Re: sweating, PA & thyroid

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In a message dated 7/31/06 6:58:24 PM, toniab_13@... writes:

Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive sweating? I

don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall sweating so

much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my feet or my

palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for several

years, but all the other medications I've been on for at least 8 years

before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the medications

can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive sweating? I

think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came first --

Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting doubtful looks

that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible sweats at

night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it is very

cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself or could it

be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or advice

would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

embarrassed by how much I sweat.

Thanks!

Tonia

What else happens when you sweat. BP go up or down, headaches, fast or slow heart rate? Family Hx of this problem?

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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I tried responding earlier this week, but the server didn't

send the message....

I don't have family history of excessive sweating. I have an older

sister (mid 40s that is hot, but she doesn't sweat like me) and

another older sister (also mid-40s) that has hot flashes, but she's

also gone through menopause already due to complications and a

hysterectomy. I just seem to sweat at any movement and then at

night, but not every night.

I get flushed and very tired during sweating. I am in a community

band and for the past 2 weeks I have been drenched to the bone

sweating from the time I got there until I left. Everyone else was

hot and fanning, but I was soaked. Looked like I had just gotten

out of a shower. I took my bp last night when I got home and it was

131/100, but it was also time for my evening dose of pills. Last

week I was so weak when I got home I barley had enough energy to

take off my shoes and my husband asked if I was ok. So, obviously I

did not look well.

I do have heart flutters and high pulse rates sometimes, but nothing

I have noticed when I am hot and sweating.

I sweat a lot during the winter time as well, so it just isn't the

most recent heat wave triggering the sweating. I freeze my husband

all year long and it is very rare that I am cold.

I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp or

becuase of something else.

Thanks!

Tonia

>

>

> In a message dated 7/31/06 6:58:24 PM, toniab_13@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive

sweating? I

> > don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall sweating

so

> > much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my feet or

my

> > palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for several

> > years, but all the other medications I've been on for at least 8

years

> > before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the

medications

> > can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive

sweating? I

> > think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came

first --

> > Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting doubtful

looks

> > that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible sweats at

> > night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it is

very

> > cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

> > something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself or

could it

> > be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or

advice

> > would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

> > embarrassed by how much I sweat.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Tonia

> >

> >

> >

>

> What else happens when you sweat. BP go up or down, headaches,

fast or slow

> heart rate? Family Hx of this problem?

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

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>

>I will keep track of my bp and hr when I am sweating and let you

know after several readings. I only had low potassium at one time

and that was 10 years ago as I was admitted to the hospital for my

extreme high bp. I had been sick at my stomach a lot and not keeping

down food on a regular basis, so that was their reasoning for the

low level. Right now I have enough potassium, as I get it checked

every 6 months given I am on both spiro and a diuretic, and I have

not been indicated one way or the other to supplement my diet or

change my diet.

I don't think I have ever been tested for pheochromocytoma that I am

aware.

I am 31. I have one sister that has gone through menopause and she

did that in her late 30s/early 40s b/c of her hysterectomy. Other 2

sisters are in the their 40s (one mid- and the other late) and not

experiencing any symptoms. My Mom was in her early to mid 50s when

she went through it and I remember some hot flashes but not

excessive sweating. My 2 sisters are not on any medications and are

much healthier than myself or my other sister. My Mom was not really

sick, except for high cholesterol, until her mid-50s when her

smoking caught up with her and her heart.

> In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

> > not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp

or

> > becuase of something else.

> >

>

> Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do

this

> several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been

tested for

> pheochromocytoma?

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

My sugar levels are up to 108 (fasting), but I am changing my diet

and hope they will come back down below 100 in the next test. I

don't have the capability of checking my sugar when I am sweating,

so I can't provide those readings.

Hearing someone else's story makes me feel better, so thanks for the

input!!!

Tonia

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

> > not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp

or

> > becuase of something else.

> >

> >

> > Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate.

Do this

> > several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been

tested for

> > pheochromocytoma?

> >

> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dr. Grim,

> I am also having severe sweating. Being on Spiro only for about a

year now

> it appears the sweating is getting worse. I've been monitoring my

bp and

> immediately after the seating my bp has actually been on the low

side. HR no

> change. Checked my glucose during the sweating episodes and the

blood sugar

> has always been under 100. I dont have diabetes.

> Could this be a side effect of spiro?

>

> Thank,

> Farah

Hi Farah,

Before I joined our group here, I had extreme night sweating

especially on the head area, such that my pillow would be soaking wet

literally.

