Vitamix

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cool. :-)

lingowtr wrote:

>

> From: " lingowtr " <lingowtr@...>

> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:50:38 -0000

> Subject: Vitamix

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone asked about a Vitamix. I've owned one for 10+ years and have

> used it heavily some years and not so often others. I've used it to

> grind grain, make ice cream, smoothies, orange juilius drinks,

> soups, bread dough, and probably other stuff I've forgotten about

> now.

>

> It's excellent and all parts are replaceable (I've replaced a couple

> parts a few times), but I do have one complaint about it: it's got a

> very loud motor. Now remember that mine is an old Vitamix-- the all-

> metal " professional " model. I don't know if the newer ones are

> quieter, but it would be worth checking before you buy.

>

> If you're just planning on using it for just making smoothies, it

> could be overkill. For blenders, I'd recommend the Juicelady

> blender. It's considerably cheaper ($65) but crushes ice really well

> and makes incredible protein shakes. I bought one for a friend of

> mine and tried it out last week. It was wonderful and very quiet.

>

> Here's a link to the Juicelady:

[Guest guest]

I tried it once -- but you really need to strain out the fibrous junk.

I tried a coffee filter, but that wasn't porous enough. I don't know the

name of the cloth used in jam making, but that was suggested.

You could strain with doubled or tripled over cheesecloth -- you could get

however much glunk you wanted that way. Or chew it.

[Guest guest]

costco Canada or costco US?

thanks

wendy

worth <cworth@...> wrote:

at our local cost-co the other day they had a gal

doing demos of the vitamix machine.

they are selling the model 5000

[ like we have ] for $349 ---but it's a special so

it is only for a few days--but

it's a good deal. we bought ours 9-10 years ago

for $400. it's wonderful! tonight for dinner i made

a green smoothie for hubby and me. i put

an orange, some rice milk, some almond fiber powder,

some strawberry protein powder, a banana, some maple syrup,

some organic kale and a few ice cubes. yum.

sometimes i make great tasting/easy/ healthy " meals "

using fruits & berries and organic kale or any of the organic lettuces.

see:

http://www.vitamix.com

as i said, we have the Vita-Mix 5000

i really love the idea of " whole food juice "

read these questions & answers:

Q: What is whole food juice?

A: Whole food juice is the combination of the juice and fiber from

either fruits or vegetables prepared in the Vita-Mix machine. The speed

and tremendous force of the Vita-Mix Super 5000 stainless steel blade

tips travel at 240 m.p.h. at high speed and the customized hammermill

and cutting blades literally pulverize food down to the cellular level.

All the vitamins, enzymes, and nutrition comes to you intact with full

flavor in Vita-Mix whole food juice.

Q: Why is a Vita-Mix juice better than extracted juice?

A: Vita-Mix juice includes both the juice and pulp from your produce.

The pulp contains valuable nutrition that is missing in extracted

juice. Vita-Mix juice helps make it easy to get the FDA recommended 5

to 7 servings of fruits and vegetables we need daily for a healthy diet.

[Guest guest]

Cost-co US.

I am in california

...................................................

costco Canada or costco US?

thanks

wendy

worth <cworth@...> wrote:

at our local cost-co the other day they had a gal

doing demos of the vitamix machine.

[Guest guest]

> at our local cost-co the other day they had a gal doing demos of the

> vitamix machine.

There is a place for true 'juices' - e.g., when you want to assimilate

the nutrients as quickly as possible - but this is not possible with a

vitamix. I also like the idea of whole food 'juice', in that it makes

sure the food is completely broken down (at least, far more than is

possible simply by chewing).

I have a vitamix (had it for a long time), and really dislike it as a

'whole food juicer'. The result is extremely aerated - 'foamy', if you

will. Trying to drink the result is very unpleasant, and causes lots of

burping, and even gas if you don't drink it slowly enough. Another 'bad'

thing about it is it heats whatever you are blending up as it is

blending, because of its high speeds - in fact, one of its selling

points is its ability to 'make soups' right in the blender - it does

this because it heats everything up as it is blending it. I honestly

don't use it much, although it is great for crushing ice, and

pre-blending tomatos (at low speeds) and things for soups.

However, regardless of the type of juice (whole food or not), it is very

important to not just gulp it down. You should sip it, and swish it

around in the mouth, as if you were chewing it, because a big part of

the digestive process occurs in the mouth, where enzymes in the saliva

prepare what is being eaten for processing in the stomach, by both

'pre-digesting' the food, and signaling the rest of the system (stomach

etc) what is on the way, so it can prepare to deliver the necessary and

appropriate digestive enzymes.

