some questions

[Guest guest]

Dear Mike,

1) Yes. They can rub the oil on their bellies.

2) made in a regular temperature room and then moved to the

fridge as soon as it turns into a paste

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Some questions

> Dear Saul and group,

>

> 1) Can pregnant women use ozonated olive oil or drink ozonated water?

>

> 2) When you make ozonated olive oil does it have to be in a refrigerated

or

> cool area or is it made in a regular temperature room and then moved to

the

> fridge as soon as it turns into a paste?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

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Another email not opened just deleted - any ideas how they are getting onto Senate?

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Some questions

[Guest guest]

When I ramped my son up on lexapro there was a window of time where

he was ticcy - facial squishing - should twisting - and he was snappy

at times - I was a little weirded out by it - never saw him do those

things before -

But now that you mention your son - I realize it lasted for a few

weeks and it's been gone since then.

He's been really-really 'normal' for weeks and weeks now - I can't

remember the last time I saw him tic.

> Hi, all!

> My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you

can

> comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to

200

> mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some

physical " tic "

> type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he

even

> began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not

talking

> to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his

risperdal

> has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated,

lots

> of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him

weird.

> He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even

last

> quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased?

This

> is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is

doing

> his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

> number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I

will be

> calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think

about

> this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is

really

> strange.

> Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

no, he does not.

sharon Mchugh wrote:

> Kim, Does he have a TS DX in addition to OCD?

> Some questions

>

>

> Hi, all!

> My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you can

> comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to 200

> mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some physical " tic "

> type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he even

> began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not talking

> to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his risperdal

> has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated, lots

> of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him weird.

> He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even last

> quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased?

> This

> is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is

> doing

> his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

> number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I

> will be

> calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think about

> this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is really

> strange.

> Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

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Kim, Does he have a TS DX in addition to OCD?

Some questions

Hi, all!

My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you can

comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to 200

mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some physical " tic "

type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he even

began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not talking

to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his risperdal

has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated, lots

of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him weird.

He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even last

quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased? This

is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is doing

his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I will be

calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think about

this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is really

strange.

Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

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My son has Ts and Ocd...the TS symptoms were very subtle ( lip licking, and

later vocal tics that he " incooperated " into play... seemed purposeful so it

was hard to peg. ) You may want to ask Pdoc. about TS being that TS/ OCD are so

comorbid. He may have had some subtle tics that are waxing now? I would ask your

Pdoc about- but caution that you need one that really understands TS. You might

want to look up Packers TS plus website, look for a list of tics... maybe

he had some subtle ones that were'nt noticed or recognised as tics?

Some questions

>

>

> Hi, all!

> My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you can

> comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to 200

> mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some physical " tic "

> type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he even

> began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not talking

> to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his risperdal

> has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated, lots

> of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him weird.

> He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even last

> quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased?

> This

> is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is

> doing

> his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

> number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I

> will be

> calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think about

> this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is really

> strange.

> Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

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-

How old is your child ?

I have been trying to decide about lexapro. because my child age 7

is taking Prozac which is causing a big weight gain.

Thanks

Jr.

-- In , " klwicklund77 "

<k777thorpe@a...> wrote:

> When I ramped my son up on lexapro there was a window of time

where

> he was ticcy - facial squishing - should twisting - and he was

snappy

> at times - I was a little weirded out by it - never saw him do

those

> things before -

>

> But now that you mention your son - I realize it lasted for a few

> weeks and it's been gone since then.

>

> He's been really-really 'normal' for weeks and weeks now - I can't

> remember the last time I saw him tic.

>

>

>

> > Hi, all!

> > My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of

you

> can

> > comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft

to

> 200

> > mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some

> physical " tic "

> > type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he

> even

> > began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not

> talking

> > to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his

> risperdal

> > has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very

agitated,

> lots

> > of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him

> weird.

> > He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even

> last

> > quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are

increased?

> This

> > is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he

is

> doing

> > his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will

say " a

> > number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I

> will be

> > calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think

> about

> > this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is

> really

> > strange.

> > Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

He is 15, diagnosed a year ago this month.

jrsuellen1952 wrote:

> -

>

>

> How old is your child ?

