Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:36:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Koalas_boutique@... writes:

She jst tells me to just put

down 1 dozen and no weight. And that only liquid items need to be

weighed

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I don't think so! I just hate it when people sell products that are

potentially dangerous, such as candles and body products and are so ignorant.

Beth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 8:07:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

shaye@... writes:

So how does someone selling

soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by Sunfeather, how

does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter.

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Grrrr. . . I think you should definitely mention something!

Beth

[Guest guest]

Kbear, Wow, sounds to me she needs to jump into this millenium. And

revisit the FDA site for regulations. I wonder if itrs anyoen we know.

Would you mind prive emailing me?

How about this. At the show E and I did this weekend everything is

suppose to be handmade by the artist/crafter. So how does someone selling

soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by Sunfeather, how

does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter. E, I put that

that bothered me to see that on the survey at the end of the show. I will

probably also mention it to Gail someday when I see her at LW. Does that

make me a meany?

Shaye

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 10:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ckoutqn@... writes:

When I am doing a show

I never go into another soapers booth unless it is someone I know. I don't

want them to think I am trying to " spy on then " or steal their ideas. When

I am attending a show I check out other soapers only casually for the same

reason.

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Well, I never thought of that! I usually try to go meet them, just to be

friendly. :-)

The last show I did, I didn't meet the soapers there, but I wished I had.

Beth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 9:02:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jlv40@... writes:

I don't believe soap needs the weight and ingredients listed. Am I wrong?

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As I understand it, it needs the weight listed, but not the ingredients, as

long as you are not making any cosmetic claims.

Beth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 10:42:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jmurray2@... writes:

Well, I finally had to do it. I put my cockerspaniel to sleep and

buried her Friday. I couldn't do it myself so my SIL was loving enough

to do it for me. He said it was very humane, though. They gave her a

shot that sedated her first and she fell asleep within 30 seconds and

then they gave her the shot that stopped her heart. What a tough week I

had last week.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am so sorry, . We went through the same thing with our Eng. Springer

Spaniel last March. It's still wrenching for us, although it does get better

with time.

Were you asking about adding jojoba to perfume oil with cyclo? It works

just fine, if that's what you meant. :-)

Beth

[Guest guest]

I personally agree with you! The bars definately have to have the

oz. and ingredients listed as well.

Though I have seen (exsample: Wrigglies Gum sold in 10pks.) the

single packages have on it see www.___.com for ingredients and

nutrients. Mind you I assume there allowed to do this because

packaging is so small.

just my opinion.

Gabby

>

> Ok so I go and do a show this weekend. (it went just so so by the

> way. Not as great as last year, but they changed things around so

I

> wasn't sure what to expect)

>

> Anyways, there were other bath and body makers RIGHT by me.And I

mean

> RIGHT by me. They didn't mix people up at all at this show. ALOT

of

> people were complaing. they had jewlery next to jewlery. fleece

next

> to fleece. candles next to candles it was crazy.

>

> Ok so the one comes over to my stuff and we were talking about one

of

> my products and how I sell them by the box of 12. but depending as

to

> my molds they are differant weights. She jst tells me to just put

> down 1 dozen and no weight. And that only liquid items need to be

> weighed. I was like " HUH????? " uumm no everything needs to be

> weighed. I even weigh and label soap with my ingredients which is

> basically the only thing that doesn't NEED to be labeled.

>

> Then we go on to talk about ingredients. She said that all her

> ingredeints are listed on her website and that is all people need

to

> know. I corrected her by stating that ingredients, and weight need

to

> be seen by the buyer at time of purchase. at which point she

said "

> well if someone wants to know I just tell them " She is saying

that

> all this information is in the FDA regulations and was printed in

> 1994. Which well. if it was or not this is now 2005. unless she

ment

> 2004 not 1994. Either way I have never heard such rediculous

> information before in my life. Has any of you???

>

> oh wait here let me tell you wha happened WAY at the begining of

this

> conversation. She was looking at my lotion bars and I was telling

her

> what was in it and she stopped me and said " dont tell me. as a

matter

> of fact you shouldn't ever tell anyone. Not that you need to worry

> about me going home and making them " Now I don't know about you,

but

> under what circumstances would I NOT tell someone all the good

stuff

> that is in my products. Unless of course she is afraid that I will

> tell any potential customers what is in it and get them to buy

fromme

> and not her. After all I can't tell anyone somethng that they

can't

> already read on the back of the(err my) packages. So what if

someone

> wants to try to copy me. Lets see them try and get the proper

> measurements.

