Suggestion

January 9, 2009

Yeah...I'm not saying not to do these things... Millions of people continued to

die...agent organge.... pellet bombs... napalm.... we had to demonstrate.. for

years and and years.. This is a link to the speech Dr. Luther King gave

when he publicly came out against the war in Viet Nam...

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet/riversidetranscript.html

It is not one they play on the radio and tv... it is very educational.. and

enlightening...everyone should read it... it is also a speech about love...

Luther King was much more then they let us know.. .In this speech he

calls for universal love not just a secular love of ones family or nation and he

makes this call on behalf of our survival... it;s very interesting... quite a

landmark of the 60's ... he gave the speech in 1967 and was killed about 6

months later...

>

> My father took me to anti vietnam war policy demonstratiions

> starting in 1963 when I was twelve.. that war went on almost

> another 10 years so don't count on anything that you do to

> change anything in the big picture

The anti-Vietnam protests may not have ended the war but they

definitely changed the world, permanently. We live in a very different

world now and those protests instigated a large amount of change -- in

some cases, unforseen and unintentional change.

Everything you do has an effect, even if it's not the effect you intended.

Sparrow

January 9, 2009

Oh another one

From: O' Conchubair

<RNMSW@...>Subject: SuggestionTo:

@...: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 PMDrudge!

ROFLM_OObama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend our

way into prosperity " & " print more money " All on Drudge

report yesterday. Might interpret that to mean depression II and I'm

planting my garden

January 9, 2009

, google Drudge and see what it is. Drudge does not preach

anything. He simply reports the news from several different sources. The

quote here from O'Conchubair was taken from the text of Obamba speech. I

am much like you. I am 75 years old and I planted my first garden in 1943

when Presdent Roosevelt said we should grow our own food to help the war

effort. I have had a garden everywhere I've lived, even when I was

stationed in Korea in 1954. I have always believed that people should

garden because the food is better that what you can buy unless you buy it

from a small organc farmer. Yes, plant, even if its between your rose

bushes. You'll get hooked

ew

Suggestion

Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 PM

Drudge! ROFLM_O

Obama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend our way into

prosperity " &

" print more money " All on Drudge report yesterday. Might interpret

that to

mean depression II and I'm planting my garden

January 9, 2009

Jeff, I disagree. Who Drudge is is not what the Drudge report is. The Drudge

Report is a digest of news stories from newspapers, magazines and TV News around

the world. Some is not worth bothering with, but some is.

ew

> SuggestionTo:

> @...: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40

> PMDrudge! ROFLM_OObama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend

> our way into prosperity " & " print more money " All on Drudge report

> yesterday. Might interpret that to mean depression II and I'm planting

> my garden

January 9, 2009

I googled Drudge...lots of politics there... they have listings of lots of

different commentators from the full spectrum... but nothing about sprouting,

fermenting, dehydrating or juicing... I read the NY Times and look at the

articles on ... I run an online business and I don't have time for much

more... I enjoy this message board.. I like listiening in and commenting once in

a while... I get ideas here and links to good stuff... I might join that

container gardening ,message board... I have a kombucha message board but there

isn't much action going on there.. I don't have the time for this drudge stuff

From: O' Conchubair <RNMSWbellsouth (DOT) net>

Subject: Suggestion

Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 PM

Drudge! ROFLM_O

Obama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend our way into

prosperity " &

" print more money " All on Drudge report yesterday. Might interpret

that to

mean depression II and I'm planting my garden

January 9, 2009

Almost all news is negative,positivity does not sell and news is entertainment.

@...: 99tomatoes@...: Fri, 9 Jan

2009 19:50:47 -0800Subject: RE: Suggestion

Jeff, I disagree. Who Drudge is is not what the Drudge report is. The Drudge

Report is a digest of news stories from newspapers, magazines and TV News around

the world. Some is not worth bothering with, but some is.ew> ----- Original

Message -----> From: " JEFF JOHNS " <healthnut422@...>> To:

> Subject: RE: Suggestion>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:17:34 -0600> > > > Drudge is a right wing conservative

who makes a living with political > entertainment.Basicaly a waste of ones mind

stream,constant negativity > with egoic flare.> > To:

