Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I will mention this to her as she has very limited access to the net right now. The lye is packaged so well that there is really no worry. I am sure she can ask her supplier...but I think this may be asking a lot of someone who is doing everyone a favor. If I am not mistaken the last bag I got had a lot of info on the bag as to what it was and precautions that needed to be adheared to. >From: " Shaye " <shaye@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Tabitha and the Lye >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:48:14 -0400 > > >Tabitha, I'd like you to do us folks that are buying lye from you a big >favor also. Can you please get MSDS copies for everyone to keep with the >lye. Just in case something happens in transport home. It was brought to >my attention that not only is that critical information for rescuers in >case >of an accident (god forbid), but the Federal DOT can issue huge fines if >you're caught without one. The chemical supplier will likely be willing to >supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. > >Thanks Tabitha! > >Shaye > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 But Shaye I can see your point too.! >From: " Shaye " <shaye@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Tabitha and the Lye >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:48:14 -0400 > > >Tabitha, I'd like you to do us folks that are buying lye from you a big >favor also. Can you please get MSDS copies for everyone to keep with the >lye. Just in case something happens in transport home. It was brought to >my attention that not only is that critical information for rescuers in >case >of an accident (god forbid), but the Federal DOT can issue huge fines if >you're caught without one. The chemical supplier will likely be willing to >supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. > >Thanks Tabitha! > >Shaye > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Will check but I won't make any promises > > But Shaye I can see your point too.! > > > >From: " Shaye " <shaye@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Tabitha and the Lye > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:48:14 -0400 > > > > > >Tabitha, I'd like you to do us folks that are buying lye from you a big > >favor also. Can you please get MSDS copies for everyone to keep with the > >lye. Just in case something happens in transport home. It was brought to > >my attention that not only is that critical information for rescuers in > >case > >of an accident (god forbid), but the Federal DOT can issue huge fines if > >you're caught without one. The chemical supplier will likely be willing to > >supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. > > > >Thanks Tabitha! > > > >Shaye > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Tabatha, I think when you call to place the order you can ask for the MSDS sheets and the supplier can have them ready for you. Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pebbles000026 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Tabitha and the Lye Will check but I won't make any promises > > But Shaye I can see your point too.! > > > >From: " Shaye " <shaye@...> > >Reply-HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-com > ><HYPERLINK " mailto:%40 " @-groups.-com> > >Subject: Tabitha and the Lye > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:48:14 -0400 > > > > > >Tabitha, I'd like you to do us folks that are buying lye from you a big > >favor also. Can you please get MSDS copies for everyone to keep with the > >lye. Just in case something happens in transport home. It was brought to > >my attention that not only is that critical information for rescuers in > >case > >of an accident (god forbid), but the Federal DOT can issue huge fines if > >you're caught without one. The chemical supplier will likely be willing to > >supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. > > > >Thanks Tabitha! > > > >Shaye > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/889 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 8:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/889 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 8:00 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I don't want to discourage your co-op, because I know as well as anyone how important it is to save money when you can. But I do want to pass along some info. If a chemical vendor sends you on your way without an MSDS, run. They're either careless or clueless, and they're breaking Federal law. 50 pound bags of lye qualify as " small quantity shipments " under the CFR Title 49, Subtitle B, Chapter I, Subchapter A, Section 173.4. This means the driver doesn't need hazmat training and/or a hazmat designation on his/her license, the vehicle doesn't need to be placarded, and the accompanying paperwork requirements are eased. However, an MSDS sheet kept in the vehicle while transporting the sodium hydroxide is required. Federal Hazmat laws are very strict and very difficult to sort through. A couple of things I've picked up over the years that may apply to your co-op... Don't open the bags until you get them home. Once you open the bag, you've compromised the safety of the packaging and legally you'd be required to rectify that to Federal specifications before you can transport it on public roads again. Also, secure the bags well. If one falls off the back of your pickup, you're now facing a hazmat cleanup - and don't think for a minute that you won't be held re$ponsible. The ultimate responsibility for hazmat safety lies with the individual. According to the Department of Transportation, " Failure to comply with these laws risks the lives and safety of everyone who drives, rides, flies or sails, and those involved with the transport of hazardous materials. Violations of the Hazardous Materials Regulations may result in civil penalties ranging from $250 to $100,000 per violation, and criminal penalties of $250,000 to $500,000 in fines and up to ten years in prison. " They mean business. Does anyone know the source of manufacture for this lye? I bought some made off-shore (i.e., China) a couple of years ago and it was absolute junk - filthy greyish-brown when diluted and full of debris. I buy only buy domestic lye now. It might be worth a phone call to check on where the lye is made. I'll run along before you start throwing tomatoes at me. <Pebbles000026@...> wrote: > > Will check but I won't make any promises > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Thanks for the insight ette. Jeanine Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ette Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Tabitha and the Lye I don't want to discourage your co-op, because I know as well as anyone how important it is to save money when you can. But I do want to pass along some info. If a chemical vendor sends you on your way without an MSDS, run. They're either careless or clueless, and they're breaking Federal law. 50 pound bags of lye qualify as " small quantity shipments " under the CFR Title 49, Subtitle B, Chapter I, Subchapter A, Section 173.4. This means the driver doesn't need hazmat training and/or a hazmat designation on his/her license, the vehicle doesn't need to be placarded, and the accompanying paperwork requirements are eased. However, an MSDS sheet kept in the vehicle while transporting the sodium hydroxide is required. Federal Hazmat laws are very strict and very difficult to sort through. A couple of things I've picked up over the years that may apply to your co-op... Don't open the bags until you get them home. Once you open the bag, you've compromised the safety of the packaging and