Re: Sweetener alternatives

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Lea Ann I really don't care if you tell them who I am or give them my email address. I would be happy to discuss this omission with the #1 honcho. I agree that it can be difficult to determine the agenda for people at are pro or con of any position that is why when researching a topic I try to find natural. That is one reason I like the articles on the Mayo Clinic web site. If you didn't read the article on stevia you may want to take a closer look at the FDA concerns since you said previously that you are borderline diabetic. " The FDA hasn't approved whole-leaf stevia or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of concerns about possible health effects. In particular, the FDA has concerns about the effects of stevia on blood sugar control, the kidneys, and the cardiovascular and reproductive systems. " Thank you,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives LOL Tom, I enjoy the exchange of information as well. I always learn something new! For example, because of this discussion, I'm very likely to start growing Stevia - something that had always been on my " to do list " , but now it is finally pushed to the fore… Regarding the FDA and Stevia, check out my page on " Sweeteners and Smoothie Additives " http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ and the section titled " Stevia and the FDA " . Be forewarned that I consider the WHO, the CDC and the FDA to be on par with Monsanto on an ethics scale. I will cc you on my email to Vitamix Customer Service - I have to track down who the #1 honcho is and get his/her email address - do you mind if I forward clips of your statements without your identifying information? TIA Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 28, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Wow Lea Ann I think we opened up a can of worms with our Stevia debate. Actually I find the debate very interesting. I did find a couple of articles from the Mayo Clinic that you may find useful. One is on Stevia and the other is about artificial sweeteners in general. The article on Stevia points out that the FDA has not approved whole leaf or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of the possible health effects. If you look at the bottom of the articles you will also see whole bunch of informative articles on healthy eating. Thanks for relaying my concerns with Vitamix customer service. Let me know what they have to say. Tom http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevia/AN01733 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives I'll try to find an email for Vitamix Customer Service and I'll pass along your concerns to them. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: I have a great one called Living Cookbook http://www.livingcookbook.com/ . What I really like about it is I can copy and paste a recipe in it and it will give all the nutritional information. Now you may have to fiddle around with the ingredients to get the best match in its data base but it works well. My beef with Vitamix is they gave me a glorified version of the Whole Food Cookbook with the Create Recipes Cookbook but while the Whole Food cookbook has the nutritional information listed for each recipe the Create Recipes has none. I wrote in an earlier post I compared my Create Recipe book with the QVC Whole Food book posted on the Links page of our group /links and except for the last 2 chapters the Create is exactly the same but without nutritional information. The point is not that I can look this information up elsewhere my point is why I should have to. You're also right about the carb issues. While most fruits are very nutritious many for the most part they have a lot carbs so a diabetic has to take a close look at the sugars in their smoothies. For example one medium banana has 27 carbs and a cup of spinach has 1. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Velda Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Lea Ann, I find even a tiny part of a packet of stevia based sweetener tastes bitter to me, so I avoid it. Even my husband, a long time coffee drinker who likes sweet in his coffee does not like stevia. As good as the idea is, if one does not like it, no reason to use it .The other point I wanted to make is, Tom's question is valid, diabetics today esp who take insuilin base their medication (insulin) on how many carbs they are eating and it is very helpful to have that information at hand, without having to pull out a book and measure and add up the carbs in each component of a recipe. Obviously in some books which are a compilation of many recipes it takes more time, but there are lots of recipe programs quite capable of calculating nutritional data from the amount and items in a recipe. VM could do that on any recipe, run a calculation on it, without having a scientist make the recipe and run it through a machine to calculate exact nutritional data. So, the way I am reading it, Tom's question is not about sweeteners but about carb counts. Which brings another point, Tom, have you checked online for recipe programs you can type your favorite recipes into and click a button to have them estimate all nutrients? I believe my Now You're Cooking does it, but I have not put it on this new laptop yet, so will have to check and will let you know when I do. VeldaOn 12/27/2011 3:51 PM, Lea Ann Savage wrote: How much did you use? Did you read my page on Stevia? http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ One whole packet will sweeten 3 cups of coffee and most people don't like Stevia because they use the same volume as regular sweeteners (one packet per drink). Some people never like Stevia, but for others, cutting way down on the amount they use helps a lot. This is why I recommend (and carry) liquid Stevia - very easy to measure and count the drops so as not to get too much. Also, if after cutting down the amount, they still don't like stevia, cutting any other " sweetener " in half and using a bit of Stevia seems to hid the taste people don't like, but really boosts the sweetness. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Yes we have tried that one too. They don't seem to like that one very much in fact I think I still have the remainder of the box of it in the closet. I didn't care for it either. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto:V! itamixEnthusiasts ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Vita Mix 103 Hello Tom, Have you tried Stevia with your granddaughters? It is more natural than most sugar substitutes and might not have the same effects. (I know that I have the same reaction to zylitol as your granddaughters but never to Stevia). Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Lea Ann I have two granddaughters with type 1 diabetes, the oldest is 12 andshe has had it since she was one and the other is seven and has had diabetesfor a! bout a year now. As you know it can be challenging for parents to havetheir children eat a balanced diet when healthy it is really difficult forchildren with diabetes. My daughter handles it this way she is concernedwith mainly carbs. That is not to say the kids eat a bunch of empty carbsbut if they have an extra slice of bread she just makes adjustments to theirpumps to give more insulin. As far as sugars go the kids will get diarrheaif they eat too much sugar substitutes and dried fruit like dates have afair amount of carbs. While the oldest granddaughter is getting pretty goodat identifying her carbs correctly they often choose meals they can look upeasily for the nutritional information like chain restaurants or packagedfoods that list carbs. One of my intentions for buying a Vitamix was to make eating a healthy blendof fruits and vegetables a fun thing for the kids when they came over whichis fairly often since they ! don't live very far away. I wanted them to pickout a recipe from the cookbook and have them make it. I even paid extra forthe Professional series so even the youngest one could add her ingredientsand push the button. That is way I was frustrated with the Create Cookbookwhen I discovered there were no nutritional values for the recipes because Ineed to know that information to make choices that won't cause sugar highs.Tom

