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I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do better socially with kids her age.

She has not been fully included in the general ed setting and she has not formed

bonds with her classmates. is very social, and would have no problem

creating friendships with a new second grade class, and now that I realize she

was not being included as she should have been, I would be able to help foster

those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have the

unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential...and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my

chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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Hi,

Kiersten gave me some good advice and I just sent an email to the principal

revoking my consent.  In Texas, if your child is 5 by September 1, then your

child is eligible to go to Kindergarten.  Kindergarten is not required in Texas,

but I've lived her my entire life and have never seen anyone not go to

Kindergarten.

However, in the case of Early Childhood (3-5), once your child turns 5, they are

supposed to transition...they go to EC for a half day, and then spend the other

half in Kindergarten, until the next school year.  Then they go into full time

Kindergarten.  Well, since 's birthday is August 23, there was no

transition time, she went directly into Kindergarten.

The teachers have their hands tied.  The principal is in all of my ARD meetings,

mainly because I push the limits and don't just go along with the

recommendations of the school.  Neither 's developmental teacher nor her

general ed teacher commented.  I believe that if they go against the

recommendation of their boss, they fear they will lose their job.  That's just

my opinion.  The school psychologist could only produce research based on

general education students, and she commented that Klein ISD basis it's

decisions on research.

There has to be something the district is getting out of moving along to

third grade.  Or there has to be something that will happen if they retain her,

but no one is talking.  I'm guessing they could lose some type of status, I

don't know.  But I know that this is not as big of a deal as the school is

making it out to be, especially since  is so young.

Thank you everyone for responding

  Moyers

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Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:06:13 PM

Subject: Re: I lost

Hi ,

Boy, I just don't understand this.

I live in Ohio. Olivia is 7, she will be 8 in July. When she was three, she

began preschool - the Early Intervention. At 6 years old, she began

kindergarten, and I remember being told by law, that is the age here in Ohio for

children to enter kindergarten. But she has now repeated kindergarten, there was

never a problem with that. However, she is in a special needs classroom, and

spends part of her time there, part of her time in the regular classroom. Her

special ed teacher is the one who saw the need for her to repeat, and I agreed

with her, and she made it clear at the IEP meeting that this would be happening.

Do you have any person from special ed that can help you present this to the

school board? I have heard of plenty of kids with ds repeating the early grades.

sounds a lot like Olivia. Livi seems to get on better with kids younger

than her, and she is small for her age, so I would rather have her in classes

with younger vs. older students.

I wish I could help you! Maybe somebody will know of some research that can

prove your " instinct " about holding her back correct. If I find some, would you

still be able to use it? Whatever happens, you shouild know that you didn't let

down. You are still her biggest advocate. She is lucky to have a mom who

cares so much about her future.

Patty

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Subject: I lost

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:10 PM

I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do

better socially with kids her age. She has not been fully included in the

general ed setting and she has not formed bonds with her classmates. is

very social, and would have no problem creating friendships with a new second

grade class, and now that I realize she was not being included as she should

have been, I would be able to help foster those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have the

unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential... and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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I was going to say the same thing. started school in Florida at age 3.

She attended a preschool class at Head Start for age three and then the next

year she was in a special prek class in public school. IDEA covers kids from age

three. Why did her daughter not start until 5?

I lost

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:10 PM

I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do

better socially with kids her age. She has not been fully included in the

general ed setting and she has not formed bonds with her classmates. is

very social, and would have no problem creating friendships with a new second

grade class, and now that I realize she was not being included as she should

have been, I would be able to help foster those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have

the unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential... and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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Alden was born in Atlanta.  We had the state therapies, for whatever they were

worth.  When we moved to land, Alden qualified for the therapies (he was not

quite 3) but after our first meeting we all felt that we could use a break.  He

was doing well with what we were doing.  Then when he qualified for out of home

therapy in a school setting and could go to " pre-school " , we had him go to that

for a few hours a few times a week.  That was nice.

He then was age ready for Pre K 4 and we tried it for one week.  He was

overwhelmed.  So I wrote my reasons for him to be moved back into the other

program (even though he was 4 years of age. He was easily moved back into the

Pre K program.  Technically, that would have been his first retention, I

suppose.

After that, he no longer qualified for Pre K 4.  Criteria was only by age.  So

he went to Kindergarten.  He did OK, but for me... that was his PreK4 year

(actual age of 5).  I held him back for another go at Kinder.  He was 6 and

turned 7 in Dec.  

Now he will go to First Grade, age 7.  There are other children that will turn 7

in First Grade.  Sometimes, the age catagories don't fit for certain children,

special needs or not.

