compliance complaint question

[Guest guest]

I know that we can file a compliance complaint if the school does not do

what they say they will do. There are a number of things that the team

has agreed upon, that I have looked at and are not in this past IEP

meeting notes. For example, things like:

1) GenEd teacher will provide study guide and/or copy of test to

parents 5 days prior to test

2) Communication log will be filled out such and such way (what they

did in class, what the HW is, etc.)

3) Homework portion of ComLog initialed by teacher (we had a lot of

problems with writing down one thing in her planner, the aide

writing something different on the Com Log, and the website for the

class saying yet another.... at 7 pm, how do we know which homework is

right?)

And other things that were discussed, agreed upon and now are not being

done. The Resource teacher is useless, and I'm meeting with the

principal today to express (again) my concerns for " who is responsible

for making things happen? " and plan to mention that although we have

been EXTREMELY flexible and understanding in the past, it is putting

huge stress on our entire family, and we will no longer be so

accomodating, and perhaps will be looking into filing compliance

complaints when things are not done.

But, before I do that, I want to know more about them, and what sort of

documentation is needed.... if it didn't get captured in the meeting

notes that we agreed on it, then did it not happen? And (for the

future) how do these sorts of agreements need to be documented so that

they are enforcable?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Is it not in the IEP as to who is responsible to make sure the IEP is

implemented?  That's the first thing you have to do.  Then make sure that

someone signs off on eveything that is suppose to be done (that it has in fact

been done)This is why I love the communication notebook because it goes back and

forth everyday and it is documentation.  Make sure that is in the IEP that you

want a notebook sent home telling you that you need to know what went on and was

accomplished etc.   If all the stuff you need to happen are not in the IEP

call a new meeting and have them put in.  Trust me if it is Not in the IEP it

ain's gonna happen.  I found my school out of compliance on more thatn one isue

when Micah was in first grade (remember when they were changing documents on me

etc.) but I had documentation through the comm. book and things they had sent

home already.  When I went to SUPER and told him look I don't want to file a

compliance complaint but I will if things don't change.  They did and I just

got a call actually from Micah's speech teacher about his one to one push in for

speech not working.  It actually isn't because I wanted them to facilitate

communication with his classmates and they are doing the push in during reading

when everyone else is doing the SLR reading program and Micah is in Edmark.  He

doesn't do well with one to one always better in group and so I agreed that we

would go ahead and drop this one service as he gets group with 4 other kids the

other 4 days.  Half hour to me was not worth fighting over.  SO she said okay

will you call SPED HEAD to let her know so that we can have a meeting because I

don't just want to stop then I would be out of compliance.  I laughed as I got

off the phone cause they are getting a clue!!!!  When i called SPED HEAD she

asked me what I wanted to do...add another group session or what.  Now THAT is

a turnaround.  But you have to be very pleasant but get it ALL in writring or

you have nothing.  Once it is in writing they know they must comply., 

Whenever you speak to a teacher principal  or whoever concerning your daughter

keep a log book and write it on the calendar.  EX:  I spoke with Principal big

shot on the 12th of Dec concerning their not being in compliance about doing

such and such.  Princiapl big shot said " whatever " .  This is documentation

that something is going on and if you end up in due process you have a running

log book of whatr has been happening.  You will be much more credible with

this.  Who the heck would keep all the info for fun.  Besides if more than one

person is involved and they are lying it gets better because they all tell a

different story lol!  You have supplied the questions from the log and the

answers given at the time you documented but their will be a whole lot of

differnt answers from everyone else. When they don't add up your credibility

quotion goes up.  Record keeping and documetation is vital.  I also tape phone

conv. here which is legal as long as one party knows it is being taped (me) find

out about this in your state as the laws are all different.

I hate it that our kids never get what they are suppose to be getting in school

unless we keep right on them.  Call for a new IEP if you have to Les but get it

in there!

 

Loree

compliance complaint question

  I know that we can file a compliance complaint if the school does not do

what they say they will do. There are a number of things that the team

has agreed upon, that I have looked at and are not in this past IEP

meeting notes. For example, things like:

1) GenEd teacher will provide study guide and/or copy of test to

parents 5 days prior to test

2) Communication log will be filled out such and such way (what they

did in class, what the HW is, etc.)

3) Homework portion of ComLog initialed by teacher (we had a lot of

problems with writing down one thing in her planner, the aide

writing something different on the Com Log, and the website for the

class saying yet another.... at 7 pm, how do we know which homework is

right?)

