Reading Program

[Guest guest]

None of my children had much in the way of a " reading program " throughout

school. But I did! We made trips to the library once a week; we bought books

and had a good bookshelf to put them on; we subscribed to magazines,

including children's and teen's magazines; we read aloud to each other.

If we want our children to read, then we parents must read and show them how

it's done.

granny

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM, blaise_25053 <blaise_25053@...>wrote:

>

>

> I have a question. What are your kids in the upper grades (Middle/Jr. and

> High School) doing for Reading? I just had a meeting at school and the

> reading is just occasional hit and miss as with holiday stories and such. I

> just feel so defeated since we entered middle school and now high school.

> Just sweep the floors and clean a few tables and your good to go. Sorry just

> needed to vent a little too.

> Thanks,

> Barb mom to (16ds)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You go Granny! Of course we parents have a responsibility to teach our children.

That's why I purchased the book, " Teaching Reading to Children with Down

Syndrome " , when was in Kindergarten. After I (note I, me, myself) him

over two hundred sight words I needed to get him away from a sped teacher who

was taking the credit but not teaching. Finally got him in with another teacher

and he did well. Also he read books and school and took tests for the

Accelerated Reading Program. Lots of reading. Then we entered middle school.

There's alot of history here. I confess we could do more reading at home. But

that doesn't change the fact that they have a responsibility too.

Barb (mom to 16ds)

>

>

> I have a question. What are your kids in the upper grades (Middle/Jr. and

> High School) doing for Reading? I just had a meeting at school and the

> reading is just occasional hit and miss as with holiday stories and such. I

> just feel so defeated since we entered middle school and now high school.

> Just sweep the floors and clean a few tables and your good to go. Sorry just

> needed to vent a little too.

> Thanks,

> Barb mom to (16ds)

>

>

>

--

Not for ourselves but for the whole world we were born

[Guest guest]

All I ever expected schools to do is assist me in educating my children.

Teachers are underpaid, overworked and have to deal with classes too large

to do justice to the education of the students. It's up to the parents to

educate their children, and it's no accident that home-schooled students do

so well. Even winning the National Spellling Bee.

granny

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Barb Dillon <blaise_25053@...> wrote:

> You go Granny! Of course we parents have a responsibility to teach our

> children. That's why I purchased the book, " Teaching Reading to Children

> with Down Syndrome " , when was in Kindergarten. After I (note I, me,

> myself) him over two hundred sight words I needed to get him away from a

> sped teacher who was taking the credit but not teaching. Finally got him in

> with another teacher and he did well. Also he read books and school and took

> tests for the Accelerated Reading Program. Lots of reading. Then we entered

> middle school. There's alot of history here. I confess we could do more

> reading at home. But that doesn't change the fact that they have a

> responsibility too.

> Barb (mom to 16ds)

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I have a question. What are your kids in the upper grades (Middle/Jr. and

> > High School) doing for Reading? I just had a meeting at school and the

> > reading is just occasional hit and miss as with holiday stories and such.

> I

> > just feel so defeated since we entered middle school and now high school.

> > Just sweep the floors and clean a few tables and your good to go. Sorry

> just

> > needed to vent a little too.

> > Thanks,

> > Barb mom to (16ds)

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Not for ourselves but for the whole world we were born

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add, Nic does the Edmark on the computer, the book version would

be way too boring for him.

He is very good at using a computer, I think that's why he has so much success

with it.

Di

Reading Program

> I have a question. What are your kids in the upper grades

(Middle/Jr. and High School) doing for Reading? I just had a meeting at school

and the reading is just occasional hit and miss as with holiday stories and

such. I just feel so defeated since we entered middle school and now high

school. Just sweep the floors and clean a few tables and your good to go. Sorry

just needed to vent a little too.