My husband was the youngest in his grade.  His mother worked.  So he was sent to

school asap.  He did OK, but he will admit that it was tough being the smallest,

youngest boy in class all of the time.  He feels that if it could be done

over... waiting would have been better for him all the way around.

When we moved to Texas, the Principal at our first school tried to force me to

put Alden into First Grade.  (He had started in land in his second year of

Kindergarten so his transcripts in October were KINDERGARTEN)  He wanted him to

qualify for their AIM I program which starts in First Grade.  He failed to

inform me about the Kinder-Collaborative.  I finally got it all sorted out but

that was why I had to go through the TEA complaint/mediation process.

Once TEA was involved,  a nuetral advocate was present at the 3rd ARD meeting

and the principal was told that actually, Kindergarten was ages 5-7 anyway, so

Alden was in the right placement.  Only then did the diagnostician for that

school mention the Kinder-Coll. at another EPISD school.  In fact, that school's

principal showed up at this ARD and they were happy to bus Alden to their

school.

What a pain some administrators can be.  You have to dig to get the districts

true information if someone else has an agenda.  Trust your own instincts.  Some

things you WILL have to accept, such as the way a district works certain

programs but there are some things that are just ridiculous and not acceptable.

This coming year, I will be watching Alden's goals closely.  I expect him to

learn, no matter what setting he is in.  

Have a great summer!  Kiersten

Oh.  Here in Texas, Alden qualifies for EYS.  He did NOT qualify in land.  I

didn't know enough then to fight for it.  In land, they even took away his

Speech at the beginning of Kinder his second time around!  But we were moving

anyway, and it is reinstated now.

Sheesh!

From: jendmoyers <jendmoyers (DOT) com>

Subject: I lost

@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:10 PM

I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do

better socially with kids her age. She has not been fully included in the

general ed setting and she has not formed bonds with her classmates. is

very social, and would have no problem creating friendships with a new second

grade class, and now that I realize she was not being included as she should

have been, I would be able to help foster those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have

the unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential... and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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Thanks for explaining your situation - I remember some of this, like when you

moved to TX - you have had to learn a lot as you moved around! A lot of the

acronyms aren't familiar to me, but in 's case with it sounds so

odd to me that the school  would be so resistant to allowing her to repeat a

grade - they have to keep her until she turns 21, anyway, right? So, somewhere

along the way she'll be going through a grade again, and as I have heard so many

times before, it is better to repeat the lower ones, so the foundation of their

education is stronger, and it isn't as traumatic seeing their peers move on.

 

Does live in Texas too? Were you able to help her?

 

Patty

From: jendmoyers <jendmoyers@ . com>

Subject: I lost

@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:10 PM

I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do

better socially with kids her age. She has not been fully included in the

general ed setting and she has not formed bonds with her classmates. is

very social, and would have no problem creating friendships with a new second

grade class, and now that I realize she was not being included as she should

have been, I would be able to help foster those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have the

unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential... and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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Hi,

did go to Early Childhood Intervention (ECI) beginning at age 3.  She has

been in early intervention programs since she was 6 weeks old.  When she was in

ECI, she did not qualify for ESY, and I had no idea what I was doing.  ECI ends

at the age of 5, when your child turns 5.  If your child turns 5 durning the

school year, then they transition them into the half day ECI/half day

kindergarten, and then when the new school years comes around, you go to

full time kindergarten.  Since 's bday is late August, she turned 5 and

went straight into kindergarten.  I was not given any options, and I did ask

that she be allowed to stay in Early Childhood another year, but by law, she

no longer qualified.  At that time, I could have held her out of school, at

home, but she would not have received any services for an entire year, and I

just wasn't going to do that.  I thought that I would be able to hold her back a

year.  In kindergarten,

flourished.  Her ECI class was not very good and did not learn

much.  There were other kids in her class with high demands and only one teacher

and an aide.  was very well-behaved (boy, do I miss those days...lol) and

I think she was left to play more than she was given instruction.  However, her

kinder teacher was phenomenal and learned what she should have learned in

ECI, plus what she was supposed to learn in kindergarten.  She was beginning to

read by the end of the year!  We moved, and I asked that  be allowed to

stay at this school, but the district said no, this particular school was a

closed campus due to over-crowding, so we started at 's current elementary

school.  When  began first grade, she was mainstreamed into reading and

math.  In the middle of the year, I pulled her out of general ed because she was

not doing as well, she still needed one on one instruction.  Also, my oldest

daughter was killed in June of 2007, the summer started first grade.  I

was not a good advocate at that time, I just couldn't comprehend anything. 