>

> I just thought the whole thing was really kookie and wanted other

> peoples input. I think more then likely she has ALOT to hide and

is

> no where near being truthful because of it. She was also fairly

rude

> about it. When i asked her where she found some her odd

interesting

> containers she muttered something under her breath so i could not

> hear her and when I asked for her to repeat. she said " I just said

> someplace on the web dot com " IF she didn't wish to tell me then

say

> it. geesh. not that I was going to copy her I am far better then

> that. But I just figured i have seen every supplier site there

was.

> And apparently there was at least one that I missed and wanted to

see

> what else they had. Like I said. she seems to be hidding stuff. I

> just hope she isn't hidding anything important from her customers.

> Obviously with no ingredeints on her products she is. It is safe

to

> say that I did not buy ANYTHING from her.

>

[Guest guest]

" " So how does someone selling

> soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by

Sunfeather, how

> does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter. " "

I agree with you Shaye; this above does not count as Homemade and

crafted by artist appearing at show Unless it was Sandy Mane

herself!!! I my self would have reported her as well for it's not

fair to every other seller there; whom could have made money off

someone elses products.

This in no way make you mean, just forth right, and trying to keep

things on an even keel for everyone; as far as being able to make

money.

Gabby

>

> Kbear, Wow, sounds to me she needs to jump into this millenium.

And

> revisit the FDA site for regulations. I wonder if itrs anyoen we

know.

> Would you mind prive emailing me?

>

> How about this. At the show E and I did this weekend

everything is

> suppose to be handmade by the artist/crafter. So how does someone

selling

> soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by

Sunfeather, how

> does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter. E, I

put that

> that bothered me to see that on the survey at the end of the

show. I will

> probably also mention it to Gail someday when I see her at LW.

Does that

> make me a meany?

>

> Shaye

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Hon,

Not a meany at all, I put it on my evaluation sheet too. I looked up

that guys name and booth space and guess who showed up in my booth

checking things out when I stepped out to the ladies room! Saw his

name tag with booth no. when he took off as soon as I returned! Kind

of rude, never even said hello or introduced himself.

On Nov 20, 2005, at 8:04 PM, Shaye wrote:

> Kbear, Wow, sounds to me she needs to jump into this millenium. And

> revisit the FDA site for regulations. I wonder if itrs anyoen we

> know.

> Would you mind prive emailing me?

>

> How about this. At the show E and I did this weekend

> everything is

> suppose to be handmade by the artist/crafter. So how does someone

> selling

> soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by

> Sunfeather, how

> does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter. E, I put

> that

> that bothered me to see that on the survey at the end of the show. I

> will

> probably also mention it to Gail someday when I see her at LW. Does

> that

> make me a meany?

>

> Shaye

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe soap needs the weight and ingredients listed. Am I wrong? I

list all the goodies on whipped shea and lip balms, etc..and I have the

weight on my fo's with all the appropriate disclaimers.

On another note - I bought a candle at a show a few weeks ago and when I

lit it I discovered the wick was the old lead type. Needless to say I

tossed that one real quick.

Jeanine

Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

I personally agree with you! The bars definately have to have the

oz. and ingredients listed as well.

Though I have seen (exsample: Wrigglies Gum sold in 10pks.) the

single packages have on it see www.___.com for ingredients and

nutrients. Mind you I assume there allowed to do this because

packaging is so small.

just my opinion.

Gabby

>

> Ok so I go and do a show this weekend. (it went just so so by the

> way. Not as great as last year, but they changed things around so

I

> wasn't sure what to expect)

>

> Anyways, there were other bath and body makers RIGHT by me.And I

mean

> RIGHT by me. They didn't mix people up at all at this show. ALOT

of

> people were complaing. they had jewlery next to jewlery. fleece

next

> to fleece. candles next to candles it was crazy.

>

> Ok so the one comes over to my stuff and we were talking about one

of

> my products and how I sell them by the box of 12. but depending as

to

> my molds they are differant weights. She jst tells me to just put

> down 1 dozen and no weight. And that only liquid items need to be

> weighed. I was like " HUH????? " uumm no everything needs to be

> weighed. I even weigh and label soap with my ingredients which is

> basically the only thing that doesn't NEED to be labeled.

>

> Then we go on to talk about ingredients. She said that all her

> ingredeints are listed on her website and that is all people need

to

> know. I corrected her by stating that ingredients, and weight need

to

> be seen by the buyer at time of purchase. at which point she

said "

> well if someone wants to know I just tell them " She is saying

that

> all this information is in the FDA regulations and was printed in

> 1994. Which well. if it was or not this is now 2005. unless she

ment

> 2004 not 1994. Either way I have never heard such rediculous

> information before in my life. Has any of you???