I much prefer a good low-speed triturating juicer - I have a green star

- and if you want whole food juice, just mix the pulp back in with the

juice when you're done. You even have control over how much of the pulp

is included, so you can adjust it to your own taste. It is so much

smoother and tastier - no air mixed in at all... yummie!

If you have access to one (a low speed juicer like this), try it.

[Guest guest]

Well, that said I don't want a vitamix either. I certainly want all

the nutrients I can get out of any juicer I might spend good money on.

Steph

[Guest guest]

On 10/7/2007 1:40:26 PM, ectopistes@... wrote:

> Chuck, the vitamix, is it a juicer or a blender? I just want a

> juicer. If the vitamix is a juicer, has it ever jammed up on you and

> does it have enough power? By what method does it extract the juice

> and do you know how much they cost?

> I definately don't want the green star if it takes that long to clean.

>

> Steph

>

Steph

The vitamix is a blender in that it does not separate juice from pulp.

If you want clear juice you'll have to filter through cheesecloth or

something.

It is very difficult to stall,(you have to be trying), extremely

powerful.

I used to peel oranges whole and throw them in seeds and all. Never

saw the seeds after that.

Prices vary as to deal. Check their website. www.vitamix.com

The new models don't use the stainless steel container with the spigot

anymore.

Prices are in the $400-$500 range.

Check ebay, they show up.

Chuck

Support your local medical examiner--die strangely

[Guest guest]

Um, depends--again--on what you believe. There's a whole new thought

process about the 3 and a half horse power blenders. It is believed that it

takes this size motor (which is bigger than the vita mix) to break down ever

cell wall of any fruit or veggie, and thereby release ALL the nutrients plus

you get all the fiber, which you wind up throwing away if you juice with a

juicer.

You can read about the differences between juicers and all the blenders and

why you need that horse power at

www.blindguru.com On the left you can click juicers and then blenders and

read up. I wound up buying a Blend Tek as it has the " right " size motor.

It makes a great drink, releases all the phytonutrients and keeps all the

fiber. I strain nothing and it's not foamy at all. My old Vitamix did foam

stuff.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Well, that said I don't want a vitamix either. I certainly want all

the nutrients I can get out of any juicer I might spend good money on.

Steph

[Guest guest]

, how easy is your blend tec to clean? Steph

[Guest guest]

Super easy. I bought the cleaning brush with it, and it's a snap. The

blades are inside so things can get caught under it--not if you really blend

though, because then it's just juice. :-) But, the cleaning brush gets

everything out, so far.

The base of my old vitamix was chrome, so that was easy to wipe off, and the

base of the Blend Tek has a nonskid type of surface on top, so it's not

quite the quick wipe and walk away, but as for the blender container--simple

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

, how easy is your blend tec to clean? Steph

[Guest guest]

I have a champion juicer and a vitamix. both,

But I got tired of cleaning the damned champion juicer. I find the whole

juice that the Vitamix makes is so finely pulverized that it makes

a suitable smoothie to drink. Besides, I can put two handfulls of

spinach in it, (including the stems) and it just turns it into liquid.

With a little water or better yet, soymilk and fresh fruit in the

mixing container,

it makes for a nutritious and throughly delicious smoothie.

To clean the vitamix, I put a drop of dish soap in the Vitamix , run it

for 30 seconds,

rinse it out and it is clean.

See, while a standard high end blender has at most a 1/3 to 1/2 horse

power

motor, the Vitamix has a 2+ horsepower engine.  I call it the blender on

steroids. Put warm water in it and run it with veggies for 3

minutes and you have steaming soup, ready to eat.

I have had juice from the juicer, smoothies with the juicer and blender

and I find the Vitamix to be far superior. Besides, you do get the extra

fiber with the whole food juice and that is another plus for me.

It's personal choice, but I prefer the Vitamix .

Nutritionally, the pulp has a lot of fiber which almost everybody does  

not consume enough of.  Eating the fruit is the smartest bet because it

would be difficult to eat 3-4 grapefruit (mainly because of the bulk)

but it might take that many to give you a glass of juice (which would

pack in a lot of calories from sugar relativel to the nutritional

content). So eating fruit would be your best bet.  If you decide not to

eat fruit, or if eating 3 or 4 fruits at a time is too difficult,

using something like the Vitamix or any other powerful

blender would be better than a juicer that will essentially merely give

you a sugar solution.    You are getting a concentrated dose of sugar

with most juicers and if you are consuming juices from a health

perspective it is probably a bad choice.   STEPH-you say you do not

want to consume sugar so don't get a juicer then.

