Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Hi Pete I just downloaded Bio Explorer and I'm trying to figure it out. I am still using my old EEG Spectrum and Procomp only to do AT and I would love to get rid of these two cumbersome boxes and use BioEx to do AT. I know exactly what the protocol should look like (sound like) but I have no idea how to program it on the software. I'd be interested in what your experience has been. If it could work I'd sell the Dells in a heartbeat. I listened to some of the canned protocols yesterday and the sound is fantastic. I didn't know the computer was capable of them. The ESI protocol has a sound for the A state, when it predominates, and a different environmental sound for the T state. the change should be very slow and deliberate. then there are two shorter sounds to indicate shorter bursts of A or T. Bill says to adjust the percent reward when they've drifted away for one minute. He also changes the inhibit from 15-30 to 2-5 after crossover. Using the greater sound quality of the Bio Explorer, I'd love to see some sort of " deepening " of the reward sounds after crossover. I'd love to know what your're protocols sound like and how they work, but I admit i am a long way from understanding what makes BioEx work. On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 06:40 PM, VanDeusen wrote: > , > > I've done a couple of nice Alpha/Theta protocols using Bio Explorer, > though > the quality of the sound depends on the quality of your sound card. > I've > always previously used WaveRider, which has exceptional sound > capabilities, > but Bio Explorer gives the same kind of capacity to BrainMaster. > > Pete > > VanDeusen > Practical Brain Training. > 305/251-0337 > pvdadp@... > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Goldring <paul.goldring@...> > > < > > > Cc: <brainm > > > Date: 7/8/03 8:10:07 AM > > Subject: > > > > I am looking for a good substitute for Alpha Theta as produced by the > > EEG Spectrum system. This has sounds indicating a general alpha or > > theta state, a deep ocean wave or a shallow brook. Then there are > brief > > sounds indicating bursts of alpha or beta. After a crossover the > > inhibits are changed from 15-30 hz to 2-5 hz. Sounds are the weakest > > link of the Brainmaster software. Is there any other software that > will > > play on that platform that can aproximate this paradigm? I want to > sell > > my cumbersome system. > > Thanks > > > > > <image.tiff> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 There is a new A/T protocol (in fact at least two of them) in the 1.0 update package for BioExplorer users that will be sent out to all who have purchased the protocols package when 1.0 is released. And, of course, if clients find sounds irritating, the trainer has a great deal of flexibility in changing them, even in the original A/T protocol. Pete > > From: Goldring <paul.goldring@...> > Date: 2004/09/14 Tue PM 02:56:43 EDT > > Subject: Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > Yes. Brainmaster is far superior. the sounds are compelling and > powerful and intuitively satisfying. Everbody who listened to the > sounds of the AT design in BE seemed confused or even irritated. I had > stopped using AT completely, now I'm going back to it. The Othmers got > this one right and Tom has reproduced it perfectly. > > > On Sep 14, 2004, at 2:46 PM, P. Dal Cerro, Ph.D. wrote: > > Have you compared his to Pete's BE protocol for A/T? > > > > > All > > I began professionally with neurofeedback using EEG Spectrum > equipment > > and philosophy. I left it behind about a year ago and sold my > > equipment. I never looked back except for Alpha theta. I miss the > way > > that was implemented on the old system. > > Now Brainmaster has a protocol which is better then the old one: > better > > only because it is more adaptabile. Using Bmr 2.0 you can access > this > > new sound system which has ambient continous and punctate audio > which > > sounds great and works easily. I do not use the Brainmaster > software > > much but this alone is reason to get it. You have to purchase the > AVI > > unlock to get access to it. But if you want to do AT this is by far > the > > best way to go. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 , Though what you suggest is possible, it's not easy to get wav files that are long and complex enough to sound good instead of two waves repeating over and over with a click between them. I've tried several times to do this. Any suggestions that you've found to make that work better? Pete > > From: <gmartin@...> > Date: 2004/09/14 Tue PM 04:07:19 EDT > > Subject: Re: Re: Alpha theta > > , > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves and a > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean waves.wav etc > should get you many hits. Sounds.com is a great resource. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Pete, If you want to connect wav files or any audio files without the annoying click that is normally experienced, use an audio editing program such as CoolEdit Pro. The unwanted sound can be removed and the seam is virtually unnoticeable. I believe that CoolEdit recently was sold to Adobe and is now known as Adobe Audition; howver, I still use the original program. It is probably downloadable as a trial and can be found at various sites. Fulghum > , > > Though what you suggest is possible, it's not easy to get wav files that are long and complex enough to sound good instead of two waves repeating over and over with a click between them. I've tried several times to do this. Any suggestions that you've found to make that work better? > > Pete > > > > > From: <gmartin@u...> > > Date: 2004/09/14 Tue PM 04:07:19 EDT > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > > , > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves and a > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean waves.wav etc > > should get you many hits. Sounds.com is a great resource. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Hello all, I am a psychologist in Australia, recently purchased a Brainmaster 2.0 and now working myself up to speed (?) with neurofeedback. I have enjoyed ‘listening in’ for some time and learning from your ‘hands on’ experiences. Pete, I use the Nero 6 suite of programs to deal with my cd storage, cd burning and sound track editing. The suite includes a program called Nero Wave Editor which allows for competent sound editing suitable for your need. Hope this helps Malcolm McEnery Beenleigh Counselling & Psychology PO Box 1505 Beenleigh Q 4207 Australia Phone/Fax 617 3382 0271 malcolm@... From: zenzete [mailto:zenzete@...] Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Alpha theta Pete, If you want to connect wav files or any audio files without the annoying click that is normally experienced, use an audio editing program such as CoolEdit Pro. The unwanted sound can be removed and the seam is virtually unnoticeable. I believe that CoolEdit recently was sold to Adobe and is now known as Adobe Audition; howver, I still use the original program. It is probably downloadable as a trial and can be found at various sites. Fulghum > , > > Though what you suggest is possible, it's not easy to get wav files that are long and complex enough to sound good instead of two waves repeating over and over with a click between them. I've tried several times to do this. Any suggestions that you've found to make that work better? > > Pete > > > > > From: <gmartin@u...> > > Date: 2004/09/14 Tue PM 04:07:19 EDT > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > > , > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves and a > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean waves.wav etc > > should get you many hits. Sounds.com is a great resource. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yes, cool edit is now Adobe Audition. still the same program, but of course more expensive. I work with the Adobe Audition and like it. Meike > > , > > > > Though what you suggest is possible, it's not easy to get wav > files that are long and complex enough to sound good instead of two > waves repeating over and over with a click between them. I've tried > several times to do this. Any suggestions that you've found to make > that work better? > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > From: <gmartin@u...> > > > Date: 2004/09/14 Tue PM 04:07:19 EDT > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > > > > , > > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves > and a > > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean > waves.wav etc > > > should get you many hits. Sounds.com is a great resource. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Check out: http://audacity.sourceforge.net /ChuckD.... http://roshi.com/ Re: Re: Alpha theta> > > > > > ,> > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves > and a > > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean > waves.wav etc > > > should get you many hits. Sounds.com is a great resource.> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Chuck et al I think I mentioned hear that I have used audacity. It is open source freeware and very nice. On Sep 21, 2004, at 6:25 AM, roshicorp@... wrote: > Check out:http://audacity.sourceforge.net > > /ChuckD.... > http://roshi.com/ > > Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > > > > > > , > > > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves > > and a > > > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean > > wa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I thought I had seen that name, before, , but forgot, as I hang out on a couple of computer geek lists /ChuckD.... Re: Re: Alpha theta > > > > > > > > , > > > > The way to duplicate the sounds is to use .wav files of waves > > and a > > > > brook in teh BE audio player.. The a google for ocean > > wa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 A few good sound files can be found at: http://spazioinwind.libero.it/gowebs/index.htm Ulisses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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