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Ya know what'd make it REALLY interesting and I just know that Ric would want

front row seats??

ADD MUD!

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OK, but I get to sell popcorn and soda..... and I get

to ring the bell to give you each a break and you will

have to go to your own corners,, lol

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OI!

*winds up for a haymaker with the wet noodle*

LOL!

anne

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Okay you can sell the popcorn and soda. As long as the proceeds go to the

Hepatitis C support a hepper fund. LOL

*smacks anne with a very small trout*

Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

OK, but I get to sell popcorn and soda..... and I get

to ring the bell to give you each a break and you will

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WOOHOO!!! LOL!

*winks @ Ric and picks up another noodle*

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smacks anne with a very small trout*

10 bucks on the Auzzie! " wink " @ anne

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Rut Roh!

ROFL!

Hey girls! Have you noticed that there's not one male in this fish 'n' noodle

fight????????

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someone give me a salmon,,,lol... hahaha,,

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Just the guy down front with the 10 bucks on the fight. Ric, this is a side

of you I haven't seen before.

Sal

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Rut Roh!

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Hey girls! Have you noticed that there's not one male in this fish 'n'

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Hey Ladies, I suggest that We take our fish and noodles and give Ric a good

Whop!!

LOL

Love

Janet

Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

Just the guy down front with the 10 bucks on the fight. Ric, this is a side

of you I haven't seen before.

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Rut Roh!

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Hey girls! Have you noticed that there's not one male in this fish 'n'

noodle fight????????

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Hehe , can I help ?

janet <doc_jade@...> wrote:Hey Ladies, I suggest that We take our fish and

noodles and give Ric a good Whop!!

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Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

Just the guy down front with the 10 bucks on the fight. Ric, this is a side

of you I haven't seen before.

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Rut Roh!

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I *knew* he was going to enjoy this too much. ROFL

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I'm on my way Ladies. Wait for me and keep that mud wet!

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Im on the way!!! lol

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THis is a very controversial topic-probably not one we want to debate here

amongst ourselves-but there is a theory out there that the

mercury/thimerosol that used to be in the immunizations could have caused

autism-just google it I am sure ther is info out there.

Becky in IN-mom to Maddie, age 10, IgA def, low IgG-possible CVID-waiting

for test results

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I'm sorry to hear of this. I went through something similar when I was a little girl. My aunt (Who lived in Flushing, New York), was alone in her apt, when she passed away. No one found her for about 10 days.

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It is actually a way to create a more detailed personal info page on par

with MySpace or tribe.net etc. It is a way to put your personal info, a

blog, pictures etc. up on for people to connect with you.

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It is actually a way to create a more detailed personal info page on par

with MySpace or tribe.net etc. It is a way to put your personal info, a

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Well, the other candidates along with the media are doing their best to make the people think that, so I guess it is working with you? Some of us are really listening to what Ron says and his ideas and convictions can't possibly come from an idiot. He is actually thinking, which I am sad to say, many Americans aren't.

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I agree with you. I think he has some extreme ideas, but I also know

that Washington will never let him fully implement it. The thing is,

he might be able to change enough to make it all more reasonable.

Like, I don't think we could fully privatize social security, but why

not a portion? I was looking at a statement for someone who, over the

course of his work life (he's 40) has paid in $55,000 in FICA, and his

employers have paid in $55k, for a total of $110,000 so far. When I

was taking economics we were shown a graph that if $1,000 was invested

and nothing else added, and interest was accrued over so many decades,

I can't remember for sure, like 40-50 yrs, following the yearly

average of the stock market through history, even through the Great

Depression, the person would have nearly 2 million dollars. So why not

take $1,000 out of the $14,000 paid in yearly for working Americans

and allow them to invest it privately?

Same with health savings accounts. I think right now we're limited to

something like $5,250/family/year that can be put aside for medical

expense. Why not more? If a family can set aside $10k/yr, then why

not? Sure, that would be used in a day in ICU, but the point is to

grow it while keeping catastrophic coverage. For my healthy girls, if

I could put back just $1k/yrly into an accruing medical savings at

birth, without penalty or taxes, in 18 -20 yrs she could have a nice

nest egg for health-related issues, while only carrying a catastrophic

policy. Sure, for our kids with ASD it's near impossible, but it's a

start to lower the cost of health care. I'm telling you from personal

experience, when we pay for our own care instead of thinking a health

insurance co magically pays for everything, health insurance will go down.

