Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 At 22:13 2000-05-04 -0600, you wrote: > >Question for the List...How many of you are using sign languange (ALS or home-made) to enhance language skills? We are using " tecken som stöd " (sign as support). We use the signs from Swedish sign language, but only sign significant words and use swedish grammar (swedish sign language has it's own grammar). Zacharina (non ds) did her first sign yesterday (lamp). For those of you how sign and have a ordenary multipe; when did they pic up the signing? Zacharina hasen't said anyting yet exept for TITTA (look). >Not being able to communicate with my son. And even if I can, will other people? I would love to know what your experiences have been. Any advice? From what I have heard signing is only temporary for most kids w/ds. Once they learn to talk they will stop signing. Even though it might take some time... / Mamma till tvillingarna Xerxes (DS) och Zacharina, födda 990129. (Mother to the twins Xerxes and Zacharina, born 1999 - 01 - 29.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2000 Report Share Posted May 9, 2000 Hi , Sara (DS) is 5-1/2 now. We began using a few signs with her when she was 18 mo. to 24 months. I kept thinking I needed to teach her more signs; however, she continued to add words to her vocabulary and actually the words she signed were the first to come and then she would drop the sign, so I highly recommend it as an option to help our little ones communicate. Marcia Mom to Sara (DS) and 5 and Lucas 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2000 Report Share Posted May 10, 2000 Hi - Rudy is the " older " statesman here (lol) and his speech is very poor. He does use alot of sign and alot of Rudyisms. People who dont know sign of course do not understand him however, at 13, Rudy has learned to " get around " and will try to make himself understood in another way. This have really developed in the last 2 years though. By the way, I want to thank all of you for your thoughts and warm wishes. Its hard going from being the caregiver to being the carereceiver but I have possibly the best husband and definately great kids so they have been very supportive. It has certainly given me a much better understanding of what Rudy went through for so many years with his respitory problems and has given me a different insight into the bravery of our children because, quite frankly, it scared the crap out of me!!!!! God is good though and he will see us through this little setback and life will go on. Bless you all. Love & huge hugs for all of my " family " !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 They started teaching sign language when he was 2. , if you're serious, start with very concrete things, like mother and father, using pictures if possible. Food items are also a good thing to teach, if you know his favorites, even better. Also teach more, eat, and maybe something he really likes to do. I remember really liked to swing (and now I know why <big grin>), and I couldn't find a sign for swing. I took sit, which is the first 2 fingers of the right hand crooked over the first 2 fingers of the left hand, made to look like they're sitting down, and then swung it like they were sitting on a swing. The more concrete the sign the better. By concrete, I mean something they can hold in their hand while you do the sign, something they can actually see. Abstract concepts are still hard for at almost 11. Wife to Dewight Mom to , 10 yrs, DS, PDD-NOS and celiac and , 19 months and strong-willed Both Homeschooled ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 In a message dated 1/30/01 11:30:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, hsmyangels@... writes: << Also teach more, eat, and maybe something he really likes to do. I remember really liked to swing (and now I know why ), and I couldn't find a sign for swing. >> Loriann, Swing---hold out your hand with your thumb perpendicular to the hand. Place your opposite two fingers on top of the thumb and rock back and forth. Swinging was one of Maddie's first obsessions, so we HAD to know that one well!! LOLOL Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 <<Valarie, Do you want a definiation of what autism is? Or do you want the characterics (hope I spelled it right) of autism? I'll be glad to look at the internet and find some information about anything that you want about autism.>> Thanks for your offer, but I do know what autism is & I also know how to look it up on the Internet -I'm learning fast! What I wanted to know was what kind of tests were done & what kinds of doctors people took their kids to to get the diagnosis of autism. The parents on this List will help me sort thru it all, but thanks for your interest. Also, I want to encourage you to teach sign language to any of the children you babysit, whether they have special needs or not. When I taught Kindergarten, I taught the children a few signs - toilet being one of them. When I was teaching a lesson or when we were in Circle, they could just sign to me " toilet " without disrupting the class. A Kindergarten child's favourite phrase is " Can I go to the bathroom? " LOL Take care & good luck with school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 for nahtan's testing we were at our reg doc and he mentioned getting his behaviors looked more into etc, so we did and it was a couple hour interview/questions with us, and watching/observing trying to to talk to nathan too. shawna. --- Gordon Burnett <burnett@...