> Thanks,

> Barb mom to (16ds)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm a great believer in phonics, as well. If the school was teaching it at

the time one or more of my children were in school, then I taught it to

them.

granny

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:40 PM, <JB66111@...> wrote:

>

>

> started reading sight words when he was 2, starting himself

> and then we worked with him. Then he started Montessori preschool at 3 and

> they used phonics, he learned quickly . He never learned a lot of rules

> for phonics, it all just came naturally to him, much easier that having to

> learn huge numbers of sight words. He learned spelling easily too. Now as

> an

> adult he reads books that he is interested in and subscribes to magazines,

> one about Ireland and one on Lighthouses. He got several cooking magazines

> for a long time but isn't as much interested in those anymore. I'm a great

> believer in phonics. Jessie

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[Guest guest]

Jessie,

I am a great believer in phonics, too!

As I said before, Jasmine's Middle School teacher used the Edmark sight

word system to teach her some basic reading. Her High School teacher this

year has been teaching her some phonics to sound out new words she does not

know in the SRA reading system she's using. While I'm not thrilled with the

SRA system, it is teaching her a lot of new words. I introduced her teacher

to the book Teaching Reading to Children With Down Syndrome, and she is

going to use it next year. The phonics system in it is good.

Toni

In a message dated 5/17/2009 7:21:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

gem.bordages@... writes:

I'm a great believer in phonics, as well. If the school was teaching it at

the time one or more of my children were in school, then I taught it to

them.

granny

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:40 PM, <_JB66111@..._

(mailto:JB66111@...) > wrote:

>

>

> started reading sight words when he was 2, starting himself

> and then we worked with him. Then he started Montessori preschool at 3

and

> they used phonics, he learned quickly . He never learned a lot of rules

> for phonics, it all just came naturally to him, much easier that having

to

> learn huge numbers of sight words. He learned spelling easily too. Now as

> an

> adult he reads books that he is interested in and subscribes to

magazines,

> one about Ireland and one on Lighthouses. He got several cooking

magazines

> for a long time but isn't as much interested in those anymore. I'm a

great

> believer in phonics. Jessie

>

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[Guest guest]

My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for her

grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What law is there to

support this issue anuome know?

Loree

[Guest guest]

Sadly, it is my understanding that they cannot write a specific

curriculum into an IEP. I have heard this from team members and other

parents (particularly my friend who finally homeschooled her daughter

because the school refused to use the program that the family had

purchased and found effective for their daughter's dyslexia.)

What you are supposed to do is get the characteristics of the program

that you want, and then get everyone to agree (and have it written into

the IEP) that " student " needs " such and such " and " such and such " and

" such and such " types of teaching.... basically, come up with the

characteristics so that the program she wants is the only one that

fits... does that make sense? Of course, you have to know a lot about

the program you want, and the others (that you don't want) but I'd guess

you could get a lot of that info online.

I have not done this with curriculum, but have with teachers.

" needs a teacher who is soft spoken. " responds well

to teachers who do music in the classroom, and this allows her to

interact with her typical peers in a non-academic setting and offers the

opportunity to be successful. is most successful when in a

classroom setting that has considerable structure and routine, yet not

so rigid that she will be considered a behavior problem. Can't remember

exactly what I wrote, but there was only one teacher who met those criteria!

, mom to (15) (13 DS) and Sammy (11)

On 4/20/2011 12:34 PM, Loree5@... wrote:

>

> My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for

> her grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What

> law is there to support this issue anuome know?

>

> Loree

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe.

" The Office of Special Education Programs which is part of the Department

of Education put in the Federal Register on Monday August 14, 2006 on Page

466665 " The Departments longstanding position on including instructional

methodologies in a child's IEP is that it is an IEP Team's decision.

Therefore if an IEP team determines that specific instructional methods are

necessary for the child to receive a FAPE (free appropriate public

education), the instructional methods may be addressed in the IEP. "

Additional OSEP guidance is in the commentary to IDEA (about halfway down

the page)

http://www.rec9nm.org/webapps/legal/usdoecomments/iep_specialeducation_us300

..320a4p.html and in the article here

http://www.articlealley.com/article_519673_27.html

Judi

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Loree5@...

Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:35 PM

NEHolroyd@...;

Subject: Re: reading program

My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for her

grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What law is

there to support this issue anuome know?

Loree

[Guest guest]

I believe is right. I have done what she said....make her needs be what

that teacher or service would fit. Also if you don't get it in the IEP, don't

give up. Take your reasons for wanting the particular curriculum to the

teacher. Sometimes, they can pick their own and will listen to what you have to

say.