Shell

[Guest guest]

> The vitamix is a blender in that it does not separate juice from pulp.

> If you want clear juice you'll have to filter through cheesecloth or

> something.

Bad advice... if you want a juicer, do NOT buy a vitamix.

> I used to peel oranges whole and throw them in seeds and all. Never

> saw the seeds after that.

Whole orange juice was the absolute WORST juice I ever had from the

vitamix. Nothing but froth...

[Guest guest]

> to break down ever cell wall of any fruit or veggie, and thereby

> release ALL the nutrients plus you get all the fiber, which you wind

> up throwing away if you juice with a juicer.

That's just the point though - for someone who is SICK, and has a

compromised digestive system, pulpLESS juice is by far and above the way

to go. The body has to do virtually nothing to be able to make use of

the nutrients - and the Green Star most definitely does a MUCH BETTER

job at breaking down the cell walls of the plant matter to release the

nutrients than any blender - and it does so at low impact, twisting and

grinding, as opposed to super-duper high-speed atomic blasting.

Steph - make up your own mind - but if you are looking for super

nutrition, easily assimilable - get a true juicer, and FOREGO the pulp

until your digestive system is in better shape.

Of course - you can always choose to add some of the pulp back in

occasionally, if you want to get the benefit of the fiber - but there is

NO nutritional value to speak of in it.

[Guest guest]

Well again--it depends on what you've read and what you believe. Dr. Wu has

cured everything and attributes it to the phytonutrients made with the high

hp blender. He adds things you can't add to juicers such as avocado pits,

flax and sesame seeds, etc. He thinks it's all perfectly fine for people

even with (and especially for) compromised digestion--as a matter of fact,

he thinks the blender method is superior to the juicer method.

So, a person has to read up on both and, as I always say, go with your gut

instincts on all of it as that will always be the best for each individual.

I'm just giving options. For me--my instinct is to follow the blender path.

For you, it's follow the juicer path. Both paths will end up at the

wellness center. :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

That's just the point though - for someone who is SICK, and has a

compromised digestive system, pulpLESS juice is by far and above the way

to go.

[Guest guest]

On 10/8/2007, oxyplus (oxyplus ) wrote:

> You are getting a concentrated dose of sugar with most juicers and if

> you are consuming juices from a health perspective it is probably a

> bad choice. STEPH-you say you do not want to consume sugar so don't

> get a juicer then.

Bah... this is only true if you are juicing things with high sugar content.

If you are dealing with a serious health issue, you should NOT be

juicing fruits or anything with a high sugar content. You should be

juicing darke green leafy veggies (wheatgrass, kale, spinach, dandelion,

etc), with some other things like bell peppers (red and green), ginger,

garlic, etc - and you certainly will NOT be getting too much sugar from

these.

Carrots are an exception, but you should only use carrot juice to

'sweeten' the green juices. I recommend against drinking large

quantities of straight carrot juice - although it is really tasty -

until you have dealt with the worst of your problems.

If you want fruit juice - I agree - use your MOUTH. Otherwise, yes, you

will be getting way too much sugar...

[Guest guest]

> Well again--it depends on what you've read and what you believe.

No, it depends on facts and evidence. A blender works completely

differently than a low RPM twin gear triturating juicer.

> Dr. Wu has cured everything and attributes it to the phytonutrients

> made with the high hp blender.

I'm not saying what you get from the vitamix is worthless nutritionally

- so yes, he may have high success rates with the vitamix...

> He adds things you can't add to juicers such as avocado pits, flax

> and sesame seeds, etc.

Large things like avocado may be a problem, yes - but I wouldn't want to

eat those anyway. My Green Star makes marvelous nut butters, so have no

idea why you seem tothink you can't run nuts through it.

> So, a person has to read up on both and, as I always say, go with

> your gut instincts on all of it as that will always be the best for

> each individual. I'm just giving options. For me--my instinct is to

> follow the blender path. For you, it's follow the juicer path. Both

> paths will end up at the wellness center. :-)

On this I will agree - I call this the 'compliance factor'... I

recommend that someone decide what they want and/or are willing to do

that comes closest to the 'ideal', and just do it.