@...: bacteriapimp@...: Fri, 9 > Jan 2009

15:57:27 -0800Subject: Re: Suggestion> > > > What is a

Drudge report?... listen ... what ever is going to happen is > going to

happen... try to be as smart as you can to take care of > yourself and your

loved ones... My father took me to anti vietnam war > policy demonstratiions

starting in 1963 when I was twelve.. that war > went on almost another 10 years

so don't count on anything that you do > to change anything in the big

picture... but work on yourself and for > your loved ones... that is the change

and the hope for you,, Try to > bring about a higher consciousness for all but

don't expect anything... > don't let some Drudge tell you what to think or do

.... go into things > yourself and think for yourselfFrom: O' Conchubair >

<RNMSW@...>Subject: Suggestion>

@...: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 > PMDrudge!

ROFLM_OObama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend > our way into

prosperity " & " print more money " All on Drudge report > yesterday. Might

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I agree. New to sprouting, I joined this group several weeks ago.

There's been what I feel to be racists posts, stuff about Vietnam, and

now *this* drudgery. Little useful information or recipes thus far,

imo. I'm looking for other groups to join. I do get a lot of useful

information out of BacteriaPimp's site. (I would also adore hearing

more about EW's experience as a victory gardener and with having a

war/conflict garden in Korea, but am not sure this is the right forum

for that.)

Ssooo, maybe I can re-focus by posting a few sprout questions. I tried

sprouting mung beans, lentils, split peas, and black eyed peas. First

three were wildly successful (my first batch and very exciting!) but

nothing ever happened with the bl. eyed peas. Anyone have any

suggestions? I just did them the same way I did the others. Started

them Tues., today's Sat. And of course, that's the one I really needed

b/c I wanted to try the recipe for bl. eyed pea sprouts and massaged

collard greens I think was posted here.

Also, I'm kind of confused about something. Do I just go to the store

and buy organic beans and legumes and sprout them, or do I buy organic

sprouting seeds online? If I can do both, I would imagine it's

cheaper and more efficient with less packaging to buy seeds? Must

they specifically be seeds designed for sprouting? That's probably a

stupid question. I mean, *all* seeds sprout, but can I sprout, as an

example, my organic heirloom beet seeds? I think beet sprouts would

be yummy!

>

> From: O' Conchubair <RNMSWbellsouth (DOT) net>

> Subject: Suggestion

>

> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 PM

>

> Drudge! ROFLM_O

>

> Obama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend our way into

> prosperity " &

> " print more money " All on Drudge report yesterday. Might interpret

> that to

> mean depression II and I'm planting my garden

>

January 10, 2009

>Ssooo, maybe I can re-focus by posting a few sprout questions. I tried

>sprouting mung beans, lentils, split peas, and black eyed peas.

Really? Split peas? I thought they wouldn't sprout, maybe I don't know

exactly what " split " means. Aren't they broken in half? What do they taste

like sprouted?

>Also, I'm kind of confused about something. Do I just go to the store

>and buy organic beans and legumes and sprout them, or do I buy organic

>sprouting seeds online?

I buy organic seeds and grains at a small grain store here, they aren't

special " sprouting " seeds and they do just fine.

>but can I sprout, as an example, my organic heirloom beet seeds? I think

beet sprouts would

>be yummy!

I'll bet they would be yummy, if you try these, let me know! I don't have

any to try.

Lorri

January 10, 2009

Sometimes we get off on side paths, but it is usually interesting. I am

surprised that you got split peas to germinate. Split peas are peas that

are damaged during processing and package for soup. Usually the germ is

damaged and they won't grow. The black eyed peas (actually they are a

bean) should have worked for you. The problem could have been how they

were handled by the processor. If they got too hot, it would kill the

germ. None of these seeds were meant to be sprouted. They were package

for people to cook them. Its best to buy seeds that are specified for

sprouting. Beet sprout would indeed be yummy. I see the word heirloom,

which tells me that you are probably talking about seeds package for the

garden. That can be very expensive. The only place that I have found to

by beet seed for sprouting is and catalog. Even then the

price per pound is quite high. Plant your beets in the garden and enjoy

the greens and the roots. Now that's yummy! PS: a beet seed is really a

seed pod which can have as many as five seeds in it. When I plant them in

the garden, I plant the pods about 4 inches apart and then with tweezers,

very carefully thin them out. The thinned out ones go into the salad.

