Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Hi Gordon You have a few things going on. As far as Endos I wish you luck on your new dr. Two many of them told me I was fine. grrrr I have been through 6 endos in the last year. One of which I had a almost to yelling visit with Endo#6 last week as to the condition i am in and why?. She didnt even have the recent CCP she ordered. Her nurse calls me A week later it showed below range K+, low range NA+ It would have been nice to know at the time of the visit. I also have a adrenal adenoma. I get results of labs next week on aldosterone & renin.I hope this is my problem. Any way do tell what your visit is with the new Endo and good luck. Regards ita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 In a message dated 6/17/06 1:44:55 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: Greetings OK I have my first appt with the new Endo on Friday and I want to get this off on the right foot. I will be submitting a rather thick med record on Monday that has all the info on me. My Neph who is also my primary will aslo be submitting his notes to the new Endo prior to the appt. And there will be fresh labs, I will post those when I get them. The following is a mini history. The patient has a history of hypertension for an unknown duration. Were you born with it or what. when was it first detected and how? He knows of systolic pressures of 210 in the not so distant past with diastolics in the mid 100's. He had been treated with a variety of antihypertensive agents and has reasonable good control of his blood pressure now with systolics in the 140 to 160 range on three medications. and the meds are? What kind of problems did he have with other meds? There has been some juggling of his medications of late to facilitate the work up of possible hyperaldosteronism but he is currently taking Coreg 25mg twice a day, Klonidine .1mg twice a day and Norvasc 10mg once a day. He also takes supplemental potassium of 40 meq daily because of spontaneous hypokalemia with levels as low as approximately 2.5. What other Sx were associated with the low K? What was going on that it was so low! More recently he has gotten those up into the mid three range with supplementation as I mentioned. An abdominal CT was obtained and revealed focal thickening of the right distal limb of the adrenal gland which could have represented a small functioning adenoma. The radiology team recommended an MRI which was preformed, this showed a 1.2 by 1.3 cm lesion which did not drop out of phase and was consistent with an adenoma. When his serum aldosterone level was checked it was 26 which is quite high in somebody who has hypertension and hypokalemia but his plasma renin activity was 3.4 and therefore the ratio of aldo to PRA was not greater than 20 and therefore not absolutely diagnostic for hyperaldosteronism. Please give the normals for this lab. It is PRA or renin direct? What was he on when these were drawn? The elevated PRA could have been due to the ACE inhibitor that was on at the time and so at my recommendation you stopped that medication for several weeks and followed up with retesting. On retesting he had an aldosterone of 52 with a PRA of .5 giving him a ratio of 104 clearly putting him in the range of hyperaldosteronism. We then tried a high salt suppression test which he did by taking oral salt tablets as well as salting his food. The adequacy of this was determined by 24 hr urine collection which showed almost 400 meq of sodium being excreted in his urine per day, clearly a massive sodium load was obtained. Well about what many Finns eat but good job. In this setting his 24hr aldosterone level only dropped to 13 micrograms which is well above the six microgram cut off one would expect for that sort of salt load. Other investigators use a cut off at slightly higher up to 12 micrograms, but by either criteria, he clearly demonstrates nonsuppressability and therefore by definition has primary hyperaldosteronism. Certainly has personal hyperaldosteronism and indeed I would say group hyperaldosteronism See Dr. Grim's article on the evolution of PA. The issue at this time is whether the adenoma on the right is the source of the problem, it seems likely that this is the case. In fact studies have shown that in patients over the age of 40 the incidence of non-function adrenal nodules is high enough that one can be fooled and there have been studies which have shown that patients with characteristics very much like the subjects who do have a lateralizing nodule in fact have bilateral source of their excess hormone secretion which would not be treated surgically but would in fact be treated with spironolactone. Therefore I think in a man of his age it is reasonable to lateralize him first. That is why I am recommending adrenal venous sampling. If he dose show lateralization of his aldosterone levels this would lead me to refer him for laparoscopic adrenalectomy. If in fact he does not lateralize on the venous sampling we will treat him with aldactone as I mentioned. The AVS should be done during ACTH infusion. This was dated 16APR03 Results of cortisol and aldosterone levels have returned and have indicated a successful cannulation of both adrenal veins. The exact values are in the OMR but the final aldosterone levels show 6031 on the right versus 2041 on the left. This is a 3:1 ratio which is uncorrected for the typical diluation on the left which is seen because of the addition of the left inferior phrenic vein which adds into the left adrenal