> I have been trying to decide about lexapro. because my child age 7

> is taking Prozac which is causing a big weight gain.

> Thanks

> Jr.

>

>

>

> -- In , " klwicklund77 "

> <k777thorpe@a...> wrote:

> > When I ramped my son up on lexapro there was a window of time

> where

> > he was ticcy - facial squishing - should twisting - and he was

> snappy

> > at times - I was a little weirded out by it - never saw him do

> those

> > things before -

> >

> > But now that you mention your son - I realize it lasted for a few

> > weeks and it's been gone since then.

> >

> > He's been really-really 'normal' for weeks and weeks now - I can't

> > remember the last time I saw him tic.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi, all!

> > > My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of

> you

> > can

> > > comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft

> to

> > 200

> > > mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some

> > physical " tic "

> > > type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he

> > even

> > > began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not

> > talking

> > > to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his

> > risperdal

> > > has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very

> agitated,

> > lots

> > > of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him

> > weird.

> > > He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even

> > last

> > > quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are

> increased?

> > This

> > > is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he

> is

> > doing

> > > his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will

> say " a

> > > number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I

> > will be

> > > calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think

> > about

> > > this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is

> > really

> > > strange.

> > > Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

>

>

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Cody is 14 now, started lexapro at 13 - there don't seem to be any

side effects at all now that he's reached treatment dose for about 10-

12 weeks- altogether a good experience.

-- In , " jrsuellen1952 "

<jrsuellen1952@y...> wrote:

> -

>

>

> How old is your child ?

> I have been trying to decide about lexapro. because my child age 7

> is taking Prozac which is causing a big weight gain.

> Thanks

> Jr.

>

>

>

> -- In , " klwicklund77 "

> <k777thorpe@a...> wrote:

> > When I ramped my son up on lexapro there was a window of time

> where

> > he was ticcy - facial squishing - should twisting - and he was

> snappy

> > at times - I was a little weirded out by it - never saw him do

> those

> > things before -

> >

> > But now that you mention your son - I realize it lasted for a few

> > weeks and it's been gone since then.

> >

> > He's been really-really 'normal' for weeks and weeks now - I

can't

> > remember the last time I saw him tic.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi, all!

> > > My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of

> you

> > can

> > > comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft

> to

> > 200

> > > mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some

> > physical " tic "

> > > type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and

he

> > even

> > > began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not

> > talking

> > > to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his

> > risperdal

> > > has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very

> agitated,

> > lots

> > > of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him

> > weird.

> > > He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even

> > last

> > > quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are

> increased?

> > This

> > > is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he

> is

> > doing

> > > his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will

> say " a

> > > number " again and again instead of saying what the number is.

I

> > will be

> > > calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think

> > about

> > > this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is

> > really

> > > strange.

> > > Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim, according to Kel's pdoc an SSRI can " unmask " or basically kick off

ticcing in a susceptible child. Also, yes ticcing can get worse at a higher

dose of SSRI. Or, the lower dose of Risperdal may be allowing more tics (as

well as irritability and anger) through. My child was prescribed Risperdal

specifically to reduce tics and blurty, urge behaviors, which it did.

It's interesting that your doctor lowered the Risperdal dose due to weight

gain, but did not switch your son off it. I was told that weight gain side

effect was independent of dose, but maybe my info is old.

The " a number " response could be a compulsion or verbal tic. The " again and

again " part is what made me think of this.

Generally, SSRIs can worsen tics/TS and ADD/ADHD. Stimulants for ADD/ADHD

can worsen tics/TS and OCD. Medication for TS can worsen OCD and ADD/ADHD

symptoms. No wonder it takes an expert to balance meds in children who have

more than one of these disorders!

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: " & Kim Cotter " <Cotter@...

> Hi, all!

> My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you can

> comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to 200

> mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some physical " tic "

> type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he even

> began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not talking

> to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his risperdal

> has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated, lots

> of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him weird.

> He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even last

> quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased? This

> is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is doing

> his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

> number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I will be

> calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think about

> this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is really

> strange.

> Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim, according to Kel's pdoc an SSRI can " unmask " or basically kick off

ticcing in a susceptible child. Also, yes ticcing can get worse at a higher

dose of SSRI. Or, the lower dose of Risperdal may be allowing more tics (as

well as irritability and anger) through. My child was prescribed Risperdal

specifically to reduce tics and blurty, urge behaviors, which it did.

It's interesting that your doctor lowered the Risperdal dose due to weight

gain, but did not switch your son off it. I was told that weight gain side

effect was independent of dose, but maybe my info is old.

The " a number " response could be a compulsion or verbal tic. The " again and

again " part is what made me think of this.

Generally, SSRIs can worsen tics/TS and ADD/ADHD. Stimulants for ADD/ADHD

can worsen tics/TS and OCD. Medication for TS can worsen OCD and ADD/ADHD

symptoms. No wonder it takes an expert to balance meds in children who have

more than one of these disorders!

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: " & Kim Cotter " <Cotter@...

> Hi, all!

> My son has some things going on that I am wondering if any of you can

> comment on. About 8 weeks ago, his doctor increased his zoloft to 200

> mg. We noticed him starting to do some verbal and some physical " tic "

> type things shortly after that. But, his OCD was better, and he even

> began speaking to his " contaminated " sister after a year of not talking

> to her or looking at her. Now, because of weight gain, his risperdal

> has been lowered from 3.5 mg to 3 mg. He is acting very agitated, lots

> of tics, kids at school are starting to avoid him and call him weird.

> He is failing 3 classes currently, where he was doing okay even last

> quarter. Do these tic things happen more as SSRI's are increased? This

> is really new. He also seems impatient/annoyed with me when he is doing

> his homework, like when I ask him what the answer is he will say " a

> number " again and again instead of saying what the number is. I will be

> calling the psych doctor today, but wondered what you all think about

> this. He was doing so well a couple of weeks ago, but this is really

> strange.

> Kim in IA ( 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kathy,

His doctor put him down to 175 mg of zoloft (from 200) and back up to

3.5 of Risperdal on Friday. He is still having problems focusing.

Found out that a group of boys at school is picking on him, telling him

they are " doing it " with his mother, etc. (they're NOT!!!) and trying

to tweak his nipples. He was very upset and crying tonight about how

disgusting it was, and how he wishes they would just stop. So we will

be in contact with some teachers again. Kids can be mean, but when a

kid has a disorder like this one they have no clue what harm they are

doing -- or maybe they do and do it anyhow. (I am in NO WAY defending

or condoning school violence, but one could get a glimpse at the kinds

of things that could drive a kid over the edge.)

I am hoping that the coming of summer vacation and the fact that many of

those boys are graduating and leaving the school before fall, will give

Dave a break in his stress level. Passing algebra would help, too.

Thanks to all who commented about the " tic-y things. "

Kim in IA (, 15 OCD)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Like you, I'm not defending violence, but see how someone could go

over the edge after being harassed/bullied/picked on for too long.

Just when do these mean boys do their teasing - are they in the

classroom or between classes, lunch, bus...? has been made

fun of in the past and besides having the teachers keep their

eyes " open " for a change, I really wasn't sure what I expected the

school to do. Did make the principal aware of it also. You think

if they call the culprits to the office that it might help, but

worry about repercussions from that! I'm glad school is just

a " relatively " short span of a life time and will pass!

Let us know how the school responds to this!

> Thanks, Kathy,

> His doctor put him down to 175 mg of zoloft (from 200) and back up

to

> 3.5 of Risperdal on Friday. He is still having problems

focusing.

> Found out that a group of boys at school is picking on him,

telling him

[Guest guest]

We went to talk to 's high school guidance counselor this

afternoon. The counselor was outraged that this stuff is going on,

especially the physical things, so went to get the principal. He, too,

was very upset. Most of the harassment is during metal shop; the

classroom is big, with different " stations " where the various pieces of

equipment are set up. It's loud, and the teacher goes from place to

place so is not aware of everything that is going on in the various

parts of the shop. The boys also bump into him in the hall and whisper

obscenties to him as they bump. They are going to begin a full

investigation tomorrow morning, and are taking it seriously. Even

mentioned JD lockup for the boys that have touched him. Of course,

is concerned about revenge (us, too) but the principal feels that

it must be dealt with harshly. They have a " zero tolerance " for

harassment. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

Kim in IA

wrote:

> Hi Kim,

> Like you, I'm not defending violence, but see how someone could go

> over the edge after being harassed/bullied/picked on for too long.