Re: reading program

Sadly, it is my understanding that they cannot write a specific

curriculum into an IEP. I have heard this from team members and other

parents (particularly my friend who finally homeschooled her daughter

because the school refused to use the program that the family had

purchased and found effective for their daughter's dyslexia.)

What you are supposed to do is get the characteristics of the program

that you want, and then get everyone to agree (and have it written into

the IEP) that " student " needs " such and such " and " such and such " and

" such and such " types of teaching.... basically, come up with the

characteristics so that the program she wants is the only one that

fits... does that make sense? Of course, you have to know a lot about

the program you want, and the others (that you don't want) but I'd guess

you could get a lot of that info online.

I have not done this with curriculum, but have with teachers.

" needs a teacher who is soft spoken. " responds well

to teachers who do music in the classroom, and this allows her to

interact with her typical peers in a non-academic setting and offers the

opportunity to be successful. is most successful when in a

classroom setting that has considerable structure and routine, yet not

so rigid that she will be considered a behavior problem. Can't remember

exactly what I wrote, but there was only one teacher who met those criteria!

, mom to (15) (13 DS) and Sammy (11)

On 4/20/2011 12:34 PM, Loree5@... wrote:

>

> My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for

> her grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What

> law is there to support this issue anuome know?

>

> Loree

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is worth a good old college try lol!  This poor kid has not been receiving

ANYTHING to help him.  He has been in a remedial reading program since first

grade and he is going into sixth and is reading at a second grade level.  NOT

acceptable.  Besides which of course everything else is in the toilet because

he CAN'T read.  If it were me I would go for a due process because they have

NOT supplied him with an appropriate education.  How could they not know he was

not improving.  I would go for compensatory services but she just doesn't have

the money.  Me I would mortgage my home but that is just me lol!!  I hate

these districts and what they get away with it is horrendous.

They have in her IEP that she and her grandson were suppose to be trained in a

program they were going to start using in March and they haven't done anything

yet.  I told her to document EVerything because she has some case and I think

it is going to eventually HAVE to go to due process in order to get this kid

anything.  I am going to her CSE meeting on May 2nd.  Went last year and they

tried to tell her that an inclusion classroom  (which her grandson was in)was

one in which a consultant teacher came into the classroom for two hours to work

with the kids. (But pulled them out) I said " Your kidding right? "   The head

SPED looked at me and said " What do you mean? "   I said " You have to have a full

time SPED teacher working alongside the GEN ED teacher for it to be an inclusion

classroom "   SPED idiot said " well that's our model of an inclusion classroom "  

I said " you can't make your own model of an inclusion classroom you have to

follow the law and you are also breaking it by having a consultant teacher

taking a child OUT of the classroom to work with them when by law a consultant

teacher is specifically hired to keep SPED kids IN the gen ed setting. "

The special ed teacher was loving it.  Smiling and shaking her head slightly

yes.  The SPED head said " Oh well we are having a sped teacher full time next

year. "   I said " oh that's nice but this year you were not following the laws

AND you have let this child slip throufgh every crack imaginable "   They all

swallowed hard and we went from there.  After the meeting they called my sister

two days later to offer the kid a summer reading program that she hadn't been

avble to get him into which was also a waste of time.  Hopefully we can get

something going for this kid.  We talked with a SPED treacher who now trains

teachers in appropirate reading programs for school districts and she

recommended the SRA program, which is the same one that I came up with after

research and talking to a few friends in the know. So my sis bought the program

and this specialist is going to help he to use it and we want the school

district to continue it next year.  We will see.  I don't have enough fighting

my own district.  It just got good here with us and now I have to start with

hers lol!!!  Thanks Judi we will see what we will see.

 

Loree

Re: reading program

 

 

My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for her

grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What law is there to

support this issue anuome know?

Loree

[Guest guest]

There’s also a state complaint process that might clear the air (and might

find that compensatory services are required). If the IEP specifies that the

training was to have occurred by March, then that would be an issue for a state

complaint. She should also ask about the training first to see if they, like,

forgot to do it (and maybe ask even then for compensatory if it should already

have been done). Parents can also request that the district mediate with them if

there are problems, but that can be dicey since it rests on a mutual good faith

effort and sometimes that doesn’t exist.

