Re: Digest Number 134

[Guest guest]

> I have seen the corkscrew type floaters often, but could they possibly be

>spirochetes? I would think the bacteria would be too small to see with the

>naked eye?? But what do I know?

>Marta

Because the spirochetes in the eye are so close to the sight receptors in the

back of the eye, they are, in essence, magnified so you can see them clearly.

I specifically asked the doctor about that. If you could look in the eye with

a microscope camera as a spirochete floated by, you would be able to

photograph it. It would be a great way to prove active infection, but I don't

know where you would have that done.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

In talking about PICC lines, Lovette said

> Only problem with it is you can't get it wet when you shower. So, I

>just hung my hand outside the shower and held on to the top.

You can by something called a " CASTGARD " (I think that's how you spell it.)

It is a rubber cover which slips over the arm to keep a cast dry. My daughter

used it for her IV's and was even able to swim with it. We actually use two

on top of each other. It worked very well - in fact, she water-skied with it

and went to a water-slide park with it and had no problems (that she felt well

enough to think about water-skiing shows how dramatically IV antibiotics can

aid in the fight against Lyme). The top of over is very tight , so you need

someone to help you get it over the IV sight. Check with your doctor or IV

nurse if you have any concerns.

You can buy the Castgard in medical supply stores and some pharmacies. Your

local pharmacy can probably order it. Well worth the money, especially for

kids.

Carolyn C.

[Guest guest]

>I thought all floaters were spirochete shaped and always have been normal?

Floaters can also be non-descript blobs, (sometimes just cells that have

broken off from the inside of the eye I seem to remember - but better check

that with someone who knows what their talking about). Many " perfectly

healthy people " get floaters (Of course many of you have been told you are

perfectly healthy, so I'm not sure what that term means.) especially as they

get older I think.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Marci wrote about floaters,

>he told me that there was no way that I could

>see something so microscopic.

Marci's doctor should talk to my optometrist, who said of course you could see

that in the eye. Sounds like logical optical physics reality to me. If you

put a microscopic cell near a bunch of microscopic vision cells, of course

they'll be able to see it. Anybody remember Gulliver and his description of

the giant princess (or was she a queen?)?

Carolyn C.

[Guest guest]

Can't help but be struck by all of Whitman's medical problems which sound like

potential Lyme problems. Too bad we can't get her some time to read the

newsgroup. It would sure be nice if someone cultured and microscoped her

appendix for Lyme (and other tick-borne diseases?).

Carolyn C.

[Guest guest]

> Dear Friends: Isn't the eye a lens which could MAGNIFY the little

>buggers???Certainly the size of these floaters aren't actual size - they are

>enlarged when you look at a white wall.

Floaters are behind the lens, so the lens serves no purpose in magnifying the

floater, but it does concentrate the light coming in behind the floated, just

like the light condenser on a microscope does, therefore making it possible to

see the spirochete in the eye more clearly.

Marci said she can actually see the nucleus in her spirochetes. Anybody else

get that much detail? Would be interesting if everyone who sees these could

draw a copy of what they see in detail while looking a a well lit white

background. Do it before you look up what a Borrelia really looks like. I am

going to compile all these floater testimonials and give them to my

optometrist. Maybe he can get the info to someone who would be able to pursue

it as a research project. So if you make a drawing, send it to me via snail

mail (e-mail me personally and I'll send you my address if you have a

drawing.) And if you have more details about your floater experiences, please

post them or send them to me at cramoy@....

I think I will also do the visual migraine effects and other visual

phenomenon, so post or send it all and I will compile it.

Carolyn C.

[Guest guest]

My opthomologist says he can see the floaters in my eyes. Maybe, one of

you with the corkscrew floater could get your eye doctor to look at it

and see if it's still a corkscrew shape. I would think that would make a

great research project for some one in Lyme.

On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:32:27 EST Cramoy@... writes:

>From: Cramoy@...

>

>> Dear Friends: Isn't the eye a lens which could MAGNIFY the little

>>buggers???Certainly the size of these floaters aren't actual size -

>they are

>>enlarged when you look at a white wall.

>

>

>Floaters are behind the lens, so the lens serves no purpose in

>magnifying the

>floater, but it does concentrate the light coming in behind the

>floated, just

>like the light condenser on a microscope does, therefore making it

>possible to

>see the spirochete in the eye more clearly.

> Marci said she can actually see the nucleus in her

>spirochetes. Anybody else

>get that much detail? Would be interesting if everyone who sees these

>could

>draw a copy of what they see in detail while looking a a well lit

>white

>background. Do it before you look up what a Borrelia really looks

>like. I am

>going to compile all these floater testimonials and give them to my

>optometrist. Maybe he can get the info to someone who would be able

>to pursue

>it as a research project. So if you make a drawing, send it to me via

>snail

>mail (e-mail me personally and I'll send you my address if you have a

>drawing.) And if you have more details about your floater

>experiences, please

>post them or send them to me at cramoy@....