> wrote: > <<Valarie, > > Do you want a definiation of what autism is? > Or do you want the > characterics (hope I spelled it right) of autism? > I'll be glad to look at > the internet and find some information about > anything that you want about > autism.>> > > > Thanks for your offer, but I do know what autism > is & I also know how to > look it up on the Internet -I'm learning fast! What > I wanted to know was > what kind of tests were done & what kinds of doctors > people took their kids > to to get the diagnosis of autism. The parents on > this List will help me > sort thru it all, but thanks for your interest. > Also, I want to encourage > you to teach sign language to any of the children > you babysit, whether they > have special needs or not. When I taught > Kindergarten, I taught the > children a few signs - toilet being one of them. > When I was teaching a > lesson or when we were in Circle, they could just > sign to me " toilet " > without disrupting the class. A Kindergarten > child's favourite phrase is > " Can I go to the bathroom? " LOL Take care & good > luck with school. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Valarie, I got this stuff off the internet. It's about testing to do with autism kids. The website where I got this from is: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/autismrec.html, http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home.htm. Hope this helps. From, Deciding Which Tests to Do It’s a balancing act weighing the expense of tests with their usefulness in improving symptoms. In general, the more abnormal the results, the greater the chance for improvements after implementing therapies. Keep in mind that one approach never fits all cases, and we’re available for consultation. The following recommendations are not meant to take the place of sound medical advice from a doctor. (A doctor’s signature is necessary to do the following tests though not necessary to order and have the sample transport containers sent to you.) Initial Testing Recommendations Follow-up Testing Recommendations Frequently Asked Questions about Autism/PDD Testing Initial Testing Recommendations Organic Acids Test - Virtually all specimens from children with autism or PDD have one or more abnormal Organic Acid compounds, due to abnormal levels of yeast and other gastrointestinal bacteria. These compounds can affect, among other things, neurological functioning, vitamin utilization, energy level, intestinal wall integrity, hormone utilization, and muscle function. In addition to identification of excessive levels of GI yeast or bacteria, the test also reveals nutritional or antioxidant deficiencies, inborn errors of metabolism, amino or fatty acid problems, exposure to solvent toxins, indications of possible diabetic conditions, deficiencies of B or C vitamins, and unusual levels of neurotransmitters. Top | Order Yeast Culture and Sensitivity - This test should be done in combination with the organic acid test to get the most accurate reading for yeast and bacteria overgrowth. By doing both of these tests you will have all the evidence your doctor needs to help you treat this problem. The urine organic acid test is the most accurate measure of yeast, which can sometimes be overlooked in the stool test. Yeast can sometimes attach to the intestinal lining and will not be eliminated in the stool. In some cases, the sections of stool where the yeast is present are not the sections that are collected and sent in to be analyzed. Generally, however, the stool test is an accurate test. The greatest benefit of the stool test is the sensitivity portion of the test, which will tell you which antifungal agents your intestinal yeast will respond best to. Top | Order Food Allergy - The impact of food allergies on behavior can be astounding, and cravings are very often, for the same foods that cause allergic reactions. And, those foods may play a role in abnormal levels of GI organisms. We have two panels available; one that tests for 92 foods, and another that tests for 10 of the most common foods people are allergic to. We recommend doing one of these two panels. It is best to have the full panel done. However, the 10 food panel is good for those who have limited resources, or for those who do not want to wait until the yeast problem is under control to see what food allergies they have. Top | Order Immune Deficiency Panel - Numerous papers document inadequate immune functioning in this many populations, increasing the vulnerability to bacterial/viral/fungal infections. In particular, yeast is well-documented as suppressing the immune system. So, if there is an excessive yeast population, it increases the likelihood of an inadequate immune response, in turn, increasing the probability of more infections and more yeast. Our panel is designed specifically for this patient population; for instance, levels of