vein. Normally this is corrected by the cortisol values. However the cortisol values were not measured precisely but rather were recorded just as greater than 63. Ask the lab to dilute them and run them again. The lab must not be used to doing adrenal vein studies if they did not dilute it and run it again. I would refuse to pay. Therefore we have borderline lateralization. If anything the lateralization is less significant when the dilution factor is taken into account. I have consulted on this issue. The conversation confirms that it is impossible to tell at this point whether the right lesion seen on CT and MRI is responsible for the hyperaldosteronism. Therefore we will try medical therapy first, 50mf of aldactone following blood pressure and potassium closely and adjusting other blood pressure medications downward as necessary. If we get complete remission of hypertension on this or slightly higher dose of aldactone, that can be considered a diagnostic test, indicating aldosterone producing adenoma and I would recommend right adrenalectomy. If we get partial correction of his hypertension with aldactone, that is more consistent with idiopathic hyperaldosteronism from a bilateral source and we will continue with medical therapy. It was also discussed that sometimes surgical debulking is recommended of one adrenal in order to bring the hypertensive load down to more manageable levels, so regardless of the outcome of medical therapy, it is possible that we will pursue surgical therapy. I would push Sprio up to 400 and or use Inspar is Spiro did not work. The other drugs he is on do not usually work well in PA. See my article. Calculation Cortisol [R] 0- 22.1 / 5min >63 / 30min >63 [L] 0- 27.2 / 5min >63 / 30min >63 IVC 0- 3.4 / 5 min 9.6 / 30 min 18.8 Aldo [R] 0- 79 / 5min 4575 / 30min 6031 [L] 0- 122 / 5min 1674 / 30min 2041 IVC 0- 4 / 5min 15 / 30min 31 `Borderline lateralization' Gordon has recovered well from his bilateral adrenal vein sampling. We spent a long time discussing what our plan will be. Currently I have him on 50mg of aldactone. He is still on Coreg 12.5mg daily, Norvasc 10mg and clonidine0.1 mg a day, in addition to 40 meq of potassium. My plan today is to check potassium and I will call him with that number tomorrow. We will adjust his potassium if necessary. Regardless we will increase his aldactone to 100mg a day. I have given him a prescription for that and I would like to discontinue his Coreg, which would get rid of one of his medications and probably the most likely defender with respect to the ED. My plan is to push the Aldactone as high as need be, trying to wean him off first Coreg, then the Norvasc and finally the clonidine. We will decide based on how easy this plan is whether or not to go for a debulking operation to his adrenals. We have essentially settled on a diagnosis of bilateral adrenal hyperplasia since he did not lateralize at his adrenal vein sampling. Meds Spironolactone 150mg Tricor 145mg Diovan 80mg Norvasc 10mg [all in the AM] I was discharged from military service in 1990 and sought no medical attention until one night there was blood in my semen. What was your BP at discharge? Please get if from the VA or miliatry. You did not mention family Hx of HTN or low K. I was seen by my wife's Primary Dr. right away and she stopped the exam after listening to my heart and BP it was well over 220/110. A Echocardiogram was ordered and showed a ejection fraction of less than 16% and a fair amount of damage. Enter my Cardiologist who worked with the primary, I was put on a host of meds to bring down the BP. By this time the labs were back and I did not fall into any of the usual situations. Enter my Endocrinologist who is a Professor at Harvard Medical School. He ordered a Cat scan which picked up "focal thickening of the right distal limb of the adrenal gland. Then came the MRI which confirmed the cat scan. The lesion measured 1.2 x 1.3 cm. Venous sampling was next as was a salt load test. Between the three of them I was taking nine meds. But over time I was weaned off most of them. I achieved stability, BP in the 110/50 range, EF had risen to 55%, on the down side ED had become part of my life which Viagra helped. Classical response to Spirnolactone. Now I have relocated to Florida and it is time for my annual follow up. My new Endocrinologist is not pleased with the new labs, seems that my kidneys are taking a beating I have a GFR of 39 and falling, a appointment with a kidney specialist is next week. Do a 24 hr urine collection. Get all your old creatinine values. In the past month, I have lost most of my sense of taste, my hands and legs are starting to swell ever so slightly, there is a slight heaviness in my chest, my urine has turned clear and I keep dropping things. And the BP is on the rise 138/75 with a spike of 155/85. I was hospitalized over 2005 Thanksgiving weekend, chest pains and shortness of breath sent me to the ER, the suspected root cause in my mind was the stress in my life at that point in time. I was living with a lesbian who was "trying" to go "straight" and was unsucessful. The following is from the hospital records for that stay Kidney consultation report. Assessment and Plan 1. Primary hyperaldosteronism with hypertension. 