>

> Just when do these mean boys do their teasing - are they in the

> classroom or between classes, lunch, bus...? has been made

> fun of in the past and besides having the teachers keep their

> eyes " open " for a change, I really wasn't sure what I expected the

> school to do. Did make the principal aware of it also. You think

> if they call the culprits to the office that it might help, but

> worry about repercussions from that! I'm glad school is just

> a " relatively " short span of a life time and will pass!

>

> Let us know how the school responds to this!

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks, Kathy,

> > His doctor put him down to 175 mg of zoloft (from 200) and back up

> to

> > 3.5 of Risperdal on Friday. He is still having problems

> focusing.

> > Found out that a group of boys at school is picking on him,

> telling him

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That's great news, I'm so glad they are really taking this

seriously!

I wonder will they bring the parents in on this?? Y

ou never know with parents, many will automatically take up for their

kids or give the " kids will be kids " line, but mine have always known

I'd come down on them HARD, no tolerance for mean type bullying,

etc. So hopefully if they bring parents in, they (parents) would

quickly put an end to it, or try to. That said, back when my older

son was being threatened years ago by a classmate whose family we

knew (they had been friends), I didn't bother mentioning a thing to

the parents as I knew they always took up for his behaviors and I was

concerned bringing them in would make the boy angrier at my son. So

I just told the teachers about it, who handled it great. Ugh! Never

know the best choice in these situations.

In our case, the teachers did watch during class, somehow kept them

separated as best they could, which in middle school would be much

easier than high school; different timed bathroom breaks, let my son

leave certain classes early to do an " errand " for the teacher on way

to next class.... He didn't even realize what the teachers were

doing as I didn't tell him I'd " told " on the boy. Anyway, boy

finally got over the anger towards my son (all due to a soccer game!).

I would hope they would alert the metal shop teacher so he could make

his way to their area more often during class or be in position to

observe more. And principal, counselors, teachers, whatever should

observe class changes, etc.

And hopefully principal will deal with them harshly enough that they

won't be interested in bothering at all any more!

They should make a presentation at the beginning of next year to all

the classes on the " zero tolerance " policy, or make a longer one on

it than in the past.

OK, off my soap box! But I could go on and on and on with this

subject!

> We went to talk to 's high school guidance counselor this

> afternoon. The counselor was outraged that this stuff is going on,

> especially the physical things, so went to get the principal. He,

too,

> was very upset. Most of the harassment is during metal shop; the

> classroom is big, with different " stations " where the various

pieces of

> equipment are set up. It's loud, and the teacher goes from place

to

> place so is not aware of everything that is going on in the various

> parts of the shop. The boys also bump into him in the hall and

whisper

> obscenties to him as they bump. They are going to begin a full

> investigation tomorrow morning, and are taking it seriously. Even

> mentioned JD lockup for the boys that have touched him. Of course,

> is concerned about revenge (us, too) but the principal feels

that

> it must be dealt with harshly. They have a " zero tolerance " for

> harassment. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

> Kim in IA

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad to hear the high school is treating this seriously. So often by that

age they think kids can shrug it off.

I've written books on bullying and given workshops for the past 10 years and

have grown slowly disillusioned with this battle. I began thinking we could

really make a difference. I suppose things have changed somewhat, but I really

don't put much faith anymore in these 'zero-tolerance' programs or assemblies

that are suposed to teach the anti-bully message. It really doesn't move the

kind of kids who do this sort of thing. Interestingly, I've found it's often the

students whom teachers view as 'good' and socially astute, who can get away

with bullying because they're street-smart, arrogant, don't tolerate square pegs

and know when the adults are looking. Bullies aren't whom we think - from bad

homes with low self-esteem. And I have first-hand experience in what can happen

when we approach the parents: I thought I knew the bully's mom, felt she was 'on

the same page' with respect to childrearing, and discovered I was very wrong (as

was later confirmed via the parental grapevine.) It backfired big-time. Five

years later this boy still tells everyone my ds 'cried to mommy'. I firmly

believe it's best left to the 'unbiased' school staff to deal with - and must be

dealt with in a myriad of ways.

