Re: Hyperaldosteronism and Secondary Health Impacts

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/07 9:32:06 AM, datawrhsdoc@... writes:

Alkalosis occurs if the

> angiotensin system is troubled. As with hyperaldo or Cushings.

THis ismostly related to low K and to H+ exchange from the blood into the urine as Na in reabsorbed.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

Dr Grim and Uncle Dave:

I am DASHing. But I also take some supplements/vitamins for life

extending purposes, ie not for BP lowering effects.

Dave made a vague statement concerning vitamins/supplements being

alkalosis producing via the angiotensin system (but which Dr Grim

stated is not involved in PA in a previous post) and now Dave states

again in a vague way that most calcium forms of these

vitamins/supplements form salt in serum.

What I am trying to determine is which of the supplements I take might

be doing these things that Dave talks about. I am familiar with the

chemistry involved here and I don't see how what Dave states can be

true. Even if they form up salt in the serum, if the Na is not from an

exogenous source, then I don't see what the problems would be.

That was all i was trying to determine. I just thought Dave might have

a list.

h

> > > > I learned along the way that isolated nutrients (vitamins, and

> > > > especially minerals) stimulate the adrenals in ways decidedly

> > > unhelpful

> > > > to PA pts. In fact, people with too much aldo may create or

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> > > > alkalosis when using most supplements.

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> > > Do you have a list of these vitamins, and especially minerals?

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> > > What about the ones that cause alkalosis?

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> > > Thanks,

> > > h Brueschke

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> May your pressure be low!

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> Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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[Guest guest]

Interesting...

I had a suspicion that the vitamins I was taking were making things

worse when I had PA. Thanks for the confirmation.

-Jeff

> > > I learned along the way that isolated nutrients (vitamins, and

> > > especially minerals) stimulate the adrenals in ways decidedly

> > unhelpful

> > > to PA pts. In fact, people with too much aldo may create or

> > exacerbate

> > > alkalosis when using most supplements.

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> > Do you have a list of these vitamins, and especially minerals?

> >

> > What about the ones that cause alkalosis?

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> > Thanks,

> > h Brueschke

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[Guest guest]

When you get some good data we might let you back on. Bye.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/11/07 5:45:41 PM, riothamus20@... writes:

On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:52 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

> When you get some good data we might let you back on. Bye.

Sorry the person who slapped on all the stuff about arginine etc. Looked like he was selling it.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

What does this refer to? No reference below. . .

Dave

On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:52 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

> When you get some good data we might let you back on. Bye.

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> May your pressure be low!

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> Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I see. I'd never heard of it, much less its relation to BP or aldo.

Dave

On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:00 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 1/11/07 5:45:41 PM, riothamus20@... writes:

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> On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:52 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

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> > When you get some good data we might let you back on. Bye.

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> Sorry the person who slapped on all the stuff about arginine etc.

> Looked like he was selling it.

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> May your pressure be low!

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> Clarence E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

On Sun Dec 31, 2006 , Dr. Grim wrote:

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> Again another thread we need to be gathering data on with an anxiety

stories

> file.

I have collected four pages of quotes. Do you want me to post it in the

files or into an email or not at all? If you would like them posted,

would you like the IDs removed?

I needed it for ME, to make sure I wasn't the only one in this hell.

One post deals with planning for a personal representative and planning

to die. OMG, I've been doing that! The spiro has brought my BP down

nicely, the Toprol XL has stopped the skips, but the anxiety continues.

I simply cannot go on this way.

Val