zinc, and specific immune proteins like IgA and subclasses of IgG, are often inadequate. Top | Order Peptide Testing for Milk and Wheat - In most cases people that have food allergies to milk and wheat, also have problems with peptides from milk and wheat interacting with their brain and causing an opiate-like affect. However, there are some people that may not show a food allergy to milk or wheat, but have the peptide problem and vice versa so it is a good idea to have both the peptide and food allergy testing done. If you prefer to have only one of the tests run, we recommend the food allergy testing since it can be assumed that the majority of people who have food allergies to casein and gluten also have the peptide problem. The peptide test is also a urine test and thus may be more convenient. Top | Order Inhalants (Comprehensive or Basic) IgE - Particularly useful when allergies to inhalants, such as dust, molds, and pollens are suspected; blood tests have improved considerably over the years, and are especially helpful with individuals who would have difficulty complying with skin testing or have skin rashes; to save time; or for very young children. May also be considerably cheaper than skin testing. Top | Order Follow-up Testing Recommendations Organic Acids Test - It is helpful to re-test about 4-6 months after the start of treatment, mainly to refine the treatment. If the original test demonstrated undesirable levels of GI microbial metabolites exclusively, then the less comprehensive microbial panel will suffice. The microbial panel measures only 20 of the 62 compounds in the full organic acid profile. Top | Order Yeast Culture and Sensitivity - When redoing the organic acid test or microbial panel it is a good idea to redo this test as well to see if any of the sensitivities have changed after treating the yeast. In some cases yeast can develop resistance to antifungals after being exposed to them. Retest 3-6 months or as needed for treatment directed by your doctor. Top | Order Comprehensive Food Allergy Panel - If you did the basic food allergy test originally, or waited until the yeast problem was addressed or alleviated, it is a good time to do this test. If you did the comprehensive food panel first, when the yeast was present, you should follow up with this test again to see what food allergies are still present. A lot of times food allergies may disappear when the yeast problem is taken care of. Top | Order Amino Acids - Helpful in assessing causes and treatments for lethargy, muscle weakness, vitamin deficiency, protein intolerance, vomiting, kidney stones, inborn errors of metabolism, and seizures. Since many of these symptoms are caused, or worsened, by elevated levels of GI yeast/bacteria, we recommend that Amino Acid testing follow Organic Acid testing and treatment (if indicated) for GI organisms. The Organic Acid test includes some indicators of inborn errors of metabolism. Top | Order Vitamin Profile - Helpful in identifying inadequate diet, malabsorption, poor compliance, gastric mucosal status, and causes of anemia and DNA synthesis deficiency. The 20 vitamin profile is useful if Carnitine levels are needed. Vitamin testing can be very important in children with diarrhea, loose stools, or undigested food in the stool. Children who are extremely picky eaters may also benefit from this test since their nutrient intake may be imbalanced. Recently some researchers have found that in some cases Vitamin A deficiency can cause vision problems in autism, and is thus another good reason to have the vitamin levels checked. Top | Order Essential Fatty Acids - Deficiencies of essential fatty acids are associated with hair loss, dry or peeling skin, diarrhea, eczema, fatigue, aggression, dry brittle hair, eating disorders, excessive thirst, gallstones, growth impairment, immune deficiency, hyperactivity, and impaired wound healing. Essential fatty acids can be deficient due to inadequate dietary intake, diarrhea, loose stools, inadequate production of pancreatic enzymes, or inadequate production or secretion of bile or bile salts. The pattern usually observed in children with autism is deficiency of omega-3 fatty acids, especially alpha-linolenic acid with elevations of arachidonic acid and trans fatty acids. Top | Order Arachidonic acid is extremely important since it is converted to the regulatory substances called prostaglandins. Grains and meats from grain-fed animals may be very high in arachidonic acid. Trans fatty acids are unnatural fatty acids produced by hydrogenating unsaturated fatty acids. Trans fatty acids may be especially harmful when alpha-linolenic acid is deficient. Trans fatty acids may affect neuronal fluidity by virtue of different dimensions compared to cis fatty acids. Trans fatty acids are high in foods like French fries, potato chips, margarine, cookies, and cake. Top | Order Metals (blood, hair or urine) - Hair is useful for the detection of toxic metals such as lead, aluminum, mercury, and cadmium. Lead may be found in dirt near roads and is commonly present in paint from older houses. Children with pica or who eat paint chips may develop toxic lead levels. Cadmium is used in batteries, steel-belted tires, and