Anyway, with respect to your situation, I'd strongly urge you to get the school

to stay on top of this. Don't let them think they can 'deal with it' and forget

it. That's when revenge problems happen. Let your son know that he needs to

continue to keep them informed. Each time the bullying happens, he should inform

them. Each time it happens, there should be consequences. The most successful

cases happen when the principal continues to ask the victim how he's doing,

weeks and weeks later - and let the bullies know it's not forgotten. Maybe you

could have the school write down what they're going to do - and a timeline with

dates for checking back?

Let us know how it goes, ok?

kimz

Re: Re: Some questions

We went to talk to 's high school guidance counselor this

afternoon. The counselor was outraged that this stuff is going on,

especially the physical things, so went to get the principal. He, too,

was very upset. Most of the harassment is during metal shop; the

classroom is big, with different " stations " where the various pieces of

equipment are set up. It's loud, and the teacher goes from place to

place so is not aware of everything that is going on in the various

parts of the shop. The boys also bump into him in the hall and whisper

obscenties to him as they bump. They are going to begin a full

investigation tomorrow morning, and are taking it seriously. Even

mentioned JD lockup for the boys that have touched him. Of course,

is concerned about revenge (us, too) but the principal feels that

it must be dealt with harshly. They have a " zero tolerance " for

harassment. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

Kim in IA

wrote:

> Hi Kim,

> Like you, I'm not defending violence, but see how someone could go

> over the edge after being harassed/bullied/picked on for too long.

>

> Just when do these mean boys do their teasing - are they in the

> classroom or between classes, lunch, bus...? has been made

> fun of in the past and besides having the teachers keep their

> eyes " open " for a change, I really wasn't sure what I expected the

> school to do. Did make the principal aware of it also. You think

> if they call the culprits to the office that it might help, but

> worry about repercussions from that! I'm glad school is just

> a " relatively " short span of a life time and will pass!

>

> Let us know how the school responds to this!

>

>

>

>

> > Thanks, Kathy,

> > His doctor put him down to 175 mg of zoloft (from 200) and back up

> to

> > 3.5 of Risperdal on Friday. He is still having problems

> focusing.

> > Found out that a group of boys at school is picking on him,

> telling him

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I don't have the EFL book so I'm not sure if my favourites are in

there. I have a tendency to eat virtually the same thing or a

variation of it most days.

Favourite breakfasts (M1 + M2): oatmeal or oatbran or Fibre1 +

cottage cheese. Yogurt + protein powder (+ banana if post workout).

Favourite lunch: Big salad (mixed greens, spinach or romaine +

tomatoes/gr pepper/cucumber) with balsamic vinegar. on top of

salad, Can tuna w/ some hummous mixed in or can salmon or chicken

breast. Also rinsed beans (canned) such as garbanzo, kidney, black

beans.

Afternoon snack: Depends on what I have on hand. String cheese or

hardboiled egg or cottage cheese or chicken or protein powder. Carb

is usually apple or orange or plum or peach plus some carrots.

Dinners: Big salad and steamed vegetables (cauliflower or brocolli

or asparagus). Brown rice or corn or peas or whole wheat pasta or

fresh fruit. Eggs or chicken or fish or lean pork. (Husband makes

most dinners, I fill up on veggies, make sure I get a protein

serving and minimize my starchy carbs. Sometimes I eat my own

starchy carb if he has made white rice for instance).

Last meal of the day: Cottage cheese with a bit of fruit flavoured

sugar free fat free yogurt + 2-3 Tbs ground flax and a sugar free

hot cocoa (my dessert!)

Just think about what you like to eat and you can make this work. I

love these foods and don't feel deprived at all.

>>>>Would you mind sharing your 3 favourite

> breakfasts, lunches, dinners and snacks with recipes if they're

not in

> the EFL book?

