Re: Re: sweating, PA & thyroid

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In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am just

not sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp or

becuase of something else.

Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do this several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been tested for pheochromocytoma?

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/4/06 12:49:47 PM, farahbar@... writes:

Dr. Grim,

I am also having severe sweating. Being on Spiro only for about a year now it appears the sweating is getting worse. I've been monitoring my bp and immediately after the seating my bp has actually been on the low side. HR no change. Checked my glucose during the sweating episodes and the blood sugar has always been under 100. I dont have diabetes.

Could this be a side effect of spiro?

 

Thank,

Farah

Have not encountered this with Spiro., but have not specifically asked about it in my followup with women on it. Need to add it I would think.

Remind me of how old you are and a what age your mother and sisters went thru menopause and what Sx they had.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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Dr. Grim,

I am also having severe sweating. Being on Spiro only for about a year now it appears the sweating is getting worse. I've been monitoring my bp and immediately after the seating my bp has actually been on the low side. HR no change. Checked my glucose during the sweating episodes and the blood sugar has always been under 100. I dont have diabetes.

Could this be a side effect of spiro?

Thank,

Farah

On 8/4/06, lowerbp2@... <lowerbp2@...> wrote:

In a message dated 8/4/06 9:28:20 AM, toniab_13@... writes:

I don't know if any of this helped with your questions. I am justnot sure if I am so hot and sweat so much becuase of the high bp or

becuase of something else.Please take your BP when you are sweating and your heart rate. Do this several times. Have you had low K problems. Have you ever been tested for pheochromocytoma?

May your pressure be low!C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressureand the Physiology and History of Survival DuringHard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/4/06 1:50:35 PM, toniab_13@... writes:

My Mom was not really

sick, except for high cholesterol, until her mid-50s when her

smoking caught up with her and her heart.

As the above notes calling someone not really sick who smokes and has high cholesterol is one of the biggest myths we have today. Her blood vessels had been getting sicker and sicker since she started smoking and if the high cholesterol was present in grade school, which it in many famillies, she had early blood vessel disease when she was a teenager.

Smoking brings on heart attacks in those with high cholesterol about 20 years earlier that if they did not smoke. So anyone who smokes now or who has ever smoked has sick blood vessels now. Stopping slows the sickness down and after 20 years of stopping they may be back to where the are for people of your age who have never smoked-if you and your blood vessels last that long.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/5/06 8:08:08 PM, toniab_13@... writes:

So, in comparison between my Mom's states of

living, she was not "sick" before her mid-50s.

Recon its all in the interpretation. Recall that heart disease is not an normal human condition. It only develops when we

1. feed or exercise our genome incorrectly and/or

2. we were made wrong (bad genes) and/or

3. we made bad choices (smoking) and/or

4. we have worn out (from 1,2 and 3)

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/20/06 11:31:31 AM, frand.2@... writes:

He showed me a chart of the body's "channels"

and one of them goes up the spine, across the back of the head and

down the other side of the spine, exactly where I feel the heat. He

says I have liver and kidney deficiency. I have had 7 treatments now

and the sweating seems to be a getting better. I can tolerate the

heat better. I will post more on the results of accupuncture later.

These charts have never been tested in any scientific way to document that they tell anyone anything. They are good for the practiioners pocket book however. Ask for some studies in reputable journals that show they help.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/20/06 1:39:57 PM, frand.2@... writes:

Tonia,

I forgot to mention that I also have underactive thyroid but it is OK

on synthroid. Thyroid shouldn't cause sweating unless it is

overactive. When my bp suddenly shot up in May 99 and I was having a

lot of hot flashes and sweating, I thought my thyroid was overactive

(at the time I was on 75 mg Synthroid). I asked my primary (only dr

at that time) what the thyroid was doing. He looked at my chart and

said he didn't check it last year and he didn't check it then

either. A few days later, I asked to be admitted to the hosp for my

bp (240/110) and when they checked my TSH, it was over 8 so it

definately wasn't my thryoid.

Dont know what is normal for this lab--but, if high, seems to suggest that your thyroid was low which can also cause high BP.

I also get very tired and sometimes I just have to take a nap only to

wake up 10 minutes later with a "hot flash" and sweating. After that

I am no longer tired. I have tried for years to associate it with my

bp and I think it jumps up just BEFORE the hot flash and then goes

down after. I tried to find readings but didn't usually write down

when I was sweating. I know I have just happened to check it a few

times and it was real high (160s) and then the heat started within a

couple of minutes. Stress or anger will also trigger a "hot flash".

No one in my family has anything like this either.

I would ask about migraine headache syndromes-with your primary.

I do not have any

sisters but my mother died at the age of 93. She was overweight for

over 45 years and had high bp for a good number of those years. She

never had anything like the sweating and said she never had any

problems with menopause, she just quit having periods when she was in

her early 50s. If anyone is interested, she has 2 sisters still

living who have also been overweight most of their lives. One is 93

and the other is 91 and both have congestive heart failure that

developed around age 90. Non of them ever had anything like the

sweating I am having.

Got some good genes there it sounds like.

Did they ever have K problems?

I have found that I cannot tolerate anything on my arms or legs. I

even notice a difference between tank tops and tee shirts. I rarely

use my car heater in the winter and often drive with a window down.

I am single and retired so I can do whatever I want. About 3 1/2

years ago, I was wearing sheatshirts in Dec then we had a warm week

so I went back to tee shirts. The next week it was cold again and I

found I could not tolerate sweatshirts. It is definately something

very mysterious and a horrible thing to live with. It keeps me from

doing a lot of things I would like to do, like joining clubs or even

walking.

