Testosterone

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I am just jumping in and I apologize for doing so, but my son is on

Lupon and we are seeing some very positive things.

On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:35 PM, markautismcharge wrote:

> Yes, research Mark Geirs studyies and his Lupron protocol.

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> > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8 years

> old and starting puberty.

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> > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

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> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

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Bondank

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I think it's good for any kid with autism to have testosterone levels

checked.

Debi

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Another thought here, if you're not already using hormone free milk

and dairy in your home, this might be another thing to consider doing.

Below is info from mercola.com on some of the problems with dairy

cows treated with genetically engineered or recombinant bovine growth

hormone cows and the milk they produce - most notably the possible

induction of premature growth.

" The Problem With Milk

Milk and dairy products from cows treated with the genetically

engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH) contain an increased amount

of the hormone IGF-1 -- one of the highest risk factors associated

with *** and prostate cancer.

The Council on Scientific Affairs of the American Medical Association

called for more studies to determine if ingesting " higher than normal

concentrations of [iGF-1] is safe for children, adolescents, and

adults. "

Sam Epstein, M.D., Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition and

author of eight books, wrote, " rbGH and its digested products could

be absorbed from milk into blood, particularly in infants, and

produce hormonal and allergic effects. "

He described how " cell-stimulating growth factors ... could induce

premature growth and *** stimulation in infants, and possibly promote

*** cancer in adults. "

Dr. Epstein pointed out that the hormones in cows could promote the

production of " steroids and adrenaline-type stressor chemicals ...

likely to contaminate milk and may be harmful, particularly to

infants and young children. "

from:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/pages/are-your-children-

risking-their-health-with-genetically-engineered-foods.aspx

[Guest guest]

interesting.... second case i've heard from two Autism

message boards about 8 year old entering early

puberty. In this case a boy and on another board, a

girl...... what's going on?

--- donald bondank <donald@...> wrote:

> I am just jumping in and I apologize for doing so,

> but my son is on

> Lupon and we are seeing some very positive things.

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> On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:35 PM, markautismcharge wrote:

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> > Yes, research Mark Geirs studyies and his Lupron

> protocol.

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> >

> > >

> > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level

> checked? He's 8 years

> > old and starting puberty.

> > >

> > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

> > > Toledo, Ohio

> > > visit http://www.asno.org

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> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

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> Bondank

> www.goodbrains.com

> 913-908-8315

>

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hi..what is lupon???????? thanks.. LiaGet a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.

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High levels of testosterone in these autistic boys.phaedra cichanski <izvestiaca@...> wrote: interesting.... second case i've heard from two Autismmessage boards about 8 year old entering earlypuberty. In this case a boy and on another board, agirl...... what's going on?--- donald bondank <donaldgoodbrains> wrote:> I am just jumping in and I apologize for doing so,> but my son is on > Lupon and we are seeing some very positive

things.> > > > > > On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:35 PM, markautismcharge wrote:> > > Yes, research Mark Geirs studyies and his Lupron> protocol.> >> > > > >> > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level> checked? He's 8 years> > old and starting puberty.> > >> > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt> > > Toledo, Ohio> > > visit http://www.asno.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Got a little couch potato?> > > Check out fun summer

activities for kids.> > >> >> > > Bondank> www.goodbrains.com> 913-908-8315> Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.

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The elevated mercury somehow causes testosterone to be produced

early instead of DHEA. The mercury bonds in some sort of

testosterone " sheets " which makes it difficult to remove even with

chelation. You lower testoerone Lupron and I think you start

chelating and get better success. Don't quote me on this. Check out

the Geirs video on the autismmedia.org site. Then look at all the

Geier bashing on the internet.

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> > > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level

> > checked? He's 8 years

> > > old and starting puberty.

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> > > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

> > > > Toledo, Ohio

> > > > visit http://www.asno.org

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> > > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

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> > Bondank

> > www.goodbrains.com

> > 913-908-8315

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high levels of testosterone in the some of the girls too

mine has it!

