Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Matt, The first thing I would suspect is candida albicans. It loves the ear, and once systemic there is almost no place it can't go, and, being a yeast, you aren't touching it with the antibiotics. I had a similar reaction to them in that they made me feel better, because there are other things the antibiotics killed. Your symptoms are pretty typical for candida. I would go to a yeast list or get a candida book and follow that program. You should know rather quickly if it is working. Maybe a week or two, possibly less. I get better in 2-3 days when I stop the things that feed candida. Also, absolutely no sugar, honey or alcohol to feed the yeast! Probably other stuff too. But, with something vague like this, listen to all ideas anyone has, and judge for yourself. This is just what it sounds like to me. jim Matt Curtin wrote: > I appear to have some infection which seems to have > originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to > other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is > rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused > difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a > while, but I was originally treated for clinical > depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms > for a while. -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- anony amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Matt, I forgot to mention, if you get some grapefruit seed extract (NOT grape seed) take it as recommended & 1 bottle should kill off candida, along with a lot of other stuff. Brand names are Agrisept (MLM) and Nutri-Biotic (health food store) jim . Matt Curtin wrote: > I appear to have some infection which seems to have > originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to > other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is > rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused > difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a > while, but I was originally treated for clinical > depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms > for a while. -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- anony amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 That's one of the things I suspected. If that's the case, the honey obviously is not helping. Plus it is putting pounds on my type O waist <LOL>. Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of symptom/diagnosis/solutions. So my question is - how does one independently test for these viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many others, many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). Hence the popular phrase " Your tests are negative, so you can't be sick " " . I believe that thinking is the real illness <LOL>. Matt, > >The first thing I would suspect is candida albicans. It >loves the ear, and once systemic there is almost no place it >can't go, and, being a yeast, you aren't touching it with >the antibiotics. I had a similar reaction to them in that >they made me feel better, because there are other things the >antibiotics killed. Your symptoms are pretty typical for >candida. > >I would go to a yeast list or get a candida book and follow >that program. You should know rather quickly if it is >working. Maybe a week or two, possibly less. I get better in >2-3 days when I stop the things that feed candida. Also, >absolutely no sugar, honey or alcohol to feed the yeast! >Probably other stuff too. > >But, with something vague like this, listen to all ideas >anyone has, and judge for yourself. This is just what it >sounds like to me. > >jim > >Matt Curtin wrote: > >> I appear to have some infection which seems to have >> originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to >> other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is >> rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused >> difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a >> while, but I was originally treated for clinical >> depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms >> for a while. > >-- >jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >http://www.entrance.to/poetry > >The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that >genius has its limits. -- anony > >amicus certus in re incerta > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 In her book The Cure for All Diseases, Hulda suggests that one build a device called a Syncrometer. This device is an audio oscillator circuit. You can supposedly use it to find a particular organism that has infected your body, by locating its individual frequency. I've never seen one of these devices in action (and am somewhat skeptical that they work) but if I were as curious as you I'd certainly check it out. And the book certainly makes an interesting read regardless. Matt wrote: >Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice >is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to >know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just >to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. > >Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again >in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of symptom/diagnosis/solutions. >So my question is - how does one independently test for these >viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many others, >many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). >Hence the popular phrase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 