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Did you visit the links on my Stevia page about the FDA and Stevia? (especially the one titled, "The 19 Studies")

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote:

Lea Ann I really don't care if you tell them who I am or give them my email address. I would be happy to discuss this omission with the #1 honcho. I agree that it can be difficult to determine the agenda for people at are pro or con of any position that is why when researching a topic I try to find natural. That is one reason I like the articles on the Mayo Clinic web site. If you didn't read the article on stevia you may want to take a closer look at the FDA concerns since you said previously that you are borderline diabetic. "The FDA hasn't approved whole-leaf stevia or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of concerns about possible health effects. In particular, the FDA has concerns about the effects of stevia on blood sugar control, the kidneys, and the cardiovascular and reproductive systems." Thank you,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives LOL Tom, I enjoy the exchange of information as well. I always learn something new! For example, because of this discussion, I'm very likely to start growing Stevia - something that had always been on my "to do list", but now it is finally pushed to the fore… Regarding the FDA and Stevia, check out my page on "Sweeteners and Smoothie Additives" http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ and the section titled "Stevia and the FDA". Be forewarned that I consider the WHO, the CDC and the FDA to be on par with Monsanto on an ethics scale. I will cc you on my email to Vitamix Customer Service - I have to track down who the #1 honcho is and get his/her email address - do you mind if I forward clips of your statements without your identifying information? TIA Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 28, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Wow Lea Ann I think we opened up a can of worms with our Stevia debate. Actually I find the debate very interesting. I did find a couple of articles from the Mayo Clinic that you may find useful. One is on Stevia and the other is about artificial sweeteners in general. The article on Stevia points out that the FDA has not approved whole leaf or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of the possible health effects. If you look at the bottom of the articles you will also see whole bunch of informative articles on healthy eating. Thanks for relaying my concerns with Vitamix customer service. Let me know what they have to say. Tom http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevia/AN01733 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives I'll try to find an email for Vitamix Customer Service and I'll pass along your concerns to them. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: I have a great one called Living Cookbook http://www.livingcookbook.com/ . What I really like about it is I can copy and paste a recipe in it and it will give all the nutritional information. Now you may have to fiddle around with the ingredients to get the best match in its data base but it works well. My beef with Vitamix is they gave me a glorified version of the Whole Food Cookbook with the Create Recipes Cookbook but while the Whole Food cookbook has the nutritional information listed for each recipe the Create Recipes has none. I wrote in an earlier post I compared my Create Recipe book with the QVC Whole Food book posted on the Links page of our group /links and except for the last 2 chapters the Create is exactly the same but without nutritional information. The point is not that I can look this information up elsewhere my point is why I should have to. You're also right about the carb issues. While most fruits are very nutritious many for the most part they have a lot carbs so a diabetic has to take a close look at the sugars in their smoothies. For example one medium banana has 27 carbs and a cup of spinach has 1. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Velda Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Lea Ann, I find even a tiny part of a packet of stevia based sweetener tastes bitter to me, so I avoid it. Even my husband, a long time coffee drinker who likes sweet in his coffee does not like stevia. As good as the idea is, if one does not like it, no reason to use it .The other point I wanted to make is, Tom's question is valid, diabetics today esp who take insuilin base their medication (insulin) on how many carbs they are eating and it is very helpful to have that information at hand, without having to pull out a book and measure and add up the carbs in each component of a recipe. Obviously in some books which are a compilation of many recipes it takes more time, but there are lots of recipe programs quite capable of calculating nutritional data from the amount and items in a recipe. VM could do that on any recipe, run a calculation on it, without having a scientist make the recipe and run it through a machine to calculate exact nutritional data. So, the way I am reading it, Tom's question is not about sweeteners but about carb counts. Which brings another point, Tom, have you checked online for recipe programs you can type your favorite recipes into and click a button to have them estimate all nutrients? I believe my Now You're Cooking does it, but I have not put it on this new laptop yet, so will have to check and will let you know when I do. VeldaOn 12/27/2011 3:51 PM, Lea Ann Savage wrote: How much did you use? Did you read my page on Stevia? http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ One whole packet will sweeten 3 cups of coffee and most people don't like Stevia because they use the same volume as regular sweeteners (one packet per drink). Some people never like Stevia, but for others, cutting way down on the amount they use helps a lot. This is why I recommend (and carry) liquid Stevia - very easy to measure and count the drops so as not to get too much. Also, if after cutting down the amount, they still don't like stevia, cutting any other "sweetener" in half and using a bit of Stevia seems to hid the taste people don't like, but really boosts the sweetness. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Yes we have tried that one too. They don't seem to like that one very much in fact I think I still have the remainder of the box of it in the closet. I didn't care for it either. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto:V! itamixEnthusiasts ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Vita Mix 103 Hello Tom, Have you tried Stevia with your granddaughters? It is more natural than most sugar substitutes and might not have the same effects. (I know that I have the same reaction to zylitol as your granddaughters but never to Stevia). Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Lea Ann I have two granddaughters with type 1 diabetes, the oldest is 12 andshe has had it since she was one and the other is seven and has had diabetesfor a! bout a year now. As you know it can be challenging for parents to havetheir children eat a balanced diet when healthy it is really difficult forchildren with diabetes. My daughter handles it this way she is concernedwith mainly carbs. That is not to say the kids eat a bunch of empty carbsbut if they have an extra slice of bread she just makes adjustments to theirpumps to give more insulin. As far as sugars go the kids will get diarrheaif they eat too much sugar substitutes and dried fruit like dates have afair amount of carbs. While the oldest granddaughter is getting pretty goodat identifying her carbs correctly they often choose meals they can look upeasily for the nutritional information like chain restaurants or packagedfoods that list carbs. One of my intentions for buying a Vitamix was to make eating a healthy blendof fruits and vegetables a fun thing for the kids when they came over whichis fairly often since they ! don't live very far away. I wanted them to pickout a recipe from the cookbook and have them make it. I even paid extra forthe Professional series so even the youngest one could add her ingredientsand push the button. That is way I was frustrated with the Create Cookbookwhen I discovered there were no nutritional values for the recipes because Ineed to know that information to make choices that won't cause sugar highs.Tom

