Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Guess they will go out of business when everyone is covered by Medicare. I would think this is a form of age discrimination. A diner cannot legally refuse to seat you because you are too old. Wonder if anyone has ever filed a suit because of this age discrimination issue. On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Valarie wrote: > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I > dread > the thought of Medicare. > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept > Medicare. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at a price below the cost of that service. Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and Canada. http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Guess they will go out of business when everyone is covered by Medicare. I would think this is a form of age discrimination. A diner cannot legally refuse to seat you because you are too old. Wonder if anyone has ever filed a suit because of this age discrimination issue. On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Valarie wrote: > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I > dread > the thought of Medicare. > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept > Medicare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the central government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not constitutional, No Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government intervention is personal lives is excessive IMHO. I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just doesn't accept what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into Medicare and receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers " reasonable and necessary. " People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of luck. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. But the people who would review the laws are on the system. Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, changes in medical funding in the 60's. As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die just as easily as any others. Regards RE: Mayo I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at a price below the cost of that service. Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and Canada. http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 You might dread it but it will probably be to your advantgaage to get it when it's available. I ahve no trouble at all yet. The 57% probably do not work with olders. Get a Dr now that uses it and he'll stay with you. When everything else goes bankrupt, you will still have it. Back when, my dentist didn't accept insurance etiher - now they wonder why I don't have it. Of course medicare does offer teeth or glasses yet. Only VA. Regards Mayo Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I dread the thought of Medicare. Mayo does accept my insurance. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. But the people who would review the laws are on the system. Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, changes in medical funding in the 60's. As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die just as easily as any others. Regards RE: Mayo I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at a price below the cost of that service. Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and Canada. http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds. But health care is something that even major companies dropped or want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM. Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen. I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general welfare, but what does that mean? It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current economic crises. All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge and planning. Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of medical practice. You want to measure Renin? What's that? Regards RE: Mayo I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at a price below the cost of that service. Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and Canada. http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 In that case we will not be able to care for everyone unless we stop providing and paying for unnecessary services that have not been proven to improve health. What will more likely happen is that taxes will have to go up to pay for services. Why should a Card get $1500 for 10 min of putting in each extra stent (+ the stent cost of a couple of thousand each) when I get paid about $50 trying to prevent the need for the stent in the first place. We can't pay now or in the future for the current state of medical care that is not driven by outcomes. It is driven by what the market will bear. CE Grim MD On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Valarie wrote: > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > service at > a price below the cost of that service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Now there is a good randomized trial: Mayo vs no Mayo. CE Grim MD On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:34 PM, jwwright wrote: > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die > just as > easily as any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 You mean they should eat cake (or salt)? I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional? I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution. If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid anything and cannot bill Medicaid. May your pressure be low!  CE Grim MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in human populations. On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote: > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the > central > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not > constitutional, No > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government > intervention > is personal lives is excessive IMHO. > > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just > doesn't accept > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into > Medicare and > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers > " reasonable and necessary. " > > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of > luck. > Yea > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay > for the expensive use of ERs etc. > CE Grim MD > > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright > > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. > But the people who would review the laws are on the system. > > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, > changes in > medical funding in the 60's. > > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die > just as > easily as any others. > > Regards > > RE: Mayo > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > service at > a price below the cost of that service. > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > UK and > Canada. > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 As the spouse of a GM retiree who was detrimentally affected by them changing the rules after the fact, I wholeheartedly agree.  That, plus the fact that our investments have lost about 30% since he retired and our house is worth about half of what it was 5 years ago, makes it more than a little rough. If people have a job these days it's still hard for most to make ends meet, much less save for retirement. The emphasis in this country needs to be on preventing chronic problems and treating small problems before they become big ones. This can't happen until everyone has access to health care, not just the people who are lucky enough to be able to afford it. In the end we all pay for the chronic problems that went untreated for years, such as dialysis patients.  