Me, I prefer just doing the ideal - but some people are finicky and

picky, and should not go the juicer route if a little extra work

cleaning it is not worth the higher quality juice (both in form and

substance) you'll get from a quality juicer like the Green Star.

[Guest guest]

No, it depends on what you BELIEVE to be the facts and evidence--considering

that there are always facts and evidence that totally disprove each other

and you have to wind up choosing which ones fit your belief system. And yes

a blender works completely differently than a juicer. I have both. I

basically only use my blender now. Not a Vitamix, but the more powerful

Blend Tek. I have both a Vitamix (very old one) and the new Blend Tek. The

blend tek is much more powerful.

I didn't say I couldn't run seeds through my juicer to make nut butters

(actually, I much prefer to do it in my little food grinder as it is easier

to clean). I wasn't talking about making nut butters. I'm talking about

adding things to the blended foods to turn them into what they call super

foods. Things that enhance what you are drinking. Things that don't render

juice when ground, so putting them through a juicer would be worthless. To

put them into juice you'd need a separate machine like a spice grinder or a

food grinder, then you'd put that into the liquid. With the blend tek you

just throw it in there, blend for a few seconds, and you wind up with a

super food combination. Something you can't do in a juicer.

The avocado pits have the highest amount of soluble fiber in the world,

which wipes out plaque in the arteries. So Wu and other raw foodists add

the pits to their blends (and only the blend tek will blend it up) for extra

protein. It's just about tasteless so doesn't " interfere " with the flavor

of your drink, yet makes a healthier drink that a juice alone.

So your ideal and my ideal are different. Big deal. And if someone wants

all the benefits of juicing, plus the added fiber, without all the work of

cleaning a juicer, then the high horse power blender is the way to go.

Options, Simon, options. People should understand there's always more than

one way to get where you are going. Blender, juicer--both are excellent for

anyone--sick or well. But if I had to pick just one, it would be the

blender--with the note that it must be one strong enough to do the job.

Just as your low speed twin gear juicer is better than the common juicers

bought at the local wal-mart.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

No, it depends on facts and evidence. A blender works completely

differently than a low RPM twin gear triturating juicer.

[Guest guest]

Any links to Dr. Wu ?

Thanks,

dlipter

Re: Re: vitamix

Well again--it depends on what you've read and what you believe. Dr. Wu has

cured everything and attributes it to the phytonutrients made with the high

hp blender. He adds things you can't add to juicers such as avocado pits,

flax and sesame seeds, etc. He thinks it's all perfectly fine for people

even with (and especially for) compromised digestion--as a matter of fact,

he thinks the blender method is superior to the juicer method.

So, a person has to read up on both and, as I always say, go with your gut

instincts on all of it as that will always be the best for each individual.

I'm just giving options. For me--my instinct is to follow the blender path.

For you, it's follow the juicer path. Both paths will end up at the

wellness center. :-)

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

That's just the point though - for someone who is SICK, and has a

compromised digestive system, pulpLESS juice is by far and above the way

to go.

[Guest guest]

No, not any more. The guy that really brought his work to the public

apparently had some sort of falling out with Dr. Wu. He use to sell dvds of

Dr. Wu's lectures and all this really terrific information on how to use

foods to heal naturally, all based on the 3 to 3 and a half horse power

blender. Now the site doesn't even mention Dr. Wu by name--Jeff just says

my teachers " , as Dr Wu and his wife both instructed in the food healing.

You can still buy the smoothie (veggie smoothies) book and the book that

tells how and why the foods work the way they do, for each type of disease,

but no mention of Dr. Wu anymore. The books are based on Wu's food healing

method. The site is

http://qigong.com/food-healing-philosophy.htm where you can read some about

the phytonutrient program. Once you have a high horsepower blender, the

rest is just buying food. So you can still get the basics of Dr. Wu, but

not get all the great info that Wu had on the dvds, by buying the 2 books at

the qigong site. I have both books listed at the qigong site, and luckily I

got the dvds included when I bought my Blend Tek at

www.blindguru.com They don't mention the dvds at blind guru, I think, but

they came with the blender. Don't know if they still do that or not, but it

might be worth asking them if you could perhaps just buy a copy of the dvds

if you already have a good blender.

I've searched some for Dr. Wu's name via Google, but never came up with

anything. I don't know if he has a practice somewhere, or went back home,

or what happened. Jeff won't talk about it (I took a class from Jeff on

qigong). That's why I think it was a parting of ways.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Any links to Dr. Wu ?