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Yes I did read it but the source of the article is from Stevia and they are not about to offer publications that are negative to their product. I have no clue what the facts of the FDA concerns are but I think it would be in interest to find out more from an independent sources. Here is a blog from a medical doctor on the Splenda that he explains how people with an agenda publish things.http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/sugar-and-sweeteners/splenda-misinformation/ Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Did you visit the links on my Stevia page about the FDA and Stevia? (especially the one titled, " The 19 Studies " ) Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Lea Ann I really don't care if you tell them who I am or give them my email address. I would be happy to discuss this omission with the #1 honcho. I agree that it can be difficult to determine the agenda for people at are pro or con of any position that is why when researching a topic I try to find natural. That is one reason I like the articles on the Mayo Clinic web site. If you didn't read the article on stevia you may want to take a closer look at the FDA concerns since you said previously that you are borderline diabetic. " The FDA hasn't approved whole-leaf stevia or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of concerns about possible health effects. In particular, the FDA has concerns about the effects of stevia on blood sugar control, the kidneys, and the cardiovascular and reproductive systems. " Thank you,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives LOL Tom, I enjoy the exchange of information as well. I always learn something new! For example, because of this discussion, I'm very likely to start growing Stevia - something that had always been on my " to do list " , but now it is finally pushed to the fore… Regarding the FDA and Stevia, check out my page on " Sweeteners and Smoothie Additives " http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ and the section titled " Stevia and the FDA " . Be forewarned that I consider the WHO, the CDC and the FDA to be on par with Monsanto on an ethics scale. I will cc you on my email to Vitamix Customer Service - I have to track down who the #1 honcho is and get his/her email address - do you mind if I forward clips of your statements without your identifying information? TIA Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 28, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Wow Lea Ann I think we opened up a can of worms with our Stevia debate. Actually I find the debate very interesting. I did find a couple of articles from the Mayo Clinic that you may find useful. One is on Stevia and the other is about artificial sweeteners in general. The article on Stevia points out that the FDA has not approved whole leaf or crude stevia extracts as food additives because of the possible health effects. If you look at the bottom of the articles you will also see whole bunch of informative articles on healthy eating. Thanks for relaying my concerns with Vitamix customer service. Let me know what they have to say. Tom http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevia/AN01733 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives I'll try to find an email for Vitamix Customer Service and I'll pass along your concerns to them. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: I have a great one called Living Cookbook http://www.livingcookbook.com/ . What I really like about it is I can copy and paste a recipe in it and it will give all the nutritional information. Now you may have to fiddle around with the ingredients to get the best match in its data base but it works well. My beef with Vitamix is they gave me a glorified version of the Whole Food Cookbook with the Create Recipes Cookbook but while the Whole Food cookbook has the nutritional information listed for each recipe the Create Recipes has none. I wrote in an earlier post I compared my Create Recipe book with the QVC Whole Food book posted on the Links page of our group /links and except for the last 2 chapters the Create is exactly the same but without nutritional information. The point is not that I can look this information up elsewhere my point is why I should have to. You're also right about the carb issues. While most fruits are very nutritious many for the most part they have a lot carbs so a diabetic has to take a close look at the sugars in their smoothies. For example one medium banana has 27 carbs and a cup of spinach has 1. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Velda Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Lea Ann, I find even a tiny part of a packet of stevia based sweetener tastes bitter to me, so I avoid it. Even my husband, a long time coffee drinker who likes sweet in his coffee does not like stevia. As good as the idea is, if one does not like it, no reason to use it .The other point I wanted to make is, Tom's question is valid, diabetics today esp who take insuilin base their medication (insulin) on how many carbs they are eating and it is very helpful to have that information at hand, without having to pull out a book and measure and add up the carbs in each component of a recipe. Obviously in some books which are a compilation of many recipes it takes more time, but there are lots of recipe programs quite capable of calculating nutritional data from the amount and items in a recipe. VM could do that on any recipe, run a calculation on it, without having a scientist make the recipe and run it through a machine to calculate exact nutritional data. So, the way I am reading it, Tom's question is not about sweeteners but about carb counts. Which brings another point, Tom, have you checked online for recipe programs you can type your favorite recipes into and click a button to have them estimate all nutrients? I believe my Now You're Cooking does it, but I have not put it on this new laptop yet, so will have to check and will let you know when I do. VeldaOn 12/27/2011 3:51 PM, Lea Ann Savage wrote: How much did you use? Did you read my page on Stevia? http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/ One whole packet will sweeten 3 cups of coffee and most people don't like Stevia because they use the same volume as regular sweeteners (one packet per drink). Some people never like Stevia, but for others, cutting way down on the amount they use helps a lot. This is why I recommend (and carry) liquid Stevia - very easy to measure and count the drops so as not to get too much. Also, if after cutting down the amount, they still don't like stevia, cutting any other " sweetener " in half and using a bit of Stevia seems to hid the taste people don't like, but really boosts the sweetness. Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Yes we have tried that one too. They don't seem to like that one very much in fact I think I still have the remainder of the box of it in the closet. I didn't care for it either. Thanks,Tom From: [mailto:V! itamixEnthusiasts ] On Behalf Of Lea Ann SavageSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Vita Mix 103 Hello Tom, Have you tried Stevia with your granddaughters? It is more natural than most sugar substitutes and might not have the same effects. (I know that I have the same reaction to zylitol as your granddaughters but never to Stevia). Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))>< On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Tom Matuschak wrote: Lea Ann I have two granddaughters with type 1 diabetes, the oldest is 12 andshe has had it since she was one and the other is seven and has had diabetesfor a! bout a year now. As you know it can be challenging for parents to havetheir children eat a balanced diet when healthy it is really difficult forchildren with diabetes. My daughter handles it this way she is concernedwith mainly carbs. That is not to say the kids eat a bunch of empty carbsbut if they have an extra slice of bread she just makes adjustments to theirpumps to give more insulin. As far as sugars go the kids will get diarrheaif they eat too much sugar substitutes and dried fruit like dates have afair amount of carbs. While the oldest granddaughter is getting pretty goodat identifying her carbs correctly they often choose meals they can look upeasily for the nutritional information like chain restaurants or packagedfoods that list carbs. One of my intentions for buying a Vitamix was to make eating a healthy blendof fruits and vegetables a fun thing for the kids when they came over whichis fairly often since they ! don't live very far away. I wanted them to pickout a recipe from the cookbook and have them make it. I even paid extra forthe Professional series so even the youngest one could add her ingredientsand push the button. That is way I was frustrated with the Create Cookbookwhen I discovered there were no nutritional values for the recipes because Ineed to know that information to make choices that won't cause sugar highs.Tom