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> High levels of testosterone in these autistic boys.

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Right. sorry, didn't mean to exclude the girls.mercurystinx <mercurystinx@...> wrote: high levels of testosterone in the some of the girls toomine has it!>> High levels of testosterone in these autistic boys.

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Tried to find opinions on both sides of the fence. You

decide.

http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2006/03/side-effects-of-armchair-science.html

http://www.autismplanet.com/?page=992

http://www.neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/83/

http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=364

http://mikestanton.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/evidence-of-pharm/

http://www.autismweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37999 & sid=7da352d17d005d37ae00ae0\

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Do you have a link? All I can find are rants by whack-jobs.

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> > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8

years

> old and starting puberty.

> >

> > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

> > Toledo, Ohio

> > visit http://www.asno.org

> >

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> > ---------------------------------

> > Got a little couch potato?

> > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

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hi.. can you also email me privately.. I want to talk to dr. geier... LFMleczko@..... thank you Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.

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Email me off list and I can send you a bunch of papers on the subject given to

me by Dr.

Geier.

The gist of it is that mercury-toxic kids have depleted glutathione... and

glutathione helps

regulate the production of testosterone. When glutathione is low... testosterone

is over-

produced. When testosterone is high, a person's mercury burden is more toxic to

the

nervous system than it would be otherwise... because testosterone and mercury

are

synergistically toxic.

Lowering testosterone helps to raise glutathione levels... which helps to

eliminate heavy

metals.

The lupron protocol is not an autism cure... but a great treatment for kids with

this problem...

and the benefits are numerous. My daughter has made gains she just couldn't

prior to this

protocol. And she's healthier and HAPPIER than she's ever been since she

regressed at 15

months of age.

> > >

> > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8

> years

> > old and starting puberty.

> > >

> > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

> > > Toledo, Ohio

> > > visit http://www.asno.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > >

> >

>

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I gave her geier's e-mail address. He always responds right away and will gave her lots of info. maurine Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: Email me off list and I can send you a bunch of papers on the subject given to me by Dr. Geier.The gist of it is that mercury-toxic kids have depleted glutathione... and glutathione helps regulate the production of testosterone. When glutathione is low... testosterone is over-produced. When testosterone is high, a person's mercury

burden is more toxic to the nervous system than it would be otherwise... because testosterone and mercury are synergistically toxic.Lowering testosterone helps to raise glutathione levels... which helps to eliminate heavy metals.The lupron protocol is not an autism cure... but a great treatment for kids with this problem... and the benefits are numerous. My daughter has made gains she just couldn't prior to this protocol. And she's healthier and HAPPIER than she's ever been since she regressed at 15 months of age.> > >> > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8 > years> > old and starting puberty.> > > > > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt > > > Toledo, Ohio> > > visit http://www.asno.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Got a little couch potato? > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.> > >> >>

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EriK,

What kind of testosterone test should I ask for? Total or free

testosterone? Blood or saliva best??

Thanks

Houston, Tx---

In EOHarm , " Nanstiel " <erik@...> wrote:

>

> Email me off list and I can send you a bunch of papers on the

subject given to me by Dr.

> Geier.

>

> The gist of it is that mercury-toxic kids have depleted

glutathione... and glutathione helps

> regulate the production of testosterone. When glutathione is low...

testosterone is over-

> produced. When testosterone is high, a person's mercury burden is

more toxic to the

> nervous system than it would be otherwise... because testosterone

and mercury are

> synergistically toxic.

>

> Lowering testosterone helps to raise glutathione levels... which

helps to eliminate heavy

> metals.

>

> The lupron protocol is not an autism cure... but a great treatment

for kids with this problem...

> and the benefits are numerous. My daughter has made gains she just

couldn't prior to this

> protocol. And she's healthier and HAPPIER than she's ever been

since she regressed at 15

> months of age.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8

> > years

> > > old and starting puberty.