> I think I will also do the visual migraine effects and other

>visual

>phenomenon, so post or send it all and I will compile it.

> Carolyn C.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

when she was dx'ed a few years ago i called her office to tell her that i was

a lymie and please to not drop the ball for us.......we need a " big name " like

aids has but......she fumbled it .....doesn't want to admit to having this

dreaded disease

Reid

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

Thanks for clearing that up....isn't the human body amazing? The

majority of my floaters are not corkscrew shaped, rather like teeny threads

or hairs, the spirochete shaped ones are rare. Remember that movie, or was

it a TV show, " Fantastic Voyage " where the scientists were shrunk to

miniscule size and put in the human body??? We could sure use someone in

our bodies finding the little buggers. LOL!

Marta

---

>From: Cramoy@...

>

>

>

>> I have seen the corkscrew type floaters often, but could they possibly

be

>>Because the spirochetes in the eye are so close to the sight receptors in

the

>back of the eye, they are, in essence, magnified so you can see them

clearly.

>I specifically asked the doctor about that. If you could look in the eye

with

>a microscope camera as a spirochete floated by, you would be able to

>photograph it. It would be a great way to prove active infection, but I

don't

>know where you would have that done.

>

>Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/13/99 8:33:22 AM, Cramoy@... wrote:

>Marci's doctor should talk to my optometrist, who said of course you could

see

>that in the eye.

Hey, maybe Marci should just go to see your dr? :-) I too am sick of getting

new glasses, only to have the rx change within months. I gave up and just

don;t see as well now.

Marci

[Guest guest]

> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:38:33 PST

> From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

> Subject: Re: to those wanting Information

>

> Dear Elso,

>

> " The Owner's Manual for the Human Body " . How to look after the most

> precious thing you own. Complimentary copy sent to you if you provide

> your mailing address. Presently out of stock (again!), but new batch

> coming up next week.

>

> Best of Health!

> Saul Pressman

> saul@...

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> Message: 2

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:00:04 -0500

> From: Jim Lambert <jim@...>

> Subject: O2 & cancer - repost from oxylist

>

> For list members who aren't on the oxylist, I felt this

> post from Dr. Borman bears being reposted here. You might

> also read the questions at the bottome which prompted this

> post in answer.

>

> jim

>

> Dear R. & List:

>

> I'll put in my 2 cents. I hope an HBO person with

> experience does

> also. I'm just going to go with the thought

> processes...I'm in a hurry

> because I have patients coming but I wanted to get this

> done before I

> forget...please forgive any ramblings.

>

> My understanding from our MD's at the treatment center in

> Tijuana I work

> with is that oxygen will inhibit cancer cells in a petri

> dish and by

> direct hit, and its mechanism for killing cancer cells is

> secondary in

> the body itself...in other words, it adjusts the pH, ion

> potential, etc.

> converts toxins to inhert substances (enviornment) to

> detoxify the body

> and upregulate certain signaling immunochemicals to such

> as TNF-a (tumor

> necrosis factor-alpha), Natural Killer Cells (which lots

> of things

> upregulate like Beta Glucan and Enzyme Therapy),

> Interferon, etc. We're

> talking TISSUE levels of oxygen, not orally ingested or

> i.v. Tissue

> levels are tough to alter and take time, unless it is

> something like a

> fissure from gastric cancer, which will heal in a matter

> of days with

> ozone/oxygen gas applied rectally and topically...that is

> a direct hit

> situation.

>

> In basic chemistry, oxygen is required to burn fuel to

> produce energy,

> just like in a fireplace. Stored fat is converted into

> sugar with the

> demand of extra oxygen to provide more fuel. Sugar

> (glucose) is deadly

> for cancer patients like it is for candida patients...it

> feeds the

> fermentive cycle and potential growth factors. I think

> that is the

> primary concern of several physicians treating with

> oxidative therapies

> who see masses enlarge. It is not a cookbook type of

> approach...that is

> why it is critical that EACH PATIENT be evaluated

> individually and on an

> on-going basis. That is why we have to ensure that the

> patient is not

> in a growth-phase...which is not easy because most

> patients don't seek

> treatment until they're back into a growth phase.

