Fibromyalgia

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Dear Arrow,

Fibromyalgia refers to pain in the muscles and fibrous connective tissue of

the joints, tendons and ligaments.

The cause is a general buildup of toxins in the body, especially the liver,

and can be induced by prescription drugs.

It can be aggravated by many things, such as cold, dampness, viruses,

bacteria, toxemia, trauma and emotional stress.

The liver loses some of its ability to convert lactic acid to glycogen,

resulting in pain in the muscles as the lactic acid crystallizes, and a lack

of energy.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Fibermyalgia

I'm looking for opinions on the cause of fibermyalgia.

Thanks

Arrow

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Gail, Maybe we should discriminate between 'cause' and 'trigger'. The mycoplasma

in the body will get it's chance when other factors compromise the immune

system. A yeast problem very much will do this, barbiturates (coffee) have a bad

influence on the breathing of the cells and also will do this, although to a

lesser extent.

The medical genius Arcadiy Beliavchev, with whom I had a health centre in

Holland, told each and every of our cancer/aids patients not ever to take coffee

again (or meat, by the way).

I am treating all my (big) dogs for Leish Donovani, caused by protozoa (one

celled animals). I have an extensive protocol of treatment, but thought that 95%

of the success (developments were really good) was because of the 8 (eight ! )

hours of zapping per day, with a mix (several zappers per dog) of Zappers,

Beck BE's and 'Zillas'.

Palm Oil - with coconut oil known for the killing of ALL pathogens - is also

part of the protocol and a week ago I ran out of it. I hope to have it soon

again, but - to my shock and surprise - the condition of the dogs is clearly

deteriorating again. Means: I underestimated the effect of this oil to a major

extent.

Considering the fact that apparently Palm Oil can properly take care of these

terrible and very tough pathogens as protozoa, I think it should be part of our

diet and definitely be part of the protocol for most dieseases. DCH

[Provavel SPAM] Re: FIBROMYALGIA

Hi Dirk,

I think it is sometimes caused by different reasons. I also think

it's nice if we can pin-point the reason so that proper treatment can

be done. For instance, I've heard of several that have been

diagnosed with fibromyalgia with all the pressure points effected

that have recovered by addressing an underlining candida problem. In

their case, it was due to candida. Also, in the woman I mentioned,

her case was due to an allergy to coffee. These things are nice to

know because the knowledge will then give us a better understanding

as how to treat it. If the woman I mentioned kept drinking coffee

and couldn't understand why she couldn't get over her fibromyalgia,

it would have been an unprofitable senerio.

I suppose ultimately it is the immune system that does the healing

anyway. So for that we would all have to get it in tip-top working

shape which would include the liver, bowel, kidney, lymphatic system,

and gut working. Addressing all of the above, along with refraining

from any food allergy one might have, would seem to me be very

beneficial to me.

Gail

>

> Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatique Syndrome are BOTH caused by the

MYCOPLASMA that is causing HIV/AIDS, although be it in a weaker form.

>

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Hi Dirk,

I think it is sometimes caused by different reasons. I also think

it's nice if we can pin-point the reason so that proper treatment can

be done. For instance, I've heard of several that have been

diagnosed with fibromyalgia with all the pressure points effected

that have recovered by addressing an underlining candida problem. In

their case, it was due to candida. Also, in the woman I mentioned,

her case was due to an allergy to coffee. These things are nice to

know because the knowledge will then give us a better understanding

as how to treat it. If the woman I mentioned kept drinking coffee

and couldn't understand why she couldn't get over her fibromyalgia,

it would have been an unprofitable senerio.

I suppose ultimately it is the immune system that does the healing

anyway. So for that we would all have to get it in tip-top working

shape which would include the liver, bowel, kidney, lymphatic system,

and gut working. Addressing all of the above, along with refraining

from any food allergy one might have, would seem to me be very

beneficial to me.

Gail

>

> Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatique Syndrome are BOTH caused by the

MYCOPLASMA that is causing HIV/AIDS, although be it in a weaker form.

>

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And let's not forget to mention that it is completely curable.

Sherri-Lee

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http://www.aloeessence.com

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From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On Behalf Of

Saul Pressman

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:13 PM

oxyplus

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

Dear Arrow,

Fibromyalgia refers to pain in the muscles and fibrous connective tissue of

the joints, tendons and ligaments.

The cause is a general buildup of toxins in the body, especially the liver,

and can be induced by prescription drugs.

It can be aggravated by many things, such as cold, dampness, viruses,

bacteria, toxemia, trauma and emotional stress.

The liver loses some of its ability to convert lactic acid to glycogen,

resulting in pain in the muscles as the lactic acid crystallizes, and a lack

of energy.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Fibermyalgia

I'm looking for opinions on the cause of fibermyalgia.