Do I think can/should go as radical as he desires? No, I don't

think it's practical, despite it sounding good on paper. But that's

what Washington needs, someone extreme enough to bring about change.

No one who is part of the establishment, be it , Clinton,

Romney, or McCain can change anything, they're too much like the rest.

Someone like could bring about some change, while the

establishment keeps it from going too extreme.

Debi

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paper but in reality it will be a nightmare for some of us. The idea

of paying no taxes but getting no services either is very bad for a

lot people with ASD kids with moderate to severe problems. Let's say

an average family will save from paying taxes an average amount of

$25.000.00 per year and then have to provide school for their child.

Well, if you're a family that wants your child to go to school and is

not capable of home schooling, it will be difficult for that family to

find an appropriate school for $25K with all the services and aids

that the child may need. Some schools in the country for ASD kids,

will charge from 40$ to 80K per year or more. The way I see it, for my

child 25K would be more then enough because he has a mild autism and

he is verbal (conversational), but how about the parents with a very

severe child? Who will provide the services that they need. I think

Ron 's system is good

> for some healthy senior citizen that wants to keep their money and

don't have kids to provide education and health care for kids. They'd

be very happy with his system. What the current system does here is,

they take the money from someone that does not need so much and apply

to the ones that needs a lot and that is a good system if done

appropriately. The average system.

> Leigh

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Jeanine,

For Rochester, I know of Rochester ReUseIt. Monroe County, which includes

Rochester, has a Freecycle group. I don't know of any others. Too bad I don't

have that issue!

Beth

www.SoapAndGarden.com

In a message dated 10/18/08 08:04:21 Eastern Daylight Time, jlv40@...

writes:

I am looking for #4 of Wegman's Menu magazine. This would probably be early

2002. I found some of the older magazines on our local Freecycle list. Is

there a freecycle list that is specific for the Rochester or other local

area?

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Thanks Beth.

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Jeanine,

For Rochester, I know of Rochester ReUseIt. Monroe County, which includes

Rochester, has a Freecycle group. I don't know of any others. Too bad I

don't have that issue!

Beth

www.SoapAndGarden.com

In a message dated 10/18/08 08:04:21 Eastern Daylight Time,

jlv40@... writes:

I am looking for #4 of Wegman's Menu magazine. This would probably be

early

2002. I found some of the older magazines on our local Freecycle list. Is

there a freecycle list that is specific for the Rochester or other local

area?

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Would this be of any help if you can't find otherwise?

https://shop.wegmans.com/item_detail.asp?ici=26493

Bill

In a message dated 10/18/08 08:04:21 Eastern Daylight Time, jlv40@...

writes:

I am looking for #4 of Wegman's Menu magazine. This would probably be early

2002. I found some of the older magazines on our local Freecycle list. Is

there a freecycle list that is specific for the Rochester or other local

area?

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Hi Bill,

I contacted Wegman's and they said this issue was no longer available but

they offered some others. Don't need 'others' LOL.

I did get two issues I was missing by posting on the local freecycle list.

Have just joined a couple of lists in the Rochester area. You never know...

Jeanine

Jeanine's Hummingbird Soap Works

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Would this be of any help if you can't find otherwise?

https://shop.wegmans.com/item_detail.asp?ici=26493

Bill

In a message dated 10/18/08 08:04:21 Eastern Daylight Time,

jlv40@... writes:

I am looking for #4 of Wegman's Menu magazine. This would probably be

early

2002. I found some of the older magazines on our local Freecycle list. Is

there a freecycle list that is specific for the Rochester or other local

area?

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Good one,, Dan

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008

10:59 AM

D Beebe, D.C.; Dave

MCTEAGUE

Cc: oregondc; Don Fox

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Hi all

Forgot to suggest that we redistribute the extra credit

hours from the Doc's that have extra to those who don't have enough. Wadda ya

think?

Dr B

Request for Comments (OAR 811-015-0025)

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> OBCE Rules Advisory Committee

> Re: Request for Comments on proposed changes in the CE rule

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> Committee members,

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> Following discussions at the September OBCE meeting, the Board proposed

> three changes in the continuing education rule. The proposal would

> allow the OBCE to determine specific continuing education course

> requirements for an upcoming licensure year at any meeting; provide that

> at least 50% of credit hours must be obtained from a live and in-person

> course or seminar, and that a minimum of 10% and up to 100% may be

> audited for compliance.