> That is also why we suggest that patients do not treat

> themselves at

> home without a knowledgeable physician trained in

> bio-oxydative therapy

> & CANCER disease processes. Naturopaths, Chiropractors,

> Massage

> Therapists, etc. are not specialists in Cancer disease

> processes...I

> would not put myself into an unqualified person's hands if

> I had

> cancer. Home care can be done, but it has to be monitored

> by a

> knowledgeable practitioner. There will always be cases of

> in-home cures

> without practitioners...but in general, I cannot feel

> ethically

> comfortable recommending one treat themselves without any

> guidance from

> persons knowledgeable in the possible side effects and

> what to expect as

> things go along. Patients are always doing multiple

> modalities

> alongside the ozone/oxygen therapy and one has to be

> " up-to-snuff " on

> the various biohemical interactions.

>

> There are many reasons why someone drinking H202 (which I

> discourage by

> the way) could see benefits...however, we never say

> ANYTHING will get

> rid of cancer...the reason is you can do a perfect

> biological program

> done 110% with all the committtment and vigor and caring

> possible...and

> the patient won't respond if they haven't done their

> emotional/spiritual

> detox work and resolve unresolved resentments and anger

> and developed a

> relationship with God to help them with their sense of

> purpose and

> mission in life. Self-absorption is deadly.

>

> Hyperbaric oxygen in cancer is contraindicated from my

> understanding

> with tumor masses in a growth phase because the body's

> respnse to

> pressurized oxygen is to GROW NEW BLOOD VESSELS...that is

> why it works

> so well in stroke patients and for soft tissue injuries.

> It is called

> " angiogenisis " ...you may remember that Shark Cartilage is

> touted to be

> " anti-angiogenic " ...which means it inhibits or stops the

> formation of

> new blood vessels...systemically, not just at the tumor

> site. Patients

> on it won't heal well from tissue injuries because of that

> factor as

> well...be careful with such things. New blood vessels

> feed tumors.

> That is why the wasting phase starts in with certain

> cancer patients

> because the tumors are growing new vessels to feed it.

> That is also why

> certain cancer masses tend to bleed and hemorrhage more.

> Its not

> uncommon for cancer patients coming to our clinic with

> masses to have

> spontaneously started bleeding on the airplane due to the

> atmospheric

> pressure changes.

>

> Remember, there is no such thing as a magic bullett,

> natural or

> othewise. Oxydative therapy plays an critically important

> part in

> theapy but is not necessarily the end all for Cancer or

> other

> therapies. I believe the on-going biochemical changes

> that happen as a

> result of psycho-emotional & spiritual issues are what

> contribute to

> illness much more than just biological therapy. Lack of

> oxygen is a key

> factor for detoxification and metabolic functioning to

> burn up the toxic

> byproducts, and emotional pain and anger tend to make us

> not breath,

> when reduces energy and sometimes puts us into depression

> which

> exacerbates the cycle...

>

> Well, patients are here...gotta go.

>

> Blessings today,

>

> Dr. Bormann

>

> P.S. I've started a new discussion list for Ultraviolet

> Blood

> Irridiation therapy if anyone is interested. Go to

> " UVBIonelist "

> to subcribe.

>

> ***************

> patriot@... wrote:

> >

> > After reading and re-reading all the posts regarding the

> use of

> > hyperbaric oxygen for cancer, it appears that several

> people agree that

> > hyperbaric oxygen could be contraindicative and cause an

> existing cancer

> > to grow.

> >

> > If that's the case, then why do we see so much in print

> about taking

> > h202 orally, h202 baths, ozonated water, ozone saunas,

> etc. for the

> > treatment of cancer? If you click onto some of the

> instructive sites

> > regarding cancer and oxygen, it is explained that cancer

> can't survive

> > in an oxygen-rich environment. Yet how much richer can

> you get than

> > hyperbaric oxygen?

> >

> > If cancer is caused to grow when oxygen is forced into

> the body under

> > pressure, why won't the same thing happen if it is

> introduced into the

> > body in oral and transdermal forms, as well as rectal

> insufflations?

> >

> > Is it just that contraindication (new blood vessels)

> occur only by

> > pressurized oxygen? Or is it the case that all oxygen

> therapies can be

> > detrimental to a person with cancer?

> >

> > Is it true that cancer cells coming in contact with

> oxygen will be

> > destroyed?

> >

> > There were some very good posts to cancer and oxygen

> when it was

> > discussed a short while ago, but I'm still left

> wondering about the

> > above questions, and I think a lot of other people would

> like to know

> > the answers too.

> >

> > Right now I don't know whether a person should try any

> kind of

> > oxytherapy for cancer.

> >

> > Anybody able to inform us on this?

> >

> > R

>

> --

> jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

> http://www.entrance.to/poetry ICQ:16531148

>

> amicus certus in re incerta

>

>

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>

> Message: 3

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:06:15 -0500

> From: Jim Lambert <jim@...>

> Subject: Re: how to get Saul's book

>

> Famanson@... wrote:

>

> > I would like to purchase a copy of Saul's book. How do I do it?

