Re: Was that REALLY and IEP meeting?????

September 15, 2010

Oh , all that packing in and out for the principal to have a hissy

fit. Keep us posted as to where it goes from here! And the kids didn't

even have time to make much of a mess with their snacks, LOL.

, mom to (14), (12 DS) and Sammy (11)

On 9/15/2010 4:29 PM, and FRANK wrote:

>

> Ok.. today was the day. Logan's IEP at 3:30. and I and 8 kids/ sp

> needs adults. We had stuff to keep the kids busy.. but.. still my

> attention was scattered.

> Anyway.. the sped teacher showed a cute little slideshow.. and then...

> the speech therapist started with HER goals. She read the first goal..

> which we WERE going to have her rewrite because it was not

> comprehensible nor measureable, but we never got to that point. After

> she read the goal, I turned to the gen ed teacher and asked her if she

> understood the goal and how she was going to implement that goal in

> the classroom. She stated that the aide would do it. I said again, but

> how do YOU work with his IEP goals in the classroom. She then stated

> that she does NOT work with the sped kids.. SHE works with the Gen Ed

> kids. The AIDE works with the sped kids. She gives the lesson plan to

> the sped teacher on Fridays and she writes up lessons for the aide to

> teach him the next week. The sped teacher IS in the classroom working

> with Logan and another child for an hour/day. The rest of the time the

> aide is responsible. We said that we knew they had wonderful staff and

> the sped teacher was very good at modifying the work, and that we were

> SURE the aides were very qualified AIDES, but we didn't feel it was

> appropriate for our son to be taught by an aide and not a teacher. The

> principal stated that he had 2 certified teachers working with him. We

> pointed out that the gen ed teacher had stated that she DIDN'T work

> with him and that the sped teacher was only with him for an hour...

> and we felt that the GEN ED teacher needed to be the one responsible

> and take ownership or it wasn't inclusion. WOW!!!

> The principal said.. " If that is the way this meeting is going to go,

> I am going to table the meeting. " I said. OK.. and she said.. " This

> meeting is tabled. I need everyone to leave the room immediately! "

> BOY did they scatter. Well, not US. We had to gather up 8 kids/adults

> and their books, cars, snacks, etc so it took us about 15 min to

> actually get from the classroom to our car. And we did NOT rush it!

> LOL. I wish I was a mouse in the corner of that principal's office

> where I am sure they were all hiding and watching us leave.

> OH what fun!!!

> Tomorrow will call the dir of sped and see where we get. Next

> time we sit down it will be with more legal support.

> On the way home, I was telling how it was in Chip's class for a

> little boy who has DS. The gen ed teacher calls on him and he works

> with the other children most of the time. The aide is with him, but

> she is a support. She does take him to another room to read sometimes

> during quiet reading time.. but overall what I see is the teacher

> taking responsibility and getting support from the sped teacher and aide.

> Chip was sitting between us in the car(he and Logan are both in 2nd

> grade but at different schools.) Chip said.. " There is an empty chair

> at table 5 and he would be sitting with a different group than XXX if

> he was in my class! " Oh.. I love my children.. 7 yrs old and he GETS

> inclusion!! Should I sign him up to give a workshop?

>

September 15, 2010

Good for YOU !! I bet they are gathering legal as they now realize you

are one of *those* parents. At least now you have their attention and they

are taking you seriously. :-)

Carol in IL

Mom to , 9 DS

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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM, and FRANK <michdock@...>wrote:

>

> Ok.. today was the day. Logan's IEP at 3:30. and I and 8 kids/ sp

> needs adults. We had stuff to keep the kids busy.. but.. still my attention

> was scattered.

> Anyway.. the sped teacher showed a cute little slideshow.. and then... the

> speech therapist started with HER goals. She read the first goal.. which we

> WERE going to have her rewrite because it was not comprehensible nor

> measureable, but we never got to that point. After she read the goal, I

> turned to the gen ed teacher and asked her if she understood the goal and

> how she was going to implement that goal in the classroom. She stated that

> the aide would do it. I said again, but how do YOU work with his IEP goals

> in the classroom. She then stated that she does NOT work with the sped

> kids.. SHE works with the Gen Ed kids. The AIDE works with the sped kids.

> She gives the lesson plan to the sped teacher on Fridays and she writes up

> lessons for the aide to teach him the next week. The sped teacher IS in the

> classroom working with Logan and another child for an hour/day. The rest of

> the time the aide is responsible. We said that we knew they had wonderful

> staff and the sped teacher was very good at modifying the work, and that we

> were SURE the aides were very qualified AIDES, but we didn't feel it was

> appropriate for our son to be taught by an aide and not a teacher. The

> principal stated that he had 2 certified teachers working with him. We

> pointed out that the gen ed teacher had stated that she DIDN'T work with him

> and that the sped teacher was only with him for an hour... and we felt that

> the GEN ED teacher needed to be the one responsible and take ownership or it

> wasn't inclusion. WOW!!!