>

> oh wait here let me tell you wha happened WAY at the begining of

this

> conversation. She was looking at my lotion bars and I was telling

her

> what was in it and she stopped me and said " dont tell me. as a

matter

> of fact you shouldn't ever tell anyone. Not that you need to worry

> about me going home and making them " Now I don't know about you,

but

> under what circumstances would I NOT tell someone all the good

stuff

> that is in my products. Unless of course she is afraid that I will

> tell any potential customers what is in it and get them to buy

fromme

> and not her. After all I can't tell anyone somethng that they

can't

> already read on the back of the(err my) packages. So what if

someone

> wants to try to copy me. Lets see them try and get the proper

> measurements.

>

> I just thought the whole thing was really kookie and wanted other

> peoples input. I think more then likely she has ALOT to hide and

is

> no where near being truthful because of it. She was also fairly

rude

> about it. When i asked her where she found some her odd

interesting

> containers she muttered something under her breath so i could not

> hear her and when I asked for her to repeat. she said " I just said

> someplace on the web dot com " IF she didn't wish to tell me then

say

> it. geesh. not that I was going to copy her I am far better then

> that. But I just figured i have seen every supplier site there

was.

> And apparently there was at least one that I missed and wanted to

see

> what else they had. Like I said. she seems to be hidding stuff. I

> just hope she isn't hidding anything important from her customers.

> Obviously with no ingredeints on her products she is. It is safe

to

> say that I did not buy ANYTHING from her.

>

[Guest guest]

What show did you do and how about and Shaye? I did a show in

Fairport Saturday but did not see any soapers I knew.

Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

> Ok so I go and do a show this weekend. (it went just so so by the

> way. Not as great as last year, but they changed things around so I

> wasn't sure what to expect)

[Guest guest]

Hmmm,

For some reason I never got the first email regarding what you're all

talking about. It will probably show up in a few months, heh? Shaye,

as far as selling another company's soap at a craft fair - I would

DEFINITELY call or email Gail or someone at Sunfeather. I can't imagine

that they know about this. And what a DOPE for not even removing the

label!!

Well, I finally had to do it. I put my cockerspaniel to sleep and

buried her Friday. I couldn't do it myself so my SIL was loving enough

to do it for me. He said it was very humane, though. They gave her a

shot that sedated her first and she fell asleep within 30 seconds and

then they gave her the shot that stopped her heart. What a tough week I

had last week.

I had to go to WalMart to buy one of those Rubbermaid storage containers

to bury her in. I hope nobody saw me standing in the aisle crying when I

was trying to figure out what size I needed. They would have thought I

was nuts.

It's funny but I swear that I hear her feet walking around on my

hardwood floors. Or I look out the kitchen window expecting to see her

taking her stroll around the pool. I guess it's going to take some time

to get over it since I had her for 17 years. At least she's buried up

at my girlfriend's land along with a lot of her dogs and I can go talk

to her. She acutally has her own pet cemetary in her back yard with

markers and all. So she's going to order me a cockerspaniel marker with

Heidi's name and years on it. Well, enough about that or the tears will

start flowing again.

Is everybody getting busy with Christmas orders? I've been busy but

none of it is for Xmas right now. I've been working with two girls

regarding their wedding showers in February and (believe it or not) the

other is in the summer. Boy, is that girl ever organized!! Plus I've

had a lot of other orders to do. Then my daughter who works at a hair

salon said her boss is adding on to the building she's in to add

tanning, nails, hand and foot massages, etc. My daughter is going to be

doing a lot of that and her boss wanted to know if I was interested in

them using my lotion for the hand and foot massages and then offering

the lotion for sale right there. I don't know when that's transpiring

(hopefully AFTER Christmas) but they've already started the renovations

so it probably won't be too far off.

Well, I'd better go get some work done. Oh, one good thing did happen

last week. I bought a new car (well, used car). It's a beautiful 2002

Chrysler Sebring Convertible. I've always wanted one so I took the

plunge.

Hope everyone has a good week. And if anyone can respond to the email I

posted a few hours ago about using Jojoba Oil and f/o as a perfume oil,

I'd appreciate it greatly.

Thanks

RE: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

Kbear, Wow, sounds to me she needs to jump into this millenium. And

revisit the FDA site for regulations. I wonder if itrs anyoen we know.

Would you mind prive emailing me?