Thanks

Arrow

[Guest guest]

Sherri Lee and all.

I would assume that ozone therpay would be the choice treatment along with

other herbal and mineral supplements.

Has anyone helped to cure fibromyalgia with ozone? What protocol did you

use?

Arrow

n oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman <sherri--lee@...> wrote:

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> And let's not forget to mention that it is completely curable.

>

>

>

> Sherri-Lee

>

> Need safe and natural health products?

>

> http://www.aloeessence.com

>

> _____

>

> From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On

Behalf Of

> Saul Pressman

> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:13 PM

> oxyplus

> Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

>

>

>

> Dear Arrow,

>

> Fibromyalgia refers to pain in the muscles and fibrous connective tissue of

> the joints, tendons and ligaments.

>

> The cause is a general buildup of toxins in the body, especially the liver,

> and can be induced by prescription drugs.

>

> It can be aggravated by many things, such as cold, dampness, viruses,

> bacteria, toxemia, trauma and emotional stress.

>

> The liver loses some of its ability to convert lactic acid to glycogen,

> resulting in pain in the muscles as the lactic acid crystallizes, and a lack

> of energy.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

> Fibermyalgia

>

> I'm looking for opinions on the cause of fibermyalgia.

> Thanks

> Arrow

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ilario,

Dailey was kind enough to share with me the attached journal article on fibromyalgia, which may be helpful for you.

The one individual with fibromyalgia who I've trained reported a signficant decrease in pain in one area of her body, though she'd sought my help for reasons other than pain reduction--it was a nice side effect. Unfortunately, I have nothing enlightening to say about her EEG, because it was affected by the multiple meds she took, which lowered her peak alpha to an alarming 6.5-7 Hz.

Tamera

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Kayiran S, et al (2010) - Neurofeedback intervention in fibromyalgia syndrome - A randomized, controlled, rater blind trial.pdf

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Swingle states that a Theta/alpha EC ratio of <0.8 is a posible marker. Mark Baddeley

Fibromyalgia

Hi,What is the typical EEG of someone who soffers Fibromyalgia?Can be cured with NFB?Thanks, ilario

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Ilario I have trained several people with fibro. All made some improvement but a cure was not in the program.Each client had their own particular assessment profile. I found that Roshi or QDS photostim worked well for the "fibro fog" Results for pain control were more variable. I did some teaching about breathing and had them use the Thought Tech Easy Air program while in the office.I have also done some hypnotic work for pain control.On Oct 10, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Ilario Remi wrote:Hi,What is the typical EEG of someone who soffers Fibromyalgia?Can be cured with NFB?Thanks, ilario

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Ilario

I read somewhere that pain is not modulated from the sensorimotor strip. I would also incorporate training of Fz. There is an MRI feedback study that helped control pain from FZ. Additionally I would examine the Swingle ratio at this site.

Mark

Re: Fibromyalgia

Ilario

I have trained several people with fibro. All made some improvement but a cure was not in the program.

Each client had their own particular assessment profile. I found that Roshi or QDS photostim worked well for the "fibro fog" Results for pain control were more variable. I did some teaching about breathing and had them use the Thought Tech Easy Air program while in the office.

I have also done some hypnotic work for pain control.

On Oct 10, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Ilario Remi wrote:

Hi,What is the typical EEG of someone who soffers Fibromyalgia?Can be cured with NFB?Thanks, ilario

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Doug, How do you get access to all this literiture and how do you find it? It's amazing!

Bruce

Fibromyalgia

Ilario Remi writes, "What is the typical EEG of someone who suffers fibromyalgia? Can it be cured with NFB?"

The most recent description of the EEG in fibromyalgia was published 3 months ago by Hargrove, et al. In general, the authors find 1) reduced low- to mid frequency power frontally, 2) elevated frontocentral high frequency power, and frontal hypocoherence, particularly in low-to mid-frequency spectra [1].

While Hargrove, et al (2010), may be the most recent description of the fibromyalgia EEG, The studies by son, et al (1998, 2003) are probably the most widely known [2,3]. Cory Hammond (2003) summarizes the findings [4]: Delta was low in all FM groups. Those with the greatest psychological distress and reduced cognitive efficiency had their alpha slowed into the theta range. [see note below] Those with the least pain and psychological distress had the greatest alpha power with relatively little theta relative power.

Clearly these descriptions differ, a point we will come back to in a moment. Neither point to the reliable findings of alpha sleep disturbance. The sleep EEG shows 3 patterns of intrusive alpha in non-REM sleep. Phasic alpha sleep (alpha which appears with delta) is associated with more fatigue and pain upon awakening, a symptom which has caused fibromyalgia to be considered as a type of chronic fatigue syndrome. [5].

