DMAE and piracetam: was Dyslexia

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I drink green tea now instead of coffee. There is a little bit of caffeine,

but a whole lot of great antioxidants and good stuff in green tea!

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Several months ago I decided to quit coffee. I had read on the Net that

DMAE is a very mild stimulant, much preferable to coffee. It's available

everywhere, and in fact is one of the cheapest supplements that is sold. I

tried it, and it worked wonders for me. I started by taking 200 mgs/day

when I got up in the morning. I felt alert and didn't miss the coffee.

Now I take 100 mgs every other day. I don't really notice it at all,

usually. However, I don't have the need for coffee any more. I just feel

relatively alert all the time. (I also take gingko biloba too sometimes,

and this may provide part of the alertness effect.)

-dzm

P.S. I started taking piracetam about two weeks ago. (I suppose I'm part

of that NYC smart drug/mind tech culture that Jim referred to in a previous

email, although I don't think of myself that way, especially as I have only

met one other NYC person who shares this interest. (Hi Jeff, if you are

still on this list.)) I haven't noticed any definitive benefits from the

piracetam yet, but I do suspect that subtle

changes are taking place. Certainly my dreams have been more vivid lately,

but that could be due to other factors. I also seem to see " light " inside

my head with my eyes closed sometimes. (I hope this is not a problem). I

feel slightly smarter (good new business ideas), but it's a very subjective

feeling, and I can't say for sure. Probably I should have tested my IQ or

brain speed or something beforehand, but I didn't. Nonetheless, I am being

patient, as I understand that it takes a couple of weeks for piracetam to

really start working. I'll keep y'all posted.

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Moss wrote:

> Several months ago I decided to quit coffee. I had read on the Net that

> DMAE is a very mild stimulant, much preferable to coffee. It's available

> everywhere, and in fact is one of the cheapest supplements that is sold. I

> tried it, and it worked wonders for me. I started by taking 200 mgs/day

> when I got up in the morning. I felt alert and didn't miss the coffee.

>

> Now I take 100 mgs every other day. I don't really notice it at all,

> usually. However, I don't have the need for coffee any more. I just feel

> relatively alert all the time. (I also take gingko biloba too sometimes,

> and this may provide part of the alertness effect.)

DMAE is a precursor to acetylcholine, and supplying the brain with a precursor

nutrient will allow it to produce more, and wake you up. Phenylalanine is also

an acetylcholine precursor, so I imagine if taken together, they would be even

more effective. But I never thought DMAE is cheap. Where are you getting it if

you think so? ;-) 1000 mg a day is the nootropic dose of DMAE, so you can take

more without any chance of harm. (BTW, this is one of the most important

nutrients necessary to help ADD or ADHD, and that is a good dose for that

purpose)

1/4 to 1/2 gram of phenylalanine is a dose that is used with selegiline, a

pharmaceutical dopamine releaser, to trigger acetylcholine release to help

alleviate depression. So, I would guess that 300-500mg of DMAE and 250-500mg of

phenylalanine would wake you up better than coffee. Anyone who is a nervous or

edgy person, is phenylketoneuric, or suffers insomnia, should be more

conservative than this recommendation.

> P.S. I started taking piracetam about two weeks ago. ......I haven't noticed

any definitive benefits from the

> piracetam yet, but I do suspect that subtle

> changes are taking place............Nonetheless, I am being

> patient, as I understand that it takes a couple of weeks for piracetam to

> really start working.

I can't remember if I've been taking piracetam 3 or 4 weeks. ;-) I haven't

posted much about it because, as you say, the effects are subtle, and

continuous. They say it takes 2-3 weeks to feel the effects, but that doesn't

mean it accomplishes everything it can in that time. I expect it takes a lot

longer to do everything it will. But since one of it's most attractive abilities

is to allow brain cells to function normally in a hypoxic condition, who cares

how subtle it is.

It gives me energy, drive, and makes me impossibly cheerful. My wife is having a

difficult tme with menopause, exacerbated by the fact that she is a CPA & it is

the height of tax season. Two days after she told me she was moving out, into

her own place, we were sitting watching television, holding hands, after an

exhausting day for both of us, and laughing our heads off because it occurred to

us we were both so cheerful in spite of everything. (For those who care, don't

worry, we aren't separating or divorcing, just going through menopause

together ;-)

I have been astounded daily with the way it has enhanced my creativity and

insight to new heights. I have been writing rhyming poetry for 47 years, mostly

love poetry, and am getting quite good if I say so myself, and I do. But I

recently realized a secret desire just beneath my conscious mind has been to

write children's books with simple morals. So, I began writing poetry for

children's picture books and am halfway through the list, sending them to every

publisher who solicits them. Regardless of my success in publishing, my seven

grandchildren, so far, will have a legacy to remember me by that warms my heart

no end.