legally you'd be required to rectify that to Federal specifications before you can transport it on public roads again. Also, secure the bags well. If one falls off the back of your pickup, you're now facing a hazmat cleanup - and don't think for a minute that you won't be held re$ponsible. The ultimate responsibility for hazmat safety lies with the individual. According to the Department of Transportation, " Failure to comply with these laws risks the lives and safety of everyone who drives, rides, flies or sails, and those involved with the transport of hazardous materials. Violations of the Hazardous Materials Regulations may result in civil penalties ranging from $250 to $100,000 per violation, and criminal penalties of $250,000 to $500,000 in fines and up to ten years in prison. " They mean business. Does anyone know the source of manufacture for this lye? I bought some made off-shore (i.e., China) a couple of years ago and it was absolute junk - filthy greyish-brown when diluted and full of debris. I buy only buy domestic lye now. It might be worth a phone call to check on where the lye is made. I'll run along before you start throwing tomatoes at me. <Pebbles000026@-...> wrote: > > Will check but I won't make any promises > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 " The chemical supplier will likely be Willing to supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. " Ummm folks... If I'm not mistaken if you ask for the MSDS from the supplier by federal law they HAVE to supply you with one! Maybe I've missed something on the list, but get that MSDS from the supplier ... You can copy it for however many bags you sell to other people, but cover your butt with the transportation of this large amount of lye and the person buying it for their trip home. Think of the safety of fire and police crews if you have an accident. Knowing what chemical they are dealing with could save on lifesaving time!! They will not take just your word for what chemical it is and God forbit you can't talk to them. Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Just to jet you know...its covered. >From: " Terri Wagner " <twagner@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Tabitha and the Lye >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:49:03 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > > " The chemical supplier will likely be >Willing to supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. " > >Ummm folks... If I'm not mistaken if you ask for the MSDS from the supplier >by federal law they HAVE to supply you with one! > >Maybe I've missed something on the list, but get that MSDS from the >supplier >.. You can copy it for however many bags you sell to other people, but >cover >your butt with the transportation of this large amount of lye and the >person >buying it for their trip home. Think of the safety of fire and police crews >if you have an accident. Knowing what chemical they are dealing with could >save on lifesaving time!! They will not take just your word for what >chemical it is and God forbit you can't talk to them. > >Terri > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 ette, the information you passed on is more than newsworthy!!! I appreciate you passing this information on. The chemical company I buy lye from charges me a pretty hefty hazmat fee for 50 pounds of sodium hydroxide, and my home is little over a mile a way. Huggs, Bekka In a message dated 7/9/2007 9:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, writes: I'll run along before you start throwing tomatoes at me. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I am just trying to help you guys. If the lye was not legit do you think I would have posted my personal cell phone on the net................ before I get mad I am going to make a new post. Tabatha Oh and by the way, this is where I am a lot so Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/tlc26 Send me messages there too!! >From: " Kim " <corningwaxworks@...> >Reply- > >Subject: RE: Re: Tabitha and the Lye >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:09:13 -0400 > > > >Just to jet you know...its covered. > > >From: " Terri Wagner " <twagner@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: Tabitha and the Lye > >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:49:03 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > > > > " The chemical supplier will likely be > >Willing to supply a copy of the MSDS for each bag sold. " > > > >Ummm folks... If I'm not mistaken if you ask for the MSDS from the >supplier > >by federal law they HAVE to supply you with one! > > > >Maybe I've missed something on the list, but get that MSDS from the > >supplier > >.. You can copy it for however many bags you sell to other people, but > >cover > >your butt with the transportation of this large amount of lye and the > >person > >buying it for their trip home. Think of the safety of fire and police >crews > >if you have an accident. Knowing what chemical they are dealing with >could > >save on lifesaving time!! They will not take just your word for what > >chemical it is and God forbit you can't talk to them. > > > >Terri > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Good lord, Bekka, will they let you pick it up yourself so you won't have to pay that fee? > > ette, the information you passed on is more than newsworthy!!! I > appreciate you passing this information on. The chemical company I buy lye from > charges me a pretty hefty hazmat fee for 50 pounds of sodium hydroxide, and my > home is little over a mile a way. Huggs, Bekka > > > > In a message dated 7/9/2007 9:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > writes: > > I'll run along before you start throwing tomatoes at me. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I don't think anyone is questioning whether the lye is " legit " , just that it's transported legally and safely. I spoke up because I know a little about the business of buying, selling, and transporting lye. I bought over three tons - 6,000+ pounds - of it in the last 12 months and have shipped it to all corners of the lower 48 states. As far as my comment about my experience with offshore lye, that was " legit " lye, too, but a lower grade than we need to make soap. Many people aren't aware that there is such a dramatic difference in grades of lye; now the folks here on the list do know, and can make informed choices in the future. I'm sure everyone is grateful for your kind gesture, and your honor is not being questioned in the least. > > I am just trying to help you guys. > If the lye was not legit do you think I would have posted my personal cell > phone on the net................ > before I get mad I am going to make a new post. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 LOL, I do pick it up ; ) I don't know why I have to pay this fee but I was told by the company any one picking up any kind of hazardous materials is suppose to pay the hazmat in NYS? I assumed this was a mandatory fee. So I was surprised reading these posts and finding no mention of hazmat fees on top of the cost of the lye. Huggs, Bekka > > > > ette, the information you passed on is more than newsworthy!!! > I > > appreciate you passing this information on. The chemical company I > buy lye from > > charges me a pretty hefty hazmat fee for 50 pounds of sodium > hydroxide, and my > > home is little over a mile a way. Huggs, Bekka > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/9/2007 9:41:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > writes: > > > > I'll run along before you start throwing tomatoes at me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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