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Guess they will go out of business when everyone is covered by Medicare.

I would think this is a form of age discrimination.

A diner cannot legally refuse to seat you because you are too old.

Wonder if anyone has ever filed a suit because of this age

discrimination issue.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Valarie wrote:

> Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I

> dread

> the thought of Medicare.

>

> Mayo does accept my insurance.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

>

> Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept

> Medicare.

>

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I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at

a price below the cost of that service.

Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and

Canada.

http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

Val

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[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Guess they will go out of business when everyone is covered by Medicare.

I would think this is a form of age discrimination.

A diner cannot legally refuse to seat you because you are too old.

Wonder if anyone has ever filed a suit because of this age

discrimination issue.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Valarie wrote:

> Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I

> dread

> the thought of Medicare.

>

> Mayo does accept my insurance.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

<mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

<mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

>

> Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not accept

> Medicare.

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There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national

healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the central

government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not constitutional, No

Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government intervention

is personal lives is excessive IMHO.

I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just doesn't accept

what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into Medicare and

receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies

probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers

" reasonable and necessary. "

People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of luck.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, changes in

medical funding in the 60's.

As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die just as

easily as any others.

Regards

RE: Mayo

I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at

a price below the cost of that service.

Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and

Canada.

http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

Val

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You might dread it but it will probably be to your advantgaage to get it

when it's available. I ahve no trouble at all yet. The 57% probably do not

work with olders.

Get a Dr now that uses it and he'll stay with you.

When everything else goes bankrupt, you will still have it.

Back when, my dentist didn't accept insurance etiher - now they wonder why I

don't have it. Of course medicare does offer teeth or glasses yet. Only VA.

Regards

Mayo

Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare. I dread

the thought of Medicare.

Mayo does accept my insurance.

Val

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It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO, changes in

medical funding in the 60's.

As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die just as

easily as any others.

Regards

RE: Mayo

I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at

a price below the cost of that service.

Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and

Canada.

http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

Val

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Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the gov't changes

everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds.

But health care is something that even major companies dropped or want to drop

for competitive reasons. Ask GM.

Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop the plan

after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The plans cannot cover costs

rising at the rate they have risen.

I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general welfare, but

what does that mean?

It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current economic

crises.

All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge and planning.

Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of medical practice.

You want to measure Renin? What's that?

Regards

RE: Mayo

I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at

a price below the cost of that service.

Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and

Canada.

http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

Val

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In that case we will not be able to care for everyone unless we stop

providing and paying for unnecessary services that have not been

proven to improve health.

What will more likely happen is that taxes will have to go up to pay

for services.

Why should a Card get $1500 for 10 min of putting in each extra stent

(+ the stent cost of a couple of thousand each) when I get paid about

$50 trying to prevent the need for the stent in the first place.

We can't pay now or in the future for the current state of medical

care that is not driven by outcomes. It is driven by what the market

will bear.

CE Grim MD

On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Valarie wrote:

> I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> service at

> a price below the cost of that service.

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Now there is a good randomized trial: Mayo vs no Mayo.

CE Grim MD

On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:34 PM, jwwright wrote:

> As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die

> just as

> easily as any others.

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You mean they should eat cake (or salt)?

I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional?

I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution.

If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid

anything and cannot bill Medicaid.

May your pressure be low!



CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote:

> There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national

> healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the

> central

> government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not

> constitutional, No

> Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government

> intervention

> is personal lives is excessive IMHO.

>

> I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just

> doesn't accept

> what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into

> Medicare and

> receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies

> probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers

> " reasonable and necessary. "

>

> People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of

> luck.

>

Yea

> Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data

> suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay

> for the expensive use of ERs etc.

>

CE Grim MD

>

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

>

> It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

> But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

>

> Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

> centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO,

> changes in

> medical funding in the 60's.

>

> As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die

> just as

> easily as any others.

>

> Regards

>

> RE: Mayo

>

> I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> service at

> a price below the cost of that service.

>

> Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> UK and

> Canada.