I have always been mildly dyslexic, in the sense that I transpose numbers and

letters in words. Not to a troublesome degree, but enough for me to notice.

Since I started piracetam I have found I am typing so much faster, and the

increase is making me transpose letters in more words. So, there is either some

change in my dyslectic coping mechanisms, or there is no change and my typing is

just getting too fast for my mind to keep up. The problem is worsened by the

fact that I am no longer paying attention to my typing, but am more lost in what

I

am thinking. ;-)

I have always been an arrogant ass who doesn't " suffer fools " very well. I have

fought against these tendencies all of my life, but lately I find I am

responding in a more kindly manner in that I am " spanking " instead of

" murdering " people over things I would have been less patient with only a month

ago. I don't have any more road rage. My physical, emotional & psychological

sense of well-being are almost rock-solid. My memory recall has improved. My

endurance has doubled or tripled, and I am accomplishing three times more than

normal. But

aside from these and a half-dozen other positive improvements, the effects of

piracetam are too subtle to say much about.

jim

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Jim,

It seems to me that pretty much everything you mention below as being

attributed to the Piracetam, you were attributing to Homozon just a few

months ago.

This is one problem with taking many different things. How do you know

which one is doing what?

> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:36:03 -0500

> From: Jim Lambert <jim@...>

> Subject: Re: DMAE and piracetam: was Dyslexia

>

> Moss wrote:

>

>> Several months ago I decided to quit coffee. I had read on the Net that

>> DMAE is a very mild stimulant, much preferable to coffee. It's available

>> everywhere, and in fact is one of the cheapest supplements that is sold. I

>> tried it, and it worked wonders for me. I started by taking 200 mgs/day

>> when I got up in the morning. I felt alert and didn't miss the coffee.

>>

>> Now I take 100 mgs every other day. I don't really notice it at all,

>> usually. However, I don't have the need for coffee any more. I just feel

>> relatively alert all the time. (I also take gingko biloba too sometimes,

>> and this may provide part of the alertness effect.)

>

> DMAE is a precursor to acetylcholine, and supplying the brain with a

> precursor nutrient will allow it to produce more, and wake you up.

> Phenylalanine is also an acetylcholine precursor, so I imagine if taken

> together, they would be even more effective. But I never thought DMAE is

> cheap. Where are you getting it if you think so? ;-) 1000 mg a day is the

> nootropic dose of DMAE, so you can take more without any chance of harm.

> (BTW, this is one of the most important nutrients necessary to help ADD or

> ADHD, and that is a good dose for that purpose)

> 1/4 to 1/2 gram of phenylalanine is a dose that is used with selegiline, a

> pharmaceutical dopamine releaser, to trigger acetylcholine release to help

> alleviate depression. So, I would guess that 300-500mg of DMAE and

> 250-500mg of phenylalanine would wake you up better than coffee. Anyone who

> is a nervous or edgy person, is phenylketoneuric, or suffers insomnia,

> should be more conservative than this recommendation.

>

>> P.S. I started taking piracetam about two weeks ago. ......I haven't

> noticed any definitive benefits from the

>> piracetam yet, but I do suspect that subtle

>> changes are taking place............Nonetheless, I am being

>> patient, as I understand that it takes a couple of weeks for piracetam to

>> really start working.

>

> I can't remember if I've been taking piracetam 3 or 4 weeks. ;-) I haven't

> posted much about it because, as you say, the effects are subtle, and

> continuous. They say it takes 2-3 weeks to feel the effects, but that

> doesn't mean it accomplishes everything it can in that time. I expect it

> takes a lot longer to do everything it will. But since one of it's most

> attractive abilities is to allow brain cells to function normally in a

> hypoxic condition, who cares how subtle it is.

>

> It gives me energy, drive, and makes me impossibly cheerful. My wife is

> having a difficult tme with menopause, exacerbated by the fact that she is

> a CPA & it is the height of tax season. Two days after she told me she was

> moving out, into her own place, we were sitting watching television,

> holding hands, after an exhausting day for both of us, and laughing our

> heads off because it occurred to us we were both so cheerful in spite of

> everything. (For those who care, don't worry, we aren't separating or

> divorcing, just going through menopause

> together ;-)

>

> I have been astounded daily with the way it has enhanced my creativity and

> insight to new heights. I have been writing rhyming poetry for 47 years,

> mostly love poetry, and am getting quite good if I say so myself, and I do.

> But I recently realized a secret desire just beneath my conscious mind has

> been to write children's books with simple morals. So, I began writing

> poetry for children's picture books and am halfway through the list,

> sending them to every publisher who solicits them. Regardless of my success

> in publishing, my seven

> grandchildren, so far, will have a legacy to remember me by that warms my

> heart no end.