I built a synchrometer. It's in the next room. I never spent the 12 hours admittedly needed to learn it. I'll give it to anyone who wants to learn how to use it. BTW, my doctor uses a computerized version that combines with acupuncture theory so that it not only tells you details, it tells what those details affect. The diagnosis costs $200 and hour, and a normal diagnosis is 2-1/2 to 3 hours. But, WOW!, I now know what is in my body, what is wrong with my body, and what I have to do about it. I am doing them. Matt, would you please write me offline, if you prefer, and tell me what state you are in. Let's network a little and see if we can't find you a practitioner in your area that can diagnose you for real. I was recommended to a practitioner from a naturopathic enzyme supply company. I thought she was a naturopath until I saw the degrees in her office. She is an MD with naturopathic inclinations!!! It's neat to have a doctor with an open, eclectic, trained, experienced mind. She knew my diagnosis intuitively, after a complete, old-fashioned physical. She wasn't even in the office the day I was tested by the technician. And, in conversation I detected that the doctor hadn't prepared the tech with any information. In fact, the doctor wanted the tech to test patients " cold, " with no preconceived notions. The computerized frequency resonance diagnostic machine agreed with what the doctor had told me the previous week. It just filled in the details. The company that makes the devices has a referral list of doctors around the country who use it. It can tell you what organism, what organ & to what degree you are affected. The thing that took me so long was doing each tooth socket. Just testing for the kinds of pathogens you suggest, it would only take an hour or less to test you for all the organisms known to mankind. jim Moss wrote: > From: " Moss " <mossd@...> > > In her book The Cure for All Diseases, Hulda suggests that one build a > device called a Syncrometer. This device is an audio oscillator circuit. > You can supposedly use it to find a particular organism that has infected > your body, by locating its individual frequency. > > I've never seen one of these devices in action (and am somewhat skeptical > that they work) but if I were as curious as you I'd certainly check it out. > And the book certainly makes an interesting read regardless. > > Matt wrote: > > >Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice > >is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to > >know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just > >to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. > > > >Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again > >in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of > symptom/diagnosis/solutions. > >So my question is - how does one independently test for these > >viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many > others, > >many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). > >Hence the popular phrase > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Dear Matt, Well, its either bacterial, viral, fungal or a yeast ! The good news is, it doesn't matter which one, because ozone will wipe them all out. You and your significant other can do ozone ear insufflation, and drink ozonated water for a couple of weeks, until it is gone from both of you. The blood in the urine is worrisome. You should probably use the funnel to apply ozone to your kidneys transdermally, as well, to make sure the infection has spread there. In addition, you need to replace the good bacteria in your intestines, so do a bunch of acidophilous and bifidus and whatever else they have down at your local health food store in the way of friendly bacteria. After you have gotten rid of it once and for all, you can research what it might have been. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: /subscribe/ozonetherapy Mystery Infection I appear to have some infection which seems to have originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a while, but I was originally treated for clinical depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms for a while. Then recently I got a UTI which caused a high fever and made me very sick, almost like menningitis. I ended up taking antibiotics, and I could tell it was really this first infection which was the cause of my problems thinking. I am having an effect that my doctor is finding hard to believe, i.e. the symptoms keep comming back but when I take the anti-biotic levaquin (a flouroquinolone) the symptoms go away within a half hour. The effect seems to last 6-8 hours. I get a similar response to bactrim, however it seems there are 2 different bacteria involved, and one responds to bactrim and the other to levaquin. I have demonstrated this same effect at least 20 times, so I doubt if it is " placebo " . I even sugested we do a double-blind clinical trial to the specialist. There seems to be a concensus that all illnesses are psychosomatic unless one of the rudimentary standard tests are positive. I did have blood in my urine however. This particular " infection " has been hard to kill. I suspect it might be in the cerebrospinal fluid and/or fluid in the ear, which might explain the rapid onset of action of the AB with an eventual return of the symptoms. As the symptoms begin to go away, I feel the " ear popping " like when you change altitude. The hypothesis here is that the AB kills the bacteria in the blood, but