Fortunately, had a great special ed teacher who pushed her, and

responded.  At the end of the year, I asked that  be retained in first

grade, and when I was told no, I didn't pursue it like I should have.  We were

approaching the one year anniversary of Macy's death and I was overwhelmed.  I

told myself that I still had one more year.  I believe that once  turns 9,

she will understand what being held back will mean, and I don't want to hurt her

self-esteem.  And now, here we are.

I have finished crying my tears today.  I got some great advice from all of you

and it helped me tremendously.  I emailed the principal earlier today informing

her that I was revoking my consent for placement in third grade and pointed out

that in the meeting yesterday, I was told that I had to make a decision right

then and there, and if I didn't agree, the next step is due process.  I made the

comment that I did not want to continue fighting with them and that I did not

have the unlimited funds the district did to go to court.  No one in that room

told me the next step is to go to the superintendent or ask for a mediation

through TEA.  I know that the principal is going to come back and say that " due

process " meant following the outlines in the ARD process, but I was very

specific in my comment that I was understanding that " due process " is a due

process hearing.

I know there is an agenda here, I just can't figure out what it is.  But thanks

to you, all of you, I was able to get my head back on straight and realize that

this is not over.  While researching retaining a child, I came across a lot of

articles on school districts here in Texas running rampant with district funds

to fight legal battles against parents with chidren who have special needs.  It

blows my mind that I pay taxes and then my school district uses my money (and

everyone else's) to defend themselves against me.  So not only am I footing the

bill for my own attorney, I am footing the bill for the district to defend

themselves against me...should I ever have to go to court.

Thank you, thank you and thank you some more!  I have a funny feeling that when

I request mediation through TEA, the ARD committee may change it's mind.  Who

knows.  What I do know is that I am so very grateful I found this group.

  Moyers

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832-816-7992

www.marykay.com/jendmoyers

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Patty Derdzinski <pderdzinski@...>; ;

jendmoyers <jendmoyers@...>; Kathy sen <northnr@...>

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:49:14 PM

Subject: Re: I lost

Alden was born in Atlanta.  We had the state therapies, for whatever they were

worth.  When we moved to land, Alden qualified for the therapies (he was not

quite 3) but after our first meeting we all felt that we could use a break.  He

was doing well with what we were doing.  Then when he qualified for out of home

therapy in a school setting and could go to " pre-school " , we had him go to that

for a few hours a few times a week.  That was nice.

He then was age ready for Pre K 4 and we tried it for one week.  He was

overwhelmed.  So I wrote my reasons for him to be moved back into the other

program (even though he was 4 years of age. He was easily moved back into the

Pre K program.  Technically, that would have been his first retention, I

suppose.

After that, he no longer qualified for Pre K 4.  Criteria was only by age.  So

he went to Kindergarten.  He did OK, but for me... that was his PreK4 year

(actual age of 5).  I held him back for another go at Kinder.  He was 6 and

turned 7 in Dec.  

Now he will go to First Grade, age 7.  There are other children that will turn 7

in First Grade.  Sometimes, the age catagories don't fit for certain children,

special needs or not.

My husband was the youngest in his grade.  His mother worked.  So he was sent to

school asap.  He did OK, but he will admit that it was tough being the smallest,

youngest boy in class all of the time.  He feels that if it could be done

over... waiting would have been better for him all the way around.

When we moved to Texas, the Principal at our first school tried to force me to

put Alden into First Grade.  (He had started in land in his second year of

Kindergarten so his transcripts in October were KINDERGARTEN)  He wanted him to

qualify for their AIM I program which starts in First Grade.  He failed to

inform me about the Kinder-Collaborative.  I finally got it all sorted out but

that was why I had to go through the TEA complaint/mediation process.

Once TEA was involved,  a nuetral advocate was present at the 3rd ARD meeting

and the principal was told that actually, Kindergarten was ages 5-7 anyway, so

Alden was in the right placement.  Only then did the diagnostician for that

school mention the Kinder-Coll. at another EPISD school.  In fact, that school's

principal showed up at this ARD and they were happy to bus Alden to their

school.

What a pain some administrators can be.  You have to dig to get the districts

true information if someone else has an agenda.  Trust your own instincts.  Some

things you WILL have to accept, such as the way a district works certain

programs but there are some things that are just ridiculous and not acceptable.

This coming year, I will be watching Alden's goals closely.  I expect him to

learn, no matter what setting he is in.  