And other things that were discussed, agreed upon and now are not being

done. The Resource teacher is useless, and I'm meeting with the

principal today to express (again) my concerns for " who is responsible

for making things happen? " and plan to mention that although we have

been EXTREMELY flexible and understanding in the past, it is putting

huge stress on our entire family, and we will no longer be so

accomodating, and perhaps will be looking into filing compliance

complaints when things are not done.

But, before I do that, I want to know more about them, and what sort of

documentation is needed.... if it didn't get captured in the meeting

notes that we agreed on it, then did it not happen? And (for the

future) how do these sorts of agreements need to be documented so that

they are enforcable?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

THANKS!

I've been going through the IEP, IEP notes, emails and our Communication

Log (which is similar to Micah's) and think I have my plan for this

afternoon. The special factors page does say " study guide and tests in

advance " but they did not put the " 5 days " in there, although I have

emails on the topic.... bet they'll balk at putting a number in. I made

a lovely calendar that showed when I requested meetings (and when they

happened, 4 1/2 weeks later), complete with email documentation, and

also the number of days her aide has been absent (12/36 days, but who's

counting!)... not to complain about the aide, she's great with

when she's there, but when she's not, things are not followed, and we've

met more than once to talk about the sub folder and how to make it

bulletproof so that anyone who shows up to work with will do

everything right (they've not had time in the past 3 1/2 weeks since our

last meeting to update the folder, and the aide has been absent 9 days

since then.. you'd think they'd make the time to update!) My calendar

also shows when social studies tests were, and when (if I did) receive

the required study guide/test. I am a visual learner, so I'm hoping

that my charts and graphs might help them out too!

I also made an org chart for responsibilities, and with the principal,

I'm going to ask her to " help " me draw all the arrows as to who is

responsible for what, and when things don't get done as promised, who is

responsible for what. The RSP passes the buck to the aide so much, it's

insane. So, I want to get some of those arrows drawn to her! Also, I

am going to request that I be permitted to be a sub aide for

(paid, and only if I choose to pick up the sub contract that day, but I

will be given first chance), it will save me huge amounts of frustration

and stress if I were just there at school writing down the homework,

making sure her PE clothes get home, etc.... takes tons more time to

figure this out at 5 pm when no one answers the phones or emails! Bet

THAT's gonna go over well.

OK, shower and then to school!

On 10/18/2010 11:32 AM, loree5@... wrote:

> Is it not in the IEP as to who is responsible to make sure the IEP is

> implemented? That's the first thing you have to do. Then make sure

> that someone signs off on eveything that is suppose to be done (that

> it has in fact been done)This is why I love the communication notebook

> because it goes back and forth everyday and it is documentation. Make

> sure that is in the IEP that you want a notebook sent home telling you

> that you need to know what went on and was accomplished etc. If all

> the stuff you need to happen are not in the IEP call a new meeting and

> have them put in. Trust me if it is Not in the IEP it ain's gonna

> happen. I found my school out of compliance on more thatn one isue

> when Micah was in first grade (remember when they were changing

> documents on me etc.) but I had documentation through the comm. book

> and things they had sent home already. When I went to SUPER and told

> him look I don't want to file a compliance complaint but I will if

> things don't change. They did and I just got a call actually from

> Micah's speech teacher about his one to one push in for speech not

> working. It actually isn't because I wanted them to facilitate

> communication with his classmates and they are doing the push in

> during reading when everyone else is doing the SLR reading program and

> Micah is in Edmark. He doesn't do well with one to one always better

> in group and so I agreed that we would go ahead and drop this one

> service as he gets group with 4 other kids the other 4 days. Half

> hour to me was not worth fighting over. SO she said okay will you

> call SPED HEAD to let her know so that we can have a meeting because I

> don't just want to stop then I would be out of compliance. I laughed

> as I got off the phone cause they are getting a clue!!!! When i

> called SPED HEAD she asked me what I wanted to do...add another group

> session or what. Now THAT is a turnaround. But you have to be very

> pleasant but get it ALL in writring or you have nothing. Once it is

> in writing they know they must comply., Whenever you speak to a

> teacher principal or whoever concerning your daughter keep a log book

> and write it on the calendar. EX: I spoke with Principal big shot on

> the 12th of Dec concerning their not being in compliance about doing

> such and such. Princiapl big shot said " whatever " . This is

> documentation that something is going on and if you end up in due

> process you have a running log book of whatr has been happening. You

> will be much more credible with this. Who the heck would keep all the

> info for fun. Besides if more than one person is involved and they

> are lying it gets better because they all tell a different story lol!

> You have supplied the questions from the log and the answers given at

> the time you documented but their will be a whole lot of differnt

> answers from everyone else. When they don't add up your credibility

> quotion goes up. Record keeping and documetation is vital. I also

> tape phone conv. here which is legal as long as one party knows it is

> being taped (me) find out about this in your state as the laws are all

> different.

