Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Is it transmitted by coughing? I thought most viruses, you can get on your hands and then don't wash your hands etc... --- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@v...> wrote: > > > Would likely work for mold spores, too... > > > The NanoMask > > Blocks and Kills... the Bird Flu Virus > ... and many other viruses and bacteria. > > http://www.2hdistributors.com/ > > > FAQs >> > http://www.2hdistributors.com/index/mn28987/Nano_Mask_FAQs > > > Bird Flu Concerns Make Masks Hot Commodity > There's No Epidemic Yet, But Some Want to Be Ready > By AMANDA ONION -- ABC News -- Oct. 6, 2005 >> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Health/print?id=1182529 > > === excerpt: > > " We currently are attempting to produce between 100,000 and 200,000 masks a week, " said Doug Beplate, founder and president of Emergency Filtration Products, based in , Nev. " Now they're going out as soon as we make them. I don't see us catching up to the demand in the near future. " > > ... Beplate claims his masks do better thanks to a coating that reacts to contaminants at the mask surface. He says that electric charges within the nanoparticle coating and among a contaminant react, rendering the contaminant inactive. > > " It works kind of like a magnet, " Beplate said... > > Beplate has not submitted his masks for CDC or NIOSH ratings because he wants to maintain intellectual privacy but he says an independent laboratory, Laboratories in Salt Lake City, has tested the product and found it is 99.99 percent effective at filtering particles as small as 0.027 microns. The laboratory is registered under the Food and Drug Administration. > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yes, it may work for spores. But remember that mycotoxin, which is making us all sick, has a unique molucular structure that allows it to go through things. Thus this filter will not stop mycotoxins --- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@v...> wrote: > > > Would likely work for mold spores, too... > > > The NanoMask > > Blocks and Kills... the Bird Flu Virus > ... and many other viruses and bacteria. > > http://www.2hdistributors.com/ > > > FAQs >> > http://www.2hdistributors.com/index/mn28987/Nano_Mask_FAQs > > > Bird Flu Concerns Make Masks Hot Commodity > There's No Epidemic Yet, But Some Want to Be Ready > By AMANDA ONION -- ABC News -- Oct. 6, 2005 >> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Health/print?id=1182529 > > === excerpt: > > " We currently are attempting to produce between 100,000 and 200,000 masks a week, " said Doug Beplate, founder and president of Emergency Filtration Products, based in , Nev. " Now they're going out as soon as we make them. I don't see us catching up to the demand in the near future. " > > ... Beplate claims his masks do better thanks to a coating that reacts to contaminants at the mask surface. He says that electric charges within the nanoparticle coating and among a contaminant react, rendering the contaminant inactive. > > " It works kind of like a magnet, " Beplate said... > > Beplate has not submitted his masks for CDC or NIOSH ratings because he wants to maintain intellectual privacy but he says an independent laboratory, Laboratories in Salt Lake City, has tested the product and found it is 99.99 percent effective at filtering particles as small as 0.027 microns. The laboratory is registered under the Food and Drug Administration. > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 According to the website " NanoMask® designed by Emergency Filtration Products, has been tested down to 27 nanometers or .027 microns. " The problem lies only in the amount of mycotoxin floating around independent of the spore it was designed to protect. According to my understanding, even if the mold is dead and gone, the mycotoxin doesn't go away. Those particles can be very much smaller than the spore size, and could easily pass through even the most efficient filtering. Perhaps someone has a better understanding of the mycotoxin after mold phenomenon, but as far as whole spores are concerned, this mask should do the trick. The following table shows mold spore sizes and the filter recommended to remove them. Minimum efficiency reporting value (MERV) is an industry standard used to denote what size particles will be retained by the filter. The higher the number, the more minute particles will be filtered out. See http://www.camfilfarr.info/ for details. Mold/Fungi Diameter Filter Selection (microns) (MERV) Phialophora spp. 1.5 13 Exophiala jeanselmei 2 13 Acremonium spp. 2.5 9 Geomyces pannorum 3 7 Histoplasma capsulatum 3 7 Paecilomyces variotii 3 7 Wallemia sebi 3 7 Emericella nidulans 3.3 7 Penicillium spp. 3.3 7 Phoma spp. 3.3 7 Aspergillus spp. 3.5 6 Absidia corymbifera 3.8 6 Coccidioides immitis 4 6 Trichoderma spp. 4.1 6 Aureobasidium pullulans 5 6 Chaetomium globosum 5.5 6 Cryptococcus neoformans 5.5 6 Stachybotrys spp. 5.7 6 Eurotium spp. 5.8 6 Scopulariopsis spp. 6 6 Sporothrix schenckii 6.5 6 Botrytis cinera 7 6 Mucor plumbeus 7.5 6 Rhizopus stolonifer 8 6 Cladosporium spp. 9 6 Hetminthosporium 12.5 6 Blastomyces dermatiitidis 14 6 Rhodoturula spp. 14 6 Alternaria alternata 14.4 6 Ulociadium spp. 15 6 Epicoccum nigrum 20 6 Paracoccidioides brasilensis 23 6 > > > > > > Would likely work for mold spores, too... > > > > > > The NanoMask > > > > Blocks and Kills... the Bird Flu Virus > > ... and many other viruses