I have been on spiro now for 13 months and I do no have sweating

anymore. Unfortunately for us males, my breasts are painful as a side

effect to Spiro.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

As in saying she was not sick, I meant that she did not present any

symptoms of her heart disease (or much else) until her mid-50s and

was not on any medication except her cholesterol medication. I am

perfectly aware from talking with her surgeon how bad she really was

internally and exactly what damage her years of smoking and high

cholesterol did to her. I am also aware how one dies with

complications from heart disease and lung disease and how painful

and scary it is. So, in comparison between my Mom's states of

living, she was not " sick " before her mid-50s.

>

>

> In a message dated 8/4/06 1:50:35 PM, toniab_13@... writes:

>

>

> > My Mom was not really

> > sick, except for high cholesterol, until her mid-50s when her

> > smoking caught up with her and her heart.

> >

> >

> As the above notes calling someone not really sick who smokes and

has high

> cholesterol is one of the biggest myths we have today. Her

blood vessels had

> been getting sicker and sicker since she started smoking and if

the high

> cholesterol was present in grade school, which it in many

famillies, she had early

> blood vessel disease when she was a teenager.

>

> Smoking brings on heart attacks in those with high cholesterol

about 20 years

> earlier that if they did not smoke. So anyone who smokes now or

who has ever

> smoked has sick blood vessels now. Stopping slows the sickness

down and

> after 20 years of stopping they may be back to where the are for

people of your

> age who have never smoked-if you and your blood vessels last that

long.

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Farah

I have this sweating problem going on it was the first thing along with my high

blood pressure that went out of wack. If i take 50mg of atenolol it all goes

away pretty much. If I take only 25mg atenolol I am in sweat again. I guess it

is all so different for each and evey one of us. I'm going to get my adrenline

hormones checked next.

ita

>

> Dr. Grim,

> I am also having severe sweating. Being on Spiro only for about a year now

> it appears the sweating is getting worse. I've been monitoring my bp and

> immediately after the seating my bp has actually been on the low side. HR no

> change. Checked my glucose during the sweating episodes and the blood sugar

> has always been under 100. I dont have diabetes.

> Could this be a side effect of spiro?

>

> Thank,

> Farah On 8/4/06, lowerbp2@... <lowerbp2@...> wrote In a message dated 8/4/06

9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just not sure if I

am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp or becuase of something else.

Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do this

> > several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been tested for

pheochromocytoma? May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Have you ever tried Vitamin E for your painfull breasts. It worked for me very

well when I was on estrogen getting soar breasts.My Dr.suggested Vit E.

I was surprised how it helped.

How do you stay well in the weather in PI?. Do you have to be really carefull in

the hot and humid air. I lived in PI for a year, it is so beautiful and the food

was divine especialy the sea food. I was in Caloocan city, Biesa.

ita

Hi Farah, Before I joined our group here, I had extreme night sweating

especially on the head area, such that my pillow would be soaking wet literally.

I have been on spiro now for 13 months and I do no have sweating anymore.

Unfortunately for us males, my breasts are painful as a side effect to Spiro.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> Hi Farah, Before I joined our group here, I had extreme night

sweating especially on the head area, such that my pillow would be

soaking wet literally. I have been on spiro now for 13 months and I do

no have sweating anymore. Unfortunately for us males, my breasts are

painful as a side effect to Spiro.

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Tonia,

Yes I have the terrible sweating, too. One doctor prescribed Zoloft

for it, but an hour after taking the first pill, I started having a

horrible burning sensation in my hands and feet so I didn't take any

more. It did seem to help the sweating but I just couldn't tolerate

it. The burning sensation is another symptom that I have along with

an inflamation in the bottoms of my feet that is much worse with some

drugs. I have had the pain for almost 6 years and doctors tell me it

is diabetic neuropathy although I don't have diabetes. Endos say it

isn't. I have read that adrenal tumors can cause sweating. I have

some kind of abnormal hot flashes that start the sweating. The heat

starts in the back of my head and goes down my spine. Estrogen does

not help it so GYNs say it isn't from menopause. The sweating

started about the same time my bp started going up.

In desperation, I have started acupuncture and on my first visit when

I told the acupuncturist about the heat and sweating, he said that

told him something. He showed me a chart of the body's " channels "

and one of them goes up the spine, across the back of the head and

down the other side of the spine, exactly where I feel the heat. He

says I have liver and kidney deficiency. I have had 7 treatments now

and the sweating seems to be a getting better. I can tolerate the

heat better. I will post more on the results of accupuncture later.

Fran

>

> Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive sweating?

I

> don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall sweating so

> much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my feet or my

> palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for several

> years, but all the other medications I've been on for at least 8

years

> before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the

medications

> can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive sweating?

I

> think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came first -

-

> Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting doubtful

looks

> that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible sweats at

> night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it is

very

> cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

> something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself or could

it

> be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or

advice

> would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

> embarrassed by how much I sweat.

>

> Thanks!