How about this. At the show E and I did this weekend

everything is

suppose to be handmade by the artist/crafter. So how does someone

selling

soap wirh their label on it and on the back it says made by Sunfeather,

how

does that count as handmade by the artist/crafter. E, I put

that

that bothered me to see that on the survey at the end of the show. I

will

probably also mention it to Gail someday when I see her at LW. Does

that

make me a meany?

Shaye

[Guest guest]

http://www.cosmeticmall.com/content/CG_Soap.asp

Check out the above site. very interesting.

Jeanine

[Guest guest]

Meg, we did the Rochester Museum and Science Ctr Holiday Bazaar show.

What show did you do in Fairport. Kbear what show did you do?

Shaye

[Guest guest]

The one I did was at Minerva Deland. There was this guy in my both looking

at my soaps very closely but not saying anything to me. I was with a

customer when he first came in and so I did not get to greet him. I was

ready to greet him but then noticed he had a name tag on so figured it was

another vendor. There was a glare on his nametag so I could not see his

company name or product. I got the impression he might have been another

soaper but like I said he did not talk to me at all. When I am doing a show

I never go into another soapers booth unless it is someone I know. I don't

want them to think I am trying to " spy on then " or steal their ideas. When

I am attending a show I check out other soapers only casually for the same

reason.

Meg

Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

> Meg, we did the Rochester Museum and Science Ctr Holiday Bazaar show.

> What show did you do in Fairport. Kbear what show did you do?

>

> Shaye

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow thank you for posting this link. I have learned something about

soap I didn't know. I especially needed to know this for when

selling my Hand Sanitizer.

Gabby

>

> http://www.cosmeticmall.com/content/CG_Soap.asp

> Check out the above site. very interesting.

>

> Jeanine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Meg, how was that show for a soaper? I have heard a lot about it that it is

a really really good show.

Thx

Shaye

[Guest guest]

Oh , im soo sorry about your freind. . That is soo hard . I know

what you mean about still hearing her or seeing her. It was the same with

me with my kitty a cvouple years ago. Big hugs to you .

Well now that my shows are done I need to get my remaining stuf in the

stores so today, after shopping for thanksgiving, I need to get everything

priced. Plus I do have an order from that dayspa for some mini lotion bars

so now I have all the supplies for that I need to get that done.

Shaye

[Guest guest]

Thats how I understand it as well for soap.

Beth, how did your weekend go for shows?

Shaye

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As I understand it, it needs the weight listed, but not the ingredients, as

long as you are not making any cosmetic claims.

Beth

[Guest guest]

Gabby,

What do you call your hand sanitizer? Just wondering so that it doesn't

fall into the cosmetic category.

Jeanine

Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

Wow thank you for posting this link. I have learned something about

soap I didn't know. I especially needed to know this for when

selling my Hand Sanitizer.

Gabby

>

> http://www.cosmeticmall.com/content/CG_Soap.asp

> Check out the above site. very interesting.

>

> Jeanine

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that guy sure has a lot of " man balls " eh? Sorry coulnt resist.

Just to explain my joke, He was selling " man balls " soap. Hope I dint

offend anyone.

Shaye

Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

Hi Hon,

Not a meany at all, I put it on my evaluation sheet too. I looked up

that guys name and booth space and guess who showed up in my booth

checking things out when I stepped out to the ladies room! Saw his

name tag with booth no. when he took off as soon as I returned! Kind

of rude, never even said hello or introduced himself.

[Guest guest]

Im not Gabby, but we had this discussion a little while back which is the

reason I called mine, Waterless Hand cleaner. I sold a few bottles of it

and the people who paid attention to it totaly got that it was a hand

sanitizer. BTW Gabby, it got rave reviews from those people comparing it

to Purell. Thanks for teaching this to us! Also I was thinking this

might even be a good facial moisturizer for people like me who have oily

skin, that is getting older (darnit) and breaks out from typical facial

moisturizers.

Shaye

Gabby,

What do you call your hand sanitizer? Just wondering so that it doesn't

fall into the cosmetic category.

Jeanine

[Guest guest]

Shaye,

Excellent name! How much do you charge for this if you don't mind my

asking?

I did a small show at the local Theatre group yesterday. Did only about

half of last year's sales. Did get a new customer for lotion bars and

whipped shea. The samples really do well as salespersons. Only three more

shows until the end of the year. Getting tired............

Jeanine

RE: Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

Im not Gabby, but we had this discussion a little while back which is the

reason I called mine, Waterless Hand cleaner. I sold a few bottles of it

and the people who paid attention to it totaly got that it was a hand

sanitizer. BTW Gabby, it got rave reviews from those people comparing it

to Purell. Thanks for teaching this to us! Also I was thinking this

might even be a good facial moisturizer for people like me who have oily

skin, that is getting older (darnit) and breaks out from typical facial

moisturizers.