and bacteria. > > > > http://www.2hdistributors.com/ > > > > > > FAQs >> > > http://www.2hdistributors.com/index/mn28987/Nano_Mask_FAQs > > > > > > Bird Flu Concerns Make Masks Hot Commodity > > There's No Epidemic Yet, But Some Want to Be Ready > > By AMANDA ONION -- ABC News -- Oct. 6, 2005 >> > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Health/print?id=1182529 > > > > === excerpt: > > > > " We currently are attempting to produce between 100,000 and > 200,000 masks a week, " said Doug Beplate, founder and president of > Emergency Filtration Products, based in , Nev. " Now > they're going out as soon as we make them. I don't see us catching > up to the demand in the near future. " > > > > ... Beplate claims his masks do better thanks to a coating that > reacts to contaminants at the mask surface. He says that electric > charges within the nanoparticle coating and among a contaminant > react, rendering the contaminant inactive. > > > > " It works kind of like a magnet, " Beplate said... > > > > Beplate has not submitted his masks for CDC or NIOSH ratings > because he wants to maintain intellectual privacy but he says an > independent laboratory, Laboratories in Salt Lake City, has > tested the product and found it is 99.99 percent effective at > filtering particles as small as 0.027 microns. The laboratory is > registered under the Food and Drug Administration. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I think of it as gaseous but never read that. That is my own image. Does anyone know if it is a gas? If it is gas, I would think it would need something that would absorb like activated charcoal filter. I put charcoal filter material over the cold air return in my home. Mostly because there was a chemical spill near here but then I left it there and will replace it every six months or so. --- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@v...> wrote: > ( The NanoMask could be be employing an electrostatic type > of nano-particulate entrapment method. (The actual method > is currently proprietary, while patents are pending.) > > If it is electrostatic, many or most NON-gaseous mycotoxins > could be filtered by the NanoMask -- at least in theory. ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Have changed computers due to cross contamination with mycotoxins, so cannot share 9 months of research, ask other moldies afflicted with mycotoxins. Refer to Shoemaker book, says mycotoxins can go from your nose to your brain without the need of a blood vessele. Yes they go through things. Definitly all the things listed below, and everything else that I owned, and sheet rock, plastic, wood. > Go through what things ? > > Cracks? Pores? Filters? > Water-based Paint? Oil-based Paint? > Shellac? Urethane finishes? Epoxy-paint? > Glass? Polyethylene? Polycarbonate? > Silicone caulking? > > > More information appreciated... > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Mycotoxins such as trichothecenes are very low in molecular weight (250 to 500 daltons). A dalton is roughly equivalent to one carbon atom inside the molecule -- so about 250 to 500 carbon atoms in the chain or structure. This is extremely small, consider it a gas, like a radioactive gas! Which means it can penetrate or deeply lodge / adhere / adsorb into anything porous. And even on " non-porous " surfaces such as steel or ceramic, can bind at the surface. http://www.nbc-med.org/SiteContent/MedRef/OnlineRef/FieldManuals/medman/Mycotoxi\ ns.htm --Bill Croft > > ( The NanoMask could be be employing an electrostatic type > > of nano-particulate entrapment method. (The actual method > > is currently proprietary, while patents are pending.) > > > > If it is electrostatic, many or most NON-gaseous mycotoxins > > could be filtered by the NanoMask -- at least in theory. ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 It may be that you have not been treated to the thrill of a large mycotoxin release, so have no personel experience with the baffeling nature of mycotoxins. The state of testing for them is also in its infancy. There have been reports of walls so tightly sealed that there were no spores in the interior, yet the people sick from mycotoxins from the colonies in the walls. I have had clothes tightly sealed in plastic inside locked trunks ruined by mycotoxins. and on and on. > Herpes simplex virus can travel from a lip, through a nerve, > to reach the brain (and travel back again), so this does sound > very possible. > > I wonder if mycotoxins are virus-like (complex protein structures), > or are they simply molecules, which may evaporate to gas phase ? > ...or both ? > > > >Yes they go through things. Definitly all the things listed below, > >and everything else that I owned, and sheet rock, plastic, wood. > > > Mold can grow through damp sheet rock and wood (and some paints), > to release spores and mycotoxins from other surfaces. However, > I have trouble believing that " mycotoxins " (not molds) can pass > " through " dry wood or sheet rock. > > Sheet rock and wood are porous, and make up buildings containing > numerous cracks and seams. No need for mycotoxins (gasses?) to > " go through things " , when there's porous materials with seams. > Spores and mycotoxins will migrate through cracks and seams, > driven by the continuous pumping action of varying atmospheric > pressure and wind pressure. > > Plastics aren't always porous, but plastics frequently collect > a static electrical charge, which then pulls spores (containing > mycotoxins) out of the air, to cling to the plastic. > > And, plastic items have seams (or must be opened), which allow > varying atmospheric pressure to " pump " air containing spores > and mycotoxins into the plastic items. Again, no need for > mycotoxins to " go through things " to get to " the other side " . > > > However, if mycotoxins sometimes really do " go through things " , > I'd like to learn more about it ! > > > Bill > > > > >> Go through what things ? > >> > >> Cracks? Pores? Filters? > >> Water-based Paint? Oil-based Paint? > >> Shellac? Urethane finishes? Epoxy-paint? > >> Glass? Polyethylene? Polycarbonate? > >> Silicone caulking? > >> > >> More information appreciated... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 This back and forth is tiresome. Maybe you could benefit from reading some of the archives on this issue, it would illucidate it better than I can- and yes there are mold spores everywhere- but not toxigenic ones > > There are always mold spores in any " interior " (except maybe > in industrial clean rooms). Leakage comes " around " the wall > -- through cracks AROUND the floor, windows, doors, lights, > switches, outlets, pipes, ducts, counters, and cabinets -- > easier than through the wall, although that is possible if > the wall's materials and finish are vapor permeable. > > > >, yet the people sick from mycotoxins from the colonies in the > >walls. I have had clothes tightly sealed in plastic inside > >locked trunks ruined by mycotoxins. and on and on. > > > Obviously: wrong type of plastic, and/or, wrong type of seal. > > Had you used vapor-impervious plastic, 100% heat-sealed closed, > there would have been no problem. > > Daily barometric-pressure changes and temperature changes > will cause " pumping " of gasses (including mycotoxins) into a > plastic bag (even inside a locked trunk), if the plastic is > not vapor-impervious, and the seal is not welded (heat-sealed) > 100% closed. > > > Bill > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Caron, Do you send your things off to be tested for toxins or do you depend on symptoms to determine exposure? thanks barbb --- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: > > It may be that you have not been treated to the thrill of a large > mycotoxin release, so have no personel experience with the baffeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Testing for mycotoxins is in its infancy. I started out by totally washing everything I was going to keep, thinking that would remove any spores, it probably did. Then I started the long learning curve on mycotoxins, long before I found this site. The response I then had was an instant burning ,first on the tongue, then on my other skin areas- this tells me The item is contaminated. If I remain , I start going down-feeling very sick. tests by checking for cappillary hyper- profusion- you can find a good explanation for this in one of last months posts- I have been unable to duplicate the fine-tuned testing he is able to do, and must rely on the skin burning- perhaps in the future I will be able to apply his technique > Caron, > Do you send your things off to be tested for toxins or do you depend > on symptoms to determine exposure? thanks barbb > > > > > > It may be that you have not been treated to the thrill of a large > > mycotoxin release, so have no personel experience with the baffeling > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Bill, Would a heat sealed seam be like one makes with those 'food saver' machines? The plastic used is pretty heavy also but I don't know they would big large enough for clothing but pictures or papers perhaps. --- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@v...> wrote: > Obviously: wrong type of plastic, and/or, wrong type of seal. > > Had you used vapor-impervious plastic, 100% heat-sealed closed, > there would have been no problem. > > Daily barometric-pressure changes and temperature changes > will cause " pumping " of gasses (including mycotoxins) into a > plastic bag (even inside a locked trunk), if the plastic is > not vapor-impervious, and the seal is not welded (heat-sealed) > 100% closed. > > > Bill > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Unless you have scientific evidence to the contrary, it would be wise to ere on the side of safety when advising people what they can and can't do safely. My purpose is not to win a pissing contest with you on the nature of mycotoxins, only to say that recommending a mask to people, which is what started this thread, on the basis that it could filter out mycotoxins is best not done. To demean peoples experiences as " terrifying myths " is reprhensible on a support group. It is not at all " energizing " to expose oneself yet again to a debilitating toxin. > > Labs only test for a few types of mold (and/or mycotoxins), so > saying that toxigenic mold spores are not present is guesswork. > > It should be energizing to escape from the terrifying myth that > mycotoxins " can go through things " , when that is a rather fuzzy > and distorted representation of the facts -- except in specific, > scientifically-predictable cases. Science evolves. Once the > specifics are known, people can take informed action to avoid > (and reverse) damage to their health and property. > > Sorry to hear that you, also had problems. > > > Bill > > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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