> http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

>

> Val

>

>

>

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As the spouse of a GM retiree who was detrimentally affected by them changing

the rules after the fact, I wholeheartedly agree.   That, plus the fact that our

investments have lost about 30% since he retired and our house is worth about

half of what it was 5 years ago, makes it more than a little rough.  If people

have a job these days it's still hard for most to make ends meet, much less save

for retirement.  The emphasis in this country needs to be on preventing chronic

problems and treating small problems before they become big ones.  This can't

happen until everyone has access to health care, not just the people who are

lucky enough to be able to afford it.  In the end we all pay for the chronic

problems that went untreated for years, such as dialysis patients. 

 

a

 

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Subject: Re: Mayo

hyperaldosteronism

Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM

Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the gov't changes

everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds.

But health care is something that even major companies dropped or want to drop

for competitive reasons. Ask GM.

Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop the plan

after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The plans cannot cover costs

rising at the rate they have risen.

I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general welfare, but

what does that mean?

It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current economic

crises.

All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge and planning.

Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of medical practice.

You want to measure Renin? What's that?

Regards

RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide service at

a price below the cost of that service.

Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the UK and

Canada.

http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/

Val

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And those who refuse to wear motorcycle helmets or continue to smoke

and eat too much.

May your pressure be low!



CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:19 AM, a Hall wrote:

> As the spouse of a GM retiree who was detrimentally affected by

> them changing the rules after the fact, I wholeheartedly agree.

> That, plus the fact that our investments have lost about 30% since

> he retired and our house is worth about half of what it was 5 years

> ago, makes it more than a little rough. If people have a job these

> days it's still hard for most to make ends meet, much less save for

> retirement. The emphasis in this country needs to be on preventing

> chronic problems and treating small problems before they become big

> ones. This can't happen until everyone has access to health care,

> not just the people who are lucky enough to be able to afford it.

> In the end we all pay for the chronic problems that went untreated

> for years, such as dialysis patients.

>

> a

>

>

>

>

> From: jwwright <jwwright@...>

> Subject: Re: Mayo

> hyperaldosteronism

> Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM

>

> Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the

> gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds.

> But health care is something that even major companies dropped or

> want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM.

>

> Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop

> the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The

> plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen.

>

> I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general

> welfare, but what does that mean?

>

> It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current

> economic crises.

> All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge

> and planning.

>

> Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of

> medical practice.

> You want to measure Renin? What's that?

>

> Regards

>

> RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

>

> I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> service at

> a price below the cost of that service.

>

> Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> UK and

> Canada.

> http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/

>

> Val

>

>

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Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine.  I've read that in England

the physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle changes they are able to

achieve with their patients.  Lowering cholesterol, losing weight, stopping

smoking, lowering BP, etc.  In this country too often we treat conditions

retroactively, which is just plain backwards to me.  My sister got a letter

from her insurance company recently that stated they will now only pay for a

colonoscopy every 10 years.  Since when is doing a colectomy cheaper and more

effective than removing a polyp?

 

a

>

> From: jwwright <jwwrighteastex (DOT) net>

> Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

> hyperaldosteronism

> Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM

>

> Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the

> gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds.

> But health care is something that even major companies dropped or

> want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM.

>

> Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop

> the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The

> plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen.

>

> I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general

> welfare, but what does that mean?

>

> It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current

> economic crises.

> All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge

> and planning.

>

> Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of

> medical practice.

> You want to measure Renin? What's that?

>

> Regards

>

> RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

>

> I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> service at

> a price below the cost of that service.

>

> Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> UK and

> Canada.

> http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/

>

> Val

>

>

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I think the data suggests that if you have had 2 and they were

negative (and no FH of Colon CA) then the chances of needing one

before 10 years is very low.

If she has had a polyp then she needs them more often.

May your pressure be low!



CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:07 AM, a Hall wrote:

> Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine. I've read that

> in England the physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle

> changes they are able to achieve with their patients. Lowering

> cholesterol, losing weight, stopping smoking, lowering BP, etc. In

> this country too often we treat conditions retroactively, which is

> just plain backwards to me. My sister got a letter from her

> insurance company recently that stated they will now only pay for a

> colonoscopy every 10 years. Since when is doing a colectomy

> cheaper and more effective than removing a polyp?

