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Based on Fred's recommendation I cancelled my order for the HeartMath

and went with the (slightly) more expensive Heart-Tracker. It allows

you to develop specific protocals and individual files for X n of

clients. I'm very satisfied with it. Fifteen minutes of breathing can

have a very lasting impact on your sympathetic/parasympathetic

functioning. I also use it during relaxation training with clients to

monitor their arousal levels.

SDC

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> Mark,

> I have worked with cardiac patents for a nunber of years and one

of their biggest issues is anger and not breathing. I know the folks

at hearth math did some testing on emotions in their earlier days and

discovered some real differences in breathing patterns as a result of

changing emotional state. Extending appreciation toward others is one

of the most positive things we as humans can do. And the old

saying, " What goes around comes around " . It does come back to us and

heals us as well. The folks at heart math have found this to be

their avenue toward influencing HRV. They know and realilze

breathing changes with this effort.

> My approach is to skin the cat from the inside out and change

breathing. Both methods get there. IT would be interesting to see

which one gets you there faster and is more lasting. Heart math is

not into breathing training. They just don't really knowi t. I have

asked this question a number of times. The other company who

developed the other HRV machine (can't remember their name) was very

much into using breathing as the training vehicle. So, two roads to

the same place.

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> I personally don't use HRV a lot. I do train breathing though

with everyone. I have them do their breathing while doing NF and I

can tell immediately if they are doing it properly as their EEG

changes and the scores improve. I might encourage someone to buy the

program HRV as a home trainer and do it at home while watching TV and

see the effect of the TV they are watching on their breathing. I

like to see the training transfer out and getting folks to

incorporate in their daily living is important. Try doing HRV while

playing a computer video game.

> I am interested in Jan's machine and using HRV more as a

concurrent vehicle. Hooking up two or more extraneous machines and

computers is too much for what I do. I may train up to three people

concurrently so it is not really possible.

> The best,

> Rosemary

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> Rosemary:

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> I have a question on HRV. Some folks talk about using breathing,

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> folks at heart math talk about generating feelings of sincere

> appreciation.

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> Could you comment on what instructions you give people when they

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> starting HRV training?

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> Mark

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