Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Hi Hans, you better invest in a Photosonix, Mind Gear or machine, not the European products. The latter are not good enough. Best Uwe Gerlach (light/sound expert since a decade and more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Hans, The Brain Master is a very good, and reasonably priced machine. There are some great protocols for difficulty getting to sleep, as well as for getting back to sleep if your problem is going back to sleep after waking up. I worked with a person with both problems and all is going extremely well now. > Hi, > > I'm new to this group. > > If someone has any experiences using mind-machines or biofeedback > against insomnia, I would be very glad to hear about them. > I'm thinking of investing in a mind activator or mind-machine to see, if > it can help me with my insomnia problems. > > Best wishes, > Hans > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 I've had very good results with C4/SMR for insomnia. > Hi, > > I'm new to this group. > > If someone has any experiences using mind-machines or biofeedback > against insomnia, I would be very glad to hear about them. > I'm thinking of investing in a mind activator or mind-machine to see, if > it can help me with my insomnia problems. > > Best wishes, > Hans > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hans, The key to success in working with insomnia is to know what brain activity is related to it. There are many different patterns of brain activity which result in inability to fall asleep (or to fall back to sleep after awakening in the night), and the effective training differs for each. You can probably work with an AVS system for any of them; you can certainly work with neurofeedback for any. Tell us a little more about the type of problem. PEte -- Insomnia/Mind machine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 , Thank you for showing an interest. I have had insomnia problems, ever since I left school 20 years ago. I have problems falling asleep (not falling back to sleep). The messages in this group are public, I see, and this is a little private and there is much to it. But I think, I can sum it up by saying, that I think and speculate to much. Even when I'm trying not to think of anything, I often lie wide awake. There is something more. I don't know, if I can express it in English, but it's as if I lack some kind of " easy transition " between states of mind. Like from awake to asleep and back. And that goes for other " transitions " as well, e.g. from not-reading a text to reading a text(?). Maybe it sounds peculiar. Hans Insomnia/Mind machine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hans, In the assessment system I teach, we have a category for training that is called Filtering. People whose brain's show this pattern often experience difficulty falling asleep the first time, but can usually fall asleep again if they wake during the night. They often show, especially as children, a tendency to be distracted and have difficulty working in noisy or busy places; they may show impulsiveness in speech or action, saying or doing things before they think--especially in busy or noisy situations. They may have a tendency toward very quick emotional responses, bursts of anger or tears that come very quickly and often pass very quickly. Some of these children, as they grow older and gain greater control in these areas, learn something called hyper-focus. In order to be able to pay attention to a task, they literally shut down all incoming information and " lock on " the thing they are doing. It is difficult and frustrating for them to re-open their attention and shift smoothly to another task. Some of these things sound like what you are describing. If your EEG is showing low levels of Sensory Motor Rhythm in the central strip, which runs across the top of your head from the left to the right ear, then it is very likely training this frequency will make you sleepy and will help your brain shift into sleep more easily. You did not mention anxiety. There has been some work done which showed that people who have high levels of anxiety may not respond as well to this kind of training but will do better with another. If you would prefer to back=channel me, you may do so at pvdadp@.... Pete p.s. You might consider attending one of the trainings I will be doing in Europe in March. I will be in Zurich training March 12-16 and in Bonn March 22-23. If you wish to get more information about either of these, contact: Werner Schlaefli (BrainTrainingSystems@...) for Zurich Guenther Abendroth (DATAKLANG@...) for Bonn RE: Insomnia/Mind machine , Thank you for showing an interest. I have had insomnia problems, ever since I left school 20 years ago. I have problems falling asleep (not falling back to sleep). The messages in this group are public, I see, and this is a little private and there is much to it. But I think, I can sum it up by saying, that I think and speculate to much. Even when I'm trying not to think of anything, I often lie wide awake. There is something more. I don't know, if I can express it in English, but it's as if I lack some kind of " easy transition " between states of mind. Like from awake to asleep and back. And that goes for other " transitions " as well, e.g. from not-reading a text to reading a text(?). Maybe it sounds peculiar. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 - Release Date: 1/7/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Pete said: " You did not mention anxiety. There has been some work done which showed that people who have high levels of anxiety may not respond as well to this kind of training but will do better with another. " What's the other? > Hans, > > In the assessment system I teach, we have a category for training that is > called Filtering. People whose brain's show this pattern often experience > difficulty falling asleep the first time, but can usually fall asleep again > if they wake during the night. They often show, especially as children, a > tendency to be distracted and have difficulty working in noisy or busy > places; they may show impulsiveness in speech or action, saying or doing > things before they think--especially in busy or noisy situations. They may > have a tendency toward very quick emotional responses, bursts of anger or > tears that come very quickly and often pass very quickly. Some of these > children, as they grow older and gain greater control in these areas, learn > something called hyper-focus. In order to be able to pay attention to a > task, they literally shut down all incoming information and " lock on " the > thing they are doing. It is difficult and frustrating for them to re-open > their attention and shift smoothly to another task. > > Some of these things sound like what you are describing. If your EEG is > showing low levels of Sensory Motor Rhythm in the central strip, which runs > across the top of your head from the left to the right ear, then it is very > likely training this frequency will make you sleepy and will help your brain > shift into sleep more easily. > > You did not mention anxiety. There has been some work done which showed > that people who have high levels of anxiety may not respond as well to this > kind of training but will do better with another. > > If you would prefer to back=channel me, you may do so at > pvdadp@m... > > Pete > > p.s. > You might consider attending one of the trainings I will be doing in Europe > in March. I will be in Zurich training March 12-16 and in Bonn March 22-23. > If you wish to get more information about either of these, contact: > > Werner Schlaefli (BrainTrainingSystems@b...) for Zurich > Guenther Abendroth (DATAKLANG@a...) for Bonn > RE: Insomnia/Mind machine > > > , > > Thank you for showing an interest. > > I have had insomnia problems, ever since I left school 20 years ago. I > have problems falling asleep (not falling back to sleep). > The messages in this group are public, I see, and this is a little > private and there is much to it. But I think, I can sum it up by saying, > that I think and speculate to much. Even when I'm trying not to think of > anything, I often lie wide awake. > > There is something more. I don't know, if I can express it in English, > but it's as if I lack some kind of " easy transition " between states of > mind. Like from awake to asleep and back. And that goes for other > " transitions " as well, e.g. from not-reading a text to reading a > text(?). Maybe it sounds peculiar. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 - Release Date: 1/7/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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