>

> a

>

>

> >

> > From: jwwright <jwwrighteastex (DOT) net>

> > Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

> > hyperaldosteronism

> > Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:13 PM

> >

> > Well I did plan and save for old age - makes no difference - the

> > gov't changes everything to suit. Like the interest on gov't bonds.

> > But health care is something that even major companies dropped or

> > want to drop for competitive reasons. Ask GM.

> >

> > Even if you had a good plan and worked there a long time, they drop

> > the plan after retirement and then settle in/out of court. The

> > plans cannot cover costs rising at the rate they have risen.

> >

> > I think the constitution did have in mind providing for the general

> > welfare, but what does that mean?

> >

> > It will be interesting to see if SS, Medicare survive the current

> > economic crises.

> > All the more reason we need to develop our own medical knowledge

> > and planning.

> >

> > Bad enough HTN, but PA doesn't seem to be in the forefront of

> > medical practice.

> > You want to measure Renin? What's that?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > RE: [hyperaldosteronism ] Mayo

> >

> > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> > service at

> > a price below the cost of that service.

> >

> > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> > UK and

> > Canada.

> > http://www.biggovhe alth.org/ testimonials/ highlights/

> >

> > Val

> >

> >

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There are those who argue that federal taxes are not constitutional. They never

win in court, however. I do not argue with the constitutionality of taxes, but

I do argue with the scope and reach of the federal government. Much of the

scope and reach has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home

the bacon get the votes.

Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The individual

getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid is a state-based

medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally based and the only primary

health insurance people over 65 are allowed to buy.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

You mean they should eat cake (or salt)?

I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional?

I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution.

If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid

anything and cannot bill Medicaid.

May your pressure be low!



CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote:

> There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a national

> healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the

> central

> government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not

> constitutional, No

> Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government

> intervention

> is personal lives is excessive IMHO.

>

> I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just

> doesn't accept

> what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into

> Medicare and

> receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies

> probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers

> " reasonable and necessary. "

>

> People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of

> luck.

>

Yea

> Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data

> suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay

> for the expensive use of ERs etc.

>

CE Grim MD

>

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

<mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

<mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright

>

> It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

> But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

>

> Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

> centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO,

> changes in

> medical funding in the 60's.

>

> As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die

> just as

> easily as any others.

>

> Regards

>

> RE: Mayo

>

> I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> service at

> a price below the cost of that service.

>

> Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> UK and

> Canada.

> http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

>

> Val

>

>

>

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Is she in an HMO?

Val

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Yep, goes right along with preventative medicine. I've read that in England the

physicians get a bonus for positive lifestyle changes they are able to achieve

with their patients. Lowering cholesterol, losing weight, stopping smoking,

lowering BP, etc. In this country too often we treat conditions retroactively,

which is just plain backwards to me. My sister got a letter from her insurance

company recently that stated they will now only pay for a colonoscopy every 10

years. Since when is doing a colectomy cheaper and more effective than removing

a polyp?

a

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When I was in practice I was told if I did not accept Medicare I

would not be paid anything by them. If you dun them for what

Medicare does not pay that is Medicare Fraud and big trouble.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Valarie wrote:

> There are those who argue that federal taxes are not

> constitutional. They never win in court, however. I do not argue

> with the constitutionality of taxes, but I do argue with the scope

> and reach of the federal government. Much of the scope and reach

> has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home the

> bacon get the votes.

>

> Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The

> individual getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid

> is a state-based medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally

> based and the only primary health insurance people over 65 are

> allowed to buy.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

> You mean they should eat cake (or salt)?

>

> I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional?

>

> I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution.

>

> If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid

> anything and cannot bill Medicaid.

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> 

>

> CE Grim MS, MD

>

> High Blood Pressure Consulting

>

> Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

>

> Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

>

> Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

> pressure in human populations.

>

> On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote:

>

> > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a

> national

> > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the

> > central

> > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not

> > constitutional, No

> > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government

> > intervention

> > is personal lives is excessive IMHO.

> >

> > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just

> > doesn't accept

> > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into

> > Medicare and

> > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies

> > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers

> > " reasonable and necessary. "

> >

> > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of

> > luck.

> >

> Yea

> > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data

> > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay

> > for the expensive use of ERs etc.