does not kill it in the other fluid and hence it leeches back into the bloodstream. I have tested this by putting CS in my ears topically, and noticed relief, but not permanently. Also, it appears my SO and I are passing this second infection back and forth. I am trying all kinds of things. It also seems to respond to olive leaf extract, and to tea with honey and lemon. I have also been taking SAMe and NADh with good results. I even have noticed feeling better after taking baking soda and lemon juice in water (to oxygenate and raise ph of blood). I just can't seem to kill it for good, however now I think the problem is really passing it back and forth, as opposed to not being able to kill it. I have gotten almost all better, then got it back again (the next day) after being with my SO. I think it is in the saliva, because it appears to have infected 2 people I kissed in the last 2 months. I also believe I got it that way. I am in great shape otherwise, work out alot, and follow the protein-favored diet as I have type O blood and seem to do well on it ( " Eat right for you Type " by Adamo). This problem seems a bit odd, but I have talked to other people who have something very similar. How do I find out what this is? It is going to be hard to keep from getting it back if we don't know what we are dealing with. Anyone have any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Dear Matt, There are some excellent machines for analysis that would give you the answer. The best one I have seen is the B.E.S.T. system. They are only $16,000. If you want the name of a doctor using one, let me know. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: /subscribe/ozonetherapy Re: Mystery Infection >From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> > >That's one of the things I suspected. If that's the case, the honey >obviously is not helping. Plus it is putting pounds on my type O waist ><LOL>. > >Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice >is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to >know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just >to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. > >Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again >in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of symptom/diagnosis/solutions. >So my question is - how does one independently test for these >viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many others, >many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). >Hence the popular phrase > > " Your tests are negative, so you can't be sick " " . > >I believe that thinking is the real illness <LOL>. > >Matt, >> >>The first thing I would suspect is candida albicans. It >>loves the ear, and once systemic there is almost no place it >>can't go, and, being a yeast, you aren't touching it with >>the antibiotics. I had a similar reaction to them in that >>they made me feel better, because there are other things the >>antibiotics killed. Your symptoms are pretty typical for >>candida. >> >>I would go to a yeast list or get a candida book and follow >>that program. You should know rather quickly if it is >>working. Maybe a week or two, possibly less. I get better in >>2-3 days when I stop the things that feed candida. Also, >>absolutely no sugar, honey or alcohol to feed the yeast! >>Probably other stuff too. >> >>But, with something vague like this, listen to all ideas >>anyone has, and judge for yourself. This is just what it >>sounds like to me. >> >>jim >> >>Matt Curtin wrote: >> >>> I appear to have some infection which seems to have >>> originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to >>> other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is >>> rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused >>> difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a >>> while, but I was originally treated for clinical >>> depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms >>> for a while. >> >>-- >>jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >>http://www.entrance.to/poetry >> >>The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that >>genius has its limits. -- anony >> >>amicus certus in re incerta >> >> >> >>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Dear , We built a Syncrometer back in 1996, but we could never get reliable readings on it. It was just too unstable. Has anyone else had better luck with it? Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: /subscribe/ozonetherapy Re: Mystery Infection >From: " Moss " <mossd@...> > >In her book The Cure for All Diseases, Hulda suggests that one build a >device called a Syncrometer. This device is an audio oscillator circuit. >You can supposedly use it to find a particular organism that has infected >your body, by locating its individual frequency. > >I've never seen one of these devices in action (and am somewhat skeptical >that they work) but if I were as curious as you I'd certainly check it out. >And the book certainly makes an interesting read regardless. > >Matt wrote: > >>Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice >>is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to >>know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just >>to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. >> >>Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again >>in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of >symptom/diagnosis/solutions. >>So my question is - how does one independently test for