ew

Suggestion

>

> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 6:40 PM

>

> Drudge! ROFLM_O

>

> Obama said: " 600,000 new government jobs " " spend our way into

> prosperity " &

> " print more money " All on Drudge report yesterday. Might interpret

> that to

> mean depression II and I'm planting my garden

>

January 10, 2009

You can get tons and I mean tons of info about sprouting and can buy

seeds grown specifically for sprouting from Sproutpeople.com Most of

what they have is organic. I just got my yearly order in and am thrilled

to pieces. Fantastic quality.

On EW recommendation I got the Freshlife Automatic Sprouter and I must

say, I feel like a queen. I have been sprouting since I was a hippie and

this is the faster, easier way to go with the best batches I have ever

had. Even though my first Freshlife did not work well, they replace the

innards and it is working great now. Vitality Plus has good prices and

sometime you can get a lower quote from them by querying for a price

quote on their website.

I just did a batch of mung beans in just a few days and they are

incredible. By covering the sprouter with a felt like material and

completely cutting off the light, they were thick, tall, and white an

sweet. Oh yummy,I can't wait for the next meal to stirfry.

Thanks for bring up the sprouting question.

Yes, we do occasionally get off topic, but someone usually shows up to

steer us back to sprouting. Thankfully, this time it was you!

Diane

January 10, 2009

Another thing about the FreshLife is that it maintains a temperature

that the sprouts need. Right now its too cold in my kitchen to use the

EasySprout, but tomorrow I'm harvesting a big batch of sprouts and

starting another from the machine.

ew

Re: Suggestion

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:54:42 -0700

You can get tons and I mean tons of info about sprouting and can buy

seeds grown specifically for sprouting from Sproutpeople.com Most of

what they have is organic. I just got my yearly order in and am

thrilled

to pieces. Fantastic quality.

On EW recommendation I got the Freshlife Automatic Sprouter and I

must

say, I feel like a queen. I have been sprouting since I was a hippie

and

this is the faster, easier way to go with the best batches I have

ever

had. Even though my first Freshlife did not work well, they replace

the

innards and it is working great now. Vitality Plus has good prices

and

sometime you can get a lower quote from them by querying for a price

quote on their website.

I just did a batch of mung beans in just a few days and they are

incredible. By covering the sprouter with a felt like material and

completely cutting off the light, they were thick, tall, and white an

sweet. Oh yummy,I can't wait for the next meal to stirfry.

Thanks for bring up the sprouting question.

Yes, we do occasionally get off topic, but someone usually shows up

to

steer us back to sprouting. Thankfully, this time it was you!

Diane

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January 14, 2009

Barbara, sorry it took so long to answer this. I lost my file and had to

get a new one. The is one community garden in Pasadena and its at Oakland

and Maple. I don't where that is in relation to you. The contact person

is Terry and his number is 626-796-6878. If this doesn't work for

you, send me your location privately and tell you what's closest to you.

ew

Suggestion

Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:36 PM

After listening to Obama's speech today, I would like to suggest to

everyone that they plant a garden. The more you feed yourself, the

less

you have to depend on someone else who just might not be dependable.

And,

yes, keep on sprouting and experimenting with new recipes. You are in

charge of your health.

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Adrienne, it was just an overall feeling that I got that suggested that

he doesn't have a handle on it yet and things are going to be rough.

ew

Suggestion

Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:36 PM

After listening to Obama's speech today, I would like to suggest to

everyone that they plant a garden. The more you feed yourself, the

less

you have to depend on someone else who just might not be dependable.

And,

yes, keep on sprouting and experimenting with new recipes. You are in

charge of your health.

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I think it is a very good idea to keep a supply of sprout seeds to

store. Things could possibly get very bad in grocery stores before it

gets better. Sprouts give you fresh vegetable nutrition year round. It

is also safe from neighbors who help themselves to your garden

especially in town, and in apartments. We have garden plots by our

apt. building, and some neighbors are too lazy to grow their own.

Anyway, I am grateful for sprouts.