[Guest guest]

> No, it depends on what you BELIEVE to be the facts and

> evidence--

Lol... people can say the dumbest things (me too, so no offense intended)...

Belief has nothing to do with fact - unless you 'believe' that people

who used to 'believe' that the earth was flat were justified in their

'belief'?

> considering that there are always facts and evidence that totally

> disprove each other and you have to wind up choosing which ones fit

> your belief system.

Wrong, . There are a *lot* of things that do not fall into that

category, ... the law of gravity for one. It doesn't care whether

you 'believe' in it or not - jump of a cliff, go splat.

> I didn't say I couldn't run seeds through my juicer to make nut

> butters (actually, I much prefer to do it in my little food grinder

> as it is easier to clean). I wasn't talking about making nut butters.

> I'm talking about adding things to the blended foods to turn them

> into what they call super foods. Things that enhance what you are

> drinking. Things that don't render juice when ground, so putting them

> through a juicer would be worthless. To put them into juice you'd

> need a separate machine like a spice grinder or a food grinder, then

> you'd put that into the liquid. With the blend tek you just throw it

> in there, blend for a few seconds, and you wind up with a super food

> combination. Something you can't do in a juicer.

To an extent you are correct - but I have mentioned more than once that

you can always add pulp back in - but again, having the pulp with the

juice causes it to act completely differently when ingested - ie, it

will cause your body to essentially go into 'digest' mode, rather than

'assimilate' mode, and it will sit in your stomach and undergo

'digestion', rather than going straight into the intestines and being

absorbed directly into the bloodstream.

Thia is fine, as long as the digestion is not seriously impaired - but

then, you aren't JUICING, you are BLENDING.

And just so you know - I see nothing wrong with that - just don't tell

someone it is the SAME as juicing when it obviously ISN'T.

> The avocado pits have the highest amount of soluble fiber in the

> world, which wipes out plaque in the arteries. So Wu and other raw

> foodists add the pits to their blends (and only the blend tek will

> blend it up) for extra protein. It's just about tasteless so doesn't

> " interfere " with the flavor of your drink, yet makes a healthier

> drink that a juice alone.

Is that a 'fact', ?

But seriously, this is interesting, and I may look at that later - and

may have even found a new use for my old vitamix... thanks!

> So your ideal and my ideal are different.

Ain't it grand?

> And if someone wants all the benefits of juicing, plus the added

> fiber, without all the work of cleaning a juicer, then the high horse

> power blender is the way to go.

Already exploded this myth...

> Options, Simon, options. People should understand there's always more

> than one way to get where you are going. Blender, juicer--both are

> excellent for anyone--sick or well. But if I had to pick just one, it

> would be the blender--with the note that it must be one strong enough

> to do the job. Just as your low speed twin gear juicer is better than

> the common juicers bought at the local wal-mart.

I agree... to each his or her own - and as long as they are armed with

the proper facts, they can make a proper evaluation...

[Guest guest]

,

I have a Blendtec blender and want to expand my use of it. Do you feel the book

& DVD " Conquering any Disease " and the " Smoothie Formulas " book offered at the

Qigong site is worth it?

For $175 the whole package includes a Qigong video too.

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: Re: vitamix

No, not any more. The guy that really brought his work to the public

apparently had some sort of falling out with Dr. Wu. He use to sell dvds of

Dr. Wu's lectures and all this really terrific information on how to use

foods to heal naturally, all based on the 3 to 3 and a half horse power

blender. Now the site doesn't even mention Dr. Wu by name--Jeff just says

my teachers " , as Dr Wu and his wife both instructed in the food healing.

You can still buy the smoothie (veggie smoothies) book and the book that

tells how and why the foods work the way they do, for each type of disease,

but no mention of Dr. Wu anymore. The books are based on Wu's food healing

method. The site is

http://qigong.com/food-healing-philosophy.htm where you can read some about

the phytonutrient program. Once you have a high horsepower blender, the

rest is just buying food. So you can still get the basics of Dr. Wu, but

not get all the great info that Wu had on the dvds, by buying the 2 books at

the qigong site. I have both books listed at the qigong site, and luckily I

got the dvds included when I bought my Blend Tek at

www.blindguru.com They don't mention the dvds at blind guru, I think, but

they came with the blender. Don't know if they still do that or not, but it

might be worth asking them if you could perhaps just buy a copy of the dvds

if you already have a good blender.