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I have always been able to buy my stevia plants from Home Depot.  In His Grace…Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LandmonSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Pls post when you locate where to purchase plant.Thanks> Not much stevia in Truvia; first ingredient listed is erythritol, which> I think tastes way worse than stevia alone....but its cheaper to produce.>> Probably to know how stevia actually tastes, need to try some form that> is pure stevia, I'd guess.>> SJ>>> ------------------------------------>>

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Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(We all have to be careful and aware. In His Grace…Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of apricot855Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did you know that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest in chlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.Google will supply tons of info about this.http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.htmlhttp://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5h.html--- In , " Robbie " <Lordshelpr@...> wrote:>> I agree and I do not use splenda or truvia as truvia has sugar and >is highly processed and splenda has chlorine in it...eccckkk!> > I found that the best stevia, for me, is the " sweet leaf " brand. > Happy hunting everyone!> >

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I got my first stevia plant at Lowes. I transplanted a cutting of it and let it bolt (go to seed) so I could use the seeds for future plants. You can also buy stevia seeds online, but do look for ORGANIC so you avoid any GMO issues. At one point, I had enough seeds to share, but it will be late summer before I have any more, since I didn't bolt any last year.Sent from my iPadOn Dec 28, 2011, at 9:06 AM, "Robbie" <Lordshelpr@...> wrote:

I have always been able to buy my stevia plants from Home Depot. In His Grace…Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of LandmonSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Pls post when you locate where to purchase plant.Thanks> Not much stevia in Truvia; first ingredient listed is erythritol, which> I think tastes way worse than stevia alone....but its cheaper to produce.>> Probably to know how stevia actually tastes, need to try some form that> is pure stevia, I'd guess.>> SJ>>> ------------------------------------>>

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Yes, there are some natural forms of chlroine, but the high content in certain

foods comes from the standard sodium chloride in REGULAR salt, which would be

added to those foods, such as butter and olives. Table salt is nasty

stuff-bleached and has " anti caking agents " added. Natural sea salt is all I

use, and it contains no additives or anti caking agents. Real sea salt is gray

or light pink in color, and there are some other types of " finishing " salts that

are other natural colors. I used to have high blood pressure and fluid

retention, but that all resolved when I eliminated table salt, but I LOAD UP on

the sea salt-it is delicious, you use less, and it is full of naturally

occurring minerals. I make my own butter, so I can control the salt content,

but since I like it on the very salty side, I am liberal with the sea salt since

I know it has no issues.