Stay warm everyone. We had -40 windchill this morning.

Phyllis

January 16, 2009

I agree with you! But I have a question, what are the most nutritious sprouts?

I've

sprouted clover, lentils, mung beans; but what I've found is that I don't like

the lentils and

beans as much. If they are more nutritious than I'll keep eating them but if not

then I'll

stick with the clover.

Lorri

>

> I think it is a very good idea to keep a supply of sprout seeds to

> store. Things could possibly get very bad in grocery stores before it

> gets better. Sprouts give you fresh vegetable nutrition year round. It

> is also safe from neighbors who help themselves to your garden

> especially in town, and in apartments. We have garden plots by our

> apt. building, and some neighbors are too lazy to grow their own.

>

> Anyway, I am grateful for sprouts.

>

> Stay warm everyone. We had -40 windchill this morning.

>

> Phyllis

>

January 16, 2009

Most experts agree that broccoli is the most nutritious, but really they

all are nutritious.

ew

Re: Suggestion

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:02:11 -0000

I agree with you! But I have a question, what are the most nutritious

sprouts? I've

sprouted clover, lentils, mung beans; but what I've found is that I

don't like the lentils and

beans as much. If they are more nutritious than I'll keep eating them

but if not then I'll

stick with the clover.

Lorri

>

> I think it is a very good idea to keep a supply of sprout seeds to

> store. Things could possibly get very bad in grocery stores before

it

> gets better. Sprouts give you fresh vegetable nutrition year round.

It

> is also safe from neighbors who help themselves to your garden

> especially in town, and in apartments. We have garden plots by our

> apt. building, and some neighbors are too lazy to grow their own.

>

> Anyway, I am grateful for sprouts.

>

> Stay warm everyone. We had -40 windchill this morning.

>

> Phyllis

>

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January 19, 2009

The overall tone of the speech made me feel as though things are going

to get more desperate and that we all need to buckle down. Planting a

garden is one way that we can help ourselves. Victory gardens worked in

WWII and they will work again.

ew

Re: Suggestion

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 01:57:36 -0500

Me too.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Adrienne o <artnuwa11@...>wrote:

>

> I am real curious to what Obama said that spurred that suggestion.

>

> After listening to Obama's speech today, I would like to suggest to

> everyone that they plant a garden. The more you feed yourself, the

less

> you have to depend on someone else who just might not be

dependable. And,

> yes, keep on sprouting and experimenting with new recipes. You are

in

> charge of your health.

> ew

>

> --

>

January 20, 2009

Ernest;

Even an imperial president would not be able save this country from

the economic mistakes that we have made over the past generation, the

president simply does not have the power and the economy is in too

bad of shape. So the answer is to do for yourself.

Lee

" Ere long the most valuable of all arts will be the art of deriving

subsistence from the smallest area of soil. No community whose every

member possesses this art can ever be the victim of oppression in any

of its forms. Such community will alike be independent of crowned

kings, money kings, and land kings.”

Abraham Lincoln, address before the Wisconsin State Agricultural

Society, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, September 30, 1859

" I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense

of taking care of them. " - Jefferson

On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ernest Willingham wrote:

> The overall tone of the speech made me feel as though things are going

> to get more desperate and that we all need to buckle down. Planting a

> garden is one way that we can help ourselves. Victory gardens

> worked in

> WWII and they will work again.

> ew

January 20, 2009

I am very pleased to sit down at a dinner table and everything on the table was

grown or processed by me. A lesson that I passed on to my children. They all

worked the garden with me and learned well. Today my children have grown and

moved away and my grandchildren are too far away, so I volunteer at a local CSA

youth farm teaching young people how to grow their own. Hopefully I'm doing my

part. That's why I spend so much time on the group site. I am pretty much a born

teacher. I went to college to become a teacher, but my hearing problems kept me

from achieving that goal. Thank you for the quotes, Lee, they are quite

meaningful.

ew

> Re: Suggestion

> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:02:32 -0500

>

> Ernest;

> Even an imperial president would not be able save this country from

> the economic mistakes that we have made over the past generation, the

> president simply does not have the power and the economy is in too

> bad of shape. So the answer is to do for yourself.