> >

>

> CE Grim MD

> >

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright

> >

> > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

> > But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

> >

> > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

> > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO,

> > changes in

> > medical funding in the 60's.

> >

> > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die

> > just as

> > easily as any others.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > RE: Mayo

> >

> > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> > service at

> > a price below the cost of that service.

> >

> > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> > UK and

> > Canada.

> > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

> >

> > Val

> >

> >

> >

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Dr. Grim:

I couldn't agree more..I know that accepting insurance and Medicare

makes headaches for the docs, BUT my heart goes out to sick folks

that can't afford care outside this system..

Angie

>

> > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare.

I

> > dread

> > the thought of Medicare.

> >

> > Mayo does accept my insurance.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence

Grim

> >

> > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not

accept

> > Medicare.

> >

> >

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Wow, this could get into the sticky area of politics. I believe that

people who are sick should have access, government supported if need

be to good care. I also believe that moral and ethical

trumps " constitutional " .

Angie

>

> > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare.

I

> > dread

> > the thought of Medicare.

> >

> > Mayo does accept my insurance.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of

Clarence Grim

> >

> > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not

accept

> > Medicare.

>

>

>

>

>

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All civilized nations have a national health care plan.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:57 PM, aviano237 wrote:

> Dr. Grim:

> I couldn't agree more..I know that accepting insurance and Medicare

> makes headaches for the docs, BUT my heart goes out to sick folks

> that can't afford care outside this system..

> Angie

>

>

> >

> > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare.

> I

> > > dread

> > > the thought of Medicare.

> > >

> > > Mayo does accept my insurance.

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence

> Grim

> > >

> > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not

> accept

> > > Medicare.

> > >

> > >

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but pocketbook seems to trump all.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:59 PM, aviano237 wrote:

> Wow, this could get into the sticky area of politics. I believe that

> people who are sick should have access, government supported if need

> be to good care. I also believe that moral and ethical

> trumps " constitutional " .

> Angie

>

>

> >

> > > Mayo and roughly 57% of other physicians do not accept Medicare.

> I

> > > dread

> > > the thought of Medicare.

> > >

> > > Mayo does accept my insurance.

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > From: hyperaldosteronism

> > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> > <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Clarence Grim

> > >

> > > Mayo is great for those who can pay for it. Note they do not

> accept

> > > Medicare.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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When I was in practice I was told if I did not accept Medicare I

would not be paid anything by them. If you dun them for what

Medicare does not pay that is Medicare Fraud and big trouble.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Valarie wrote:

> There are those who argue that federal taxes are not

> constitutional. They never win in court, however. I do not argue

> with the constitutionality of taxes, but I do argue with the scope

> and reach of the federal government. Much of the scope and reach

> has been done to help people get elected. Those who bring home the

> bacon get the votes.

>

> Mayo's not accepting Medicare doesn't mean they don't get paid. The

> individual getting the service is responsible for payment Medicaid

> is a state-based medical system for the poor; Medicare is federally

> based and the only primary health insurance people over 65 are

> allowed to buy.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

> [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

> You mean they should eat cake (or salt)?

>

> I guess then SS and taxes are also not constitutional?

>

> I would suggest then we need to ammend the constitution.

>

> If Mayo does not accept what Medicare pays they will not be paid

> anything and cannot bill Medicaid.

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> 

>

> CE Grim MS, MD

>

> High Blood Pressure Consulting

>

> Clinical Professor of Medicine Medical College of Wisconsin

>

> Board certified in Internal Med, Geriatrics and Hypertension.

>

> Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

> pressure in human populations.

>

> On Jun 28, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Valarie wrote:

>

> > There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that would permit a

> national

> > healthcare system. Everything not specifically delegated to the

> > central

> > government is reserved for the states. Medicare is not

> > constitutional, No

> > Child Left Behind is not, and so on. The level of government

> > intervention

> > is personal lives is excessive IMHO.

> >

> > I don't believe Mayo refuses to treat those over 65; it just

> > doesn't accept

> > what Medicare pays. I'm sure people can turn the charges into

> > Medicare and

> > receive reimbursement for less than the cost. Supplementary policies

> > probably base their payments on the amount that Medicare considers

> > " reasonable and necessary. "

> >

> > People who have not planned and saved for old age are a bit out of

> > luck.