these >>viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many >others, >>many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). >>Hence the popular phrase > > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Saul- Is the synchrometer based on the Royal Rife theory? That all organisms resonate at a specific frequency? Blessings, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 I expect it's older than Rife, but, yes. Frequency resonance by any name is a natural phenomenon, irrefutable. jim > Is the synchrometer based on the Royal Rife theory? That all organisms > resonate at a specific frequency? -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- anony amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Jim- Anybody in Dallas who does diagnositc work? Blessings, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 > From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> > > I am near Philadelphia PA. Matt, my doctor is in Baltimore, so if nothing else comes up, you are as close to her as I am. > I wouldn't go buy one right off the bat, but if it works, would be > a good business idea as well. I asked about that. You don't have to have any medical background to take the training as a techician. And, the lease on the machine is something like $250-300 a month. It is do-able for anyone who really wants to. > I have a question re: ozone therapy. Earlier messages said oxygen was bad > for cancer in that it promotes growth of cancer cells. As I understand it, this is only true of specific types of cancer, and even then only at a specific stage. And, only hyperbaric oxygen treatment is affected. Ozone works in a different manner, and is used in different ways, depending on what is being treated. > Why is ozone ok, Idon't have the energy at the moment to explain (others welcome) so accept that it is. Ozone works differently than oxygen. It's OK that some natural phenomena help life work. > and does Ph effect cancer cell proliferation? Sure! Low Ph inhibits oxygen transfer and hypoxia creates fermentation and CO, which makes more acid. Most pathogens are anaerobic, so hypoxia promotes them. Please clip off the unnecessary repetitious garbage on re-posted messages BEFORE you hit the send button!!! jim -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- anony amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 I am near Philadelphia PA. I believe there is a great deal of use for a machine like this with what we're doing. One of the areas we would like to concentrate is the area of " Mental Illness " . There are a lot of people on prescription drugs that really have infections, vitamin and mineral deficiencies, etc. If one could determine a pathogenic process was in place it would save significant time, expense, and even peoples lives, and keep them out of the " mental health merry-go-round " . I am in the process of looking for practitioners who can share some of these capabilities with us locally. I wouldn't go buy one right off the bat, but if it works, would be a good business idea as well. Lots of people have no clue what they got and who they have given it to. Wow, just think of the singles market potential LOL !!! I have a question re: ozone therapy. Earlier messages said oxygen was bad for cancer in that it promotes growth of cancer cells. Why is ozone ok, and does Ph effect cancer cell proliferation? Thanks Matt >Dear Matt, > >There are some excellent machines for analysis that would give you the >answer. The best one I have seen is the B.E.S.T. system. They are only >$16,000. If you want the name of a doctor using one, let me know. > >Best of Health! >Saul Pressman > M. Curtin, Ph.D. Managing Director & CEO Integral Partners, Inc. 1030 E. Lancaster Ave., Suite 213 Rosemont, PA 19010 >Dear Matt, > >There are some excellent machines for analysis that would give you the >answer. The best one I have seen is the B.E.S.T. system. They are only >$16,000. If you want the name of a doctor using one, let me know. > >Best of Health! >Saul Pressman > >URL: http://www.plasmafire.com >email: saul@... >Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: >/subscribe/ozonetherapy > Re: Mystery Infection > > >>From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> >> >>That's one of the things I suspected. If that's the case, the honey >>obviously is not helping. Plus it is putting pounds on my type O waist >><LOL>. >> >>Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice >>is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to >>know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just >>to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. >> >>Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again >>in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of >symptom/diagnosis/solutions. >>So my question is - how does one independently test for these >>viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many >others, >>many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). >>Hence the popular phrase >> >> " Your tests are negative, so you can't be sick " " . >> >>I believe that thinking is the real illness <LOL>. >> >>Matt, >>> >>>The first thing I would suspect is candida albicans. It >>>loves the ear, and once systemic there is almost no place it >>>can't go, and, being a yeast, you aren't touching it with >>>the antibiotics. I had a similar reaction to them in that >>>they made me feel better, because there are other things the >>>antibiotics killed. Your symptoms are