Re: Oxygenating Therapies and Hep C

April 21, 1999

> However, I cannot let those statements about Beck´s method

> being effective to go unresponded otherwise unninformed

> people would think they may work when in fact there is no

> proof of their effectiveness whatsoever. I do not have to

> take them in order to prove they don´t work. I believe it is

> the other way around. Dr. Bob Beck or his supporters are the

> ones that will have to prove that his method works. So far I

> haven´t seen any proof.

Well, sir, if you are waiting for the FDA to tell you

when a cure is found, then may you rest in peace.

Dr Beck and his supporters do indeed have a lot of

anecdotal evidence that it works, as well as a number

of patents, and a few published studies on the

effectiveness of small amounts of electricity on ALL

virus', bacteria, fungus AND parasites. All Dr Beck has

done is TELL people aboput something that was

discovered by two Drs (one of them was Kaali) at

the Albert Einstein Medical Institute. He has NEVEr

claimed to be the one who 'discovered' this

information, just to be the one who has championed its

dissemination.

I have heard MANY times from people, TOTALLY

UNSOLICITED (they usually come as a result of reading

one of my posts) of its EFFECTIVENESS, and have NEVER

heard, NOT ONCE, from anyone who said they tried it and

it did nothing. Of course, it is not a real simple

process (not like taking a pill), so I would venture to

say that anyone who doesn't get the results probably

didn't follow the directions.

The THEORY is sound, and was discovered by

'traditional' doctors who then PATENTED a device based

on this research.

If you are not willing to spend less than a hundred

bucks to test it, then that is your problem, sir.

> Luiz

--

Marcus

April 21, 1999

> There has been discussion at various times on the Hep C list

> about the zapper, and Joost was purported to have worn out

> three of them to no avail, so he certainly gave it the old

> " college try. " Joost was also trying other methods such as

> ozone and Rife technology. He did not have qualms about the

> FDA and at any rate, did not live in the US--nor does

> Luiz for that matter, so that's a moot point.

When you say 'zapper', do you mean the blood

electrifier of Bob Becks, or the 'zapper' of Hulda

s?

Hulda s zapper NEVER worked, although there is

evidence it did do SOMETHING, probably along the lines

of stimulating the energy centers of the body.

Scientifically, thoughh, the frequency/current of her

device did NOT penetrate into the body.

> I saw Bob Beck speak in 1996. Afterward, he sold photocopies

> of information on how to construct and use a zapper and the

> colloidal silver-maker for $5.00 a pop. It would be nice to

> see actual evidence of this method eliminating the virus.

Did you bother to look up the study and the patents he

mentions in his papers? The evidence IS there.

Also, on his audio and video tapes, he HAS some case

studies, which he shows to anyone willing to look at

them.

> This means labwork proving the patient had HCV, followed by

> still more labwork after treatment showing a negative PCR.

He HAS them. Again, on the audio and video I have of

him he offers to let anyone look at them who is willing

to respect the patient confidentiality.

> High liver enzymes do NOT constitute proof of hepatitis and

> can have other causes. Nor do normal liver enzymes prove a

> cure--as it happens, mine are consistently normal. If anyone

> wanted to conduct a study it would be pretty easy to find

> dedicated candidates, complete with their own bloodwork

> results monitored by their physicians.

I never heard Dr Beck mention 'Liver Enzymes' one way

or another. He simply says that electrification cures

it.

> I personally do not discredit anecdotal evidence, however, if

> reports of results are anecdotal, reports of lack thereof by

> reliable persons are equally anecdotal and therefore, just as

> valid.

But I have yet to hear ANYONE say that they tried Dr

Becks devices, following all of the directions, and

didn't get any results.

All I have heard is people screaming for 'proof'. Well,

all I can say is, I have some proof - about 80 proof -

its called VODKA.

--

Marcus

April 22, 1999

Consider using Hyperbarics

susan

April 22, 1999

Thank you for the offer to help. My husband has apparently had Hep C for a

number of years however just learned of it within the last year. He does not

have active symptoms at the moment with his counts falling within normal

range presently. They were elevated 4 times normal and his skin and eyes

were yellowish prior to going into the hospital 3 weeks ago with

inflammation and subsequent atrophy of the pancreas which is not producing

enzyme for digesting food. He is taking pancreas before each time he eats

and is keeping most meals down. Vomiting is only 3 times per week now but

still has daily diarrhea. We have a zapper (today is 1st day of use) and

plan to try ozone therapy in Mexico in May. Trevor is also asthmatic and

suffers from allergies and lumbar disc generation low back pain. He is 48

years old and lost over 40+ lbs. during the past few months. He was

6'1''210lbs now he's 160lbs.