> >

>

> Go to Saul's website http://www.plasmafire.com & click on products. It is

listed there. I just got mine, and I believe anyone interested in how to be, get

or stay healthy should have a copy. It is, simply, amazing.

>

> jim

> --

> jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry ICQ:16531148

>

> amicus certus in re incerta

>

>

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>

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>

> Message: 4

> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:36:07 EST

> From: Famanson@...

> Subject: Re: to those wanting Information

>

> My mailing address:

> A. Manson,

> HC 73, Box 1846,

> 211 Harpers Ferry Drive,

> Locust Grove, Va. 22508

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> " The Owner's Manual for the Human Body " . How to look after the most

> precious thing you own. Complimentary copy sent to you if you provide

> your mailing address. Presently out of stock (again!), but new batch

> coming up next week.

Dear Saul,

Please, put me on the list. TIA.

Wayne ts

706 East Gulf Blvd.

Indian Rocks Beach FL 33785-3706

[Guest guest]

Hello Cat here: Lori this is in regards to your needing foot surgery I

have not had that done but I did go through two neck surgeries and I

would honestly get 2 more opinions if I were you. Everyone is different

but I can tell you

that these had somewhat of an adverse effect on me . The pain I have

became more chronic andthe numbness and tingling got worse. Again

everyone is different but I.m a firm believer in 2nd and 3rd. opinions

keep me posted and good luck.

Cat

CSCluv**

[Guest guest]

ken,

great Fast testimonial. The interesting soiland URL didn't show up

though... .

[Guest guest]

A recent post mentioned Rhonda's notes from a Carbone seminar on

archives. Can someone please tell me how to retrieve them? I don't see

archives as a choice, or see it posted on Files either. I would like to do a

search but I need the filename.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

DH--that is tooooo sweet. !

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[Guest guest]

Hey ita! Glad you " got on board " here. I'm trying to catch up every

few days now instead of letting these wonderful posts from these lovely

God-Sent parents pile up for months on end. I'll be hollerin' at you!

F.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for helping me get " on board " ! Love reading all the post from

everyone. But I've asked some questions that I haven't gotten a response to.

I guess there are so many, people just lose track of all the questions. I'll

try again later, maybe.I'll be talking too you . Bye for now. ita

[Guest guest]

,

Everybody must ultimately make their own decisions on what to take, but it

is MOST important to get ALL the information available when making that

decision. If you don't know what is really the cause of a medical condition

it makes the treatment much more complicated and usually impossible to

completely resolve. And Yes some serious diseases CAN be almost completely

resolved and good health restored if you ELIMINATE the cause of the disease.

Many of the people on this list have been more often harmed by over

medication than under medication but of course there are some conventional

treatments-especially in the area of emergency medicine that are life

saving,but the patient-consumer must be critical and aware.

Arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

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In a message dated 9/1/00 2:05:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pj20844@...

writes:

<< Does anyone have any experience with the ozonator? >>

What type of unit do you have? According to Beck, he would drink it all day

long. Ozonated water gets ozone into your GI tract, which is good for you in

the proper quantity. This website has tons of information on ozonators -

click on Vapozone (interesting). http://healingtools.tripod.com/linksi.html

Ozonated olive oil can be used topically on virtually any skin condition, or

for an underlying problem in a specific location. Also can be used as a

suppository, or swallow some. But, according to a man who makes ozonated

olive oil commercially, it takes a medical ozonator (with much higher output

than a UV bulb) 2 weeks to make olive oil stiffen. Also, you have to use

oxygen from a tank or O2 concentrator as the supply gas. If you use air, as

in using an aquarium pump without an O2 tank, then you also get trace

quantities of nitrogen compounds also altered by the ozone. One of them

becomes nitric acid when it contacts the moisture of your mucous membranes.

Saul Pressman sells Ozonated Olive Oil http://www.plasmafire.com

The website is under construction now.

[Guest guest]

Listers, Does anyone have any experience with the ozonator? How much

should a person with cancer drink per day? How long should the water be

treated? Does longer treatment time result in more oxygen being

delivered to the body? Re ozonated olive oil--about how long per ounce

should the oil be treated? Any info, experiences, or thoughts on

treatment of cancer appreciated. pj

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Is ozone safe?

<< What type of unit do you have? According to Beck, he would drink it all

day

long. Ozonated water gets ozone into your GI tract, which is good for you

in

the proper quantity. This website has tons of information on ozonators -

click on Vapozone (interesting).

http://healingtools.tripod.com/linksi.html >>