------------------------> > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > > shape in the new year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages> >></message/26539;_ylc=X3oDMTM2OGV2dGcy> >>BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3> >>BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQR0cGNJZAMyNjUzOQ-->> > in this> > topic (14)> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYXV0MWJhBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BG1zZ0lkAzI2NTY3BHNlYwNmd> >>HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--?act=reply & messageNum=26567>> > Reply> > (via web post) | Start> >></post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTZibzloBF9TAzk3M> >>zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0MDU5MjAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYxMzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc> > 3RpbWUDMTIwMTczNDEyNQ--> a new topic > > > > Messages> >> === message truncated ===

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Not to mention putting confidential health records on view to the public!!!!!

There was a chiropractic office on 181st in Gresham years ago, soon after I got out of school, that had an x-ray view box in a window facing the street with someones films on display. I couldn't believe anyone would have the complete lack of common sense (and professional ethics) to put private records up for passersby to see.

I was introduced to chiropractic when a student from WSCC was at a college recruitment thing at MHCC in the late 70's. He watched me walking by in obvious pain (obvious to him, but not to the MD's who told me there was nothing wrong with me after an OTJ injury when I was 20 years old.....) and asked me if my back hurt. He told me about chiropractic and eventually helped me to feel better after at least 2 years of unremitting pain and inability to work. That serendipitous event led me to this fantastic career. I have not done any spinal screenings or health fairs (not that there is anything wrong with that) and have done only one lay lecture in 22 years of practice when one of patients literally begged me to address their womens club. The only advertising I do is for my clinic, to help the other practitioners here get known around town. I much prefer word of mouth - if someone likes what I do, they tell their family and friends - but I don't have anything against promotion as long as it is professional and reflects well on our wonderful profession. I, also, cringe when I see chiropractic presented in a carnival sideshow atmosphere.

Rod , DC

Tillamook Natural Health Center

Re: Spinal screenings> and chiropractic self image> > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> professional, educational spinal screening and the> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?> If the intent is increasing public awareness and> knowledge of how the body really works and providing> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> concept are not as secure in their self-image as> they would like to believe. Further more, if we> think that the survival of the profession is> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I> think our survival, historically, as been dependent> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> changed. The only time we will have the support of> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> adjustment.> Best Regards> > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> Balsiger Chiropractic Center> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> Portland, Oregon 97230> 503 257-8606> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> shape in the new year. > >

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This didn't get to the listserve when I sent it the first time.....is there a problem with the system?

Rod

Re: Spinal screenings> and chiropractic self image> > > > What is the difference between a D.C. doing a> professional, educational spinal screening and the> free blood pressure screenings, cholesterol> screenings and discount flu shots so commonly seen?> If the intent is increasing public awareness and> knowledge of how the body really works and providing> an opportunity to the public that is not otherwise> available to learn about Chiropractic I don't see> the harm. Perhaps those that are uneasy with the> concept are not as secure in their self-image as> they would like to believe. Further more, if we> think that the survival of the profession is> dependent upon convincing others such as M.D.s,> PhD.s etc of our value I think we are mistaken. I> think our survival, historically, as been dependent> upon grass roots support of enthusiastic> chiropractic patients and I don't think that has> changed. The only time we will have the support of> allopathic medecine is when they figure out how to> patent and bottle the benefit of a chiropracti> adjustment.> Best Regards> > > M. Balsiger, Jr., D.C.> Balsiger Chiropractic Center> 1019 NE 122nd. Ave> Portland, Oregon 97230> 503 257-8606> > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> shape in the new year. > >