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> Your comments are requested and will be shared with the OBCE. Here

is

> the public notice and rule language.

> http://www.oregon.gov/OBCE/pdfs/Proposed_CE_Rule.pdf

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> Comments can emailed back to me, or faxed to 503 362-1260, or sent by

> regular mail to the OBCE address below.

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> The identified need for the rule is: The current rule for specific

> course requirements was based on annual renewals, but the agency has

> changed to birth-month renewal. This change is needed so the Board can

> make this determination when it is needed, not just May of each ear. The

> proposed 50% requirement for live in-person seminars addresses a concern

> that some licensees are not taking appropriate continuing education and

> are missing the benefits of contact with other doctors. The proposed

> change allowing the Board to audit more than 10% addresses a concern

> that some doctors are not fulfilling their annual continuing education

> requirements.

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> A summary of the discussion in September can be found in the OBCE public

> minutes, Agenda Item # 6.

> http://www.oregon.gov/OBCE/minutes/Sept08_PubMins.pdf

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> Oregon

Board of Chiropractic Examiners

> 3218 Pringle Road SE # 150

> Salem, Oregon 97302

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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008

12:24 PM

' D Beebe, D.C.'; 'Dave

MCTEAGUE'

Cc: 'oregondc'; 'Don Fox'

Subject: RE: OT

Good one,, Dan Beeson

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of D Beebe, D.C.

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008

10:59 AM

D Beebe, D.C.; Dave

MCTEAGUE

Cc: oregondc; Don Fox

Subject: OT

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Hi all

Forgot to

suggest that we redistribute the extra credit hours from the Doc's that have

extra to those who don't have enough. Wadda ya think?

Dr B

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Message -----

From:

D Beebe, D.C.

Dave MCTEAGUE

Cc: oregondc ; Don Fox

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:50 AM

Subject: Re: Request for Comments on CE rule

proposed changes (OAR811-015-0025)

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To require

face to face, ie live seminars is ridiculous. Those people who wish to go to

seminars will, those that would rather not should be able to get the continuing

education as they feel comfortable. It should not be the governments position

to dictate the environment of continued education but oversee the continued

education.

Yet

again, this is an example in where a governmental agency is backing

special interest groups over what is good for the citizens. The board's role is

to protect public safety. Please explain to me the rational that indicates

there is any substantial increase in public safety given the scenario that Dr

McClure has argued.

The public

does not care, nor is there any difference in the education of a DC

who has viewed a DVD of a seminar versus a DC who was at the seminar.

If , in fact, there is statistical evidence of greater competency in a face to

face encounter I woul\d appreciate a copy of those studies. In that the

role of the OBCE is to ensure public safety I see Dr McClure's opinion of the

situation as being outside of the board's scope.

Respectfully

Dr Beebe

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Original Message -----

From: Dave

MCTEAGUE

Oregon DCs

Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:28 PM

Subject: Request for Comments on CE rule

proposed changes (OAR811-015-0025)

All,

Here are comments from OBCE member Joyce McClure DC.

Note she says this

reflects her views. Dr. McClure chairs the Rules Advisory Committee.

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Let me first preface my comments by saying that this is my personal

opinion, (not the OBCE/Board opinion):

I am in favor of improved competency, which is why I suggested we go

this route, quite independent of the associations' goals. Competency

vs Continuing Education is the national trend for health care

professionals.

Oregon

has one of the broadest scopes of practice in the country, and

in order to ensure that our scope is maintained and properly

" serviced " , it is my personal opinion that we would benefit from

stronger Continuing Competency practices. Peer contact does, to some

extent, encourage and revitalize professional interest, and stimulates

constructive dialogue. Thus, it furthers acquired knowledge base (vs

video hours, for example, which can be quite instructive for the highly

motivated DC, but often are solely utilized to fulfill the hours

requirement as inexpensively as possible, or as expediently as possible

if the doctor has waited until the last minute. In these cases, absent

a test at the end, the video courses may require little actual

engagement by the DC.)

In the bigger picture, (in my opinion), one of the best ways of

ensuring enthusiasm and a healthy practice is to maintain one's

professional competency by staying abreast of the latest

techniques/research/practice parameters in the DC's area of personal

interest. Live seminars MAY incur extra cost for remote rural

practitioners, or for those who don¹t plan ahead well. For example (not

that Bend

is remote, but it is a distance

that easily comes to mind for comparison purposes):

Hotel room (inexpensive) $79

Fuel $53

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Total $134*

*Actual results may vary.