> >

> > I agree and I do not use splenda or truvia as truvia has sugar and >is

highly processed and splenda has chlorine in it...eccckkk!

> >

> > I found that the best stevia, for me, is the " sweet leaf " brand.

> > Happy hunting everyone!

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> >

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Tom et al,

Yes, table salt (the refined stuff you find in the supermarket) is sodium

chloride, with a trace amount of the chemicals that were used to refine the

salt. Sodium chloride is essential for the human body--for example you need the

chloride ions to produce hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Splenda, on the other

hand, has chlorine bound to organic molecules, which makes it far more dangerous

(like chlorine found in pesticides/herbicides). For more information, go to the

website, www.mercola.com (run by Dr. ph Mercola), and do a search on his

site for Splenda. You'll find a lot of links to articles he has written on this

subject over the last few years.

BTW, I recommend that people should use sea salt (unrefined, truly natural).

Ones that are on the market include Celtic sea salt, Himalayan pink sea salt (I

get mine from mercola.com, but there are reputable sources, too), and one from

Utah (an underground ancient sea bed) called I think Real Salt (but check the

name on the Internet). All reputable sea salts contain mostly sodium chloride

and trace amounts of very beneficial minerals (inorganic sources of these

minerals).

Lynn G

>

> So does salt (sodium chloride).

>

> Tom

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robbie

> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:03 PM

>

> Subject: RE: Sweetener alternatives

>

> I agree and I do not use splenda or truvia as truvia has sugar and is highly

> processed and splenda has chlorine in it...eccckkk!

>

> I found that the best stevia, for me, is the " sweet leaf " brand. Happy

> hunting everyone!

>

>

> Robbie

[Guest guest]

Robbie et al,

Chlorine is a very common element in nature. Yes, there are foods that contain

chlorine bound to other elements as naturally occurring compounds. This is not a

bad thing. Chlorine is rarely found in nature as a pure element; in fact, pure

chlorine is in a gaseous state at " room temperatures. " One way to liberate

chlorine as a gas is to pour household bleach together in a container (like a

toilet) with ammonia, which creates a very dangerous chemical reaction. Pure

chlorine gas is highly corrosive to living tissue (including one's lungs). Also,

there are a number of manufactured chemicals (like cleaning agents, pesticides,

and herbicides) that contain chlorine as part of the chemical formulas. Chlorine

in many of these manufactured chemicals is usually very toxic to animals and

plants. So, depending on how and where chlorine is bound to other elements, the

element chlorine is beneficial (such as table salt or sea salt), or toxic/not

beneficial (such as pesticides/herbicides.)

Lynn G

>

> Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(

>

> We all have to be careful and aware.

>

> Robbie

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of apricot855

> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:10 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives

>

> Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did you

> know that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest in

> chlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.

>

> Google will supply tons of info about this.

> http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.html

> http://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5

> h.html

[Guest guest]

Lynn I am not advocating Splenda or any other product. I use Splenda and I am comfortable using it. The point I am trying to make is that I look for independent sources because I believe I am more likely to find the correct answer that way. As far as salt goes this is what the Mayo Clinic has to say about salt.http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142 Tom From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn GandySent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Tom et al,Yes, table salt (the refined stuff you find in the supermarket) is sodium chloride, with a trace amount of the chemicals that were used to refine the salt. Sodium chloride is essential for the human body--for example you need the chloride ions to produce hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Splenda, on the other hand, has chlorine bound to organic molecules, which makes it far more dangerous (like chlorine found in pesticides/herbicides). For more information, go to the website, www.mercola.com (run by Dr. ph Mercola), and do a search on his site for Splenda. You'll find a lot of links to articles he has written on this subject over the last few years.BTW, I recommend that people should use sea salt (unrefined, truly natural). Ones that are on the market include Celtic sea salt, Himalayan pink sea salt (I get mine from mercola.com, but there are reputable sources, too), and one from Utah (an underground ancient sea bed) called I think Real Salt (but check the name on the Internet). All reputable sea salts contain mostly sodium chloride and trace amounts of very beneficial minerals (inorganic sources of these minerals).Lynn G >> So does salt (sodium chloride). > > Tom > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robbie> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:03 PM> > Subject: RE: Sweetener alternatives> > I agree and I do not use splenda or truvia as truvia has sugar and is highly> processed and splenda has chlorine in it...eccckkk!> > I found that the best stevia, for me, is the " sweet leaf " brand. Happy> hunting everyone!> > > Robbie

[Guest guest]

Robbie, I don't think you understand. Chlorine is not a toxin. Chlorine

is a natural nutrient - just like magnesium, calcium, potassium, and so

forth. Our bodies require some chlorine to function.

Like any nutrient, we can be deficient in or get too much of chlorine.

Although it is not likely that we will be deficient in chlorine.

Amy

" Robbie " Lordshelpr@...

Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(

We all have to be careful and aware.

On Behalf Of apricot855

Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did you

know that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest in

chlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.