He has stopped consuming alcohol however takes pain medications around the

clock to tolerate his back pain. I hope this background is helpful and

please know I greatly appreciate any Ozone and nutritional info that may

help us. I have not tested positive for Hep C nor have our 4 children. I

look forward to hearing back from you. Thank you a

Re: Oxygenating Therapies and Hep C

From: Cuenut@...

please if you could tell me where to go with urls to get info i can print

for

my HIV POS. FREINDS samantha/jay they have a child and want to stay around

and help her grow up!!!**** they are trying hydrogen peroxide mixed with

water but i dont think they know how much or often to take it!

thank you if you can help

ANTHONY WEAVER A.K.A. CUENUT

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April 23, 1999

Re: Oxygenating Therapies and Hep C

From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...>

> We have a zapper (today is 1st day of use)

What kind of 'zapper'?

SyncroZap model A2 5 stage timing cycle: 7 minutes on 21 min off 7 on 21 off

7 on then auto shut off. 2.8 to 8 milliamperes current monitor, 9 volt

peak-To-peak no-load voltage at 28-33kHz. strap on wrist bands after wetting

wrists.

Is it the one based on Hulda

s theories?

Not that I am aware of.

If so, you should know that her zapper

does not work as advertised, although there does appear

to be some benefit derived. The frequencies/current do

NOT penetrate into the body though, and it does NOT

eliminate parasites as she claims.

If it is Dr Becks blood cleaner, then just follow the

directions, including the warnings regarding

'electroporation', and he should be fine...

What is electroporation?

> and plan to try ozone therapy in Mexico in May.

How many times a day and for how many days would you think he should use the

ozone sauna while we are in Mazatlan?

Trevor is

> also asthmatic and suffers from allergies and lumbar disc

> generation low back pain. He is 48 years old and lost over

> 40+ lbs. during the past few months. He was 6'1''210lbs now

> he's 160lbs.

Definitely sounds like he has problems with his

digestive/eliminative tract/organs.

Yes he is having a lot of such problems. Do you have any ideas as to

particular diet or foods or herbs or vitamins that would be good for this

problem and to facilitate healing?

Drinking ozonated water is HIGHLY recommended,

especialy when combined with Dr Becks blood cleaner.

The electroporation supposedly causes the extra oxygen

to be absorbed in much higher quantities into the

blood.

SyncroZap sells a devise for making ozonated water and food for about

$200.00. Is that something we would need or are there other methods or ways

of obtaining ozonated water that you are aware of? What is Dr Becks blood

cleaner process and do you know how and where I obtain it. Do you know what

ingredients are in it or what it's made of and where or how to get it?

Thank you ever so much for your time. I genuinely and greatly appreciate

your help and look forward to hearing back from you.

a

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April 23, 1999

I highly recommend some acupuncture for the back problem...will relieve

pain...help to heal it.

April 24, 1999

( I did ozone also...) Please consider acupuncture for the back pain. I hurt

my back and the acupuncture healed it and pain was gone after 3 treatments.

This would be much better for him than pain medication. Acupuncture is also

helpful with liver disease. If you can find a Chinese TCM I would recommend

it. Others do acupuncture, and may do it well, but I go to a Chinese TCM,

pay $40 per treatment, and it has helped me considerably. Also, heel spurs

are gone from acupuncture, knee pain, and my energy has increased. I also

did ozone therapy, (twice per week) for about 3 months. I think it has

helped, but has not decreased viral load and enzymes are still slightly

elevated. I did major autohemotherapy having had about 22 treatments at my

Naturopath's office. Before that I did rectal insufflation of ozone for 21

days straight. Since I am a 2B I am considering the interferon crapp, but I

will think about it. I do have 70% chance of putting it into remission.

I " ll see how the biopsy comes back. I don't know if I want to risk the side

effects of the chemotherapy, and will continue to see if there is any

improvement from the naturopathic methods I am using. The thought of going

negative though is tempting...but at what cost??? Big decision....we'll see

what shape my liver is in....what's worse, the virus, or the interferon?

Meanwhile, if I do the itnerferon, I will continue the Chinese doctor, he can

help with any side effects....Really, the acupuncture can really help with

back pain!

April 24, 1999

What was the concentration of ozone & length of treatment for the

insufflation?

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Re: Oxygenating Therapies and Hep C

From: Elsol102@...

( I did ozone also...) Please consider acupuncture for the back pain. I

hurt