2. His blood pressure in the ER today was 153/87, and his temperature was 100.5. The patient has been evaluated by Cardiology services. Most likely the patient has chronic kidney disease which is worsening secondary to hypertensive nephrosclerosis. In light of the fact that he has suspected metabolically active right adrenal adenoma, he may benefit from laparoscopic resection of the adenoma from several perspectives: 1] There may be a 50% chance his blood pressure will improve; 2] if the adenoma is left in place, he may have worsening cardiac fibrosis by the effects of the hyperaldosteronism, which has been shown by the Rales study; 3] there is concern that if the patient has persistent hypertension for many more years, he will most likely have worsening renal function which may lead to end-stage renal disease developing to the necessity of dialysis. We will need to obtain the most recent CT scan of the adrenal glands and I will also be checking a 24 hour urine for aldosterone levels. This will help us to evaluate whether the patient would benefit from right adrenal adenoma resection. Furthermore, the patient does have mild hypercalcemia, which is 10.2. Will also check an intact PTH level. In addition, the patient did have mildly elevated TSH level 5.10, T3 level was normal at 30.9, his T4 level was normal at 9.6. Currently the patient does have a low blood pressure, therefor, I will not be increasing his Diovan or his Aldactone, I would stop the Diovan as it does not work in PA. According to the patient, he is considering the option of resection of an adenoma if the work up indicates that it is required. The patient, in spite of having mildly low blood pressure, he is asymptomatic and has no complaints at this time. Will repeat his blood pressure. He may benefit from lowering his blood pressure medications in terms of dosage if he persistently has low blood pressure. The most recent blood pressure level was 87/50. This is the most likely reason for the "worsening of renal function" Labs 28NOV05 @ 0500 26NOV05 @ 2013 Chemistry Glucose 111 119 Bun 37 35 Creatinine 1.9 2.3 Sodium 135 135 Potassium 4.1 3.7 Chloride 100 101 CO2 24 22 Calcium 9.5 10.8 Phosphorus 3.4 Magnesium 1.7 Alt [gpt] 35 Ast [got] 39 Alk Phos 44 Bilirubin total 0.5 Albumin 4.2 Total Protein 7.8 Hematology Wbc 6.8 7.4 Rbc 4.41 4.79 Hgb 13.9 15.0 Hct 40.4 44.1 Mcv 91.6 92.0 Mch 31.6 31.3 Mchc 34.5 34.0 Rdw 12.6 12.4 Platelet 234 255 Mpv 9.0 8.7 Differential Segs 50 51 Lymphocyte 34 36 Monocyte 10 9 Eosinophil 6 4 Basophils 0 0 Cardiac consult Additional lab info D-dimer is 0.09, troponin less than 0.04, myoglobin 156, cpk 868, cpk-mb 4.2, inr 1.1, ptt 28.7 Ekg demonstrates sinus rhythm, with frequent premature ventricular contractions, T wave inversions in the lateral leads, possible lateral ischemia. Chest x-ray reveals cardiomegaly. MOst likely due to low cardiac K. Impression 1. Exertional chest pain and shortness of breath. Symptoms are suggestive of angina. Patient has a history of negative stress test in March 2005 and a normal ejection fraction in March 2005. 2. History of dilated cardiomyopathy with normalization of left ventricular function. Classic for severe HTN and PA. 3. Frequent premature ventricular contractions. 4. Cardiac enzymes consistent with rhabdomyolysis. Most likley due to low K. 5. History of severe hypertension. 6. Primary hyperaldosteronism with complete workup in the past. 7. Chronic renal failure. Recommendations 1. Acute chest pain protocol, labs, and telemetry monitoring. have you ever had an angiogram of the heart? 2. Check thyroid function tests. 3. Check brain natriuretic peptide level. 4. Will treat patient with aspirin, IV nitroglycerin, beta blocker, and renally adjusted Lovenox. 5. Would discontinue Tricor as this is a possible etiology of rhabdomyolysis. 6.Will check 2d echocardiogram. 7. Exercise treadmill, Myoview stress test, risk of cardiac catheterization based on clinical course. MRI The liver is homogeneous as is the spleen. The left adrenal gland is unremarkable. A 1cm nodule is noted along the medial limb of the right adrenal gland which remains stable in size when compared with report of the examination of 12DEC03 [CAT] and 13 JAN03 [MRI]. There is a lack of signal drop out of phase T1 imaging being atypical for a benign lesion. However, it is felt to be benign due to lack of interval change and is likely the expression of a adenoma. The kidneys are unremarkable. No pancreatic mass is seen. No abdominal aortic aneurysm or retroperitoneal adenopathy is noted at the level scanned. No abdominal ascites is seen. There is no dilatation of the biliary tree nor of the pancreatic duct. Renal Untrasound Right kidney measures 10.7cm in length. Left kidney measures 10.1cm in length There is a cresccentic right perinephric fluid collection of uncertian etiology. No calculus or hydronephrosis is identified. Have you ever been injured in the kidneys? or had hematuria? The visualized portions of the intraabdominal aorta and intrahepatic IVC are grossly unremarkable. The spleen measures 12.8cm in length. Impression: Indeterminate small right perinephric fluid collection. Hematoma? Since the hospital stay the changes have been: Weight gain of +40 lbs Most likley due to Norvasc?? Edema in arms and legs ED, 100mg Viagra uneffective Current meds: Inspra 50mg (am/pm), Nifedical XL 30mg (am), Valsartan 160mg (am), Hydrochlorothiazide 12.5mg (am) BP average is 130/90 After repeated requests to write scripts for lab work so I could be monitored were ignored, I fired my Endo. I gave my Neph the PA info as suggested by Dr. Grim and was told that it was interesting but that he was going to continue my present treatment. And no labs have been ordered by anyone since the hospital stay, until I told my Neph that I have an appt with the new Endo. So what questions do