Sounds like you have an autonomic nervous system problem. Have you ever been tested for this?

Sorry, my messages always seem to be long. What are your CL and

sodium levels? My cl is just below the range and sodium is toward

the bottom of the range.

Fran

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> >

> > In a message dated 7/31/06 6:58:24 PM, toniab_13@ writes:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Does any or all high blood pressure meds cause excessive

> sweating? I

> > > don't think I have hyperhidrosis becuase I don't recall

sweating

> so

> > > much before the past year and a half (and it isn't on my feet

or

> my

> > > palms -- it is everywhere else). I've been on spiro for several

> > > years, but all the other medications I've been on for at least

8

> years

> > > before the sweating began. I was wondering if any of the

> medications

> > > can cause thyroid problems that might lead to excessive

> sweating? I

> > > think I am just at a point where doctors are like which came

> first --

> > > Tonia or the problems. I am only 31, so I keep getting doubtful

> looks

> > > that I am going through menopause, but I have terrible sweats at

> > > night. I wake up drenched and uncomfortable, even though it is

> very

> > > cool in my house and I have the ceiling fan on! Is this just

> > > something that is caused by the high blood pressure itself or

> could it

> > > be a combination of things, including my weight? Any help or

> advice

> > > would be great! I just feel very abnormal and starting to be

> > > embarrassed by how much I sweat.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > > Tonia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > What else happens when you sweat. BP go up or down, headaches,

> fast or slow

> > heart rate? Family Hx of this problem?

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> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

>

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/20/06 1:57:34 PM, frand.2@... writes:

The next

time I check my bp and have one of those sweating spells right after,

I will check it later and see if it goes down. But it will just be

luck to catch it before the sweating starts.

Rarely a pheo only secretes too much NE during a spell. Has anyone had you collect a urine for catecholamines during and after a spell?

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/20/06 2:02:21 PM, frand.2@... writes:

Dr Grim,

I forgot until now that when I am not on spiro and have one of

these "hot flashes" my heart does pound and I remember one night I

was asleep and was awakened by the sound of my blood rushing thru the

veins in my head. I don't know if my pulse was any faster or not,

just that it scared me to death.

Fran

This sound can be heard by many people if they lay with their ear against a pillow. Next time you see your primary be sure he listens over your next for bruits---if that has not been done in the last year.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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In a message dated 8/28/06 8:55:34 AM, wendy4ben@... writes:

hi am wendy i have conns snydrome i sweating spells all the time and lots

of other things 2

Give us as much details as you can. Read old files and stories of Conn's to get an outline of how to proceed.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

hi am wendy i have conns snydrome i sweating spells all the time and lots

of other things 2

>From: " pagirl1946 " <frand.2@...>

>Reply-hyperaldosteronism

>hyperaldosteronism

>Subject: Re: sweating, PA & thyroid

>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:16:10 -0000

>

>Dr. Grim,

>I am not sure what you mean by after a spell. I have had these

>spells every day of my life for the past 7 years and they are

>gradually getting worse. I have had many 24 hour urine collections

>during that time. Dr. Carey tested my plasma metanephrines and the

>results were:

>

>metaneprine 0.20 (range <0.5)

>normetanephrine 0.55 (range <.90)

>

>I thought he also did urine catecholomines but can't find the

>results. If he did, I guess everything was OK because he said

>the " nodule " on my left adrenal was not producing any hormones.

>

>Fran

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> > In a message dated 8/20/06 1:57:34 PM, frand.2@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > The next

> > > time I check my bp and have one of those sweating spells right

>after,

> > > I will check it later and see if it goes down. But it will just be

> > > luck to catch it before the sweating starts.

> > >

> >

> > Rarely a pheo only secretes too much NE during a spell. Has anyone

>had you

> > collect a urine for catecholamines during and after a spell?

> >

> >

> >

> > May your pressure be low!

> >

> > C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

> > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> > and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> > Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/27/06 3:23:31 PM, frand.2@... writes:

Dr. Grim,

I know you can hear that sound if you lay your ear against a pillow

but not that loud - not loud enough to wake you up from a sound

sleep. Before I was on spiro, ER docs heard a bruit and I had scans

of the carotid artery but they didn't find anything. When I told my

primary about it, he couldn't hear it. It seems that it only heppens

when my bp is extremely high. Every time I went to the ER with very

high bp (235/110+) I was taking a bp RX that seemed to be driving it

up. It happened both times I took ACE inhibitors and twice when I

was taking clonidine.

Fran

Some thin ladys have a venous humm that sounds like a bruit when the neck is in a certain positon or the steth is pressed too hard. Goes away whenn pressing softly about the stehtocsope to block venous flow

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/27/06 3:17:38 PM, frand.2@... writes:

I thought he also did urine catecholomines but can't find the

results. If he did, I guess everything was OK because he said

the "nodule" on my left adrenal was not producing any hormones.

They why was your renin low and your aldo not. See my article.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/27/06 3:05:08 PM, frand.2@... writes:

I have been to several neurologists and find them totally worthless.

I told them all of my symptoms and none of them ever said anything

about autonomic nervous system disorder. I gave up on them years

ago. They didn't know what was causing the problems but had drugs

that they thought would treat them. The drugs aggrevated the pain

and numbness in my feet. That is why I turned to acupuncture because

DOCTORS ARE NOT HELPING ME!!!

OK keep good track of how you are doing and its relatiohship to treatments over time. Maybe it will help.

May your pressure be low!

C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D.

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.