pretty typical for >>>candida. >>> >>>I would go to a yeast list or get a candida book and follow >>>that program. You should know rather quickly if it is >>>working. Maybe a week or two, possibly less. I get better in >>>2-3 days when I stop the things that feed candida. Also, >>>absolutely no sugar, honey or alcohol to feed the yeast! >>>Probably other stuff too. >>> >>>But, with something vague like this, listen to all ideas >>>anyone has, and judge for yourself. This is just what it >>>sounds like to me. >>> >>>jim >>> >>>Matt Curtin wrote: >>> >>>> I appear to have some infection which seems to have >>>> originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to >>>> other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is >>>> rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused >>>> difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a >>>> while, but I was originally treated for clinical >>>> depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms >>>> for a while. >>> >>>-- >>>jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >>>http://www.entrance.to/poetry >>> >>>The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that >>>genius has its limits. -- anony >>> >>>amicus certus in re incerta >>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 1999 Report Share Posted August 2, 1999 Saul Pressman wrote: > After you have gotten rid of it once and for all, you can > research what it might have been. Matt, THAT's what I wanted to say earlier, but it didn't jell in time. One of the beauties of natural phenomenon type therapies such as ozone insufflation is that you can't really hurt yourself with it. Another is that it is broad-based and will wipe out almost everything except you, because your body LOVES ozone in the proper concentrations, applied in the proper manner -- but it is pure death to virtually every pathogen known! So, it isn't as important as you think it is to know what the pathogen is, as long as you know what mediates, controls or cures the condition. jim -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- anony amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Dear Yes, that would be generally correct. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: /subscribe/ozonetherapy Re: Mystery Infection From: c_zell@... (Zell) Saul- Is the synchrometer based on the Royal Rife theory? That all organisms resonate at a specific frequency? Blessings, Zell --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Jim and Saul, Thanks for all the good feedback re: ozone and diagnostics. I do understand this new " paradigm " of healing (actually it's and old one revisited), i.e. if you can use ozone, cs, etc and it works on most cases, why worry what is it/was. However, there are several reasons why I feel it is important: 1 As a scientist, you haven't really proven anything if you feel sick and take ozone and get better in a week. The patient might have just been tired and rested up. 2. Part of my mission is to show clearly that lots of people are falling through the cracks of conventional medicine. The standard MO seems to be to run a few very basic tests, and if nothing shows up, they try to tell you it is psychomatic. This is more stressful that being sick. If there's a reliable test to indicated what it is, you do something, and it works, you now have repeatable results. Of course, one could argue that it is the spiritual self that creates the logical, mental, and phsical, but most of us who are getting sick have not yet achieved that higher plateau, and therefore can't heal via spiritual means alone. Hence we run the risk of dying before getting there unless the physical problem is addressed. Just this last time with my situation, the PCP I use tried to convince me nothing was wrong and I imagined I was sick because I take smart drugs (Most US MD's really don't understand these!!!!!.). The paradox is that the main reason I do think clearly (excepting that this recent illness made it difficult) is that I follow a cognitive enhancement program. That's actually more my area in case anyone has questions about CE, although that might be off-list. There is an anti-aging list I'm on too which talks about things like that. I am developing a product line called Integration 2000. Hopefully I will resume my work soon, I've been too sick to work for 2 months. (I am looking for a new PCP, and I do have a friend in SC who is an MD and helps me but you should have a local person too) All things considered, I do agree that in the absence of good diagnostics, shooting in the dark and killing an unknown intruder it is far better than dying. >Saul Pressman wrote: > >> After you have gotten rid of it once and for all, you can >> research what it might have been. > >Matt, > >THAT's what I wanted to say earlier, but it didn't jell in >time. One of the beauties of natural phenomenon type >therapies such as ozone insufflation is that you can't >really hurt yourself with it. Another is that it is >broad-based and will wipe out almost everything except you, >because your body LOVES ozone in the proper concentrations, >applied in the proper manner -- but it is pure death to >virtually every pathogen known! So, it isn't as important as >you think it is to know what the pathogen is, as long as you >know what mediates, controls or cures the condition. > >jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Dear Matt, Interesting comment. I detect a slight desire to ride two horses in opposite directions. As