>

[Guest guest]

All mine come from the EFL book for now.. :-)

Breakfasts: Chocolate Oatmeal, Vanilla Nut Cereal, Fortified French Toast

Lunches: Turkey Sandwich, Chicken Quesadillas, Chicken Pita Pizza

Dinners: Rotiserrie Chicken, Taco-Pasta Salad, Albacore Tuna Salad

Snacks: Blueberry Blend (yogurt/cottage cheese mixture), Swiss Turkey Krisp,

Eggs and Oranges

It is very hard to limit to just three though... they are all dynomite recipes!

Also, my favorite shake, without a doubt is the Cookies and Cream shake. :-) I

can't find plain chocolate wafers, so instead of 3 wafers, I put 2 sugar free

oreos instead, and YUM-O! :-)

Good luck... and don't get discouraged - you are making a life-long change -

this isn't a " diet " ... :-) It's good food for life ;-)

veronika_stobbia wrote: I'm getting ready to

start with BFL, but was wondering if you guys had

any favourite clean foods. Would you mind sharing your 3 favourite

breakfasts, lunches, dinners and snacks with recipes if they're not in

the EFL book?

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[Guest guest]

Meal 1 for me is usually oats, egg beaters, protein, baking powder, vanilla,

cinnamon, and splenda all blended and cooked like a pancake.

Meal 2 is usually cottage cheese w/ an apple

Meal 3 is usually a big salad w/ chicken or turkey or a soy burger and a whole

wheat wrap. Sometimes I have a turkey wrap from Subway w/ double meat and no

cheese

Meal 4 is usually a Myoplex Lite shake

Meal 5 is chicken or turkey or egg beaters and either a wrap or a small sweet

potato and another big salad

Meal 6 is usually a protein shake w/ frozen berries and a TBSP of natural

peanut butter...I found peanut butter at the health food store w/ 100 calories,

2 g. of fat, low sodium and low sugar!!! That's for 2 TBSP!!! I couldn't believe

it! And it tastes pretty good too! My other favorite PB is called Naturally

more. It has flax seed and omega 3 fatty acids in it. Very good.

The EFL meatloaf is awesome and so is the chocolate oatmeal. I also like the

brownies. Good for a sweet tooth.

Dearing wrote:

All mine come from the EFL book for now.. :-)

Breakfasts: Chocolate Oatmeal, Vanilla Nut Cereal, Fortified French Toast

Lunches: Turkey Sandwich, Chicken Quesadillas, Chicken Pita Pizza

Dinners: Rotiserrie Chicken, Taco-Pasta Salad, Albacore Tuna Salad

Snacks: Blueberry Blend (yogurt/cottage cheese mixture), Swiss Turkey Krisp,

Eggs and Oranges

It is very hard to limit to just three though... they are all dynomite recipes!

Also, my favorite shake, without a doubt is the Cookies and Cream shake. :-) I

can't find plain chocolate wafers, so instead of 3 wafers, I put 2 sugar free

oreos instead, and YUM-O! :-)

Good luck... and don't get discouraged - you are making a life-long change -

this isn't a " diet " ... :-) It's good food for life ;-)

veronika_stobbia wrote: I'm getting ready to

start with BFL, but was wondering if you guys had

any favourite clean foods. Would you mind sharing your 3 favourite

breakfasts, lunches, dinners and snacks with recipes if they're not in

the EFL book?

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I have so many favorites!! I love the Fortified French Toast, just

tried that this week (I try to make up enough to have the same thing

for my 2nd meal at work every day-- I cook on Sunday). My first meal

is usually high protein cereal w/ lite vanilla soy milk, second meal

at work is whatever I make on the weekend-- the ham/cheese casserole

is really good too. 3rd meal: I have had and really liked: Cool

Taco Salad, Chicken salad w/ grapes, Oriental Chicken Salad, Turkey

Sandwich, Albacore Tuna Casserole. Meal 4 is cottage cheese and

berries (I always used to do strawberries, but tried raspberries

yesterday and OMG, wonderful!) with Splenda, string cheese and a fruit

or boiled eggs and a fruit. Meal 5 I've had and liked: Sesame Beef

Stir fry, Enchiladas (I make mine into a casserole so I don't have to

roll them and I make double and freeze one for later), chicken, sweet

potato and a veggie, Homestyle Turkey Meatloaf.

