Re: Metabolic Types Chart-Short Version

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:35:50 -0500

From: Marcus <csharp@...>

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Subject: Re: Metabolic Types Chart-Short Version

From: Marcus <csharp@...>

On 11/30/98 12:59 PM, tharrels@... said:

>Vilik and interested others, Hi! Please go to the Web-Page below to

see

>a short version of Dr. Kelley's Metabolic Types Chart.

Question:

Is there a simple test one can take (self-test) to determine

what category one fits in?

Personally, I believe most of this is observational only, and

that the metabolism types would change as you changed your diet.

In other words, if someone who eats a lot of meat suddenly

stopped, and went on a total fruit diet, yes they would feel

horrible, and yes, they would feel MUCH better when going back

to meat...but if they start SLOWLY, they can wean themselves

off of meat, with little or no consequence, and feel fine.

While there are always exceptions to the rule, I do not believe

that this concept (permanent metabolism labeling) is valid,

except maybe as a guideline to use for TRANSITIONAL diets,

or in other words, making dietary changes of a permanent nature.

It has been shown time and again that metabolism is very

profoundly affected by diet. Is this issue addressed by Dr

Kelley?

Marcus

and interested others, Hi! Dr. Kelley's Self-Test is quite

lengthy (85 pgs.-questionnaire). I've seen several other people's

shortened versions, which might be a quicker way to find our Metabolic

Type. They might be worth comparing with the original Dr. Kelley's

Self-Test. I have a copy of the original and at least two shortened

versions. I remember that when I took Dr. Kelley's Self-Test about 20

years ago, I was only about 1/4 of the way through the questions, when I

definitely noticed a very strong pattern towards a particular Metabolic

Type at that time. I believe that some of us can change our Metabolic

Type, but there are REAL limitations, which can vary with each

individual, depending on our genetic heritage and what diet we ate,

while growing up. Whatever the case, doing the test will definitely

help us to fine-tune our diet!

There is research, but then our own common sense, that tells us

that people in other lands would have to eat different diets. That diet

could be as diverse as the Eskimo, who eats about 10 pounds of meat per

day along with emormous amounts of saturated fats to the East Indian,

who basically eats only vegetables. We might say to the Eskimos, " You

should eat more vegetables to get a balanced diet, so that you can be

really healthy! " But would we be right in our thinking by doing that?

Or say, " You should do a detox program and then SLOWLY start eating more

vegetables " . But then we would see, if we really looked at the Eskimos,

that they have shown NO evidence whatsoever for centuries of having

Cancer or Cardiovascular diseases! The Eskimos have to live in an

extremely cold climate, thus having to develop a genetic need for high

protein and high fat, so that natural adaptation had to occur in order

for them to SURVIVE the bitter COLD!! Maybe this is an extreme example,

but we could take a look at other climates and soil conditions, and we

would still come to the same conclusion again, that we really do have

different Metabolic Types.

I see that there are other posts on this topic, so I'll move on and

try to answer them also to the best of my ability. This is a very

important subject and it will probably take a little while to completely

understand it!

Tom

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:59:03 -0500

From: Jim Lambert <jim@...>

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Subject: Re: Metabolic Types Chart-Short Version

From: Jim Lambert <jim@...>

Marcus wrote:

> Is there a simple test one can take (self-test) to determine

> what category one fits in?

Yes. I bought the book when it was available, but while my daughter was

watching my month-old puppies, they somehow managed to poop on the book.

So, I wrapped it in saran wrap & have always intended typing the

questions into a computer for my family. My sister is a typist, and I

recently realized

if I mask & glove myself while I put the pages in plastic protector

sheets & seal them, I can ask my sister for the favor.

jim

Hi Jim! I would really like to see that questionnaire typed up, but I

also know, that I'm too SLOW of a typist to be able to get it done in a

reasonable amount of time! I would appreciate it very much myself, if

your sister would type it up! I'm wondering though, is there enough

interest from the List to make such a chore worthwhile? I'll make

copies of any pages, that are unreadable for your sister, if need be.

OK?

Tom

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On 11/30/98 12:59 PM, tharrels@... said:

>Vilik and interested others, Hi! Please go to the Web-Page below to see

>a short version of Dr. Kelley's Metabolic Types Chart.

Question:

Is there a simple test one can take (self-test) to determine

what category one fits in?

Personally, I believe most of this is observational only, and

that the metabolism types would change as you changed your diet.

In other words, if someone who eats a lot of meat suddenly

stopped, and went on a total fruit diet, yes they would feel

horrible, and yes, they would feel MUCH better when going back

to meat...but if they start SLOWLY, they can wean themselves

off of meat, with little or no consequence, and feel fine.