> > > >

> > > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt

> > > > Toledo, Ohio

> > > > visit http://www.asno.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Got a little couch potato?

> > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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did you get the wfaa vids I Emailed you ? JOE ---------------------------TX Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: Email me off list and I can send you a bunch of papers on the subject given to me by Dr. Geier.The gist of it is that mercury-toxic kids have depleted glutathione... and glutathione helps regulate the production of testosterone. When glutathione is low... testosterone is over-produced. When testosterone is high, a person's mercury burden is more toxic to the

nervous system than it would be otherwise... because testosterone and mercury are synergistically toxic.Lowering testosterone helps to raise glutathione levels... which helps to eliminate heavy metals.The lupron protocol is not an autism cure... but a great treatment for kids with this problem... and the benefits are numerous. My daughter has made gains she just couldn't prior to this protocol. And she's healthier and HAPPIER than she's ever been since she regressed at 15 months of age.> > >> > > Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8 > years> > old and starting puberty.> > > > > > Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt > > > Toledo, Ohio> > > visit http://www.asno.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Got a little couch potato? > > > Check out fun summer activities for kids.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Just remember the onset of puberty can start as early as 8 or 9 and it be normal. Granted, it's not the norm, but it is on the very low end of what could be considered normal. Have his levels checked but don't automatically assume something is wrong.

GeorgaOn 8/23/07, Kurt Carolyn and Little Kurt <thefitzenreiterfamily@...> wrote:

Is there a good reason to get my son's level checked? He's 8 years old and starting puberty. Kurt, Carolyn, and Little Kurt Toledo, Ohio visit http://www.asno.org Got a little couch potato?

Check out fun summer activities for kids.

-- Georga

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I'm 52, and I've been Poz for over 25 years. I started taking testosterone supplements via Androgel probably about 5 years ago and switched to shots about three years ago.

The benefits to my health; muscle mass, energy levels, psychological benefits. I felt old and tired in my late 40s, and I couldn't put on muscle mass at the gym. In fact, despite long, regular workouts, I was losing mass. I was experiencing some wasting. If you're a regular in this group, you know how devastating wasting can be and how important muscle mass appears to be for those of us who are Poz. Testosterone has essentially staved off that decline and allowed me to make progress. I have more physical and mental energy; that helps me keep at the workouts. There's much less of a problem with depression.

I'm not saying that everyone should jump onto testosterone. I'm just saying that you need a doctor who knows the subject and can address your questions with informed objectivity, instead of ingorance and fear.

Does this help?

Mark

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Testosterone injections are covered by all insurance and medicare part D programs as long as you have a diagnosis of hypogonadism

Hypogonadism could be permanent in many, but it could also be a temporary problem that was caused by disease or lab error.  Have your free testosterone checked again to see if you are indeed hypogonadal. It seems that you may not be ready to adhere to testosterone replacement

Testosterone

I heve been told my testosterone level is low and was put on the gel daily. I don't like the gel and want the shot but I don't know if part D of medicare will pay for the injection. Is there a cure for this condition?

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Testosterone injections are covered by all insurance and medicare part D programs as long as you have a diagnosis of hypogonadism

Hypogonadism could be permanent in many, but it could also be a temporary problem that was caused by disease or lab error.  Have your free testosterone checked again to see if you are indeed hypogonadal. It seems that you may not be ready to adhere to testosterone replacement

Testosterone

I heve been told my testosterone level is low and was put on the gel daily. I don't like the gel and want the shot but I don't know if part D of medicare will pay for the injection. Is there a cure for this condition?

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I usually send women who are struggling with weight loss to a physician,PA, or NP that practices Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy. I have seen very good results and few side effects in women who use this. It's important that the practioner prescribing testosterone do so only based on lab results as too high of a level can potentialy lead to cancer.

testosterone

Hi group,

I think this has been discussed before on the listserve so sorry if I am asking a repeat question. Does anybody have surgeons or MD’s they work with that test testosterone levels in women as a cause of inability to lose weight. I have a patient coming in that they were testing this and would like to have more information.