plastics. The clear plastics used to cover foods may be a source of cadmium and it is also found in cigarette smoke. Mercury is used in batteries, dental amalgam, vacuum pumps, valves, and seals. High amounts of mercury from the dental fillings of the cremated deceased have caused contamination of the surrounding neighborhoods. Arsenic is high in seafood and may also be found in animals fed arsenic in their feed. Arsenic is also present in wood preservatives, fungicides, herbicides, corrosion inhibitors, and in lead and copper alloys. Children with autism may respond favorably to removal of toxic metals. Children with autism as a group also have low values of essential elements like calcium, potassium, zinc, and magnesium. Treatment of heavy metal exposure usually involves the removal of the heavy metal source and/or treatment with chelating agents. Top | Order Frequently Asked Questions about Autism/PDD Testing Yeast Questions Miscellaneous Questions Please remember that general questions about all our tests are answered in our testing FAQ, information about payment is available on our insurance and payment page, and questions about specific tests are usually answered on the page about that test. (See the test listing in the lefthand menu bar.) Yeast Questions If my child has no external signs of yeast such as thrush or anal or genital rashes, could he still have a yeast problem? Yes. In many cases, a behavioral abnormality is the only clue to an underlying yeast overgrowth. Top | Order Could an intermittent low-grade fever be a symptom of yeast infection? Fever often accompanies yeast infection of the blood stream, which is termed " systemic yeast infection. " To test for yeast in the blood, you need to have a yeast culture and/or yeast antibody tests on the blood. The patient may also have an intestinal yeast overgrowth. Top | Order My child has a white coating of the mouth. Could this be a yeast problem? Yes. One of the most common yeast in the intestine is Candida albicans. " Albicans " is a Latin word for white, and a white coating of the tongue may very well be Candida. Top | Order My child has a yeast infection in the genital or anal area. Does this indicate a yeast overgrowth of the intestinal tract? Yes, it could very likely indicate such an overgrowth, but it is impossible to know for sure without testing to confirm it. Top | Order My child has urinary tract infections or a vaginal yeast infections. Could the microorganisms in the urinary tract affect the test results? Microorganisms might contaminate the sample and lead to erroneous results if the urine stands too long at room temperature. Consider stool testing as an alternative in this case. Top | Order Can I test my infant, who is having frequent ear infections, to see if s/he is developing abnormal yeast products? Yes. We provide tape-on bags to collect urine samples from infants or children who are not potty-trained. Simply check the box next to " Include a tape-on sample collection bag... " on your test order form. Top | Order My child has a large number of food allergies. Could this be related to the yeast problem? When should I get food allergies tested? Yes, food allergies can be related to a yeast problem. Yeast can exist in two forms: a floating single cell form or a colony form. When yeast form colonies, they secrete enzymes such as phospholipase and proteases that break down the lining of the intestinal tract in order to attach the yeast colony to the intestinal wall. The holes made by the yeast produce a condition called " leaky guy syndrome " in which large undigested food molecules are absorbed into the bloodstream and elicit food allergies. Once the underlying yeast problem is controlled, the holes in the intestinal wall will heal. Then less undigested food gets into the blood and the number of food allergies will drop. Top | Order Will the use of Nystatin interact adversely with other medications a patient is taking? Nystatin is not absorbed from the intestinal tract in an appreciable quantity unless extremely larger doses are used. Therefore, there are no adverse reactions with drugs such as anti-seziure medications, antidepressants (such as Prozac or Elavil) or other medications. If you use antifungals that are absorbed from the intestinal tracts (such as Lamisil, Sporonox, Diflucan and Nizoral), then drug interactions must always be considered. It's important to be aware that other drugs used simultaneously may be more potent or make the antifungal drug more potent when these latter drugs are used. Top | Order What about starting out all of these therapies at the same time? We recommend that the antifungal therapy precede the allergy and gluten/casein testing, since the yeast may be making the situation worse. As far as supplements such as SuperNuthera and DMG, we recommend that they be tried 2 months before or after the antifungal therapy so that you can know which therapies have been the most beneficial. If you do everything simultaneously, you won't be able to say which therapy is most helpful. Top | Order Could there be adverse reactions to the food colors and flavors in Nystatin? Yes, that is a possibility. If that is the case, then you may have to use