you all suggest I ask for this first appt? Why did you gain the 40 lbs? Is it OK if I start the DASH diet? This will markedly reduce your need for BP meds. Review my family Hx with me to be sure I dont have GRA. Consider doing genetic test but the Harvard guy should have done that-esp if anyone in famly has had HTN or early heart disease. Keep us postee. You clearly have Primary Aldo. Bumps on the adrenal are seen in GRA as well. I would not do repeat AVS unless things cant be controlled with meds and DASH. I am not sure you have had a good trial of DASHing and good medical management. You should have a 24 hr urine collected on your current diet to see how much salt you are eating-esp hidden salt. Keep us posted. Gordon May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Do we have a complete ita's story yet? May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 I can barely walk when my TSH gets to 4.0. I now keep it at about 1.00. In 2002, the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists recommended an upper cut-off TSH = 3.00 as indicative of hypothyroidism or subclinical hypothyroidism. The association that represents laboratory members recommended an even lower cut-off level (I think it was about 2.5 but can't find the article right now). There is disagreement as to what TSH level should be reached before treatment is initiated. Certainly, you should get your antibodies measured. While you obviously have much other going on, your thyroid function should not be dismissed. See http://www.aace.com/pub/positionstatements/subclinical.php Val -----Original Message-----From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]On Behalf Of gnenjnj TSH level 5.10 Weight gain of +40 lbsEdema in arms and legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 In a message dated 6/18/06 12:17:36 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: Here are aditional notes and letters while I was being brought under control. Cardiologist notes: We started him on a ACE inhibition and beta blockade. He devoled a cough with the ACE. This was also discontinued because he is in the process of a work up for Secondary hypertension. He comes to the office reporting intermittent fatigue and ED while on the increased dose of Carvedilol. ACEs and BB dont work in Primary aldo. See my article and take it to this Cards EKG demonstrates normal sinus rhythm with left atrial abnormality, normal axis and intervals. There was no change when compared with the prior other than a shower heart rate. My inpression is that Gordon is doing relatively well albeit still poor BP control. The optimal goal will be to eventually get him on a ARB, for now I have taken the liberty of starting him on Norvasc 10mg qd ARBS dont work either in PA see my article and take to this Dr. Dated 25FEB03 EKG demonstrated normal sinus rhythm, with normal axis, prolonged PR interval, and t-wave inversion in leads 1, and AVL. These are unchanged from his prior. The left atrial abnormality and prominent voltage, noted on previous EKG's are not present at this time. With regard to his heart I believe he is doing better. Though somewhat fatigued, I believe this to be related to the beta blockade and/or reduction in circulating epinephrine levels. Nevertheless the inprovement in the left atrial abnormality and voltage suggest to me that some component of the elevated filling pressures and/or heart dilation has inproved. The most imperative intervention from my standpoint is to increase his beta blockade and add ACE inhibition to further continue and improve remodeling of his heart. My hope is that this can occur expeditiously as soon as the issue surrounding the possible adrenalectomy are ironed out. Once again these drugs do not work in PA. Dated 02MAY03 Additional letter from my orginal ENDO: Gordon has been experiencing a bump in his creatinine levels. On 24MAR03 it was 0.9 and in APR03 it rose to 1.1 and in MAY03 it was at 1.2 and at the end of MAY04 1.4. On 17JUN03 he was strady at 1.4 this was accompanied by a BUN that has ranged from 26 to 29 and a potassium level that has been steady at 4.4. BP measurments range from 130/70 to 160/80 the 160 bump may reflect rebound hypertension after discontinuing his Clonidine. My impression is that we are in a little bit of a bind. If the rising creatinine is just a temporary bump due to dehydration due to overzealous Aldactone administration, then that is fine. We can watch over time and hope it resolves. However if it limits us in pushing the aldcatone up then it going to be very difficult to treat his hypertension medically, and we are going to have to consider a surgical debulking operation which may or may not be efficacious. Dont know any data on debulking procedures. Ask for references to published articles. There certainly is no literature on the subject, although this is current pratice in certian cases performed by a Dr. at the Mayo Clinic who is the worlds expert on this condition. I know that the Caridologist wants to add an ACE inhibitor. However on the face of his rising creatinine right now, I do not think that would be wise. His Coreg is also causing problems with fatigue and ED. However I certainly understand the Cardiologist' ED. However I ce that medication on board. Ultimately of course we are going to have to balance all of our competing interests and desires as specialist to come up with the best regimen for Gordon whatever that may be. Dated 25JUN03 Cardiologist letter: As we are all aware Gordon continues to be a difficult case. There is