> The principal said.. " If that is the way this meeting is going to go, I am

> going to table the meeting. " I said. OK.. and she said.. " This meeting is

> tabled. I need everyone to leave the room immediately! "

> BOY did they scatter. Well, not US. We had to gather up 8 kids/adults and

> their books, cars, snacks, etc so it took us about 15 min to actually get

> from the classroom to our car. And we did NOT rush it! LOL. I wish I was a

> mouse in the corner of that principal's office where I am sure they were all

> hiding and watching us leave.

> OH what fun!!!

> Tomorrow will call the dir of sped and see where we get. Next time we

> sit down it will be with more legal support.

> On the way home, I was telling how it was in Chip's class for a little

> boy who has DS. The gen ed teacher calls on him and he works with the other

> children most of the time. The aide is with him, but she is a support. She

> does take him to another room to read sometimes during quiet reading time..

> but overall what I see is the teacher taking responsibility and getting

> support from the sped teacher and aide.

> Chip was sitting between us in the car(he and Logan are both in 2nd grade

> but at different schools.) Chip said.. " There is an empty chair at table 5

> and he would be sitting with a different group than XXX if he was in my

> class! " Oh.. I love my children.. 7 yrs old and he GETS inclusion!! Should I

> sign him up to give a workshop?

>

September 15, 2010

Interesting. One wonders if they were too distracted by all those kids to

be able to be professional educators. ; )

When is/was the IEP review date?

Judi

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of and FRANK

Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:30 PM

Subject: Was that REALLY and IEP meeting?????

Ok.. today was the day. Logan's IEP at 3:30. and I and 8 kids/ sp needs

adults. We had stuff to keep the kids busy.. but.. still my attention was

scattered.

Anyway.. the sped teacher showed a cute little slideshow.. and then... the

speech therapist started with HER goals. She read the first goal.. which we

WERE going to have her rewrite because it was not comprehensible nor

measureable, but we never got to that point. After she read the goal, I

turned to the gen ed teacher and asked her if she understood the goal and

how she was going to implement that goal in the classroom. She stated that

the aide would do it. I said again, but how do YOU work with his IEP goals

in the classroom. She then stated that she does NOT work with the sped

kids.. SHE works with the Gen Ed kids. The AIDE works with the sped kids.

She gives the lesson plan to the sped teacher on Fridays and she writes up

lessons for the aide to teach him the next week. The sped teacher IS in the

classroom working with Logan and another child for an hour/day. The rest of

the time the aide is responsible. We said that we knew they had wonderful

staff and the sped teacher was very good at modifying the work, and that we

were SURE the aides were very qualified AIDES, but we didn't feel it was

appropriate for our son to be taught by an aide and not a teacher. The

principal stated that he had 2 certified teachers working with him. We

pointed out that the gen ed teacher had stated that she DIDN'T work with him

and that the sped teacher was only with him for an hour... and we felt that

the GEN ED teacher needed to be the one responsible and take ownership or it

wasn't inclusion. WOW!!!

The principal said.. " If that is the way this meeting is going to go, I am

going to table the meeting. " I said. OK.. and she said.. " This meeting is

tabled. I need everyone to leave the room immediately! "

BOY did they scatter. Well, not US. We had to gather up 8 kids/adults and

their books, cars, snacks, etc so it took us about 15 min to actually get

from the classroom to our car. And we did NOT rush it! LOL. I wish I was a

mouse in the corner of that principal's office where I am sure they were all

hiding and watching us leave.

OH what fun!!!

Tomorrow will call the dir of sped and see where we get. Next time we

sit down it will be with more legal support.

On the way home, I was telling how it was in Chip's class for a little

boy who has DS. The gen ed teacher calls on him and he works with the other

children most of the time. The aide is with him, but she is a support. She

does take him to another room to read sometimes during quiet reading time..

but overall what I see is the teacher taking responsibility and getting

support from the sped teacher and aide.

Chip was sitting between us in the car(he and Logan are both in 2nd grade

but at different schools.) Chip said.. " There is an empty chair at table 5

and he would be sitting with a different group than XXX if he was in my

class! " Oh.. I love my children.. 7 yrs old and he GETS inclusion!! Should I

sign him up to give a workshop?

September 15, 2010

9/21/10 That is next Tuesday.

So, my question on THIS is.. does the fact that SHE tabled the meeting mean that

we are at " stay put " ?

or

Does that mean that on the 21st his IEP is exempt and we can reenroll him in our

home school?

Could this POSSIBLY work in our favor?

September 15, 2010

If I recallcorrectly, when there is no IEP in place you revert back to the

last IEP and are then in a holding pattern.

Carol in IL

Mom to , 9 DS

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:22 PM, and FRANK <michdock@...>wrote:

>

> 9/21/10 That is next Tuesday.

>

> So, my question on THIS is.. does the fact that SHE tabled the meeting mean

> that we are at " stay put " ?

> or

> Does that mean that on the 21st his IEP is exempt and we can reenroll him

> in our home school?

> Could this POSSIBLY work in our favor?

>

September 15, 2010

Unless no IEP is ever written and agreed on after eligibility or a parent

revokes consent for an IEP and services (or eligibility decision), there is

ALWAYS an IEP in place, it just might not be very up to date. The most

recently consented IEP is _THE IEP_ until one way or another, a new one

replaces it.

Judi