the pure Nystatin powder and disguise it in food. One way to disguise it might be to combine it with Stevia, a sweetener that cannot be utilized by the yeast. Stevia is available in most large health food stores. Top | Order What kind of changes might I expect with the antifungal drug therapy? Results are highly variable but the most usual improvement noted is increased focus and concentration. Other improvements may include increased and clearer vocalization, less spinning, decrease in aggressive or self-abusive behavior like head-banging, better sleep pattern, increased socialization and better eye contact. Antifungal therapy does not appear to help individuals with normal or marginally elevated yeast metabolites. Ultimately, antifungal therapy is not a cure for autism by itself, but can significantly improve the life of the individual with autism and their family. Top | Order Miscellaneous Questions My child only eats bread, cereal or pasta. How can I change his diet without starving my child? Many parents have reported that their children may refuse the altered diet for three or four days, then give in and eat the new foods. However, it would be wise to consult your physician before starting the diet. A short time without eating is not harmful to most children, but might be significant if your child has a special medical problem like diabetes. Top | Order What foods have Lactobacillus acidophilus in them? Yogurt is high in Lactobacillus acidophilus. The unflavored or plain kind is more highly recommended than flavored, because yeast may grow in the kind with fruit on the bottom. Some milk now also has acidophilus added. Just read the labels. Top | Order What about the use of " Sara's diet " and the reported sensitivity to vitamin A and carotenes? What can you tell me about your organic acid test and this diet? At this time, the organic acid test is not useful in predicting whether or not a person will respond favorably to Sara's diet. Currently there is no known biochemical basis for this diet. Top | Order Where can I get SuperNuthera (a combination of vitamin B-6, magnesium and other vitamins)? Kirkman Sales Company PO Box 1009 ville, OR 97070 Phone: 800-245-8282 or 503-694-1600 Email: kirkman@... The company provides a sheet indicating the recommended dosage and ways to give it in food. Top | Order Where can I get dimethylglycine? Wholesale Nutrition Box 3345 Saratoga, CA 95070 Top | Order Where can I get various antifungal supplements such as caprylic acid, MCT oil, grapefruit seed extract or garlic extract? All of these supplements can be obtained in health food stores or from mail order companies. The does for children are usually not specified with these products, and the yeast die-off reaction is usually just as severe as with prescription drugs. The main benefits of prescription drugs are the additional quality control measures required for these products and the availability of pediatric guidelines. Top | Order What side effects may be associated with the use of Flagyl or oral Vancomycin to control the overgrowth of Clostridia in the intestinal tract? The main side effects of Flagyl or Vanocmycin are probably due to the release of bacterial toxins as the Clostridia and other bacteria die. Side effects may be very severe and usually last from 2-10 days. A child should be under close medical supervision while on this drug. Side effects may include severe diarrhea, heart palpitations, extreme lethargy and fever with drenching sweats. A child should not start both the Flagyl/Vancomycin and antifungal therapy simultaneously because the combined die-off reaction may be too severe. Both Flagyl and Vancomycin will kill the friendly bacteria and it is very important to start Lactobacillus acidophilus as soon as the Flagyl/Vancomycin therapy stops or there will be a recurrence of the Clostridia or a yeast overgrowth. It is OK to continue Nystatin during Flagyl/Vancomycin therapy. Just don't start the antifungal and antibacterial therapies simultaneously. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Good morning, Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello --- not getting into that again just a joke). So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have entered this puzzle called life. 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. I went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating because everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how often etc. in your opinions/experience. 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as well as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating with each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin working on that. Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet reading everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J Thanks in advance for your insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 , My daughter had her initial evaluation when she was just 1 week old. It is hard to remember that far back, Dani is now 19, but I do remember the therapist giving us exercises to do with her that would help strengthen her muscles. I also remember the speech therapist giving us a Nuk toothbrush that we used to stimulate her mouth and muscles around her mouth before each feeding. We also used sign language which the speech therapist taught to us and we used it. As far at teaching sign language to your 2 year old - don't worry about it - as you use it with Noah she will pick it up too. My sister babysat le while I worked. He son, who is a year younger than Dani learned sign language from her using it. Little kids suck up everything - she will learn it right along with the rest of you. Jackie Boyd mom to Dani, 19ds, and , 22 Boruchowitz wrote: > > > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in > communicating with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yes, please don't make me throw jello at you :0) What state do you live in? started early intervention at 6 weeks! She received physical, speech and developmental (which was a combo of physical and speech). The (idiots) doctors who told you physical was not necessary...go ask them how to keep Noah's legs from flopping? How to align his shoulders the proper way so he can reach up for toys that hang over him (normally low muscle tone and loose joints make it much more difficult for a child to bring their arms up to touch the toys, but there are tricks that PT's know and can teach you to do with him everyday). Ask them how can you help him learn to sit up PROPERLY, since that is very important for his posture and development. As for speech...ask them how you are supposed to determine how he eats, when he is ready for solid food. Our kids usually move food around their mouths differently, and ask them how are you supposed to know if Noah has low muscle tone in his mouth and what types of activities you can do with him to help strengthen those muscles. How is he supposed to learn how to drink from a straw? Speech therapists don't just teach your kiddo how to talk...ours taught how to do a rasberry...which was a big deal!! We were also encouraged to use sign language, and all of 's therapists used it with her. We started with simple signs like " more " , " juice " , " milk " , " cookie " ...I just bought a book on American Sign Language and as her speech therapist would teach the sign, I would use it, too. We started teaching signs at about 6 months...she couldn't do them, but she saw us doing them. Once she started talking, she dropped the signs. I really like the Woodbine series of books...Gross Motor skills in children with Down syndrome, Fine Motor skills, Early Communication skills. I'm sitting here shaking my head at these doctors, only because they remind me of 's first pediatrician who told me she would never be smarter than an 8 year old and her first specialist (in Down syndrome) who basically said the same thing...IDIOTS!!! I've mailed them each a letter, a picture and a copy of her progress from her specialist every year...and since she turned 8 this year, I asked both of them if they thought maybe they should have their medical license re-examined. I realize that not all children have the same level of abilities, BUT, they all have the right to early intervention as soon as possible so they can reach their highest level of potential. No doctor can tell you what Noah can and cannot do...he can't possibly know that. It makes me mad that you had two different doctors tell you such a stupid thing...he's not walking, so he doesn't need physical therapy. Want to hear something funny? Once started walking, I was told she no longer needed physical therapy BECAUSE she was walking. Moyers Kay Independent Beauty Consultant 832-816-7992 www.marykay.com/jendmoyers ________________________________ From: Boruchowitz <dboruchowitz@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:07:44 PM Subject: Sign Language Good morning, Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello --- not getting into that again just a joke). So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have entered this puzzle called life. 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. I went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating because everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how often etc. in your opinions/experience . 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as well as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating with each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin working on that. Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet reading everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J Thanks in advance for your insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 your 1st ?: Nic started almost immediately with OT and PT and a teacher who came to the house. We used sign with Nic and it worked well. The speech therapist showed us most of the signs but there are good videos and books out there, it's pretty popular. Once he learned to speak the signs faded but that's your choice to continue or not. Di Sign Language > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. > I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating > because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating > with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 your 1st ?: Nic started almost immediately with OT and