> Tonia

>

[Guest guest]

Tonia,

I forgot to mention that I also have underactive thyroid but it is OK

on synthroid. Thyroid shouldn't cause sweating unless it is

overactive. When my bp suddenly shot up in May 99 and I was having a

lot of hot flashes and sweating, I thought my thyroid was overactive

(at the time I was on 75 mg Synthroid). I asked my primary (only dr

at that time) what the thyroid was doing. He looked at my chart and

said he didn't check it last year and he didn't check it then

either. A few days later, I asked to be admitted to the hosp for my

bp (240/110) and when they checked my TSH, it was over 8 so it

definately wasn't my thryoid.

I also get very tired and sometimes I just have to take a nap only to

wake up 10 minutes later with a " hot flash " and sweating. After that

I am no longer tired. I have tried for years to associate it with my

bp and I think it jumps up just BEFORE the hot flash and then goes

down after. I tried to find readings but didn't usually write down

when I was sweating. I know I have just happened to check it a few

times and it was real high (160s) and then the heat started within a

couple of minutes. Stress or anger will also trigger a " hot flash " .

No one in my family has anything like this either. I do not have any

sisters but my mother died at the age of 93. She was overweight for

over 45 years and had high bp for a good number of those years. She

never had anything like the sweating and said she never had any

problems with menopause, she just quit having periods when she was in

her early 50s. If anyone is interested, she has 2 sisters still

living who have also been overweight most of their lives. One is 93

and the other is 91 and both have congestive heart failure that

developed around age 90. Non of them ever had anything like the

sweating I am having.

I have found that I cannot tolerate anything on my arms or legs. I

even notice a difference between tank tops and tee shirts. I rarely

use my car heater in the winter and often drive with a window down.

I am single and retired so I can do whatever I want. About 3 1/2

years ago, I was wearing sheatshirts in Dec then we had a warm week

so I went back to tee shirts. The next week it was cold again and I

found I could not tolerate sweatshirts. It is definately something

very mysterious and a horrible thing to live with. It keeps me from

doing a lot of things I would like to do, like joining clubs or even

walking.

Sorry, my messages always seem to be long. What are your CL and

sodium levels? My cl is just below the range and sodium is toward

the bottom of the range.

Fran

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 7/31/06 6:58:24 PM, toniab_13@ writes:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive

> sweating? I

> > > don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall

sweating

> so

> > > much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my feet

or

> my

> > > palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for several

> > > years, but all the other medications I've been on for at least

8

> years

> > > before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the

> medications

> > > can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive

> sweating? I

> > > think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came

> first --

> > > Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting doubtful

> looks

> > > that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible sweats at

> > > night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it is

> very

> > > cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

> > > something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself or

> could it

> > > be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or

> advice

> > > would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

> > > embarrassed by how much I sweat.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > Tonia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > What else happens when you sweat. BP go up or down, headaches,

> fast or slow

> > heart rate? Family Hx of this problem?

> >

> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim,

As I said in the message I just posted, I have been trying to relate

the sweating to my bp for years. I just had one of those spells

about an hour ago and check my bp right away. it was 152/81 Pulse

77. I checked it about 10 minutes later after the heat and sweating

subsided and it was 148/80, Pulse 72. I take labetalol 3 x day. I

have checked my bp at times when it was higher than it usually is and

then a couple of minutes later the heat and sweating would start. I

do not have a pheo. I do have a 9 mm " nodule " on my left adrenal but

Dr Carey at UVA said that it is harmless and that my aldo is

secondary since it is suppressed by saline. You and the dr at

Hopkins disagree with that. I had an octreotide scan which showed

nothing. The dr at Hopkins thought my bp was fine at 141/70? so he

didn't recommend doing AVS since the right adrenal vein was very hard

to get to. I told him that my bp often goes up to the upper 160s but

he ignored that. Cortisol (salivary, urine, and plasma) are all

normal but I got a copy of my tests from Hopkins and my plasma ACTH

was a little high (31 pg/mL Range 5-27) The dr never told me this

and I don't know what it means. I do not plan to go back since he

doesn't appear to know anything. He didn't check K or NA and I had

to ask him to check my thyroid. He called when I was out of town and

left a message saying the saliva tests were normal but didn't say

anything about the other tests. I got copies of the results so I

would know about the thyroid since I need a new RX which I will get

from my primary. I do not understand medical schools. What are they

teaching young doctors?? The Hopkins dr said that I probably did

have a parathyroid tumor, too but that it was " fairly common in women

your age " and he didn't think anything should be done about it since

it wasn't causing any damage to my bones. I don't know how he knew

that since he didn't do any bone density tests. I guess because I

didn't have any casts on, he assumed my bones were OK??? The next

time I check my bp and have one of those sweating spells right after,

I will check it later and see if it goes down. But it will just be

luck to catch it before the sweating starts.

Fran

Fran

>

>

> In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

> > not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp

or

> > becuase of something else.