> I hate it that our kids never get what they are suppose to be getting

> in school unless we keep right on them. Call for a new IEP if you

> have to Les but get it in there!

> Loree

>

>

> compliance complaint question

>

> I know that we can file a compliance complaint if the school does not do

> what they say they will do. There are a number of things that the team

> has agreed upon, that I have looked at and are not in this past IEP

> meeting notes. For example, things like:

>

> 1) GenEd teacher will provide study guide and/or copy of test to

> parents 5 days prior to test

> 2) Communication log will be filled out such and such way (what they

> did in class, what the HW is, etc.)

> 3) Homework portion of ComLog initialed by teacher (we had a lot of

> problems with writing down one thing in her planner, the aide

> writing something different on the Com Log, and the website for the

> class saying yet another.... at 7 pm, how do we know which homework is

> right?)

>

> And other things that were discussed, agreed upon and now are not being

> done. The Resource teacher is useless, and I'm meeting with the

> principal today to express (again) my concerns for " who is responsible

> for making things happen? " and plan to mention that although we have

> been EXTREMELY flexible and understanding in the past, it is putting

> huge stress on our entire family, and we will no longer be so

> accomodating, and perhaps will be looking into filing compliance

> complaints when things are not done.

>

> But, before I do that, I want to know more about them, and what sort of

> documentation is needed.... if it didn't get captured in the meeting

> notes that we agreed on it, then did it not happen? And (for the

> future) how do these sorts of agreements need to be documented so that

> they are enforcable?

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nice meeting with the principal who patiently took about 8 pages of

detailed notes about all the issues that we are having. We were both

completely on the same page that this meeting was to first and foremost,

define who exactly was responsible for all of these bigger issues, and

then work towards the irritating stuff. Her plan is to talk to both the

program specialist (district administrator) and the RSP (case manager)

and get in writing who exactly will implement what. She will get back

to me by the end of the week and at that point we will make our next

move, if necessary. I did not even mention compliance complaint because

she was working so hard to capture all our concerns, and develop a plan

going forward. She looked at the communication logs (partially filled

out, no HW listed, etc.) and sighed... " it's not rocket science to fill

this out properly " was her reaction, but was happy that I am planning to

make a " sample " to put in the sub folder. Had things not gone well

today, or if we don't get the reply we are looking for on Friday, I've

got my data together and will be ready to say " here's our next step. "

The principal is, and has always been, very supportive of us, so I am

willing to give her some time think.

In this case, we don't really care who is given responsibility for x, y

and z, just that someone is (either the GenEd teacher, RSP, aide, etc.)

so that when things don't happen, we can immediately document and act.

A lot of this stuff (like providing study guide 2 class session before a

test, which with our rotating block is essentially 4+days) is written in

the IEP on the " Special Factors " page, so there is no one listed as

responsible like the IEP goals. Anyone have any suggestions on how to

write this up for better accountability?

Thanks,

, mom to (15), (12 DS) and Sammy (11)

[Guest guest]

In Micah's IEP we have that the Sped teacher is responsble for implementing

Micah's IEP and making modifications as needed for Gn Ed.  That covers

everything.

Re: compliance complaint question

  Nice meeting with the principal who patiently took about 8 pages of

detailed notes about all the issues that we are having. We were both

completely on the same page that this meeting was to first and foremost,

define who exactly was responsible for all of these bigger issues, and

then work towards the irritating stuff. Her plan is to talk to both the

program specialist (district administrator) and the RSP (case manager)

and get in writing who exactly will implement what. She will get back

to me by the end of the week and at that point we will make our next

move, if necessary. I did not even mention compliance complaint because

she was working so hard to capture all our concerns, and develop a plan

going forward. She looked at the communication logs (partially filled

out, no HW listed, etc.) and sighed... " it's not rocket science to fill

this out properly " was her reaction, but was happy that I am planning to

make a " sample " to put in the sub folder. Had things not gone well

today, or if we don't get the reply we are looking for on Friday, I've

got my data together and will be ready to say " here's our next step. "

The principal is, and has always been, very supportive of us, so I am

willing to give her some time think.

In this case, we don't really care who is given responsibility for x, y

and z, just that someone is (either the GenEd teacher, RSP, aide, etc.)

so that when things don't happen, we can immediately document and act.

A lot of this stuff (like providing study guide 2 class session before a

test, which with our rotating block is essentially 4+days) is written in

the IEP on the " Special Factors " page, so there is no one listed as

responsible like the IEP goals. Anyone have any suggestions on how to

write this up for better accountability?

Thanks,

, mom to (15), (12 DS) and Sammy (11)