Even these replicable sleep findings cause dispute. Within months of each other in 2009 some authors argue that the EEG based sleep disturbances are directly involved in the pathogenesis of fibromyalgia [6], and others state that heart rate variability "HRV analyses showed more promise, as they suggested both increased sympathetic activity and decreased complexity of autonomic nervous system function in FM" [7].

The role of HRV in fibromyalgia makes sense in light of Critchley's finding that "the low frequency component of heart rate variability, reflecting to a large extent sympathetic neural influences on the heart, positively correlated with changes in neural activity within dorsal cingulate... and bilateral insula cortex [8]. Critchley relates the right insular cortex to anxiety, limbic, and autonomic activation related to perception of visceral function [9]. This is part of the network damaged by early social trauma [10]. And, in fact, , et al (1998) reported that " Fifty-seven percent of FM patients reported a history of sexual/physical abuse." [11].

I want to discuss the dissimilar EEG findings described above. It may be significant that several studies have shown that in fibromyalgia patients, the EEG can become sensitized by exposures to environmental pollutants and even sucrose [12,13,14].

Equally interesting is Montoya, et al (2006) who discuss "reduced brain habituation to somatosensory stimulation in patients with fibromyalgia". Their conclusion is in "FM patients, there is abnormal information processing, which may be characterized by a lack of inhibitory control to repetitive nonpainful somatosensory information during stimulus coding and cognitive evaluation." [15].

Montoya mentions lack of inhibitory somatosensory control. In 1977, Barry Sterman stated that prolonged training of the SMR response could result in sustained and protective enhancement of inhibitory regulation [16]. In 1996 he went on to say, "Voluntary production of the SMR, therefore, requires the animal to effectively stabilize or suppress somatosensory proprioceptive input while remaining generally attentive [17].

In related studies, Egner and Gruzelier (2001) stated, "SMR training may lead to increased inhibitory activity in thalamic nuclei interacting with somatosensory and sensorimotor cortex." [18]

These works were cited by Kayiran et al (2007) as the basis for their initial successful clinical trial of SMR neurofeedback for fibromyalgia (N=3) [19], and then their 2010 randomized controlled blinded trial showing the effectiveness of SMR neurofeedback in fibromyalgia syndrome [20].

Most exciting to me is the publication 2 months ago of Napadow, et al, [21] who showed that the presentation in fibromyalgia is based on disturbed switching between the default mode network (DMN) and the executive attention network (EAN) of the brain. I predict that within one year we will have proof that neurofeedback normalizes network switching.

Incidentally, Napadow was co-author of two articles implicating excess glutamate levels in the insula as a factor in pathogenesis of fibromyalgia [22,23]. Consumption of glutamate has skyrocketed now that it has been relabeled as "spices" and "natural flavor". The main natural antagonist of glutamate in the brain is glutathione. Glutathione is becoming progressively reduced in human brains due to genetic, epigenetic, and dietary factors. In my opinion, the glutamate-glutathione relation is a major factor in explaining those situations in which neurofeedback does not work as expected. [24]

In general, it is better to treat what you find than what you are looking for. This can be done by using an established instrument such as the TLC assessment. Also, fibromyalgia can have many coexisting problems, some of which may be more important to evaluate immediately.

Best wishes,

Dailey

Notes:

"had their alpha slowed into the theta range". In my opinion, this is not slowed alpha as we normally consider it. Usually, slowed peak alpha frequency is associated with cerebrovascular disorders, hypothyroidism, or medications, and it is only slowed by perhaps 1 Hz. What is being seen in fibromyalgia is more likely related to the concept that alpha is actually 3 bands, 6-8 Hz, 8-10 Hz, and 10-12 Hz. Hi alpha (10-12 Hz) is generated in the precuneous (around Pz) and is associated with self referential semantic processing. Mid alpha (8-10 Hz) is generated in the occiput and is associated with expectation. Low alpha 6-8 Hz, appears with profound states of detachment. This would make sense in that the FM client can not regulate network switching and is being flooded by sensations. A good reference for the 3-band alpha is concept is Aftanas [25].

References:

[1] Hargrove JB, et al (2010) - Quantitative electroencephalographic abnormalities in fibromyalgia patients. Clin EEG Neurosci. 2010 Jul;41(3):132-9.

[2] son C, et al, (1998) - Fibromyalgia: A retrospective study of 252 consecutive referrals. Canadian Journal of Clinical Medicine, 5(6), 116-127.

[3] son, M., et al (2003) - QEEG patterns, psychological status and pain reports of fibromyalgia sufferers. American Journal of Pain Management, 13(2), 1-27.