> >

>

> Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do

this

> several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been

tested for

> pheochromocytoma?

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

Farah,

It is definately not an affect of Spiro because I had it years before

I was put on spiro. Also when I go off of spiro for testing, it gets

much worse then improves when I restart spiro.

Dr Grim,

I forgot until now that when I am not on spiro and have one of

these " hot flashes " my heart does pound and I remember one night I

was asleep and was awakened by the sound of my blood rushing thru the

veins in my head. I don't know if my pulse was any faster or not,

just that it scared me to death.

Fran

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

> > not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp

or

> > becuase of something else.

> >

> >

> > Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do

this

> > several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been

tested for

> > pheochromocytoma?

> >

> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim,

That TSH level is high for any lab! Also I have been told by several

endos that TSH should be between 1 and 2. The labs always have a

wider range which is too bad because most non-endos go by the lab

results - if it is 4 and that is within the range for that lab, then

they think it is OK. If the TSH is high, the thyroid is underactive,

if TSH is low, the thyroid is hyper.

I do not have migraine headaches. I have sinus headaches which go

away with tylenol but then come back when it wears off. Accupuncture

also seems to be helping my sinus congestion. I went to my primary

on Fri and asked for a different BB to see if that will help. I just

started the new one yesterday so it is too early to tell.

I haven't heard of anyone in my family that had low K problems but my

aunt had high K a few years ago. She has congestive heart failure

and is 93.

I have been to several neurologists and find them totally worthless.

I told them all of my symptoms and none of them ever said anything

about autonomic nervous system disorder. I gave up on them years

ago. They didn't know what was causing the problems but had drugs

that they thought would treat them. The drugs aggrevated the pain

and numbness in my feet. That is why I turned to acupuncture because

DOCTORS ARE NOT HELPING ME!!!

Fran

Fran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 7/31/06 6:58:24 PM, toniab_13@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive

> > > sweating? I

> > > > > don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall

> > sweating

> > > so

> > > > > much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my

feet

> > or

> > > my

> > > > > palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for

several

> > > > > years, but all the other medications I've been on for at

least

> > 8

> > > years

> > > > > before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the

> > > medications

> > > > > can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive

> > > sweating? I

> > > > > think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came

> > > first --

> > > > > Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting

doubtful

> > > looks

> > > > > that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible

sweats at

> > > > > night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it

is

> > > very

> > > > > cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

> > > > > something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself

or

> > > could it

> > > > > be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or

> > > advice

> > > > > would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

> > > > > embarrassed by how much I sweat.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > Tonia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > What else happens when you sweat. BP go up or down, headaches,

> > > fast or slow

> > > > heart rate? Family Hx of this problem?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > May your pressure be low!

> > > >

> > > > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > > > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > > > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > > > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim,

I am not sure what you mean by after a spell. I have had these

spells every day of my life for the past 7 years and they are

gradually getting worse. I have had many 24 hour urine collections

during that time. Dr. Carey tested my plasma metanephrines and the

results were:

metaneprine 0.20 (range <0.5)

normetanephrine 0.55 (range <.90)

I thought he also did urine catecholomines but can't find the

results. If he did, I guess everything was OK because he said

the " nodule " on my left adrenal was not producing any hormones.

Fran

>

>

> In a message dated 8/20/06 1:57:34 PM, frand.2@... writes:

>

>

> > The next

> > time I check my bp and have one of those sweating spells right

after,

> > I will check it later and see if it goes down. But it will just be

> > luck to catch it before the sweating starts.

> >

>

> Rarely a pheo only secretes too much NE during a spell. Has anyone

had you

> collect a urine for catecholamines during and after a spell?

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim,

I know you can hear that sound if you lay your ear against a pillow

but not that loud - not loud enough to wake you up from a sound

sleep. Before I was on spiro, ER docs heard a bruit and I had scans

of the carotid artery but they didn't find anything. When I told my

primary about it, he couldn't hear it. It seems that it only heppens

when my bp is extremely high. Every time I went to the ER with very

high bp (235/110+) I was taking a bp RX that seemed to be driving it

up. It happened both times I took ACE inhibitors and twice when I

was taking clonidine.

Fran

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>

> In a message dated 8/20/06 2:02:21 PM, frand.2@... writes:

>

>

> > Dr Grim,

> > I forgot until now that when I am not on spiro and have one of

> > these " hot flashes " my heart does pound and I remember one night I

> > was asleep and was awakened by the sound of my blood rushing thru

the

> > veins in my head. I don't know if my pulse was any faster or not,

> > just that it scared me to death.

> >

> > Fran

> >

>

> This sound can be heard by many people if they lay with their ear

against a

> pillow. Next time you see your primary be sure he listens over

your next for

> bruits---if that has not been done in the last year.

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>