far as the 'science' of diseases goes, diseases are actually a resultant, not causal. For proof, I offer : 1) the 60,000 Canadians who were given tainted blood, with only about 12,000 coming down with hepatitis 2) the conversion of E. coli to typhus in laboratory experiments by the addition of adrenaline, and the conversion back with addition of long chain sugars 3) persons that die after their tumors disappear It is the condition of the inner terrain that is the critical element. That is inter-related with mental/emotional/spiritual issues, which are not susceptible to the laboratory/microscope approach. Best of Health! Saul Pressman URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: /subscribe/ozonetherapy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Re: Mystery Infection >From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> > >Jim and Saul, > >Thanks for all the good feedback re: ozone and diagnostics. I do understand >this new " paradigm " of healing (actually it's and old one revisited), i.e. >if you can use ozone, cs, etc and it works on most cases, why worry what is >it/was. However, there are several reasons why I feel it is important: > >1 As a scientist, you haven't really proven anything if you feel sick and >take ozone and get better in a week. The patient might have just been tired >and rested up. > >2. Part of my mission is to show clearly that lots of people are falling >through the cracks of conventional medicine. The standard MO seems to be to >run a few very basic tests, and if nothing shows up, they try to tell you it >is psychomatic. This is more stressful that being sick. If there's a >reliable test to indicated what it is, you do something, and it works, you >now have repeatable results. > >Of course, one could argue that it is the spiritual self that creates the >logical, mental, and phsical, but most of us who are getting sick have not >yet achieved that higher plateau, and therefore can't heal via spiritual >means alone. Hence we run the risk of dying before getting there unless the >physical problem is addressed. > >Just this last time with my situation, the PCP I use tried to convince me >nothing was wrong and I imagined I was sick because I take smart drugs (Most >US MD's really don't understand these!!!!!.). The paradox is that the main >reason I do think clearly (excepting that this recent illness made it >difficult) is that I follow a cognitive enhancement program. That's actually >more my area in case anyone has questions about CE, although that might be >off-list. There is an anti-aging list I'm on too which talks about things >like that. I am developing a product line called Integration 2000. Hopefully >I will resume my work soon, I've been too sick to work for 2 months. > >(I am looking for a new PCP, and I do have a friend in SC who is an MD and >helps me but you should have a local person too) > >All things considered, I do agree that in the absence of good diagnostics, >shooting in the dark and killing an unknown intruder it is far better than >dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 >Dear Matt, >Interesting comment. >I detect a slight desire to ride two horses in opposite directions. True it appears that, but in some cases this non-dichotomous approach is a good one at least temporarily. Obviously riding both in the same direction is preferable to the other n alternatives. I try to be as open as possible, but even I too have predispositions to overcome with regard to immunity and illness. Please bear with me on this one, since the notion of terrain vs. pathogen induced illness only has struck me in the last few days. Again it appears I was presented with an opportunity to learn by having to deal with something myself (i.e. getting sick). As a management consultant for 20 years, most of the problems I solved in companies was something like this : Group 1 wants Solution Box A Group 2 wants Solution Box B Nobody had considered options in Box C. They tried Box D in the past but it didn't work and nobody knows why. Neither Solution A or B or C or D is ideal. The answer: 95% of the time, parts of all four " boxes " comprised the ideal or optimal solution after taking the time to really understand the problem and determine the goals. A dummy like me just had to walk in not knowing anything about this problem but something about problems in general, i.e. I was not too close to it. Of course evaluation and feedback of the results is vital too in learning what works, what doesn't, and why. The way I see the above tying in here is that there are a lot of different approaches to healing, some of which are better known and understood than others. Better to use as many tools available as possible to achieve the best result. Just because I have a hammer, doesn't make everything a nail. I keep looking for new and better tools and better understanding of the ones already in the tool box. Actually, the book I mentioned is precisely that, a combination of western medicine and alternative medicine he calls Progressive medicine. I call the next step beyond this Integrative Healing, in that the spiritual component is important as well. The chicken-and-egg nature of mind-body connection with regard to healing and illness might be interesting to explore further. For example, you can have an emotional issue effect your immune function adn get an illness which effects your brain, in which case your ability to " spontaneously Heal " becomes almost impossible. Many of the people