> Lee

>

> " Ere long the most valuable of all arts will be the art of deriving

> subsistence from the smallest area of soil. No community whose every

> member possesses this art can ever be the victim of oppression in any

> of its forms. Such community will alike be independent of crowned

> kings, money kings, and land kings.”

>

> Abraham Lincoln, address before the Wisconsin State Agricultural

> Society, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, September 30, 1859

>

> " I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

> government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense

> of taking care of them. " - Jefferson

>

> On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ernest Willingham wrote:

>

> > The overall tone of the speech made me feel as though things are going

> > to get more desperate and that we all need to buckle down. Planting a

> > garden is one way that we can help ourselves. Victory gardens worked in

> > WWII and they will work again.

> > ew

>

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In a message dated 1/8/2009 9:36:38 PM Central Standard Time,

99tomatoes@... writes:

> ...After listening to Obama's speech today, I would like to suggest to

> everyone that they plant a garden. The more you feed yourself, the less

> you have to depend on someone else who just might not be dependable. ....

People in my neighborhood all spray their lawns with chemicals, so I feel

it's too contaminated to grow a garden. I wish I could. One year, I grew

a garden in containers on my in-laws' porch up here (figuring the chemical

sprays wouldn't get up here too much). It worked great! I highly

recommend container gardening (especially up off the ground). It keeps

animals away (squirrels bite my Mom's tomatoes in her garden and rabbits

eat the rest), and it also keeps away a lot of the bugs, etc that eat the

plants. I did have aphids that year, but found online a fix for that, which

was something like molasses, vinegar, and ?? I can't remember.

For now, the only growing I can do is sprouting. Other than that, I just

shop at my local co-op and buy all organic things, when I can

afford it. We need to support good places like that and help keep them

in business.

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, talk to your neighbors about switching to organic sprays.

Organic sprays on today's market, all just as good as the nasty

chemicals. Check out a company called 'Gardens Alive!'. Go on line and

ask for their catalog.

ew

Re: Suggestion

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:35:22 EST

In a message dated 1/8/2009 9:36:38 PM Central Standard Time,

99tomatoes@... writes:

> ...After listening to Obama's speech today, I would like to suggest

to

> everyone that they plant a garden. The more you feed yourself, the

less

> you have to depend on someone else who just might not be

dependable. ....

People in my neighborhood all spray their lawns with chemicals, so I

feel

it's too contaminated to grow a garden. I wish I could. One year, I

grew

a garden in containers on my in-laws' porch up here (figuring the

chemical

sprays wouldn't get up here too much). It worked great! I highly

recommend container gardening (especially up off the ground). It

keeps

animals away (squirrels bite my Mom's tomatoes in her garden and

rabbits

eat the rest), and it also keeps away a lot of the bugs, etc that eat

the

plants. I did have aphids that year, but found online a fix for that,

which

was something like molasses, vinegar, and ?? I can't remember.

For now, the only growing I can do is sprouting. Other than that, I

just

shop at my local co-op and buy all organic things, when I can

afford it. We need to support good places like that and help keep

them

in business.

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Hi There, WanaBFIRM,

I thoroughly agree with your opinions about sprays and other nasties. I'm

not sure what you tried, I certainly don't think much of the idea of molasses.

I reckon that'd do more to attract bugs, rather than kill 'em! I'm not even

sure that I'd trust ANY commercial sprays, or perhaps I'm just cynical? For

what it's worth, I have my own 'recipe'. We all know how 'pleasant'the job of

washing-up after dinner can be....NOT! Well, now you can find at least a

smidgin of good in it! Providing that the water's not TOO greasy, or minging

yuckkie, it's a great aphid, etcetera, killer. Add an extra squirt of dish

soapto the water, load it into your sprayer, and go get 'em! Of course, if you

over do it, youmay end up with salami flavoured sprouts, but for all other

plants, the smell seems to vanish almost overnight. Special caution: Don't

neglect to spray your ornamentals as well as your food crops, if you do, you're

just giving the bugs somwewhere to hide and provide a resevoir of infestation.

at least you're out of the reach of dogs!! Best of all...it's free and totally

bio-degradable. If you try it, do let me know if it works on stateside bugs as

well as their UK counterparts.

Be Well,

Doug.

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