[4] Hammond DC (2006) - Quantitative electroencephalography patterns associated with medical conditions Biofeedback Volume 34, Issue 3, pp. 87-94

[5] Roizenblatt S, et al (2001) - Alpha sleep characteristics in fibromyalgia. Arthritis & Rheumatism, Vol. 44, No. 1, January 2001, pp 222–230.

[6] Moldofsky H. The significance of dysfunctions of the sleeping/waking brain to the pathogenesis and treatment of fibromyalgia syndrome. Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 2009 May;35(2):275-83.

[7] Chervin RD, et al (2009) - Objective measures of disordered sleep in fibromyalgia. J Rheumatology, 2009 Sep;36(9):2009-16. Epub 2009 Aug 14

[8] Critchley HD, et al (2003) - Human cingulate cortex and autonomic cardiovascular control: converging neuroimaging and clinical evidence. Brain 216, 2139–2156.

[9] Critchley HD, et al (2010) - Dissecting axes of autonomic control in humans: Insights from neuroimaging. Autonomic Neuroscience: Basic and Clinical. Article in Press.

[10] Schore AN (2003) - Affect dysregulation and disorders of the self. WW Norton & Company, NY.

[11] RW, et al (1998) - Sexual and physical abuse in women with fibromyalgia: association with outpatient health care utilization and pain medication usage. Arthritis Care Res. 1998 Apr;11(2):102-15.

[12] Bell IR, et al (2001) - EEG beta 1 oscillation and sucrose sensitization in fibromyalgia with chemical intolerance. Int J Neurosci. 2001 Aug;108(1-2):31-42.

[13] Bell IR, et al (1999) - Patterns of waking EEG spectral power in chemically intolerant individuals during repeated chemical exposures. Int J Neurosci. 1999 Mar;97(1-2):41-59.

[14] Bell IR, et a; (1998) - Illness from low levels of environmental chemicals: relevance to chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. Am J Med. 1998 Sep 28;105(3A):74S-82S.

[15] Montoya P, et al (2006) - Reduced brain habituation to somatosensory stimulation in patients with fibromyalgia. Arthritis Rheum. Jun;54(6):1995-2003.

[16] Sterman MB (1977) - Effects of sensorimotor EEG feedback training on sleep and clinical manifestations of epilepsy. In Beatty J & Legewie H (Eds.), Biofeedback and Behavior. New York, Plenum.

[17] Sterman MB (1996) - Physiological origins and functional correlates of EEG rhythmic activities - Implications for self-regulation. Biofeedback and Self-Regulation, Vol. 21, No 1, 1996.

[18] Egner T, et al (2001) - Learned self-regulation of EEG frequency components affects attention and event-related brain potentials in humans. Neuroreport. Vol 12 No 18 21 December 2001.

[19] Kayiran S, et al (2007) - Neurofeedback in fibromyalgia syndrome. The Journal of the Turkish Society of Algology, Agri, 2007 Jul; 19(3):47-53

[20] Kayiran S, et al (2010) - Neurofeedback intervention in fibromyalgia syndrome - A randomized, controlled, rater blind trial. Applied Psychophysiology and Biofeedback, Published online: 08 July 2010.

[21] Napadow V, et al (2010) - Intrinsic brain connectivity in fibromyalgia is associated with chronic pain intensity. Arthritis Rheum. 2010 Aug;62(8):2545-55.

[22] RE, et al (2009) - Elevated insular glutamate in fibromyalgia is associated with experimental pain. Arthritis & Rheumatism. Vol. 60, No. 10, October 2009, pp 3146–3152

[23] Valdes M, et al (2010) - Increased glutamate-glutamine compounds in the brains of patients with fibromyalgia - A magnetic resonance spectroscopy study. Arthritis & Rheumatism. Vol. 62, No. 6, June 2010, pp 1829–1836

[24] Dailey D (2009) - A theory of synaptic recidivism. Privately published. www.cortexercise.com.

[25] Aftanas LI, et al (2001) - Human anterior and frontal midline theta and lower alpha reflect emotionally positive state and internallized attention - High-resolution EEG investigation of meditation. Neuroscience Letters 310 (2001) 57-60.

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Hi Everyone,

I just recently purchased a vitamix and am interested in a raw food diet to improve my health.

My wife has fibromyalgia, muscle and joint pain,chronic fatigue, insomnia. I was wondering if anybody has this condition and how they have improved this condition by improving it with a raw food diet and smoothies.

Are there any vitamix recepies that you recomend for this condition? Any certain foods that we should put in our smoothies everyday to help?

I have been making a green smoothie everyday but her coniditon does not seem to be improving much

Any helpful information would be appreciated

Thanks

Jim