Really, I've tried a TON of the recipes and I haven't found one yet

that I don't like. The Strawberry Cheesecake rocks, so does the

Pumpkin Cheesecake-- I made the Banana Cream Pie that someone on here

posted last week and it is SO good! I make a dessert that has 4 or

more servings (on Sunday) that I can eat all week-- it makes packing

my food for the day and grabbing my last meal SO easy.

Good luck with it-- BFL is the best thing I've ever done for myself!

PS, long winded on this one, sorry!

>

> I'm getting ready to start with BFL, but was wondering if you guys

had

> any favourite clean foods. Would you mind sharing your 3 favourite

> breakfasts, lunches, dinners and snacks with recipes if they're not

in

> the EFL book?

>

[Guest guest]

- egg/oat pudding from 1 cup egg whites, 1/3 cup oats, 1/3 cup water (nuke

for about 3 minutes, stirring after each minute)

- eggs, polenta, salsa

- cod or flounder, poached with water with soy sauce and slices of fresh

ginger, with scallions on top; serve with brown rice and broc

- protein with fresh homemade salsa (tomato or fruit based; search past

messages for salsa and you'll find the recipe) and a carb

- winter squash with protein

- protein on salad, with fresh salsa instead of salad dressing

- cottage cheese with fresh fruit

- smoothie made from pasteurized unflavored, uncolored egg whites + fruit

(fresh or frozen)

- fish fish fish

- roasted vegetables (warm or room temperature)

- steam/saute vegetables (warm or room temperature)

HTH

n

At 11:38 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:

>I'm getting ready to start with BFL, but was wondering if you guys had

>any favourite clean foods. Would you mind sharing your 3 favourite

>breakfasts, lunches, dinners and snacks with recipes if they're not in

>the EFL book?

[Guest guest]

" does have an immune problem...vomiting...virus 9 out of the 10

hospitalizations...Pseudomonas...septic and nearly died...she has aplastic

anemia. I was wondering if anyone else has been told the same thing?...Does

IVIG help to make the anemia better? "

Candise,

Sound like is having a really rough time. I have met parents whose

children had red and white cell involvement. All of them needed to be treated

rather cautiously/aggressively. IVIG generally does make a PIDer better and

helps with some platelet issues -- but I don't know about how it impacts RBCs.

I would think that 's situation needs to be understood, treated, and

monitored carefully. Forgive me if you already answered this...but are you

comfortable with your current doctor(s)? I am not familiar with any

immunologists in your area. I know one mother in Virginia that travels our of

state for PID care.

There are a couple facilites a few hours from you -- probably some of the best

in the nation. Sorry that I can not provide more reassurance. I would

encourage you to make a few calls, if you are questioning your child's medical

situation. I think Children's Hospital of Philadelphia is just a few hours

away...

Orange, Jordon M.D, PhD

Assistant Professor of Pediatrics

Division of Immunology

University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine Children's Hospital of

Philadelphia

3615 Civic Center Blvd, ARC-1216F

Philadelphia, PA 19140

United States

Phone: (267) 426-5622

Fax: (267) 426-5727

Website: http://www.chop.edu

Filipovich, M.D.

Professor of Pediatrics

Children¢s Hospital Medical Center

3333 Burnet Avenue

Cincinnati, OH 45229

United States

Phone: (513) 636-7206

Fax: (513) 636-3549

Website: http://www.chmcc.org

mom ot CVIDer

[Guest guest]

,

I think sees every specialist here because of

her having the FOD. She act risk for so many things

for that. We LOVE her genetics doctor. We truely

believe is alive b/c of her. She is the one

that caught the Pseudomonas...she later said had I not

called her and put her to bed she would not have woke

up. She has a general pediatrican, a pulmunary doctor

who we have seen once(because she has an ongoing runny

nose and a cough), an immunologist(who has decided

that she is a good candidate for IVIG and she needed

to do my allergy testing when pressed by our genetics

doctor),she sees cardiology,also opthomology, a

gastro doctor(who see has seen several times) and now

a dermatologist. So yeah she is been seen by alot of

people. They have a children's hospital here and that

is where she goes. To tell if I feel comfortable with

the doctor that will be handling the immune problem I

don't know yet...we have only seen her once. That was

to repeat the test for her immune levels and see how

well her immunizations were working. Those all showed

she had good response to them. I am at a loss why

those would be normal but she has been so sick. Is

that common?