no "correct" medical regimen that will adequately treat both his cardiomyopathy which is likely due to hypertension and adrenal excess, and the adrenal hyperplasia itself while at the same time have no serious side effects. Well yes there is. It is called mineralocorticoid blockade with Spriro or Inspar. Take him my article Along these lines BP control is obviously of paramount importance. He has had suboptimal control with BP ranging in the most part between 130 occasionally 170. The aldosterone does not seem to be sufficient and he seems to have some mild renal dysfunction which may or may not have been related to this agent. One may question the need for an ACE inhibitor in a patient where renin levels are suppressed or normal (as has been demonstrated in his case) and whether heart failure trial results are truly applicable to him. Good he his thinking. However the vascular protective effects that are independent of BP control with this class of medication are well established and the lesser defined mechanisms to inprove mycardial remodeling, possibly mediated through the bradykkinin axis, may be of paramount import in long term improvement in left ventricular systolic function for him. Humbug. You treat heart failure by treating the cause, In your case it it aldo and salt. In summary, if his kidneys can tolerate it with only a small increase in creatinine, I think the beneficial effects of this medication, as far as vascular protection, mycardial remodeling, and possibly even BP control (if there is some component of renin- angiotensin activation) is important. Certainly his morbidity in the coming years will be related mainly to complications of his mycardial dysfunction, including overt congestive symptoms and possibly even future arrhythmic events since it apprears as though he only has adrenal hyperplasia. I do believe that it is possible to control his BP medically and that ACE inhibitor should be part od this strategy. But it wont work. The same holds true for his beta blocker, but the benefit is even less theoretical and there is supportive data that more substantial. It is the only class of medication that has been shown to lead to improvement in ejection fraction in those with myopathic ventricles. Again, his morbidity and longevity will not be measured, in my estmation, by adrenal hyperplasia since the conversion to malignancy is rare and not altered by any specific medical therapy. Instead, his low ejection fraction is a well known surrogate marker for inpared survival and anything that we can do to improve this will hopefully improve his long term survival. We must, however, balance the use of this medication with his quality of life at the Endo has pointed out, especially in light of his ED. I also wonder if the anti-androgen effect of the sprro may also be a contributor to the ED. Dated 28JUL03 Endo progress note: BP of 138/80 with a pulse of 68, This is a little higherthan I would prefer and I suspect the Cardiologist would prefer, so I have increased his Aldactone from 100mg to 150mg a day. I am also going to check his testosterone given his presistant ED even off beta blocker. Certainly the other antihypertensive drugs could be contributing, although it is formally possible that he could be mildly hypogonadal as well. Dated 11FEB04 Good. It is most likely tghe BB. would not do testoterone by an Endo would. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 In a message dated 6/18/06 1:02:15 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: Orginal Echocardiogram 31DEC02 Left Atrium: the feft atrium is markedly dilated. Right Atrium/Interatrial Septum: The right atrium is mildly dilated. Left Ventricle: the left ventricular cavity is moderately dilated. There is severe global left ventricular hypokinesis. Overall left ventricular systolic function is severely depressed. Right Ventricle: The right ventricular cavity is mildly dilated. Right ventricular systolic function apprears depressed. Aorta: The aortic root is normal in diameter. Aortic Valve: The aortiv valve leaflets (3) appear structurally normal with good leaflet excursion and no aortic regurgitation. Mitral Valve: The mitral valve leaflets are mildly thickened. Moderate (2+) mitral regurgitation is seen. (Due to acoustic shadowing, the severity of mitral regurgitation may be significantly UNDERestimated. Tricuspid Valve: Mild tricuspid (1+) regurgitation is seen. There is moderate pulmonary artery systolic hypertension. Pulmonic Valve/Pulmonary Artery: The pulmonic valve leaflets appear structurally normal with physiologic pulmonic regurgitation. Pericardium: There is no pericardial effusion. L Atruim long axis 6.0cm L Atrium four chamber length 6.7cm R Atrium four chamber length 6.2cm L Ventricle septal wall thickness 1.1cm L Ventricle inferolateral thickness 1.1cm L Ventricle diastolic dimention 6.7cm L Ventricle systolic dimension 5.6cm L Ventricle fractional shorting 0.16 L Ventricle ejection fraction less than 20% Aorta valve level 3.6cm Aorta ascending 3.0cm Mitral valve E wave 1.4 m/sec Mitral valve A wave 0.4 m/sec Mitral valve E/A ratio 3.50 Mitral valve E wave deceleration time 110msec TR gradient (+RA = PASP) 54 mm Hg Current EF is 55% as the Echo showed while in the Hosp NOV05 What was your BP at the first study? and K? May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 We have had at least one other person on our site with severe CHF that reversed with proper Dx. From Cincinatti as I recall. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Hi Gordon, The first thing I would ask is, how familiar are you with PA and how many patients have you treated with it. Good luck, a > > > Greetings > > OK I have my first appt with the new Endo on Friday and I want to get > this off on the right foot. I will be submitting a rather thick med > record on Monday that has all the info on me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Here are aditional notes and letters while I was being brought under control. Cardiologist notes: We started him on a ACE inhibition and beta blockade. He devoled a cough with the ACE. This was also discontinued because he is in the process of a work up for Secondary hypertension. He comes to the office reporting intermittent fatigue and ED while on the increased dose of Carvedilol. EKG demonstrates normal sinus rhythm with left atrial abnormality, normal axis and intervals. There was no change when compared with the prior other than a shower heart rate. My inpression is that Gordon is doing relatively well albeit still poor BP control. The optimal goal will be to eventually get him on a ARB, for now I have taken the liberty of starting him on Norvasc 10mg qd Dated 25FEB03 EKG demonstrated normal sinus rhythm, with normal axis, prolonged PR interval, and t-wave inversion in leads 1, and AVL. These are unchanged from his prior. The left atrial abnormality and prominent voltage, noted on previous EKG's are not present at this time. With regard to his heart I believe he is doing better. Though somewhat fatigued, I believe this to be related to the beta blockade and/or reduction in circulating epinephrine levels. Nevertheless the inprovement in the left atrial abnormality and voltage suggest to me that some component of the elevated filling pressures and/or heart dilation has inproved. The most imperative intervention from my standpoint is to increase his beta blockade and add ACE inhibition to further continue and improve remodeling of his heart. My hope is that this can occur expeditiously as soon as the issue surrounding the possible adrenalectomy are ironed out. Dated 02MAY03 Additional letter from my orginal ENDO: Gordon has been experiencing a bump in his creatinine levels. On 24MAR03 it was 0.9 and in APR03 it rose to 1.1 and in MAY03 it was at 1.2 and at the end of MAY04 1.4. On 17JUN03 he was strady at 1.4 this was accompanied by a BUN that has ranged from 26 to 29 and a potassium level that has been steady at 4.4. BP measurments range from 130/70 to 160/80 the 160 bump may reflect rebound hypertension after discontinuing his Clonidine. My impression is that we are in a little bit of a bind. If the rising creatinine is just a temporary bump due to dehydration due to overzealous Aldactone administration, then that is fine. We can watch over time and hope it resolves. However if it limits us in pushing the aldcatone up then it going to be very difficult to treat his hypertension medically, and we are going to have to consider a surgical debulking operation which may or may not be efficacious. There certainly is no literature on the subject, although this is current pratice in certian cases performed by a Dr. at the Mayo Clinic who is the worlds expert on this condition. I know that the Caridologist wants to add an ACE inhibitor. However on the face of his rising creatinine right now, I do not think that would be wise. His Coreg is also causing problems with fatigue and ED. However I certainly understand the Cardiologist's desire to keep that medication on board. Ultimately of course we are going to have to balance all of our competing interests and desires as specialist to come up with the best regimen for Gordon whatever that may be. Dated 25JUN03 Cardiologist letter: As we are all aware Gordon continues to be a difficult case. There is no " correct " medical regimen that will adequately treat both his cardiomyopathy which is likely due to hypertension and adrenal excess, and the adrenal hyperplasia itself while at the same time have no serious side effects. Along these lines BP control is obviously of paramount importance. He has had suboptimal control with BP ranging in the most part between 130 occasionally 170. The aldosterone does not seem to be sufficient and he seems to have some mild renal dysfunction which may or may not have been related to this agent. One may question the need for an ACE inhibitor in a patient where renin levels are suppressed or normal (as has been demonstrated in his case) and whether heart failure trial results are truly applicable to him. However the vascular protective effects that are independent of BP control with this class of medication are well established and the lesser defined mechanisms to inprove mycardial remodeling, possibly mediated through the bradykkinin axis, may be of paramount import in long term improvement in left ventricular systolic function for him. In summary, if his kidneys can tolerate it with only a small increase in creatinine, I think the beneficial effects of this medication, as far as vascular protection, mycardial remodeling, and possibly even BP control (if there is some component of renin- angiotensin activation) is important. Certainly his morbidity in the coming years will be related mainly to complications of his mycardial dysfunction, including overt congestive symptoms and possibly even future arrhythmic events since it apprears as though he only has adrenal hyperplasia. I do believe that it is possible to control his BP medically and that ACE inhibitor should be part od this strategy. The same holds true for his beta blocker, but