Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Far as I know, a nutritional doctor. Like Ernst Krebs and Paavo Airola, those guys in the 70's using laetrile and vitamins. Aslan's Gerovital KH-3. Now they have a more organized approach, and a license on top of the MD and state. ICAN, international college of applied nutrition. I believe it was started by Airola in Finland. Jan Chociej, the Czech hands healer studied by Thelma Moss was one of these guys. His Kirlian photos were 5 times that of everyone else, and his cases got better almost instantaneously for no explicable reason. There really are guys like that. Nothing to do with faith or religion. He didn't tell people what he was doing. He was a surgeon in Long Beach. I would never have believed it but saw it happen. This may have changed, but that's what it was for a long time. Of course, I do not use them. PA with my Hx is too serious to " bet your life, " as you say. Dave On Jun 2, 2005, at 9:42 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote: > what is an ND? > > > > May your pressure be low! > > Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS > Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology > Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center > Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension > > Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts > in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, > endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes. > Listed in Best Doctors in America > Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the > History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 In a message dated 6/3/05 1:25:13 AM, dave@... writes: Far as I know, a nutritional doctor. Like Ernst Krebs and Paavo Airola, those guys in the 70's using laetrile and vitamins. Aslan's Gerovital KH-3. Now they have a more organized approach, and a license on top of the MD and state. ICAN, international college of applied nutrition. I believe it was started by Airola in Finland. Jan Chociej, the Czech hands healer studied by Thelma Moss was one of these guys. His Kirlian photos were 5 times that of everyone else, and his cases got better almost instantaneously for no explicable reason. There really are guys like that. Nothing to do with faith or religion. He didn't tell people what he was doing. He was a surgeon in Long Beach. I would never have believed it but saw it happen. The amazing Randy would be good to debunk these guys. May your pressure be low! Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes. Listed in Best Doctors in America Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 In a message dated 6/3/05 1:06:08 PM, farahbar@... writes: P.S. by the way they have no answer for PA As well as most other health problems is my guess. At least I never seem to see any valid scientific reports (such as randomized clinical trials) on what they do. The basic belief in toxic products in the body is itself bizzare. May your pressure be low! Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes. Listed in Best Doctors in America Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 An ND is a Naturopathic Doctor interested in natural healing as taught in Bastyr University in Seattle, WA. and they dont believe in taking medications other than hollistic approach and herbs, they believe that any medical problem is due to a certain toxification of the body and therefore taking combination of certain foods and herbs would detox the effected area. So of course different combination of foods and herbs for different problems. Farah P.S. by the way they have no answer for PA Dave <dave@...> wrote: Far as I know, a nutritional doctor. Like Ernst Krebs and Paavo Airola, those guys in the 70's using laetrile and vitamins. Aslan's Gerovital KH-3. Now they have a more organized approach, and a license on top of the MD and state. ICAN, international college of applied nutrition. I believe it was started by Airola in Finland. Jan Chociej, the Czech hands healer studied by Thelma Moss was one of these guys. His Kirlian photos were 5 times that of everyone else, and his cases got better almost instantaneously for no explicable reason. There really are guys like that. Nothing to do with faith or religion. He didn't tell people what he was doing. He was a surgeon in Long Beach. I would never have believed it but saw it happen.This may have changed, but that's what it was for a long time. Of course, I do not use them. PA with my Hx is too serious to "bet your life," as you say.DaveOn Jun 2, 2005, at 9:42 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:> what is an ND?>>>> May your pressure be low!>> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS> Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology> Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension>> Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts > in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, > endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.> Listed in Best Doctors in America> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the > History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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