> >

> Yea

> > Yeah but you and I still end up paying when they get sick. Data

> > suggests it will be cheaper for us to insure everyone that to pay

> > for the expensive use of ERs etc.

> >

>

> CE Grim MD

> >

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40> ] On Behalf Of jwwright

> >

> > It's probably not constitutional to even have a health care system.

> > But the people who would review the laws are on the system.

> >

> > Good or bad, the lifespan of Americans is rising - the number of

> > centenarians is increasing at a higher rate each year due to IMO,

> > changes in

> > medical funding in the 60's.

> >

> > As for Mayo, et al, I notice the people who can pay higher fees die

> > just as

> > easily as any others.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > RE: Mayo

> >

> > I don't believe it is Constitutional to force someone to provide

> > service at

> > a price below the cost of that service.

> >

> > Here is a good synopsis of the victims of " free " healthcare in the

> > UK and

> > Canada.

> > http://www.biggovhealth.org/testimonials/highlights/

> >

> > Val

> >

> >

> >

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Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop

coverage, the state comes after you.

I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If

society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be

required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone

could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .?

Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their

health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they.

Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke

our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter.

Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the

SS and Medicare funds.

Rollin' and raging I am.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

Honda? try an 18 mpg SUV. Ha.

The problem is how to regulate it.

I view the problem as not using SS and Medicare taxes exclusively for those

purposes.

Regards

Re: Mayo

Without a constitution, we would live in anarchy.

Is it moral and ethical for someone to walk around a shopping center in

designer jeans, talking on a cell phone, riding home in her new Honda to

watch her favorite cable TV program on her new wide screen TV, and then

expect me to pay for her appendectomy or later, her stent?

Val

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Honda? try an 18 mpg SUV. Ha.

The problem is how to regulate it.

I view the problem as not using SS and Medicare taxes exclusively for those

purposes.

Regards

Re: Mayo

Without a constitution, we would live in anarchy.

Is it moral and ethical for someone to walk around a shopping center in

designer jeans, talking on a cell phone, riding home in her new Honda to

watch her favorite cable TV program on her new wide screen TV, and then

expect me to pay for her appendectomy or later, her stent?

Val

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I think you will find health insurance is a lot more than a new car.

When I canceled my company policy it had climbed to 986$ per month.

With AARP, I saved 500+$. The company I retired with was screwing me.

Still the cost is less than my new car (in 2002), a Ford pickup truck. Not

the cheapest transportation for sure but I have other uses for it.

I have calculated they could set the engine controller chip for 26 mpg, but

again we have an economic problem in the people who own the mfg's stock.

They probably sell oil.

We and probably our congress, do not/cannot control these things.

Regards

RE: Re: Mayo

Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop

coverage, the state comes after you.

I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If

society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be

required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone

could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .?

Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their

health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they.

Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke

our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter.

Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the

SS and Medicare funds.

Rollin' and raging I am.

Val

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I think you will find health insurance is a lot more than a new car.

When I canceled my company policy it had climbed to 986$ per month.

With AARP, I saved 500+$. The company I retired with was screwing me.

Still the cost is less than my new car (in 2002), a Ford pickup truck. Not

the cheapest transportation for sure but I have other uses for it.

I have calculated they could set the engine controller chip for 26 mpg, but

again we have an economic problem in the people who own the mfg's stock.

They probably sell oil.

We and probably our congress, do not/cannot control these things.

Regards

RE: Re: Mayo

Colorado has done a good job of requiring automobile insurance. If you drop

coverage, the state comes after you.

I think anyone who can afford a newer car can afford health insurance. If

society deems health care a necessity, then health insurance should be

required before anyone could register a newer car. Maybe before anyone

could buy a cell phone? Wide screen TV? Maybe before .?

Only when people give up their luxuries am I willing to chip in on their

health care. If I can drive an old car, so can they.

Oh, and scratch picking my pocket any more for services to people who broke

our laws and came here illegally. Borders matter.

Oh yeah, and throw the ear markers out on their rears and stop raiding the

SS and Medicare funds.

Rollin' and raging I am.

Val

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