Based on: $79/night for an inexpensive hotel room IF the person had to

travel and didn't have a colleague or friend that they wanted to stay

with.

Gas money- say a round trip from Portland

to Bend

@ 150 miles '/. 20

mpg =7.5 gals x $3.50/gal =$26 x2 (RT) = $53.

Of course the cost of the education itself is a constant, no matter

what one chooses: some seminars are cheap or free, some are quite

expensive. For example, Dr. Guerrero reminded me of a group that Dr.

Lee Cowan started in the East

County (Gresham area)

which has been

meeting monthly for some

time: each month a DC presents a case to the group and there is

discussion. I think this sort of meeting would constitute valid

" live "

education at almost no cost. Yet it would engage the mind of

participating DCs and foster peer interaction. This is completely

'non-denominational.' Another option might be to volunteer for

participation on Board committees. There is continuing education

credit for some of these active participation hours There may also be

opportunities to proctor continuing ed classes offered at WSCC or for

traveling seminars that are available at reduced or no cost to the

doctor willing to sit at the door and check people in and out.

Perhaps if there is a real difficulty with $$, and an association want

to support their members, a needs-based scholarship would be

established, OR maybe the Board wouldn't require the hours to be in

person until a DCs third year in practice... I¹m sure there could be

other possible solutions out there.

I'm quite certain that if the proposed rule passes, that many more live

seminar opportunities will arise. Let me also be clear that while the

Board was pleased to learn that the state associations were interested

in this idea, it was completely independent of the Board's initial

discussion and direction. And, of course, the Board would not influence

the profession to attend any particular seminar, and in fact, these

could (as now) be taken out of state.

It would be a shame if an opportunity for improvement was lost due to

the completely erroneous perception that the OBCE was fostering this

change to suit the state association(s). Nothing could be further from

the truth. Having said that, I DO think it is wonderful to have open

dialogue between the OBCE, the state association(s) and individual DCs,

as well as any of our other stakeholders. I believe this serves all of

the OBCE stakeholders.

Lastly, to address concerns of some re: the ³timing² vs. current

economy, perhaps this is something that we might set to start one year

from now. This would allow our doctors as well as those who deliver

continuing education a little lead time to ease the transition.

Joyce McClure DC DACRB

>

> Request for Comments (OAR 811-015-0025)

>

> OBCE Rules Advisory Committee

> Re: Request for Comments on proposed changes in the CE rule

>

> Committee members,

>

> Following discussions at the September OBCE meeting, the Board proposed

> three changes in the continuing education rule. The proposal would

> allow the OBCE to determine specific continuing education course

> requirements for an upcoming licensure year at any meeting; provide that

> at least 50% of credit hours must be obtained from a live and in-person

> course or seminar, and that a minimum of 10% and up to 100% may be

> audited for compliance.

>

> Your comments are requested and will be shared with the OBCE. Here

is

> the public notice and rule language.

> http://www.oregon.gov/OBCE/pdfs/Proposed_CE_Rule.pdf

>

> Comments can emailed back to me, or faxed to 503 362-1260, or sent by

> regular mail to the OBCE address below.

>

> The identified need for the rule is: The current rule for specific

> course requirements was based on annual renewals, but the agency has

> changed to birth-month renewal. This change is needed so the Board can

> make this determination when it is needed, not just May of each ear. The

> proposed 50% requirement for live in-person seminars addresses a concern

> that some licensees are not taking appropriate continuing education and

> are missing the benefits of contact with other doctors. The proposed

> change allowing the Board to audit more than 10% addresses a concern

> that some doctors are not fulfilling their annual continuing education

> requirements.

>

> A summary of the discussion in September can be found in the OBCE public

> minutes, Agenda Item # 6.

> http://www.oregon.gov/OBCE/minutes/Sept08_PubMins.pdf

>

> Please welcome Dr. Marcella Box the Rules Advisory Committee.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir.

> Oregon

Board of Chiropractic Examiners

> 3218 Pringle Road

SE # 150

> Salem,

Oregon 97302

> 503-378-5816 ext. 23

> 503-362-1260 (fax)

>

> http://www.oregon.gov/OBCE

>

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> Would you mind telling me about this? My poor daughter hasn't found any

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