Google will supply tons of info about this.

http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.html

http://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5

h.html

[Guest guest]

Tom, that was a very interesting read, even the comments left by

others are interesting. Thanks

Velda

On 12/28/2011 5:33 AM, Tom Matuschak wrote:

Yes

I did read it but the source of the article is from Stevia

and they are not about to offer publications that are

negative to their product. I have no clue what the facts of

the FDA concerns are but I think it would be in interest to

find out more from an independent sources.

Here

is a blog from a medical doctor on the Splenda that he

explains how people with an agenda publish things.

http://!

www.proteinpower.com/drmike/sugar-and-sweeteners/splenda-misinformation/

Tom

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Lea Ann Savage

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: ! Sweetener

alternatives

Did you visit the links on my Stevia page about the FDA

and Stevia? (especially the one titled, "The 19

Studies")

Blessings,

Lea Ann Savage

Satellite Beach, FL

(321) 773-7088

(home)

(321-961-9219

(cell)

www.VitamixLady.com

w!

ww..com

<))><

On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:06 AM,

Tom Matuschak wrote:

Lea

Ann I really don't care if you tell them who

I am or give them my email address. I would

be happy to discuss this omission with the

#1 honcho.

I

agree that it can be difficult to determine

the agenda for people at are pro or con of

any position that is why when researching a

topic I try to find natural. That is one

reason I like the articles on the Mayo

Clinic web site.

If

you didn't read the article on stevia you

may want to take a closer look at the FDA

concerns since you said previously that you

are borderline diabetic.

"The

FDA hasn't approved whole-leaf stevia or

crude stevia extracts as food additives

because of concerns about possible health

effects. In particular, the FDA has concerns

about the effects of stevia on blood sugar

control, the kidneys, and the cardiovascular

and reproductive systems."

Thank

you,

Tom

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lea Ann Savage

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011

7:47 AM

Subject: Re:

Sweetener

alternatives

LOL Tom, I

enjoy the exchange of information as

well. I always learn something new!

For example, because of this

discussion, I'm very likely to start

growing Stevia - something that had

always been on my "to do list", but now

it is finally pushed to the fore…

!

Regarding

the FDA and Stevia, check out my page

on "Sweeteners and Smoothie Additives"

http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/

and the section titled "Stevia and the

FDA". Be forewarned that I consider

the WHO, the CDC and the FDA to be on

par with Monsanto on an ethics scale.

I

will cc you on my email to Vitamix

Customer Service - I have to track

down who the #1 honcho is and get

his/her email address - do you mind if

I forward clips of your statements

without your identifying information?

TIA

Blessings,

Lea

Ann Savage

Satellite

Beach, FL

(321)

773-7088 (home)

(321-961-9219

(cell)

www.VitamixLady.com

www.VitamixEnth!

usiasts.com

<))><

On

Dec 28, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Tom

Matuschak wrote:

Wow Lea Ann I think we opened up

a can of worms with our

Stevia d!

ebate. Actually I find the

debate very interesting. I

did find a couple of

articles from the Mayo

Clinic that you may find

useful. One is on Stevia

and the other is about

artificial sweeteners in

general. The article on

Stevia points out that the

FDA has not approved whole

leaf or crude stevia

extracts as food additives

because of the possible

health effects. If you look

at the bottom of the

articles you will also see

whole bunch of informative

articles on healthy eating.

Thanks for relaying my concerns

with Vitamix customer

service. Let me know what

they have to say.

Tom

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stevia/AN01733

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lea

Ann Savage

Sent: Tuesday,

December 27, 2011 8:40

PM

Subject: Re:

Sweetener alternatives

I'll

try to find an email for

Vitamix Customer Service

and I'll pass along your

concerns to them.

Blessings,

Lea

Ann Savage

Satellite

!

Beach, FL

(321)

773-7088 (home)

(321-961-9219

(cell)

www.VitamixLady.com

www..com

<))><

On

Dec 27, 2011, at

7:40 PM, Tom

Matuschak wrote:

I have a great one called Living

Cookbook http://www.livingcookbook.com/

.. What I

really like

about it is I

can copy and

paste a recipe

in it and it

will give all

the

nutritional

information.

Now you may

have to fiddle

around with

the

ingredients to

get the best

match in its

data base but

it works well.

My beef with Vitamix is they gave

!

me a glorified

version of the

Whole Food

Cookbook with

the Create

Recipes

Cookbook but

while the

Whole Food

cookbook has

the

nutritional

information

listed for

each recipe

the Create

Recipes has

none. I wrote

in an earlier

post I

compared my

Create Recipe

book with the

QVC Whole Food

book posted on

the Links page

of our group /links

and except for

the last 2

chapters the

Create is

exactly the

same but

without

nutritional

information.

The point is not that I can look

this

information up

elsewhere my

point is why I

!

should have

to.

You're also right about the carb

issues. While

most fruits

are very

nutritious

many for the

most part they

have a lot

carbs so a

diabetic has

to take a

close look at

the sugars in

their

smoothies.

For example

one medium

banana has 27

carbs and a

cup of spinach

has 1.

Thanks,

Tom

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf

Of Velda

Sent:

Tuesday,

December 27,

2011 7:14 PM

Subject:

Re:!