a  From: jwwright <jwwright@...> Subject: Re: Mayo hyperaldosteronism Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds. But health care is something that even major companies dropped or want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM. Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen. I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general welfare, but what does that mean? It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current economic crises. All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge and planning. Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of medical practice. You want to measure Renin? What's that? Regards RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at a price below the cost of that service. Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and Canada. http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/ Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 And those who refuse to wear motorcycle helmets or continue to smoke and eat too much. May your pressure be low!  CE Grim MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in human populations. On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:19 AM, a Hall wrote: > As the spouse of a GM retiree who was detrimentally affected by > them changing the rules after the fact, I wholeheartedly agree. > That, plus the fact that our investments have lost about 30% since > he retired and our house is worth about half of what it was 5 years > ago, makes it more than a little rough. If people have a job these > days it's still hard for most to make ends meet, much less save for > retirement. The emphasis in this country needs to be on preventing > chronic problems and treating small problems before they become big > ones. This can't happen until everyone has access to health care, > not just the people who are lucky enough to be able to afford it. > In the end we all pay for the chronic problems that went untreated > for years, such as dialysis patients. > > a > > > > > From: jwwright <jwwright@...> > Subject: Re: Mayo > hyperaldosteronism > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM > > Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the > gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds. > But health care is something that even major companies dropped or > want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM. > > Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop > the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The > plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen. > > I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general > welfare, but what does that mean? > > It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current > economic crises. > All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge > and planning. > > Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of > medical practice. > You want to measure Renin? What's that? > > Regards > > RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > service at > a price below the cost of that service. > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > UK and > Canada. > http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/ > > Val > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine. I've read that in England the physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle changes they are able to achieve with their patients. Lowering cholesterol, losing weight, stopping smoking, lowering BP, etc. In this country too often we treat conditions retroactively, which is just plain backwards to me. My sister got a letter from her insurance company recently that stated they will now only pay for a colonoscopy every 10 years. Since when is doing a colectomy cheaper and more effective than removing a polyp?  a > > From: jwwright <jwwrighteastex (DOT) net> > Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo > hyperaldosteronism > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM > > Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the > gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds. > But health care is something that even major companies dropped or > want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM. > > Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop > the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The > plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen. > > I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general > welfare, but what does that mean? > > It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current > economic crises. > All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge > and planning. > > Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of > medical practice. > You want to measure Renin? What's that? > > Regards > > RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > service at > a price below the cost of that service. > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > UK and > Canada. > http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/ > > Val > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 I think the data suggests that if you have had 2 and they were negative (and no FH of Colon CA) then the chances of needing one before 10 years is very low. If she has had a polyp then she needs them more often. May your pressure be low!  CE Grim MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in human populations. On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:07 AM, a Hall wrote: > Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine. I've read that > in England the physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle > changes they are able to achieve with their patients. Lowering > cholesterol, losing weight, stopping smoking, lowering BP, etc. In > this country too often we treat conditions retroactively, which is > just plain backwards to me. My sister got a letter from her > insurance company recently that stated they will now only pay for a > colonoscopy every 10 years. Since when is doing a colectomy > cheaper and more effective than removing a polyp? > > a > > > > > > From: jwwright <jwwrighteastex (DOT) net> > > Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo > > hyperaldosteronism > > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM > > > > Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the > > gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds. > > But health care is something that even major companies dropped or > > want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM. > > > > Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop > > the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The > > plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen. > > > > I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general > > welfare, but what does that mean? > > > > It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current > > economic crises. > > All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge > > and planning. > > > > Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of > > medical practice. > > You want to measure Renin? What's that? > > > > Regards > > > > RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo > > > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > > service at > > a price below the cost of that service. > > > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > > UK and > > Canada. > > http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/ > > > > Val > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 There are those who argue that federal taxes are not constitutional. They never win in court, however. I do not argue with the constitutionality of taxes, but I do argue with the scope and reach of the federal government. Much of the scope and reach has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home the bacon get the votes. Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The individual getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid is a state-based medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally based and the only primary health insurance people over 65 are allowed to buy. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim You mean they should eat cake (or salt)? I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional? I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution. If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid anything and cannot bill Medicaid. May your pressure be low!  CE Grim MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in human populations. On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote: > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the > central > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not > constitutional, No > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government > intervention > is personal lives is excessive IMHO. > > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just > doesn't accept > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into > Medicare and > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers > " reasonable and necessary. " > > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of > luck. > Yea > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay > for the expensive use of ERs etc. > CE Grim MD > > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright > > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. > But the people who would review the laws are on the system. > > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, > changes in > medical funding in the 60's. > > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die > just as > easily as any others. > > Regards > > RE: Mayo > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > service at > a price below the cost of that service. > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > UK and > Canada. > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ > > Val > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Is she in an HMO? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of a Hall Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine. I've read that in England the physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle changes they are able to achieve with their patients. Lowering cholesterol, losing weight, stopping smoking, lowering BP, etc. In this country too often we treat conditions retroactively, which is just plain backwards to me. My sister got a letter from her insurance company recently that stated they will now only pay for a colonoscopy every 10 years. Since when is doing a colectomy cheaper and more effective than removing a polyp? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 When I was in practice I was told if I did not accept Medicare I would not be paid anything by them. If you dun them for what Medicare does not pay that is Medicare Fraud and big trouble. On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Valarie wrote: > There are those who argue that federal taxes are not > constitutional. They never win in court, however. I do not argue > with the constitutionality of taxes, but I do argue with the scope > and reach of the federal government. Much of the scope and reach > has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home the > bacon get the votes. > > Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The > individual getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid > is a state-based medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally > based and the only primary health insurance people over 65 are > allowed to buy. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > You mean they should eat cake (or salt)? > > I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional? > > I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution. > > If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid > anything and cannot bill Medicaid. > > May your pressure be low! > >  > > CE Grim MS, MD > > High Blood Pressure Consulting > > Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin > > Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. > > Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood > pressure in human populations. > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a > national > > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the > > central > > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not > > constitutional, No > > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government > > intervention > > is personal lives is excessive IMHO. > > > > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just > > doesn't accept > > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into > > Medicare and > > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies > > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers > > " reasonable and necessary. " > > > > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of > > luck. > > > Yea > > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data > > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay > > for the expensive use of ERs etc. > > > > CE Grim MD > > > > > > Val > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright > > > > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. > > But the people who would review the laws are on the system. > > > > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of > > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, > > changes in > > medical funding in the 60's. > > > > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die > > just as > > easily as any others. > > > > Regards > > > > RE: Mayo > > > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > > service at > > a price below the cost of that service. > > > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > > UK and > > Canada. > > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ > > > > Val > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dr. Grim: I couldn't agree more..I know that accepting insurance and Medicare makes headaches for the docs, BUT my heart goes out to sick folks that can't afford care outside this system.. Angie > > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I > > dread > > the thought of Medicare. > > > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > > > Val > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept > > Medicare. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Wow, this could get into the sticky area of politics. I believe that people who are sick should have access, government supported if need be to good care. I also believe that moral and ethical trumps " constitutional " . Angie > > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I > > dread > > the thought of Medicare. > > > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > > > Val > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept > > Medicare. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 All civilized nations have a national health care plan. On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:57 PM, aviano237 wrote: > Dr. Grim: > I couldn't agree more..I know that accepting insurance and Medicare > makes headaches for the docs, BUT my heart goes out to sick folks > that can't afford care outside this system.. > Angie > > > > > > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. > I > > > dread > > > the thought of Medicare. > > > > > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > > > > > Val > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence > Grim > > > > > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not > accept > > > Medicare. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 but pocketbook seems to trump all. On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:59 PM, aviano237 wrote: > Wow, this could get into the sticky area of politics. I believe that > people who are sick should have access, government supported if need > be to good care. I also believe that moral and ethical > trumps " constitutional " . > Angie > > > > > > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. > I > > > dread > > > the thought of Medicare. > > > > > > Mayo does accept my insurance. > > > > > > Val > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of > Clarence Grim > > > > > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not > accept > > > Medicare. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 When I was in practice I was told if I did not accept Medicare I would not be paid anything by them. If you dun them for what Medicare does not pay that is Medicare Fraud and big trouble. On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Valarie wrote: > There are those who argue that federal taxes are not > constitutional. They never win in court, however. I do not argue > with the constitutionality of taxes, but I do argue with the scope > and reach of the federal government. Much of the scope and reach > has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home the > bacon get the votes. > > Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The > individual getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid > is a state-based medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally > based and the only primary health insurance people over 65 are > allowed to buy. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > You mean they should eat cake (or salt)? > > I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional? > > I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution. > > If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid > anything and cannot bill Medicaid. > > May your pressure be low! > >  > > CE Grim MS, MD > > High Blood Pressure Consulting > > Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin > > Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension. > > Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood > pressure in human populations. > > On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a > national > > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the > > central > > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not > > constitutional, No > > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government > > intervention > > is personal lives is excessive IMHO. > > > > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just > > doesn't accept > > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into > > Medicare and > > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies > > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers > > " reasonable and necessary. " > > > > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of > > luck. > > > Yea > > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data > > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay > > for the expensive use of ERs etc. > > > > CE Grim MD > > > > > > Val > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright > > > > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system. > > But the people who would review the laws are on the system. > > > > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of > > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, > > changes in > > medical funding in the 60's. > > > > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die > > just as > > easily as any others. > > > > Regards > > > > RE: Mayo > > > > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide > > service at > > a price below the cost of that service. > > > > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the > > UK and > > Canada. > > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/ > > > > Val > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop coverage, the state comes after you. I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .? Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they. Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter. Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the SS and Medicare funds. Rollin' and raging I am. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright Honda? try an 18 mpg SUV. Ha. The problem is how to regulate it. I view the problem as not using SS and Medicare taxes exclusively for those purposes. Regards Re: Mayo Without a constitution, we would live in anarchy. Is it moral and ethical for someone to walk around a shopping center in designer jeans, talking on a cell phone, riding home in her new Honda to watch her favorite cable TV program on her new wide screen TV, and then expect me to pay for her appendectomy or later, her stent? Val .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Honda? try an 18 mpg SUV. Ha. The problem is how to regulate it. I view the problem as not using SS and Medicare taxes exclusively for those purposes. Regards Re: Mayo Without a constitution, we would live in anarchy. Is it moral and ethical for someone to walk around a shopping center in designer jeans, talking on a cell phone, riding home in her new Honda to watch her favorite cable TV program on her new wide screen TV, and then expect me to pay for her appendectomy or later, her stent? Val . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I think you will find health insurance is a lot more than a new car. When I canceled my company policy it had climbed to 986$ per month. With AARP, I saved 500+$. The company I retired with was screwing me. Still the cost is less than my new car (in 2002), a Ford pickup truck. Not the cheapest transportation for sure but I have other uses for it. I have calculated they could set the engine controller chip for 26 mpg, but again we have an economic problem in the people who own the mfg's stock. They probably sell oil. We and probably our congress, do not/cannot control these things. Regards RE: Re: Mayo Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop coverage, the state comes after you. I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .? Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they. Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter. Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the SS and Medicare funds. Rollin' and raging I am. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I think you will find health insurance is a lot more than a new car. When I canceled my company policy it had climbed to 986$ per month. With AARP, I saved 500+$. The company I retired with was screwing me. Still the cost is less than my new car (in 2002), a Ford pickup truck. Not the cheapest transportation for sure but I have other uses for it. I have calculated they could set the engine controller chip for 26 mpg, but again we have an economic problem in the people who own the mfg's stock. They probably sell oil. We and probably our congress, do not/cannot control these things. Regards RE: Re: Mayo Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop coverage, the state comes after you. I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .? Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they. Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter. Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the SS and Medicare funds. Rollin' and raging I am. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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