PT and a teacher who came to the house. We used sign with Nic and it worked well. The speech therapist showed us most of the signs but there are good videos and books out there, it's pretty popular. Once he learned to speak the signs faded but that's your choice to continue or not. Di Sign Language > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. > I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating > because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating > with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 , Good morning I have a couple of thoughts to your questions on sign language...just MY opinions by the way, and I am sure that many people have lots of info to share. We have lots of good ideas here on I wanted to tell you that we LOVE sign language!!!!!! I had people tell me not to use it with our son that it would discourage him from talking, keep him from talking, yada yada. NOT TRUE. We credit sign language with how is doing so well. It was a BRIDGE to talking for him. He was very delayed in his speech and still has trouble being understood sometimes, but he can ALWAYS get his point across. At about 3 years old, when he was being " tested " for something...to find out his levels, IQ, something. They were talking about he should be able at his age to put 3-5 words together to form sentences. I said he could only say one word at a time, but was signing much more. They said they could only count the speech. While the questions were being asked of me, he crawled up and signed, " Mommy, story book please now " and brought me a book. I had to laugh, because while they were in the middle of labeling my child as severely delayed, I knew in my heart that he was getting his needs met and was able to communicate with his family just fine. never really did tantrum or anything because he didn't have that frustration with communication. We are SO glad we used sign. At one point, at about 3 years of age, his vocabulary was 300 words. Slowly as he learned to talk, he would replace the sign with the word. So, now he rarely signs, but does use it when necessary. I actually ended up taking sign language at our community college to keep up with my " severely retarded " son because he soaked it up so fast, I couldn't stay ahead of him otherwise! haha. Good luck, Kym...mom to 5 including (now age 12 with DS) Sign Language > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. > I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating > because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating > with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 , Good morning I have a couple of thoughts to your questions on sign language...just MY opinions by the way, and I am sure that many people have lots of info to share. We have lots of good ideas here on I wanted to tell you that we LOVE sign language!!!!!! I had people tell me not to use it with our son that it would discourage him from talking, keep him from talking, yada yada. NOT TRUE. We credit sign language with how is doing so well. It was a BRIDGE to talking for him. He was very delayed in his speech and still has trouble being understood sometimes, but he can ALWAYS get his point across. At about 3 years old, when he was being " tested " for something...to find out his levels, IQ, something. They were talking about he should be able at his age to put 3-5 words together to form sentences. I said he could only say one word at a time, but was signing much more. They said they could only count the speech. While the questions were being asked of me, he crawled up and signed, " Mommy, story book please now " and brought me a book. I had to laugh, because while they were in the middle of labeling my child as severely delayed, I knew in my heart that he was getting his needs met and was able to communicate with his family just fine. never really did tantrum or anything because he didn't have that frustration with communication. We are SO glad we used sign. At one point, at about 3 years of age, his vocabulary was 300 words. Slowly as he learned to talk, he would replace the sign with the word. So, now he rarely signs, but does use it when necessary. I actually ended up taking sign language at our community college to keep up with my " severely retarded " son because he soaked it up so fast, I couldn't stay ahead of him otherwise! haha. Good luck, Kym...mom to 5 including (now age 12 with DS) Sign Language > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. > I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating > because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating > with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 We used sign with Noah and it made such a huge difference. I would use it with my typical kids if I'd have had any more! I would suggest " signing exact english " as it's much more intuitive than ASL. It's based on Native American signs, and can be more easily figured out, even if you don't know sign language. I would insist on speech, PT and OT for my child. They address feeding issues, prepare the mouth for speaking and eating, strengthen them for sitting, crawling, etc. Contact the county, they are responsible for Early