RE: Tone training-4 questions

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

From your last post, it sounds like you've figured this out, but here are some

thoughts:

It really makes no difference which band you call the one you are training.

Just pick either SMR or Alpha and define the frequencies as you wish.

The only frequency definitions that make any difference are the ones you are

using in the training. The theta band looks fine, and the SMR is the one you

are re-defining. You are inhibiting beta, which may work for you. I usually

look for high-beta at T3/T4, because there is often a large differential there

between left and right temporal lobes. At C3/C4, you may have excessive beta,

so inhibiting it may make sense.

In terms of when I use the T's vs. the C's, the answer would be " when it works

better " . Many Tone problems respond very well to T3/T4, but some don't seem

to budge. If that happens, then I'd try C3/C4.

Keep up the good work!

Pete

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:25:22 -0000 lmqh28 <lmh28@...> wrote:

> Please help!  I've been training tone

> using C3/C4/A1 at 12-15 hz. I

> want to move down to 11-14 hz. or lower. In the

> Advanced setup do I

> keep choosing the SMR band or do I choose the

> alpha band as I go down

> lower?

> Also, do I have the settings correct?

>           

> delta 1-2.5

>    inhibit theta 2.5-6.5

>           

> alpha 7-11

> reinforce lobeta 11-14

>     inhibit beta 15-20

>

> Is the T3/T4/A1 protocol set up exactly the

> same as C3/C4/A1?  When

> would you use one instead of the other?

> Thank you!  Lynn

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[Guest guest]

>

> > Please help!  I've been training tone

> > using C3/C4/A1 at 12-15 hz. I

> > want to move down to 11-14 hz. or lower. In the

> > Advanced setup do I

> > keep choosing the SMR band or do I choose the

> > alpha band as I go down

> > lower?

> > Also, do I have the settings correct?

> >           

> > delta 1-2.5

> >    inhibit theta 2.5-6.5

> >           

> > alpha 7-11

> > reinforce lobeta 11-14

> >     inhibit beta 15-20

> >

> > Is the T3/T4/A1 protocol set up exactly the

> > same as C3/C4/A1?  When

> > would you use one instead of the other?

> > Thank you!  Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pete

When U refer to T3/T4 or C3/C4 for tone issue this is monopolar protocol

right?

When Wise is refering to the her Mirror Mind machine which site on

10/20 map was she using? one site, multiple sites?

Is there a way to distinguish trainning with 2 different protocols, ie say

SMR UP, Beta Up, within the same Client id folder. Brainmaster just keeps

add a new sum file but does not remember if it was SMR up or Beta Up without

keeping track of which sum file it was. In short I am looking for the

following,

C:/brainm/studies//smr-up...... all the sum files for using the

smr-up

and

C:/brainm/studies//beta-up...... all the sum files for using the

beta-up

I just seem to get

C:\brainm\studies\james or c:\brainm\studies\smr-up but no way to set up

history of client trainning Smr without keeping track of the sum files that

correspond to the smr-up within the folder.

Sorry about the long winded question.

PS Really enjoying the tread.

Re: Tone training-4 questions

Lynn,

From your last post, it sounds like you've figured this out, but here are

some

thoughts:

It really makes no difference which band you call the one you are training.

Just pick either SMR or Alpha and define the frequencies as you wish.

The only frequency definitions that make any difference are the ones you are

using in the training. The theta band looks fine, and the SMR is the one you

are re-defining. You are inhibiting beta, which may work for you. I usually

look for high-beta at T3/T4, because there is often a large differential

there

between left and right temporal lobes. At C3/C4, you may have excessive

beta,

so inhibiting it may make sense.

In terms of when I use the T's vs. the C's, the answer would be " when it

works

better " . Many Tone problems respond very well to T3/T4, but some don't seem

to budge. If that happens, then I'd try C3/C4.

Keep up the good work!

Pete

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:25:22 -0000 lmqh28 <lmh28@...> wrote:

> Please help! I've been training tone

> using C3/C4/A1 at 12-15 hz. I

> want to move down to 11-14 hz. or lower. In the

> Advanced setup do I

> keep choosing the SMR band or do I choose the

> alpha band as I go down

> lower?

> Also, do I have the settings correct?

>

> delta 1-2.5

> inhibit theta 2.5-6.5

>

> alpha 7-11

> reinforce lobeta 11-14

> inhibit beta 15-20

>

> Is the T3/T4/A1 protocol set up exactly the

> same as C3/C4/A1? When

> would you use one instead of the other?

> Thank you! Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pete:

Have you ever done tone training using c3/4 and t3/4 at the same time?

Mark

[Guest guest]

I loosely inhibit theta and, if there is a relatively high level or surging in

high beta, then I inhibit that as well. I start rewarding 12-15Hz with an adult

and slide the frequency down as far as 8-11, one notch at a time, until I find

something that seems to quiet and release for the client.

Pete

So, Pete, when training Tone T3/T4 you inhibit theta and hibeta and

reinforce SMR?

Thanks again,

[Guest guest]

,

When I give a protocol, I always use a standard for stating them: channel 1

active/channel 1 reference/ground/channel 2 reference/channel 2 active. This

relates to the order in which you would plug leads into a brainmaster, starting

left to right.

I usually don't specifiy the ground, because it can be placed most anywhere.

So when I say T3/T4, I am talking about a bipolar protocol in one channel. T3

is active, T4 is reference. If I were talking about two monopolar protocols, I

would say T3/A1/ground/A2/T4.

I'm not certain where places her leads.

The best way to differentiate your protocols is, as we did at the training, to

create a new ID for each protocol. Set up Beta and define your protocol

for that; then do the same for SMR. Then, when you open a graph for the

Beta sessions, you know they were all done with the same montage and the

same protocol. I even set up different ID's for sites.

My tendency is to use the client's initials, reward and inhibit and site as the

ID. For example, JJTBC3 would be Joyce, Theta/Beta at C3.

Pete

Re: Tone training-4 questions

Pete

When U refer to T3/T4 or C3/C4 for tone issue this is monopolar protocol

right?

When Wise is refering to the her Mirror Mind machine which site on

10/20 map was she using? one site, multiple sites?

Is there a way to distinguish trainning with 2 different protocols, ie say

SMR UP, Beta Up, within the same Client id folder. Brainmaster just keeps

add a new sum file but does not remember if it was SMR up or Beta Up without

keeping track of which sum file it was. In short I am looking for the

following,

C:/brainm/studies//smr-up...... all the sum files for using the

smr-up

and

C:/brainm/studies//beta-up...... all the sum files for using the

beta-up

I just seem to get

C:\brainm\studies\james or c:\brainm\studies\smr-up but no way to set up

history of client trainning Smr without keeping track of the sum files that

correspond to the smr-up within the folder.

Sorry about the long winded question.

[Guest guest]

Yes. I wouldn't start with that, but I've done it further along in training and

it worked very nicely.

Pete

RE: Tone training-4 questions

Pete:

Have you ever done tone training using c3/4 and t3/4 at the same time?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete

Enjoyed your letter on the new Brainmaster update.