Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 It is possible to adjust the frequency bandwidth to whatever you want ... at least that's the case with the 2.0 software that I have. So if 8.5-13.5 Hz has previously been helpful, you should be able to continue with that. Although we often think of SMR as being 12-15 Hz, this isn't necessarily so. Kids with autism, for example, seem to have an SMR that is considerably lower in frequency, so 8.5-13.5 Hz could be quite appropriate. All the best. Mark Darling Sunshine Coast, Australia Frequency bands > I am a new owner of a Brain Master and have a long way to go before > using it. My daughter has had SMR training and the frequency bands > were 8.5 to 13.5. My question is would it be possible for this to > have been for Lobeta as the normal width as shown on the Frequency > Band Control Screen is 12 to 15. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 Thanks Mark The reason I asked about 8.5 to 13.5 hz is that this was on the results screen as a setting during a training, and SMR showed in the top corner as a score. What I don't know is which of the waves it applied to, could it be alpha as it fits the numbers better? I haven't seen alpha used in SMR training so thats why I assumed it was lobeta. Thank you for the advice. Kerry > It is possible to adjust the frequency bandwidth to whatever you want ... at > least that's the case with the 2.0 software that I have. So if 8.5- 13.5 Hz > has previously been helpful, you should be able to continue with that. > > Although we often think of SMR as being 12-15 Hz, this isn't necessarily so. > Kids with autism, for example, seem to have an SMR that is considerably > lower in frequency, so 8.5-13.5 Hz could be quite appropriate. > > All the best. > > Mark Darling > Sunshine Coast, Australia > > Frequency bands > > > > I am a new owner of a Brain Master and have a long way to go before > > using it. My daughter has had SMR training and the frequency bands > > were 8.5 to 13.5. My question is would it be possible for this to > > have been for Lobeta as the normal width as shown on the Frequency > > Band Control Screen is 12 to 15. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Kerry, You didn't mention how old your daughter is, but it's important to note that brain speeds change from the time we are born until we reach our middle 20's (and that's in "normal" development), then start changing again in our 50's. Alpha, for example, centers around 10Hz in adults. But its center is only 8Hz in an average 8-year-old. Hence SMR, the speed above alpha, which is 12-15Hz in most adults, may start as low as 9 Hz in an 8 year-old. As to why someone would expand the band, I can't say. That could easily take you into training not only lobeta (SMR in the central strip) but beta as well. Pete Re: Frequency bands Thanks MarkThe reason I asked about 8.5 to 13.5 hz is that this was on the results screen as a setting during a training, and SMR showed in the top corner as a score. What I don't know is which of the waves it applied to, could it be alpha as it fits the numbers better? I haven't seen alpha used in SMR training so thats why I assumed it was lobeta. Thank you for the advice.Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2003 Report Share Posted December 12, 2003 Gene, Sleep spindles in the EEG are apparently a good indicator of SMR frequency. In most adults sleep spindle frequency will match SMR frequency. The spindles occur in short bursts, I think usually during sleep onset (stage 2), and are usually about 12-14 per second in an adult. A couple of years ago Kaiser was gathering some data that showed that autistics have slower sleep spindles and therefore, most likely, slower SMR. This makes sense to me, since I find that most people with autism will be cranked up by C4 SMR enhancement, because what I'm calling SMR (12-15 Hz) ain't their SMR. For them it would be like enhancing beta at C4. If I'm using an enhance strategy, I find that I'll need to go lower ... maybe 9-12 Hz or even lower. I've got one Asperger's client at the moment who is doing famously with a 7-10 Hz reward. So I think we need to get past the idea that designated bandwidths are set in stone and just work with what's helpful for the individual concerned. Mark Darling (on a very summery beach day in the land of Oz) Re: Frequency bands > > > > It is possible to adjust the frequency bandwidth to whatever you want .... > at > > least that's the case with the 2.0 software that I have. So if 8.5-13.5 Hz > > has previously been helpful, you should be able to continue with that. > > > > Although we often think of SMR as being 12-15 Hz, this isn't necessarily > so. > > Kids with autism, for example, seem to have an SMR that is considerably > > lower in frequency, so 8.5-13.5 Hz could be quite appropriate. > > > > All the best. > > > > Mark Darling > > Sunshine Coast, Australia > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 Gene, If you've never had a client fall asleep in the training chair, you are missing one of life's great pleasures. Believe it or not, you can sleep anywhere! Not just in a hospital. Since the sleep spindle activity occurs at the transition from Stage 1 sleep (I'm lying here, ready to go to sleep) and Stage 2 sleep (I'm out.), it's very easy to achieve it in the office. Sleep spindles aren't a major element of deeper sleep states. Just keep sliding your SMR frequency down carefully at Cz or C4, and chances are very good you'll see sleep spindles (and a client who is apparently zonked out). I need to point out that these clients are not usually really asleep--at least not for some time--because you rarely see the major shift from alpha to theta that signals early stage sleep. They are just in a very deep hypnogogic state. Since most folks who don't produce SMR well have only two speeds--120 miles/hour and asleep--the concept that they can be deeply relaxed and still and awake is quite foreign to them. Pete Frequency Bands Hello--This is even more puzzling, actually, because it means you have to observethe person when he is sleeping, which is only possible in a hospitalsetting. So how does a person with an outpatient office know what theperson was doing in his sleep the night before?Thanks,Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2003 Report Share Posted December 14, 2003 Pete. If a person's SMR is 10-13 due to youth or disorder such as autistic spectrum, then the beta would be 13-16 (roughly). How do we interpret the TLC Assessment which is telling us that "SMR 12-15 is low" or that "beta 15-22" is reversed, etc. Is it not reporting the wrong % for that person as the assessment is set up for brainwaves of adult speed? Or am I off due to the lateness of the hour? REH Frequency Bands Hello--This is even more puzzling, actually, because it means you have to observethe person when he is sleeping, which is only possible in a hospitalsetting. So how does a person with an outpatient office know what theperson was doing in his sleep the night before?Thanks,Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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