I am part of the FOD support email group and it has

helped alot with having knowledge so I feel that I am

getting somewhere with the doctors...I am hoping to

have the same experience so sorry if I ask alot of

questions. I just want to be able to have the best

treatment for her and be her best advocate. You know

what I mean?

Takes for the info.

Candise Ott

mom to 19 months

19 months

Kadian 3 years

--- Schulman <dietdoc@...> wrote:

> " does have an immune

> problem...vomiting...virus 9 out of the 10

> hospitalizations...Pseudomonas...septic and nearly

> died...she has aplastic anemia. I was wondering if

> anyone else has been told the same thing?...Does

> IVIG help to make the anemia better? "

>

> Candise,

>

> Sound like is having a really rough time. I

> have met parents whose children had red and white

> cell involvement. All of them needed to be treated

> rather cautiously/aggressively. IVIG generally

> does make a PIDer better and helps with some

> platelet issues -- but I don't know about how it

> impacts RBCs. I would think that 's situation

> needs to be understood, treated, and monitored

> carefully. Forgive me if you already answered

> this...but are you comfortable with your current

> doctor(s)? I am not familiar with any immunologists

> in your area. I know one mother in Virginia that

> travels our of state for PID care.

>

> There are a couple facilites a few hours from you --

> probably some of the best in the nation. Sorry that

> I can not provide more reassurance. I would

> encourage you to make a few calls, if you are

> questioning your child's medical situation. I think

> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia is just a few

> hours away...

>

> Orange, Jordon M.D, PhD

> Assistant Professor of Pediatrics

> Division of Immunology

> University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine

> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

> 3615 Civic Center Blvd, ARC-1216F

> Philadelphia, PA 19140

> United States

> Phone: (267) 426-5622

> Fax: (267) 426-5727

> Website: http://www.chop.edu

>

> Filipovich, M.D.

> Professor of Pediatrics

> Children¢s Hospital Medical Center

> 3333 Burnet Avenue

> Cincinnati, OH 45229

> United States

> Phone: (513) 636-7206

> Fax: (513) 636-3549

> Website: http://www.chmcc.org

>

>

> mom ot CVIDer

>

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

" just want to be able to have the best treatment for her and be her best

advocate. You know

what I mean? "

Candise,

I sooooo know what you mean. : )

It seems that you have a solid team and the most important thing is that you

feel that you can entrust child to your team. FOS is so complicated...you must

be a very strong lady! If you need any support in the PID department, we are

here for you. If you are happy with your local immuno then you don't need the

hospitals I sent you. However, it is not unusual for a PIDer to have a 2nd

opinion, if you need more help. I know one FOS mom who has her son on IVIG,

among other things, and he is managing. You may have met her at your

board....she is not so active here these days but might chime in.

Take care,

mom to CVIDer

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about ? She is the one that told

me about this group. There are a couple others with

kids with PID's so I wonder if it something that

happens to some FOD kids but not all.

--- Schulman <dietdoc@...> wrote:

> " just want to be able to have the best treatment for

> her and be her best advocate. You know

> what I mean? "

>

> Candise,

>

> I sooooo know what you mean. : )

>

> It seems that you have a solid team and the most

> important thing is that you feel that you can

> entrust child to your team. FOS is so

> complicated...you must be a very strong lady! If

> you need any support in the PID department, we are

> here for you. If you are happy with your local

> immuno then you don't need the hospitals I sent you.

> However, it is not unusual for a PIDer to have a

> 2nd opinion, if you need more help. I know one FOS

> mom who has her son on IVIG, among other things, and

> he is managing. You may have met her at your

> board....she is not so active here these days but

> might chime in.

>

> Take care,

>

> mom to CVIDer

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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