Shaye

Gabby,

What do you call your hand sanitizer? Just wondering so that it doesn't

fall into the cosmetic category.

Jeanine

[Guest guest]

Jeanine. I charged $3 for 3 oz. I know the price is very low but I

justified it becaue its so cheep to make and I wanted to see what kind of

intereste there would be. I may creep up the price a tad. Good luck with

your remaining shows! I get tired just thinking of all you do in a day.

LOL.

Shaye

RE: Re: Ever hear this take on FDA regs???

Shaye,

Excellent name! How much do you charge for this if you don't mind my

asking?

I did a small show at the local Theatre group yesterday. Did only about

half of last year's sales. Did get a new customer for lotion bars and

whipped shea. The samples really do well as salespersons. Only three more

shows until the end of the year. Getting tired............

Jeanine

[Guest guest]

NO. Soap itself doe not have to be labeled at all in order to sell.

It is basically the ONLY thing that does not need to be properly

labeled. Unless of course it is a M & P soap. which I suppose is

because it is made with detergents, which have more of a chance on

giving someone a reaction then say a bar of CP or HP.

Or if is has special additives like in the case of a shaving soap

where it might contain clay or any other specialties.

However many people DO label soap for the safty of the consumer. Also

When they get home and take that label off and give it a try and find

out it is the greatest thing on earth they know what scent it was and

where they got it from. But for the most part it does not HAVE to be

labeled.

> >

> > Ok so I go and do a show this weekend. (it went just so so by

the

> > way. Not as great as last year, but they changed things around

so

> I

> > wasn't sure what to expect)

> >

> > Anyways, there were other bath and body makers RIGHT by me.And I

> mean

> > RIGHT by me. They didn't mix people up at all at this show. ALOT

> of

> > people were complaing. they had jewlery next to jewlery. fleece

> next

> > to fleece. candles next to candles it was crazy.

> >

> > Ok so the one comes over to my stuff and we were talking about

one

> of

> > my products and how I sell them by the box of 12. but depending

as

> to

> > my molds they are differant weights. She jst tells me to just

put

> > down 1 dozen and no weight. And that only liquid items need to

be

> > weighed. I was like " HUH????? " uumm no everything needs to be

> > weighed. I even weigh and label soap with my ingredients which

is

> > basically the only thing that doesn't NEED to be labeled.

> >

> > Then we go on to talk about ingredients. She said that all her

> > ingredeints are listed on her website and that is all people

need

> to

> > know. I corrected her by stating that ingredients, and weight

need

> to

> > be seen by the buyer at time of purchase. at which point she

> said "

> > well if someone wants to know I just tell them " She is saying

> that

> > all this information is in the FDA regulations and was printed

in

> > 1994. Which well. if it was or not this is now 2005. unless she

> ment

> > 2004 not 1994. Either way I have never heard such rediculous

> > information before in my life. Has any of you???

> >

> > oh wait here let me tell you wha happened WAY at the begining of

> this

> > conversation. She was looking at my lotion bars and I was

telling

> her

> > what was in it and she stopped me and said " dont tell me. as a

> matter

> > of fact you shouldn't ever tell anyone. Not that you need to

worry

> > about me going home and making them " Now I don't know about

you,

> but

> > under what circumstances would I NOT tell someone all the good

> stuff

> > that is in my products. Unless of course she is afraid that I

will

> > tell any potential customers what is in it and get them to buy

> fromme

> > and not her. After all I can't tell anyone somethng that they

> can't

> > already read on the back of the(err my) packages. So what if

> someone

> > wants to try to copy me. Lets see them try and get the proper

> > measurements.

> >

> > I just thought the whole thing was really kookie and wanted

other

> > peoples input. I think more then likely she has ALOT to hide and

> is

> > no where near being truthful because of it. She was also fairly

> rude

> > about it. When i asked her where she found some her odd

> interesting

> > containers she muttered something under her breath so i could

not

> > hear her and when I asked for her to repeat. she said " I just

said

> > someplace on the web dot com " IF she didn't wish to tell me then

> say

> > it. geesh. not that I was going to copy her I am far better then

> > that. But I just figured i have seen every supplier site there

> was.

> > And apparently there was at least one that I missed and wanted

to

> see

> > what else they had. Like I said. she seems to be hidding stuff.

I

> > just hope she isn't hidding anything important from her

customers.

> > Obviously with no ingredeints on her products she is. It is safe

> to

> > say that I did not buy ANYTHING from her.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>