Have a great summer!  Kiersten

Oh.  Here in Texas, Alden qualifies for EYS.  He did NOT qualify in land.  I

didn't know enough then to fight for it.  In land, they even took away his

Speech at the beginning of Kinder his second time around!  But we were moving

anyway, and it is reinstated now.

Sheesh!

From: jendmoyers <jendmoyers (DOT) com>

Subject: I lost

@grou ps.com

Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 1:10 PM

I have been going back and forth with 's elementary school for months now

trying to have her retained in the second grade. has a late August

birthday, and she is one of the youngest children in second grade. I was not

able to hold her back before she began kindergarten; she turned 5 and

immediately started kindergarten. The only option at the time was to hold her

back myself and keep her out of school for an entire year. I couldn't do that,

it wasn't fair to to lose a year of instruction simply because she had a

late birthday. Second grade was, in my opinion, my last opportunity to have her

held back before she understood what was going on and it affected her

self-esteem. I did countless hours of research, looking for anything I could

find on the pros/cons of retaining a child with Down syndrome. I was unable to

find anything, and neither was the school. My own instincts are all I have, and

I know in my heart that my daughter would do

better socially with kids her age. She has not been fully included in the

general ed setting and she has not formed bonds with her classmates. is

very social, and would have no problem creating friendships with a new second

grade class, and now that I realize she was not being included as she should

have been, I would be able to help foster those bonds and friendships.

However, the school is adamant that retention is not an appropriate

intervention, even though the only research data they have is on general

education students.

Had I not conceded to them, the next step is due process, and I do not have the

unlimited funds our district has to win in court.

I am heartbroken, because I believe that I know what is best for . She is

" high functioning " and we have to fight for everything. I wanted so much to

close some of the gap between and her peers. I feel like I have let her

down and it hurts my soul. She is so incredible, she doesn't ask for much. She

is so independent and smart, she is perceptive and funny and has unlimited

potential... and yet I, her mom, couldn't get the right thing done for her. I

just don't understand why a school district has more control over my daughter's

education than I do.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'm devastated and although my friends are

sympathetic, they don't understand. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

, mom to (13) (11) and (7ds)

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Has the suggestion been made before today from other families , that y

ou take a tape recorder into the meeting?

Breeze in with a very easy " you dont mind if we tape this do you?

Thanks " and tape the converstaion.

You may find it helps you .

Aussie Leis- who has changed to Windows Vista and has lost my normal

email sig, and after sorting my tupperware cupboard today could not be

bothered making a new one yet :) but I think I have 4 kidlets and the

eldest happened to be blessed with the extra chrosome thingy :)

Moyers wrote:

> I made the comment that I did not want to continue fighting with them and

that I did not have the unlimited funds the district did to go to court. No one

in that room told me the next step is to go to the superintendent or ask for a

mediation through TEA. I know that the principal is going to come back and say

that " due process " meant following the outlines in the ARD process, but I was

very specific in my comment that I was understanding that " due process " is a due

process hearing.

>

> I know there is an agenda here, I just can't figure out what it is. B

>

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As a matter of fact, I tape every meeting.  I am sure this is the main reason

our principal attends every single meeting. :0)  I am the nicest person until

you mess with my kids, then I try to be clever and smarter than you...sometimes

I don't get it right and am happy to own up to my mistakes.  However, once you

push me too far, I stop following " protocol " , all bets are off.

I do have a facebook and a myspace!!  My facebook is under Moyers and

my myspace is www.myspace.com/redbird99.  I created an album on our group, but

it hasn't been approved yet.  Send me a request!! :0)

  Moyers

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From: Leis <lisa@...>

Moyers <jendmoyers@...>

Cc: Patty Derdzinski <pderdzinski@...>; ; Kathy

sen <northnr@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:19:40 AM

Subject: Re: I lost

I dont feel the need to use it here in Oz, but the suggestion hasbeen made

before today from other families , that y ou take a tape recorder into the

meeting.

Breeze in with a very easy  " you dont mind if we tape this do you? Thanks "   and

tape the converstaion.

You may find it helps you .

Aussie Leis- who has changed to Windows Vista and has lost my normal email sig,

and after sorting my tupperware cupboard today could not be bothered making a

new one yet :) but I think I have 4 kidlets and the eldest happened to be

blessed with the extra chrosome thingy :)

Moyers wrote:

I know that the principal is going to come back and say that " due process "

meant following the outlines in the ARD process, but I was very specific in my

comment that I was understanding that " due process " is a due process hearing.

I know there is an agenda here, I just can't figure out what it is.  But thanks

to you, all of you, I was able to get my head back on straight and realize that

this is not over.

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