Sweetener

alternatives

Lea

Ann, I find

even a tiny

part of a

packet of

stevia based

sweetener

tastes bitter

to me, so I

avoid it. Even

my husband, a

long time

coffee drinker

who likes

sweet in his

coffee does

not like

stevia. As

good as the

idea is, if

one does not

like it, no

reason to use

it .

The other

point I wanted

to make is,

Tom's question

is valid,

diabetics

today esp who

take insuilin

base their

medication

(insulin) on

how many carbs

they are

eating and it

is very

helpful to

have that

information at

hand, without

having to pull

out a book and

measure and

add up the

carbs in each

component of a

recipe. !

Obviously in

some books

which are a

compilation of

many recipes

it takes more

time, but

there are lots

of recipe

programs quite

capable of

calculating

nutritional

data from the

amount and

items in a

recipe. VM

could do that

on any recipe,

run a

calculation on

it, without

having a

scientist make

the recipe and

run it through

a machine to

calculate

exact

nutritional

data. So, the

way I am

reading it,

Tom's question

is not about

sweeteners but

about carb

counts. Which

brings another

point, Tom,

have you

checked online

for recipe

programs you

can type your

favorite

recipes into

and click a

button to have

them estimate

all nutrients?

I believe my

Now You're

Cooking does

it, but I have

not put it on

this new

laptop yet, so

will have to

check and will

let you know

when I do.

Velda

On 12/27/2011

3:51 PM, Lea

Ann Savage

wrote:

How much did you use? Did you read my page on Stevia?

http://vitamixlady.com/sweeteners-smoothie-additives/

One whole

packet will

sweeten 3 cups

of coffee and

most people

don't like

Stevia because

they use the

same volume as

regular

sweeteners

(one packet

per drink).

Some

people never

like Stevia,

but for

others,

cutting way

down on the

amount they

use helps a

lot.

This

is why I

recommend (and

ca!

rry) liquid

Stevia - very

easy to

measure and

count the

drops so as

not to get too

much.

Also,

if after

cutting down

the amount,

they still

don't like

stevia,

cutting any

other

"sweetener" in

half and using

a bit of

Stevia seems

to hid the

taste people

don't like,

but really

boosts the

sweetness.

Blessings,

Lea

Ann Savage

Sat!

ellite

Beach, FL

(321)

773-7088

(home)

(321-961-9219

(cell)

www.VitamixLady.com

www..com

<))><

On

Dec 27, 2011,

at 6:36 PM,

Tom Matuschak

wrote:

Yes we have tried that one too.

They don't

seem to like

that one very

much in fact I

think I still

have the

remainder of

the box of it

in the

closet. I

didn't care

for it either.

Thanks,

Tom

From:

[mailto:V! itamixEnthusiasts ]

On Behalf

Of Lea

Ann Savage

Sent:

Tuesday,

December 27,

2011 6:28 PM

Subject:

Re:

Vita Mix 103

Hello

Tom,

Have

you tried

Stevia with

your

granddaughters?

It is more

natural than

most sugar

substitutes

and might not

have the same

effects. (I

know that I

have the same

reaction to

zylitol as

your

granddaughters

but never to

Stevia).

Blessings,

Lea Ann Savage

Satellite

Beach, FL

(321)

773-7088

(home)

(321-961-9219

(cell)

www.VitamixLady.com

www..com

<))><

On

Dec 27, 2011,

at 6:20 PM,

Tom Matuschak

wrote:

Lea

Ann I have two

granddaughters

with type 1

diabetes, the

oldest is 12

and

she has had it

since she was

one and the

other is seven

and has had

diabetes

for a! bout a

year now. As

you know it

can be

challenging

for parents to

have

their children

eat a balanced

diet when

healthy it is

really

difficult for

children with

diabetes. My

daughter

handles it

this way she

is concerned

with mainly

carbs. That is

not to say the

kids eat a

bunch of empty

carbs

but if they

have an extra

slice of bread

she just makes

adjustments to

their

pumps to give

more insulin.

As far as

sugars go the

kids will get

diarrhea

if they eat

too much sugar

substitutes

and dried

fruit like

dates have a

fair amount of

carbs. While

the oldest

granddaughter

is getting

pretty good

at identifying

her carbs

correc!

tly they often

choose meals

they can look

up

easily for the

nutritional

information

like chain

restaurants or

packaged

foods that

list carbs.

One of my

intentions for

buying a

Vitamix was to

make eating a

healthy blend

of fruits and

vegetables a

fun thing for

the kids when

they came over

which

is fairly

often since

they ! don't

live very far

away. I wanted

them to pick

out a recipe

from the

cookbook and

have them make

it. I even

paid extra for

the

Professional

series so even

the youngest

one could add

her

ingredients

and push the

button. That

is way I was

frustrated

with the

Create

Cookbook

when I

discovered

there were no

nutritional

values for the

recipes

because I

need to know

that

information to

make choices

that won't

cause sugar

highs.