I try to help have pretty easy " physical " problems, but what prevents them from healing is that they don't feel they deserve it. I realised I have to address these situations spiritually first or along with " neutraceuticals " . I think the idea makes sense that the terrain is a determining factor in health/illness. If one looks at it abstractly, however the distinction between terrain and not terrain is not all that clear. The ozone case is a good one in that regard, i.e. ozone is an anti-pathogen that is also a terrain item (at least the O). Your thoughts are well taken however regarding the terrain is king methodology. I will attempt to understand this further. The one idea I am still trying to understand is why could we get only one illness if out immune system is down. Wouldn't we get many in most cases? Also, are there some pathogens which even an optimal immune system can't handle. " We can't solve the problems of today with the same thinking that created them. " Einstein. " We often forget that our problems are someone elses pleasures " . Curtin > >As far as the 'science' of diseases goes, diseases are actually a resultant, >not causal. > >For proof, I offer : > >1) the 60,000 Canadians who were given tainted blood, with only about 12,000 >coming down with hepatitis I wonder which factors were at play here. Diet, blood type, immune system parms, etc? >2) the conversion of E. coli to typhus in laboratory experiments by the >addition of adrenaline, and the conversion back with addition of long chain >sugars Cool but how does this relate to terrain being the controlling force? >3) persons that die after their tumors disappear May have died of something else or were just plain ready for the next step. >It is the condition of the inner terrain that is the critical element. That >is inter-related with mental/emotional/spiritual issues, which are not >susceptible to the laboratory/microscope approach. Yet? Actually there are some rudimentaty metrics such as Hamilton Depression Scale, etc. but definately room for improvement. I think the big problem in medicine iis the tendency to group things in these high-level ambiguous cateories called " syndromes " . As soo as I hear that word, I think " They really have no clue what causes it " . We have had an idea to create a symptom/fix computer system to refine this a bit by looking at symptoms in a very granular way and what causes them, along with some logic to analyse the results. Would be a lot of work however. There must be something like this around. I guess it would make life it simpler if ozone cured everything. Perhaps it does!!!!! Cheers, and good info!!!!!! MC >Best of Health! >Saul Pressman > >URL: http://www.plasmafire.com >email: saul@... >Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: >/subscribe/ozonetherapy > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >----------- > Re: Mystery Infection > > >>From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> >> >>Jim and Saul, >> >>Thanks for all the good feedback re: ozone and diagnostics. I do understand >>this new " paradigm " of healing (actually it's and old one revisited), i.e. >>if you can use ozone, cs, etc and it works on most cases, why worry what is >>it/was. However, there are several reasons why I feel it is important: >> >>1 As a scientist, you haven't really proven anything if you feel sick and >>take ozone and get better in a week. The patient might have just been tired >>and rested up. >> >>2. Part of my mission is to show clearly that lots of people are falling >>through the cracks of conventional medicine. The standard MO seems to be to >>run a few very basic tests, and if nothing shows up, they try to tell you >it >>is psychomatic. This is more stressful that being sick. If there's a >>reliable test to indicated what it is, you do something, and it works, you >>now have repeatable results. >> >>Of course, one could argue that it is the spiritual self that creates the >>logical, mental, and phsical, but most of us who are getting sick have not >>yet achieved that higher plateau, and therefore can't heal via spiritual >>means alone. Hence we run the risk of dying before getting there unless the >>physical problem is addressed. >> >>Just this last time with my situation, the PCP I use tried to convince me >>nothing was wrong and I imagined I was sick because I take smart drugs >(Most >>US MD's really don't understand these!!!!!.). The paradox is that the main >>reason I do think clearly (excepting that this recent illness made it >>difficult) is that I follow a cognitive enhancement program. That's >actually >>more my area in case anyone has questions about CE, although that might be >>off-list. There is an anti-aging list I'm on too which talks about things >>like that. I am developing a product line called Integration 2000. >Hopefully >>I will resume my work soon, I've been too sick to work for 2 months. >> >>(I am looking for a new PCP, and I do have a friend in SC who is an MD and >>helps me but you should have a local person too) >> >>All things considered, I do agree that in the absence of good diagnostics, >>shooting in the dark and killing an unknown intruder it is far better than >>dying. > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 I really enjoy reading your thought provoking interesting writings. Thank you a Re: Mystery Infection > > >>From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> >> >>Jim and Saul, >> >>Thanks for all the good feedback re: ozone