Re: Is Melatonin OK for us to take?

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Dr Grim, any

comments on this?

Jim

Jim Forsythe wrote on 9/24/2006 11:46 AM:

I've been

taking melatonin for a few months to help me sleep better. I am

sleeping better, but I seem to be more sensitive to salt variations in

my diet. I started searching today on the web for a connection between

melatonin and aldosterone. Seems to be a connection but I can't find

any definitive statements on it. Does melatonin have any affect on

aldosterone production? Anyone aware of any studies or advice on this

matter? I'm PA, bilateral hyperplasia, 100 mg Inspra daily, modified

DASH diet (can't do dairy so I do soy instead).

Thanks,

Jim

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In a message dated 9/24/06 10:47:55 AM, rjf_untrustedsignups@... writes:

I've been taking melatonin for a few months to help me sleep better.  I am sleeping better, but I seem to be more sensitive to salt variations in my diet.  I started searching today on the web for a connection between melatonin and aldosterone.  Seems to be a connection but I can't find any definitive statements on it.  Does melatonin have any affect on aldosterone production?  Anyone aware of any studies or advice on this matter?  I'm PA, bilateral hyperplasia, 100 mg Inspra daily, modified DASH diet (can't do dairy so I do soy instead).

Thanks,

Jim

It may stimulate aldo so I would use something else. I belongs to a family of pro and active hormones of the proopiocortin group as I recall. The data on melatonin helping folks sleep better is not very strong. Do a pubmed on insomnia and melanocortin and tell us what you find.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 10/5/06 4:12:03 PM, frand2@... writes:

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> It may stimulate aldo so I would use something else. I belongs to

a family

> of pro and active hormones of the proopiocortin group as I

recall. The data

> on melatonin helping folks sleep better is not very strong. Do a

pubmed on

> insomnia and melanocortin and tell us what you find.

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

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That's interesting, I took melatonin for YEARS before my aldo level

went up. I don't remember when I started it but I know I was taking

it in early 1996 because I went on a trip to Tahiti with a group in

Mar 96 and I didn't have any problem with jet lag when I got back.

I stopped taking it a couple of months ago but don't see any change

in anything.

Fran

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> In a message dated 9/24/06 10:47:55 AM, rjf_untrustedsignups@...

> writes:

>

>

> >

> > I've been taking melatonin for a few months to help me sleep

better.  I am

> > sleeping better, but I seem to be more sensitive to salt

variations in my

> > diet.  I started searching today on the web for a connection

between melatonin

> > and aldosterone.  Seems to be a connection but I can't find any

definitive

> > statements on it.  Does melatonin have any affect on aldosterone

production? 

> > Anyone aware of any studies or advice on this matter?  I'm PA,

bilateral

> > hyperplasia, 100 mg Inspra daily, modified DASH diet (can't do

dairy so I do soy

> > instead).

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jim

> >

> >

>

> It may stimulate aldo so I would use something else. I belongs to

a family

> of pro and active hormones of the proopiocortin group as I

recall. The data

> on melatonin helping folks sleep better is not very strong. Do a

pubmed on

> insomnia and melanocortin and tell us what you find.

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

I tried pubmed in the past but those articles are written for doctors

and contain a lot of medical jargon which I don't understand. I find

that I spend a lot of time on them and don't learn much. I quit

taking melatonin a few months ago. I take benadril & lorazapam and

that helps considerably and I am now trying to cut back on them.

Fran

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> In a message dated 10/5/06 4:12:03 PM, frand2@... writes:

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> > > It may stimulate aldo so I would use something else. I belongs

to

> > a family

> > > of pro and active hormones of the proopiocortin group as I

> > recall. The data

> > > on melatonin helping folks sleep better is not very strong. Do a

> > pubmed on

> > > insomnia and melanocortin and tell us what you find.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > May your pressure be low!

> > >

> > > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 10/6/06 6:11:57 PM, riothamus20@... writes:

It has the advantage of not

messing with your metabolism or other meds, and increasing general

health and well-being.

I would argue that the exercise did "mess with your metabolism" but in a good way;-)

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 10/6/06 6:11:57 PM, riothamus20@... writes:

> I tried pubmed in the past but those articles are written for doctors

>  and contain a lot of medical jargon which I don't understand.

If you dont speak the language you can't read the writings.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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As someone with severe apnea, I was experienced with many sleep aids

over the years, and to avoid the " rebound effect " (or the body's

tendency to seek homeostasis or balance) of most , I settled on the OTC

Unisom (regular , their " extra strength " is benadryl) for occasional

help. It gave me 8 hours of uninterrupted slumber. But even this mild

aid rebounded the next night somewhat, making it harder to fall asleep

without it.

Then, I began a 4 x per week exercise program at my local gym, and have

never had trouble sleeping (or rebounding) since. My conclusion :

exercise is the best sleep aid for me. It has the advantage of not

messing with your metabolism or other meds, and increasing general

health and well-being.

Dave

On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:26 AM, pagirl1946 wrote:

> I tried pubmed in the past but those articles are written for doctors

> and contain a lot of medical jargon which I don't understand. I find

> that I spend a lot of time on them and don't learn much. I quit

> taking melatonin a few months ago. I take benadril & lorazapam and

> that helps considerably and I am now trying to cut back on them.

>

> Fran

[Guest guest]

Yes, especially after a long sedentary job. We need some exercise for

basic equilibrium. These bodies were designed for movement and rest -

not just rest. Uh, excuse me, they evolved that way. How

anthropomorphic of me!

;^)

Dave

On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:58 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 10/6/06 6:11:57 PM, riothamus20@... writes:

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>

> It has the advantage of not

> messing with your metabolism or other meds, and increasing general

> health and well-being.

>

>

> I would argue that the exercise did " mess with your metabolism " but in

> a good way;-)

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> _

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I know exercise helps me sleep much better. Before my body went to

hell, I was walking about 5 days a week. I stopped when my bp shot

up to extremely high levels and my dr told me not to exercise. After

it got better, I started again but quit again a couple of years ago

because it was summer and the sweating got so bad that it took me

over an hour to cool down, then I would take a shower and by that

time the day was half over and I hadn't done anything. I was getting

ready to put my house up for sale and I wasn't getting anything

done. After I moved, I found a couple of new drs and was taken off

of aldactone four times for testing and the pain in my feet got worse

every time I tried other meds. I hope to start walking again later

this fall. I love to walk and it is what I want to do, riding an

exercize bike just doesn't appeal to me.

Fran

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> > I tried pubmed in the past but those articles are written for

doctors

> > and contain a lot of medical jargon which I don't understand. I

find

> > that I spend a lot of time on them and don't learn much. I quit

> > taking melatonin a few months ago. I take benadril & lorazapam

and

> > that helps considerably and I am now trying to cut back on them.

> >

> > Fran

>