A key point in the IEP discuss might be what are they doing now to help him

learn to read and is it working? If not, a discussion of method becomes

“appropriate.â€

Judi

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Loree5@...

Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:13 AM

FireRose@...; NEHolroyd@...;

Subject: RE: reading program

This is worth a good old college try lol! This poor kid has not been receiving

ANYTHING to help him. He has been in a remedial reading program since first

grade and he is going into sixth and is reading at a second grade level. NOT

acceptable. Besides which of course everything else is in the toilet because he

CAN'T read. If it were me I would go for a due process because they have NOT

supplied him with an appropriate education. How could they not know he was not

improving. I would go for compensatory services but she just doesn't have the

money. Me I would mortgage my home but that is just me lol!! I hate these

districts and what they get away with it is horrendous.

They have in her IEP that she and her grandson were suppose to be trained in a

program they were going to start using in March and they haven't done anything

yet. I told her to document EVerything because she has some case and I think it

is going to eventually HAVE to go to due process in order to get this kid

anything. I am going to her CSE meeting on May 2nd. Went last year and they

tried to tell her that an inclusion classroom (which her grandson was in)was

one in which a consultant teacher came into the classroom for two hours to work

with the kids. (But pulled them out) I said " Your kidding right? " The head SPED

looked at me and said " What do you mean? " I said " You have to have a full time

SPED teacher working alongside the GEN ED teacher for it to be an inclusion

classroom " SPED idiot said " well that's our model of an inclusion classroom " I

said " you can't make your own model of an inclusion classroom you have to follow

the law and you are also breaking it by having a consultant teacher taking a

child OUT of the classroom to work with them when by law a consultant teacher is

specifically hired to keep SPED kids IN the gen ed setting. "

The special ed teacher was loving it. Smiling and shaking her head slightly

yes. The SPED head said " Oh well we are having a sped teacher full time next

year. " I said " oh that's nice but this year you were not following the laws AND

you have let this child slip throufgh every crack imaginable " They all

swallowed hard and we went from there. After the meeting they called my sister

two days later to offer the kid a summer reading program that she hadn't been

avble to get him into which was also a waste of time. Hopefully we can get

something going for this kid. We talked with a SPED treacher who now trains

teachers in appropirate reading programs for school districts and she

recommended the SRA program, which is the same one that I came up with after

research and talking to a few friends in the know. So my sis bought the program

and this specialist is going to help he to use it and we want the school

district to continue it next year. We will see. I don't have enough fighting

my own district. It just got good here with us and now I have to start with

hers lol!!! Thanks Judi we will see what we will see.

Loree

Re: reading program

My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for her

grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What law is there to

support this issue anuome know?

Loree

[Guest guest]

You certainly CAN! And I have in the past. So go for it and don't let them

tell you no. :-)

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On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM, FireRose <FireRose@...> wrote:

>

>

> Maybe.

>

> " The Office of Special Education Programs which is part of the Department

> of Education put in the Federal Register on Monday August 14, 2006 on Page

> 466665 " The Departments longstanding position on including instructional

> methodologies in a child's IEP is that it is an IEP Team's decision.

> Therefore if an IEP team determines that specific instructional methods are

> necessary for the child to receive a FAPE (free appropriate public

> education), the instructional methods may be addressed in the IEP. "

>

> Additional OSEP guidance is in the commentary to IDEA (about halfway down

> the page)

>

> http://www.rec9nm.org/webapps/legal/usdoecomments/iep_specialeducation_us300

> .320a4p.html and in the article here

> http://www.articlealley.com/article_519673_27.html

>

> Judi

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf

> Of Loree5@...

> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:35 PM

> NEHolroyd@...;

> Subject: Re: reading program

>

>

> My sister is trying to get a specific reading program into her IEP for her

> grandson and the school is telling her they don't do that.? What law is

> there to support this issue anuome know?

>

> Loree

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately.. that is true.. you are not allowed to put the NAME of a certain

program into your IEPs.. somehow we always got around it with .. " sight reading

program for the computer " or a " math program that uses touching " .