and diagnostics. I do understand >>this new " paradigm " of healing (actually it's and old one revisited), i.e. >>if you can use ozone, cs, etc and it works on most cases, why worry what is >>it/was. However, there are several reasons why I feel it is important: >> >>1 As a scientist, you haven't really proven anything if you feel sick and >>take ozone and get better in a week. The patient might have just been tired >>and rested up. >> >>2. Part of my mission is to show clearly that lots of people are falling >>through the cracks of conventional medicine. The standard MO seems to be to >>run a few very basic tests, and if nothing shows up, they try to tell you >it >>is psychomatic. This is more stressful that being sick. If there's a >>reliable test to indicated what it is, you do something, and it works, you >>now have repeatable results. >> >>Of course, one could argue that it is the spiritual self that creates the >>logical, mental, and phsical, but most of us who are getting sick have not >>yet achieved that higher plateau, and therefore can't heal via spiritual >>means alone. Hence we run the risk of dying before getting there unless the >>physical problem is addressed. >> >>Just this last time with my situation, the PCP I use tried to convince me >>nothing was wrong and I imagined I was sick because I take smart drugs >(Most >>US MD's really don't understand these!!!!!.). The paradox is that the main >>reason I do think clearly (excepting that this recent illness made it >>difficult) is that I follow a cognitive enhancement program. That's >actually >>more my area in case anyone has questions about CE, although that might be >>off-list. There is an anti-aging list I'm on too which talks about things >>like that. I am developing a product line called Integration 2000. >Hopefully >>I will resume my work soon, I've been too sick to work for 2 months. >> >>(I am looking for a new PCP, and I do have a friend in SC who is an MD and >>helps me but you should have a local person too) >> >>All things considered, I do agree that in the absence of good diagnostics, >>shooting in the dark and killing an unknown intruder it is far better than >>dying. > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 Yes, and/or the manufacturer as I would like to possible get one for our use. |From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...> | |Dear Matt, | |There are some excellent machines for analysis that would give you the |answer. The best one I have seen is the B.E.S.T. system. They are only |$16,000. If you want the name of a doctor using one, let me know. | |Best of Health! |Saul Pressman | |URL: http://www.plasmafire.com |email: saul@... |Join our mailing list and learn about ozone therapy at: |/subscribe/ozonetherapy | Re: Mystery Infection | | |>From: " Matt Curtin " <mcurtin@...> |> |>That's one of the things I suspected. If that's the case, the honey |>obviously is not helping. Plus it is putting pounds on my type O waist |><LOL>. |> |>Part of this exercise for me as a person developing an integrative practice |>is that in learning about infection and natural treatments I would like to |>know what pathogen I am dealing with. While I want to feel good ASAP, just |>to kill it does not give me the full benefit of the experience. |> |>Since I do not know what it is, how do I know what to use if I see it again |>in someone else, or add to my knowledge base of |symptom/diagnosis/solutions. |>So my question is - how does one independently test for these |>viruses/bacteria/fungi/etc.. Based on my experience and that of many |others, |>many things don't show up on standard allopathic tests (blood and urine). |>Hence the popular phrase |> |> " Your tests are negative, so you can't be sick " " . |> |>I believe that thinking is the real illness <LOL>. |> |>Matt, |>> |>>The first thing I would suspect is candida albicans. It |>>loves the ear, and once systemic there is almost no place it |>>can't go, and, being a yeast, you aren't touching it with |>>the antibiotics. I had a similar reaction to them in that |>>they made me feel better, because there are other things the |>>antibiotics killed. Your symptoms are pretty typical for |>>candida. |>> |>>I would go to a yeast list or get a candida book and follow |>>that program. You should know rather quickly if it is |>>working. Maybe a week or two, possibly less. I get better in |>>2-3 days when I stop the things that feed candida. Also, |>>absolutely no sugar, honey or alcohol to feed the yeast! |>>Probably other stuff too. |>> |>>But, with something vague like this, listen to all ideas |>>anyone has, and judge for yourself. This is just what it |>>sounds like to me. |>> |>>jim |>> |>>Matt Curtin wrote: |>> |>>> I appear to have some infection which seems to have |>>> originated as an inner ear infection and then spread to |>>> other parts of the head, mainly the temporal area. It is |>>> rather unpleasant and has fatigued me and has caused |>>> difficulty thinking. Apparently I have had this for a |>>> while, but I was originally treated for clinical |>>> depression. Those meds seem to have masked the symptoms |>>> for a while. |>> |>>-- |>>jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience |>>http://www.entrance.to/poetry |>> |>>The biggest difference between genius & stupidity is that |>>genius has its limits. -- anony |>> |>>amicus certus in re incerta |>> |>> |>> |>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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