I've searched some for Dr. Wu's name via Google, but never came up with

anything. I don't know if he has a practice somewhere, or went back home,

or what happened. Jeff won't talk about it (I took a class from Jeff on

qigong). That's why I think it was a parting of ways.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Any links to Dr. Wu ?

[Guest guest]

Well, hopefully you understood that I wasn't talking about such things as

gravity. What I meant was anything having to do with health in the

body--not counting what would happen to the body if it jumped off a 10 story

building. :-) Belief has a STRONG force on our health. Whether you

believe something is going to or not going to work can have a huge factor in

how well you do. It's an emotional, mental thing--not so much physical.

Yep, vit. C does such and such--and that's a fact--and will work in anyone's

body. But, if you don't believe it is going to work, then you will not gain

all the benefits from doing that protocol. That is a fact also. Our body

does believe what we say and tell ourselves. That's why 2 people will have

different results doing the very same protocols. The one who will gain the

most, physically, from the protocol is the one who believes the protocol

will work. The one who doesn't believe the protocol will work will

certainly not gain all the benefits, and it might not work for them at all.

Our mind is powerful, as are our emotions. They have a great impact on our

health. That is the point I have been trying to make that you seem

unwilling to discuss. You keep wanting to go after facts, without taking

into consideration that health is not always about facts. It can, and is,

many times, about belief.

A simple example. When I happen across a garden snake I enjoy watching it

slither away, noting it's beauty and how sleek it is. When my husband, who

is deathly afraid of snakes for no reason what-so-ever (never having had a

snake " incident " ) sees one, his heart immediately begins to beat fast,

adrenalin begins pumping, he hyperventilates and runs the opposite direction

of the snake. That is an physical response to an emotion. I can give him

all the anti-fear talk in the world and it will not make a dent in his

response. He doesn't believe in what I say. He believes snakes to be

dangerous, sneaky creatures.

Same thing with belief in a health protocol. Yes, certain foods and certain

supplements will do certain things, belief or no. But--no one will get well

if they don't believe they can get well. No one will gain all the benefits

if they don't believe in what they are doing. If they consistently take

some supplement, all the while saying " this isn't going to help. I know it

s not " then even you have to admit (right?) that it is not going to help

them as much as the person who takes the same supplement and says " I can

feel this healing me right now. I KNOW I'm getting better " . If you can't

understand that about health and the human body, then of course it would be

best to stay within your facts and research and never venture out into the

world of emotions, beliefs, prayer, meditation, etc. Everything we do has

an impact on our health, every belief, every thought, every action. To the

extent that we believe in what we are doing is the extent we receive results

And for the record--I use to totally believe in juicing. I have a great

juicer and told anyone that asked that if you were really sick then taking a

30 day juice fast would be one of the best things to do. But, I studied and

researched and have since decided that doing the whole food is better than

juicing. For anyone. If broken down enough it's as easy for the body to

assimilate the nutrition from blended foods as juiced foods. I think you'd

need to try a high horsepower blended food before making a decision on this.

I have juiced, I have used my Vitamix and I now use the Blend Tek. I

prefer the Blend Tek. It undoubtedly becomes a personal choice in the end,

but it would be best to try them out to see before you say one can't work as

good as the other.

And just as a thought--what about the avatars that believe in levitation and

supposedly practice it. Wouldn't that be proof against the fact of gravity?

:-)

Samala,

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I agree... to each his or her own - and as long as they are armed with

the proper facts, they can make a proper evaluation...

[Guest guest]

Hi Dennis. Um, depends on if you want to learn qigong. :-) I took Jeff's

4 day class, which was, naturally, mostly about qigong, but did cover a bit

about the food. Yes--if you are interested in qigong then the full package

is very worth it.

If you don't need the background of why the food works, or which food works

for what, then the smoothie book is enough. It lists just the recipes.

Like--what to put in to make the anti-cancer smoothie, what to put in to

make the digestive smoothie, etc. But if you want to know what foods do

what, then I'd say get the Conquering Any Disease book also. His video of

it is basically just what the book says. You don't need both book and DVD

unless it's only sold that way. At the workshop we could buy each

individually. I haven't checked on the site. The reason you might want

both books is because the Conquering book only talks about the foods and

what they do, but gives no recipes. The recipe book gives all the recipes

they use for healing anything, but gives no background on WHY you use the

foods you use. It is strictly recipes and that's it.