Tom

[Guest guest]

What I understand is that there are certain things “allowed” in our food supply that can make us sick. FDA and other major money corporations say that certain amounts of toxic substances and carcinogens are safe” if taken in small amounts”. I am the type of person that does not agree with them , nor do I take vaccinations that have things like aborted money fetus material(that too is supposed to be safe) and thimerosal. For me, these things are not positive for a healthy mind or body. I have several autoimmune diseases( and multiple chemical syndrome) and have to have a watchful eye on everything I put in my body. I know that Chlorine is needed to a certain point, but do you know where that point is and when to stop ingesting it? Overuse of anything, is not good, in my opinion.I just do not want to eat things that I know are chemically altered and can produce negative health issues. Splenda is one of those products, in my opinion.I did not intend to offend anyone with my remarks. Forgive me if I did. I’m just stating what works and doesn’t work for me. In His Grace….Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Apricot043Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Robbie, I don't think you understand. Chlorine is not a toxin. Chlorine is a natural nutrient - just like magnesium, calcium, potassium, and so forth. Our bodies require some chlorine to function.Like any nutrient, we can be deficient in or get too much of chlorine. Although it is not likely that we will be deficient in chlorine.Amy " Robbie " Lordshelpr@...Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(We all have to be careful and aware.On Behalf Of apricot855Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did youknow that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest inchlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.Google will supply tons of info about this.http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.htmlhttp://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5h.html

[Guest guest]

I fully agree with you, Robbie. I am happy to consume "chemicals" that occur naturally in foods, but I draw the line at things added in to the food supply, largely unlabeled, and often from totally man made sources, which is why I only consume whole foods, organic only. I am admittedly more obsessive than most, but chronic allergies to the garbage in processed food has made it a necessity to be extra vigilant. As for what the FDA allows, don't even get me started, lol!!Sent from my iPadOn Dec 29, 2011, at 4:36 PM, "Robbie" <Lordshelpr@...> wrote:

What I understand is that there are certain things “allowed†in our food supply that can make us sick. FDA and other major money corporations say that certain amounts of toxic substances and carcinogens are safe†if taken in small amountsâ€. I am the type of person that does not agree with them , nor do I take vaccinations that have things like aborted money fetus material(that too is supposed to be safe) and thimerosal. For me, these things are not positive for a healthy mind or body. I have several autoimmune diseases( and multiple chemical syndrome) and have to have a watchful eye on everything I put in my body. I know that Chlorine is needed to a certain point, but do you know where that point is and when to stop ingesting it? Overuse of anything, is not good, in my opinion.I just do not want to eat things that I know are chemically altered and can produce negative health issues. Splenda is one of those products, in my opinion.I did not intend to offend anyone with my remarks. Forgive me if I did. I’m just stating what works and doesn’t work for me. In His Grace….Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Apricot043Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Robbie, I don't think you understand. Chlorine is not a toxin. Chlorine is a natural nutrient - just like magnesium, calcium, potassium, and so forth. Our bodies require some chlorine to function.Like any nutrient, we can be deficient in or get too much of chlorine. Although it is not likely that we will be deficient in chlorine.Amy"Robbie" Lordshelpr@...Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(We all have to be careful and aware.On Behalf Of apricot855Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did youknow that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest inchlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.Google will supply tons of info about this.http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.htmlhttp://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5h.html

[Guest guest]

Smiling at and nodding my head in agreement.  In His Grace…Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of BerrySent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sweetener alternatives I fully agree with you, Robbie. I am happy to consume " chemicals " that occur naturally in foods, but I draw the line at things added in to the food supply, largely unlabeled, and often from totally man made sources, which is why I only consume whole foods, organic only. I am admittedly more obsessive than most, but chronic allergies to the garbage in processed food has made it a necessity to be extra vigilant. As for what the FDA allows, don't even get me started, lol!! Sent from my iPadOn Dec 29, 2011, at 4:36 PM, " Robbie " <Lordshelpr@...> wrote: What I understand is that there are certain things “allowed†in our food supply that can make us sick. FDA and other major money corporations say that certain amounts of toxic substances and carcinogens are safe†if taken in small amountsâ€. I am the type of person that does not agree with them , nor do I take vaccinations that have things like aborted money fetus material(that too is supposed to be safe) and thimerosal. For me, these things are not positive for a healthy mind or body. I have several autoimmune diseases( and multiple chemical syndrome) and have to have a watchful eye on everything I put in my body. I know that Chlorine is needed to a certain point, but do you know where that point is and when to stop ingesting it? Overuse of anything, is not good, in my opinion.I just do not want to eat things that I know are chemically altered and can produce negative health issues. Splenda is one of those products, in my opinion.I did not intend to offend anyone with my remarks. Forgive me if I did. I’m just stating what works and doesn’t work for me. In His Grace….Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Apricot043Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Sweetener alternatives Robbie, I don't think you understand. Chlorine is not a toxin. Chlorine is a natural nutrient - just like magnesium, calcium, potassium, and so forth. Our bodies require some chlorine to function.Like any nutrient, we can be deficient in or get too much of chlorine. Although it is not likely that we will be deficient in chlorine.Amy " Robbie " Lordshelpr@...Yes, it is sad that there are so many toxins allowed in our food supply. ;(We all have to be careful and aware.On Behalf Of apricot855Not to disagree with many who do not want to ingest Splenda, but did youknow that chlorine is found naturally in many foods? Foods highest inchlorine are said to be olives, butter and any kind of salt.Google will supply tons of info about this.http://www.vitaminsdiary.com/minerals/chlorine.htmlhttp://healthyeatingclub.com/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/data/data5h.html