the benefit is even less theoretical and there is supportive data that more substantial. It is the only class of medication that has been shown to lead to improvement in ejection fraction in those with myopathic ventricles. Again, his morbidity and longevity will not be measured, in my estmation, by adrenal hyperplasia since the conversion to malignancy is rare and not altered by any specific medical therapy. Instead, his low ejection fraction is a well known surrogate marker for inpared survival and anything that we can do to improve this will hopefully improve his long term survival. We must, however, balance the use of this medication with his quality of life at the Endo has pointed out, especially in light of his ED. I also wonder if the anti-androgen effect of the sprro may also be a contributor to the ED. Dated 28JUL03 Endo progress note: BP of 138/80 with a pulse of 68, This is a little higherthan I would prefer and I suspect the Cardiologist would prefer, so I have increased his Aldactone from 100mg to 150mg a day. I am also going to check his testosterone given his presistant ED even off beta blocker. Certainly the other antihypertensive drugs could be contributing, although it is formally possible that he could be mildly hypogonadal as well. Dated 11FEB04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Orginal Echocardiogram 31DEC02 Left Atrium: the feft atrium is markedly dilated. Right Atrium/Interatrial Septum: The right atrium is mildly dilated. Left Ventricle: the left ventricular cavity is moderately dilated. There is severe global left ventricular hypokinesis. Overall left ventricular systolic function is severely depressed. Right Ventricle: The right ventricular cavity is mildly dilated. Right ventricular systolic function apprears depressed. Aorta: The aortic root is normal in diameter. Aortic Valve: The aortiv valve leaflets (3) appear structurally normal with good leaflet excursion and no aortic regurgitation. Mitral Valve: The mitral valve leaflets are mildly thickened. Moderate (2+) mitral regurgitation is seen. (Due to acoustic shadowing, the severity of mitral regurgitation may be significantly UNDERestimated.) Tricuspid Valve: Mild tricuspid (1+) regurgitation is seen. There is moderate pulmonary artery systolic hypertension. Pulmonic Valve/Pulmonary Artery: The pulmonic valve leaflets appear structurally normal with physiologic pulmonic regurgitation. Pericardium: There is no pericardial effusion. L Atruim long axis 6.0cm L Atrium four chamber length 6.7cm R Atrium four chamber length 6.2cm L Ventricle septal wall thickness 1.1cm L Ventricle inferolateral thickness 1.1cm L Ventricle diastolic dimention 6.7cm L Ventricle systolic dimension 5.6cm L Ventricle fractional shorting 0.16 L Ventricle ejection fraction less than 20% Aorta valve level 3.6cm Aorta ascending 3.0cm Mitral valve E wave 1.4 m/sec Mitral valve A wave 0.4 m/sec Mitral valve E/A ratio 3.50 Mitral valve E wave deceleration time 110msec TR gradient (+RA = PASP) 54 mm Hg Current EF is 55% as the Echo showed while in the Hosp NOV05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 First blood tests 23DEC02 UA color Amber Appearence U Clear Nitrite Urn Neg Glucose Urn TR Ketones Urn TR Bilirbin Ur * Urobbilnogen Neg Ph Urine 6.5 units Rbcs Micro U 3 Bacteria Urn Few Ua Yeast None Epi Cell U <1 Bg Random 115 Wbc 9.7 Rbc 5.35 M/UL Hgb 16.7 Hct 47.4 Mcv 89 Cu Micr Mch 31.3 Mchc 35.3 Rdw 14.1 Lymphct Auto 21.7% Monosct Auto 5.4% Platelets 206 K/UL 24DEC02 Bun 16 Creatinine 1.3 Sodium 142 Chloride 99 Sgpt (alt) 25 Albumin 4.0 Psa 1.9 Tsh 2.6 Sgot (ast) 26 Anion Gap 20 MEQ/L Potassium 2.8 26DEC02 Bun 20 Creatinine 1.5 Potassium 2.9 Sodium 139 Albumin 4.0 PO4 3.6 Magnesium 1.8 Calcium 9.2 Anion Gap 17 MEQ/L Chloride 99 Creatinine U 31 MG/DL BG Random 112 Urobilingen Neg EPI Cell Ur 0 Ua Yeast None Bacteria Urn Occ Rbcs Micro U 0 Ph Urine 7.0 units Bilirubin Ur Neg Appearance U Clear Nitrite Urn Neg Glucose Urn TR Ketones Urn Neg Protein Urn 83 07JAN03 Bun 22 Creatinine 1.3 Potassium 4.1 Chloride 100 Sodium 140 Anion Gap 19 MEQ/L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Stress test: heart thickening due to HTN. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 In a message dated 6/19/06 4:21:00 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: 140/60 Note both numbers end in zero so likle not a good reading. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 In a message dated 6/19/06 4:21:00 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: Family Hx. Mother was on liquid K from 1975 until 1985, and had HTN, I asked her why the K and she told me it was because of unusally heavy menstral bleeding. You may have GRA which is familial hyperaldo see my article and other info at out site. Be sure to rell your endo about your mother and need for K. It was not because she bleed too much. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Answers to questions: No past Kidney injuries. No Hematuria Weight gain due to Norvasc. I was taken off Norvasc FEB06 BP at time of discharge from USCG 1990. less than 140/60 Family Hx. Mother was on liquid K from 1975 until 1985, and had HTN, I asked her why the K and she told me it was because of unusally heavy menstral bleeding. Angiogram. No I have not had one done. BP was over 220/110 when this ordeal started. My question is what is " GRA " Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 During hosp stay the following tests were done: 28NOV05 NM Myocardial stress/rest During peak stress, 8.2 MCI TC 99M Myoview was adminstered followed by 22.7 MCI TC 99M Myoview during rest. Multigated cardiac spect imaging was preformed. Findings: there is homogeneous tracer distribution throughout the left ventricular myocardium without significant redistribution sen on the corresponding rest images. The left ventricular chamber system is unremarkable in caliber with an estimated LVEF of 63%. No signifificant cardiac wall motion abnormality is identified. Impression: No evidence fro left ventricular ischemia. Stress LVEF 63% US Echo Doppler LV Diastolic dimension 4.6cm LV Systolic dimension 2.9cm IVS 1.6cm PW 1.5cm Aortic root 3.4cm LA dimension 4.2cm The right ventricle demonstrates normal size and function. The left ventricle demonstrates normal size, moderate concentric LVH, normal systolic function, and normal distolic function. Estimated ejection fraction is 60%. No segmental wall motion abnormalities are seen. Please note that the endocardium of the basal segment of the anterior wall, the apical segment of the anterior wall, and the basal segment of the lateral wall were not visualized and no evualation of wall motion can be determined in these territories. The right atrium is normal size. The left atrium is mildly enlarged. No atrioseptiac defect is visualized on 2-D evualuation oe color flow doppler. No intracardiac masses are seen, No pericardial effusion is present. The aortic valve is trileaflet and normal in apprearance. There is no restriction to excursion. The peak gradient across the aortic valve is 4MMHG, which is within normal limits. The mitral valve is bileaflet and normal in apprearance. The pulmonic valve is normal in apprearance. The tricuspid valve is norma; in apprearance. Doppler Exam There is no aortic reguritation. There is mild, 1+ mitral regurgitation. There is mild, 1+ pulmonic reguritation, There is mild 1+ tricuspid reguritation. Estimated PA pressure not available. Impression 1. Technically difficult study 2. Normal left ventricular systolic and diastolic function. 3. No Wall motion abnormality seen. Wall motion abnormalities cannot be asertained in the territory of the basal and apical segments of the anterior wall as well as the basal segment of the lateral wall secondary to poor visualization of endocardium in these territories. 4. Moderate concentric left ventricular hypertrophy. 5. Mild left atrial enlargement. 6. Mild mitral regurgitation. 7. Mild pulmonic regurgitation. 8. Mild tricuspid regurgitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Look good to me-labs that is . May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Lab Results 20JUN06 Wbc 7.8 Rbc 5.00 Hemoglobin 15.8 Hematocrit 45.7 Mcv 91 Mch 31.7 Mchc 34.7 Rdw 14.9 Platelets 172 Neutrophols 51 Lymphs 38 Monocytes 7 Eos 4 Basos 0 Absolute Neutrophils 4.0 " Lymphs 3.0 " Monocytes 0.5 " Eos 0.3 " Baso 0.0 Gluclose 192 (not a typo) Bun 21 Creatinine 1.2 Bun/Cret ratio 18 Sodium 136 Potassium 4.0 Chloride 96 Carbon diox 27 Calicum 9.5 Protein 7.6 Albumin 4.3 Globulin 3.3 A/G ratio 1.3 Bilirubin 1.0 Alkaline Phos 83 Ast Sgot 32 Alt Sgpt 54 Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 In a message dated 6/20/06 7:35:04 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: > The gluclose @ 192 is ok? Fasting or non-fasting. Must have missed it. The fonts are coming thu very small for some reason. Anybody go any suggestions. I just reloaded AOL and it started. May your pressure be low! C.E. Grim, B.S., M.S., M.D. Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the Physiology and History of Survival During Hard Times and Heart Disease today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 > > Look good to me-labs that is . > > > The gluclose @ 192 is ok? Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > > > In a message dated 6/20/06 7:35:04 PM, syracuse46567@... writes: > > > > > The gluclose @ 192 is ok? > > > > Fasting or non-fasting. Non fasting sample was taken around 2 pm. I have an appt with the Neph tommrow @ 2 pm, after supper tonight I will fast until he re-draws another sample which I'm sure he is going to do. Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 You mentioned GRA, I thought you were referring to Graves. I have the wheels in motion to get the med records from my mother on the subject of her taking the liquid K. I asume you were talking about this insted. Children with GRA are treated with glucocorticoids, with resolution of their hypertension usually within 2 weeks after initiation of therapy. A sodium-restricted diet is recommended to lower blood pressure because of the salt-sensitive volume expansion; this will also minimize potassium wasting. Normalization of urinary hybrid steroid levels and abolition of ACTH-regulated aldosterone production is not a requisite for hypertension control and, if used as a treatment goal, may unnecessarily increase the risk of Cushingoid side effects. (11) The response to glucocorticoids is variable in adults, often requiring additional use of antihypertensive medications, such as spironolactone, amiloride and triamterene. It has been shown that even in the absence of hypertension, aldosterone excess is associated with increased left ventricular wall thicknesses and reduced diastolic function, initial changes that lead to cardiovascular morbidities. This leads to the recommendation to treat normotensive subjects with FH I. (12) Can you insert some english so its just a wee bit easier on the eyes. Thanks Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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