So--if you want to learn a good, easy yet powerful qigong, then get the set.

If you just want to learn what smoothies to use for certain illnesses, just

get the smoothie book. If you want to learn what foods are good at fighting

a health issue so that eventually you can start custom making your own

smoothies, then the Conquering book is good.

Hope this helps--I didn't want to just say " do this " or " do that " because I

don't know exactly what you are looking for.

Samala,

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I have a Blendtec blender and want to expand my use of it. Do you feel the

book & DVD " Conquering any Disease " and the " Smoothie Formulas " book

offered at the Qigong site is worth it?

For $175 the whole package includes a Qigong video too.

[Guest guest]

If you are talking about Dr Woo's book. It is definately worth it! I

attended a Qigong class and got the book and video. Of course you have to do

it!! I got the Blendtec too. After 2 weeks my skin was baby smooth and my

joints did not hurt in the morning.

V

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we

are powerful beyond imagination. It is our light more than our darkness

which scares us. We ask ourselves – who are we to be brilliant, beautiful,

talented, and fabulous. But honestly, who are you to not be so?

You are a child of God, small games do not work in this world. For those

around us to feel peace, it is not an example to make ourselves small. We

were born to express the glory of god that lives in us. It is not in some of

us, it is in all of us. While we allow our light to shine, we unconsciously

give permission for others to do the same. When we liberate ourselves from

our own fears, simply our presence may liberate others.”

- nne on in Return to Love: Reflections on a Course in Miracles

>From: " Dennis Lipter " <blackcat54@...>

>Reply-oxyplus

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>Subject: Re: Re: vitamix

>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:49:20 -0400

>

>,

>

>I have a Blendtec blender and want to expand my use of it. Do you feel the

>book & DVD " Conquering any Disease " and the " Smoothie Formulas " book

>offered at the Qigong site is worth it?

>

>For $175 the whole package includes a Qigong video too.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Dennis

>

>

> Re: Re: vitamix

>

>

> No, not any more. The guy that really brought his work to the public

> apparently had some sort of falling out with Dr. Wu. He use to sell dvds

>of

> Dr. Wu's lectures and all this really terrific information on how to use

> foods to heal naturally, all based on the 3 to 3 and a half horse power

> blender. Now the site doesn't even mention Dr. Wu by name--Jeff just

>says

> my teachers " , as Dr Wu and his wife both instructed in the food healing.

> You can still buy the smoothie (veggie smoothies) book and the book that

> tells how and why the foods work the way they do, for each type of

>disease,

> but no mention of Dr. Wu anymore. The books are based on Wu's food

>healing

> method. The site is

>

> http://qigong.com/food-healing-philosophy.htm where you can read some

>about

> the phytonutrient program. Once you have a high horsepower blender, the

> rest is just buying food. So you can still get the basics of Dr. Wu, but

> not get all the great info that Wu had on the dvds, by buying the 2

>books at

> the qigong site. I have both books listed at the qigong site, and

>luckily I

> got the dvds included when I bought my Blend Tek at

> www.blindguru.com They don't mention the dvds at blind guru, I think,

>but

> they came with the blender. Don't know if they still do that or not, but

>it

> might be worth asking them if you could perhaps just buy a copy of the

>dvds

> if you already have a good blender.

>

> I've searched some for Dr. Wu's name via Google, but never came up with

> anything. I don't know if he has a practice somewhere, or went back

>home,

> or what happened. Jeff won't talk about it (I took a class from Jeff on

> qigong). That's why I think it was a parting of ways.

>

> Samala,

>

>

>

>

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

> Any links to Dr. Wu ?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you mean that you have a book that actually mentions Dr. Wu? Or is it

that you just know it was him that taught about the food and Blendtec? Or,

maybe you bought the book before Jeff had the falling out with Wu? I would

have loved to gotten the info when Dr. Wu was listed on Jeff's site, but I

waited till Jeff came here to teach, and by then they had parted ways. But,

I wonder if the book he has now--Conquering Any Disease-- says the same

thing as the original. It may not be quite as much info as the original,

but at least I have the dvds. <shrug> Anyway, it is great information and a

great path towards health.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

If you are talking about Dr Woo's book. It is definately worth it! I

attended a Qigong class and got the book and video. Of course you have to do

it!! I got the Blendtec too. After 2 weeks my skin was baby smooth and my

joints did not hurt in the morning.