Intervention, and in all the places I've lived, (Oregon, Florida, and Texas) it started at 3 months. good luck! Karla in Texas Sign Language > Good morning, > > Figured people probably wanted a new topic to talk about (other than jello > --- not getting into that again just a joke). > > > > So, I had a couple of questions for those experienced long before I have > entered this puzzle called life. > > > > 1. I continue to try to get Noah (3months now) into therapy. My > doctor says because of his inability at this age no matter what to walk, > crawl etc, there would be no point in putting him in physical therapy yet. > And because he can't talk why would we put him in speech therapy yet. > Problem being therapy places won't take me without referral from doctor. > I > went to a second doctor who agreed with first doctor. So now I am on 4 > month waiting list for early intervention And in the mean time they are > coming out once in a while and doing some basic " preliminary assessments " . > Other than that I can't get him any therapy. Very Very frustrating > because > everything I read and hear is therapy should start right away. So for the > question. How soon should therapy start, and what kinds of therapy, how > often etc. in your opinions/experience. > > 2. One of the early intervention representatives recommended that I > begin thinking about teaching Noah sign language (even at his age), as > well > as his 2 year old sister sign language, to assist them in communicating > with > each other as well as us. They suggested that there was some " program > (didn't specify television, computer, what) that was really beneficial. > Thought I'd see what everyone's experience was with that so I could begin > working on that. > > > > Other than that I am grateful I don't have to deal with schools yet > reading > everyone's posts, and realize that it is a short while away. > > > > For quick update. The Dr.'s moved Noah's surgery up and we had it last > week. After open heart surgery, repair and 2 day recovery in the hospital > we are home and he is doing much better. Growing. Smiling. Laughing. > Sucking his thumb. All at 3 months. Who would have thought J > > > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Hello, I have a Mom in my support group who is doing her College Dissertation on children with Down syndrome and intro to sign language as a support for further growth....anyhow my way of stating it is off I think but you what I mean. She needs to interview some families via Internet, telephone, however there are few families in our little area. Would anyone be willing to talk with her? I will post her email in an email to you if you would. Thanks, Gwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 We started signing with Maverick at birth. At 9 months he was independently signing Mommy, Daddy, and Barney. Sign is a wonderful bridge for our kids to use before they get to that speech ability that they can be successful at. It eases so many frustrations when a child is signing and being able to be understood. As for other therapies, yes, there are long waiting lists, and what most EI's have to offer right now is not much because of budget cuts. It's that way all over. But you can do things like making sure he has a lot of movement.. common sense rolling on balls, moving his body the way you want it to move, holding him outwards over your arm to increase back muscle. And all the while engage the child in conversation. Stimulate that little body and mind and just treat him like any other child, but more concentrated. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I would if she needs me! Cammie Heflin check out our blog! www.theheflinfamily.blogspot.com _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of GwenDBNO@... Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:36 AM dboruchowitz@...; Subject: Re: Sign Language Hello, I have a Mom in my support group who is doing her College Dissertation on children with Down syndrome and intro to sign language as a support for further growth....anyhow my way of stating it is off I think but you what I mean. She needs to interview some families via Internet, telephone, however there are few families in our little area. Would anyone be willing to talk with her? I will post her email in an email to you if you would. Thanks, Gwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Sure. Send her name and email to me. Kiersten From: @grou ps.com [mailto:@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of GwenDBNOaol (DOT) com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:36 AM dboruchowitz@ fltg.net; @grou ps.com Subject: Re: Sign Language Hello, I have a Mom in my support group who is doing her College Dissertation on children with Down syndrome and intro to sign language as a support for further growth....anyhow my way of stating it is off I think but you what I mean. She needs to interview some families via Internet, telephone, however there are few families in our little area. Would anyone be willing to talk with her? I will post her email in an email to you if you would. Thanks, Gwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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