>

> I have always been mildly dyslexic, in the sense that I transpose numbers

> and letters in words. Not to a troublesome degree, but enough for me to

> notice. Since I started piracetam I have found I am typing so much faster,

> and the increase is making me transpose letters in more words. So, there is

> either some change in my dyslectic coping mechanisms, or there is no change

> and my typing is just getting too fast for my mind to keep up. The problem

> is worsened by the fact that I am no longer paying attention to my typing,

> but am more lost in what I

> am thinking. ;-)

>

> I have always been an arrogant ass who doesn't " suffer fools " very well. I

> have fought against these tendencies all of my life, but lately I find I am

> responding in a more kindly manner in that I am " spanking " instead of

> " murdering " people over things I would have been less patient with only a

> month ago. I don't have any more road rage. My physical, emotional &

> psychological sense of well-being are almost rock-solid. My memory recall

> has improved. My endurance has doubled or tripled, and I am accomplishing

> three times more than normal. But

> aside from these and a half-dozen other positive improvements, the effects

> of piracetam are too subtle to say much about.

>

> jim

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Marcus wrote:

> It seems to me that pretty much everything you mention below as being

> attributed to the Piracetam, you were attributing to Homozon just a few

> months ago.

>

> This is one problem with taking many different things. How do you know

> which one is doing what?

Not really, . There are some similarities, but I am not surprised because

it is the oxygenation of the brain that gave me the understanding to realize the

possibilities of nootropic substances. When I initially took Homozon I

experienced a greater availability of oxygen in the brain, so my brain could

accomplish more. I had to put a hold on Homozon use when I got to a point where

the cleansing reaction was severe. Rather than stop cleaning out, I have gone in

other directions, cleaning out more slowly. But I was loathe to give up the

effects of increased oxygenation.

The nootropics, particularly piracetam allows the brains cells to operate

normally in a hypoxic condition, and further to protect them from neural damage.

They also raise the cell metabolish by increasing glucose turnover & ATP

production. So, the effect is similar, but by different means. Making oxygen

available to the cells doesn't mean they will or can use that extra O2.

Nootropics make that happen. I am using piracetam because that is the oldest &

most researched. Subjectively, I believe I preferred the amino acid version I

took for 2

weeks, arginine pyroglutamate, and will return to it in a couple of months. I'm

not surprised, I believe more natural is, as they say on the big island, " mo'

better. "

Another thing about nootropics is that each has its own specific effects, and

they are used in concert in the brain, so they should be taken in concert. The

only limit is what a person can afford to take. For example, piracetam makes

brain cells more efficient so they can accomplish more. This requires and

consumes more acetylcholine. DMAE is an acetylcholine precursor, and should be

taken with it.

I am effectively getting deeper into cell metabolism rather than simply making

things available to them. Cleanout, oxygenation & better diet are only part of

the picture. I am now studying enzymes, what actually makes things happen. It is

becoming clearer to me why I have read some of the stories I have on these lists

about why what works for one person doesn't work for another. A good place to

start on enzymes is " Enzyme Nutrition " by Dr. Howell, ISBN 0-89529-221-1.

As for the fact that I don't do things the way that you do, you in your way, me

in mine.

On this journey, I have encountered a naturopathic teaching doctor who is

willing to receive faxes from people asking questions. Faxes only because

telephone calls interrupt her seeing patients & teaching. One of the things she

says is necessary is called a Bio-terrain analysis, or BTA. This tells someone

like her what is going on in a specific individual's body so they can recommend

what is required to get past health roadblocks. I am looking for someone in my

area who can administer the test. Anyone interested in asking her questions may

email me privately for her number. I won't broadcast it openly to prevent an

avalanche on her. But in order to ask her questions, one has to have a written

summary description of what you would tell a new doctor about what you have

done, what you eat, and what is bothering you. She will need that info. And I

would recommend being brief & to the point.

I would be writing more about all of this, explaining things in greater detail,

but events in my personal life have sharply curtailed the amount of time I can

spend in front of the computer.

jim

> ...... But since one of it's most

> > attractive abilities is to allow brain cells to function normally in a

> > hypoxic condition, ....

> > It gives me energy, drive, and makes me impossibly cheerful....

> >

> > I have been astounded daily with the way it has enhanced my creativity and

> > insight to new heights. ............... So, there is

> > either some change in my dyslectic coping mechanisms, or there is no change

> > and my typing is just getting too fast for my mind to keep up. The problem

> > is worsened by the fact that I am no longer paying attention to my typing,

> > but am more lost in what I

> > am thinking. ;-)

> >

> >........ but lately I find I am

> > responding in a more kindly manner ......... My physical, emotional &

> > psychological sense of well-being are almost rock-solid. My memory recall

> > has improved. My endurance has doubled or tripled, and I am accomplishing

> > three times more than normal.

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