Does supplementing with this hormone if it is low increase rate of weight loss? My patients problem is lack of physical activity, but, they are trying to look at testosterone. Thanks in advance.

Missy Bizzarro RD, LD

Kettering Health Network

Weight Loss Surgery Department

Kettering, OH 45440

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Thanks . My patients level is 7

(normal 6 to 35). Do you know if they would replace testosterone if the

level was the low end of normal. Are there any good studies on this or papers?

Thanks so much.

Missy Bizzarro

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testosterone

I usually send women who

are struggling with weight loss to a physician,PA, or NP that practices

Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy. I have seen very good results and few

side effects in women who use this. It's important that the practioner prescribing

testosterone do so only based on lab results as too high of a level can

potentialy lead to cancer.

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Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 9:53 am

Subject: testosterone

Hi group,

I think this has been discussed before on

the listserve so sorry if I am asking a repeat question. Does anybody

have surgeons or MD’s they work with that test testosterone levels in women as

a cause of inability to lose weight. I have a patient coming in that they

were testing this and would like to have more information.

Does supplementing with this hormone if

it is low increase rate of weight loss? My patients problem is lack of

physical activity, but, they are trying to look at testosterone. Thanks

in advance.

Missy Bizzarro RD, LD

Kettering Health Network

Weight Loss Surgery Department

Kettering, OH 45440

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From my expereince most practioners that do BIHT would supplement at that level. I've looked for research patients on this and haven't found any. I do know my mom is doing BIHT (including a small amount of testosterone) along with exercise and nutrition and has lost 50 pounds in 4.5 months. I've got other clients on BIHT as well and can defintely see a big difference in results between those women who do and don't use this approach. That being said, I think you need to make sure that whoever you refer patients to does frequent testing to keep hormone in optional ranges but not above the high end as this can defintely lead to health issues.

Rose RD,LD

testosterone

Hi group,

I think this has been discussed before on the listserve so sorry if I am asking a repeat question. Does anybody have surgeons or MD’s they work with that test testosterone levels in women as a cause of inability to lose weight. I have a patient coming in that they were testing this and would like to have more information.

Does supplementing with this hormone if it is low increase rate of weight loss? My patients problem is lack of physical activity, but, they are trying to look at testosterone. Thanks in advance.

Missy Bizzarro RD, LD

Kettering Health Network

Weight Loss Surgery Department

Kettering, OH 45440

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My levels were 198 when I started using Androderm, and after 2 months I swich to Androgel. I will say that I started to feel better after 3 months, when my testosterone leves were around 800. I will recommend book <Testosterone: A Man's Guide>, this book will answer all your questions about testosterone therapy. Good luck to you.

Dan.

From: CaresUsa <kevincaresusa@...>dan daniel <danone1010@...>Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:54:04 PMSubject: Re: Testosterone

My dr is writing me a script for this. My level is just 270. Do you remember what your T level was before you started and what it is now? How long before it kicked in? I have been feeding my depression with an SSRI but I have no Umph still for anything including sex! Ugh!

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On Jul 9, 2011, at 3:20 PM, dan daniel <danone1010@...> wrote:

After 4 months of using Androgel, I can say that I’m feeling 100% much better. I’m feeling much happier, and I have more energy to do things and enjoy life again. The only downside is that I think I will be bold by Christmas. I guess is better to be bold and happy than sad and hairy (lol).

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Dan - consider reducing use. I had the same thinning hair, plus acne on my back, which is a typical side-effect of too much in your blood. I now use it every other day and it's still doing the job. Hair is thinning a bit, but I'm almost 60!

Really helpful drug. - Bill Gaul

Testosterone

After 4 months of using Androgel, I can say that I’m feeling 100% much better. I’m feeling much happier, and I have more energy to do things and enjoy life again. The only downside is that I think I will be bold by Christmas. I guess is better to be bold and happy than sad and hairy (lol).