While there are always exceptions to the rule, I do not believe

that this concept (permanent metabolism labeling) is valid,

except maybe as a guideline to use for TRANSITIONAL diets,

or in other words, making dietary changes of a permanent nature.

It has been shown time and again that metabolism is very

profoundly affected by diet. Is this issue addressed by Dr

Kelley?

Marcus

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Marcus wrote:

> Is there a simple test one can take (self-test) to determine

> what category one fits in?

Yes. I bought the book when it was available, but while my daughter was

watching my month-old puppies, they somehow managed to poop on the book. So, I

wrapped it in saran wrap & have always intended typing the questions into a

computer for my family. My sister is a typist, and I recently realized

if I mask & glove myself while I put the pages in plastic protector sheets &

seal them, I can ask my sister for the favor.

The test is a bunch of question about reactions to foods, likes/dislikes, and is

an education just reading the questions.

> It has been shown time and again that metabolism is very

> profoundly affected by diet. Is this issue addressed by Dr

> Kelley?

Yes, but I feel you miss the point about metabolic type, . Sure, all

those things you say are true, but it seems to me, and this is what the Kelley

test is about, that each of our bodies has certain things it should or should

not consume. Period. Regardless of diet. Some people can't

handle milk. As with blood type, it is not dietary. It is the chemistry of our

individual bodies. We are all like snowflakes, no two the same. At least,

that's my opinion.

jim

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On 11/30/98 2:59 PM, jim@... said:

>> Is there a simple test one can take (self-test) to determine

>> what category one fits in?

>

>Yes. I bought the book when it was available, but while my daughter was

>watching my month-old puppies, they somehow managed to poop on the book.

>So, I wrapped it in saran wrap & have always intended typing the questions

>into a computer for my family. My sister is a typist, and I recently

>realized

>if I mask & glove myself while I put the pages in plastic protector sheets

> & seal them, I can ask my sister for the favor.

>

>The test is a bunch of question about reactions to foods, likes/dislikes,

>and is an education just reading the questions.

Does this mean you will be posting the questions? Or are

you suggesting I buy the book?

>> It has been shown time and again that metabolism is very

>> profoundly affected by diet. Is this issue addressed by Dr

>> Kelley?

>

>Yes, but I feel you miss the point about metabolic type, . Sure,

>all those things you say are true, but it seems to me, and this is what

>the Kelley test is about, that each of our bodies has certain things it

>should or should not consume. Period. Regardless of diet. Some people

>can't

>handle milk. As with blood type, it is not dietary. It is the chemistry

>of our individual bodies. We are all like snowflakes, no two the same. At

>least, that's my opinion.

I understand...personally, I believe that we are all more alike

than different, and that while some people may actually have

real, genetic allergies to certain foods or substances (like

people who die from one bee sting), most of them are simply

due to poor diet. There have been too many cases of food allergies

completely disappearing after someone completes a thorough cleansing

program. The biggest problem with this fact is that most people do

not complete the program...they detox for a week or a month, then

return to their old ways. Yes, if someone doesn't want to thoroughly

cleanse their bodies, then they would probably benefit greatly from

makeing certain dietary adjustments...I'm a purist though, and guess

I always will be.

I just can't see The Creator (or Nature, for the spiritually impaired)

making it so complicated -

Marcus

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Marcus wrote:

> Does this mean you will be posting the questions? Or are

> you suggesting I buy the book?

Possibly. The book has been out of print for about 20 years. Kelley didn't

like the fact that people with serious ilnesses were using it to diagnose

themself without a professional assist.

jim

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Ok Gang - I am an extremely fast typist - I will volunteer to type it up for

the whole group if you can wait until Christmas or New Years for me to type

it. I work a part-time job during the Christmas season so it will be the week

after Christmas before I could get started. I was in engineering for 20 years

and my average spec book was 300 pages - I would put together 2 - 3 of those

in a given week. Now granted alot of that was cut and paste, but sometimes

not. So whoever has it - send me a private email & I'll give you my address

to mail it to.

two cents,

jeannine

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From: DeathBH@...

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:45:15 EST

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Subject: Re: Metabolic Types Chart-Short Version

From: DeathBH@...

Ok Gang - I am an extremely fast typist - I will volunteer to type it up

for

the whole group if you can wait until Christmas or New Years for me to

type

it. I work a part-time job during the Christmas season so it will be the

week

after Christmas before I could get started. I was in engineering for 20

years

and my average spec book was 300 pages - I would put together 2 - 3 of

those

in a given week. Now granted alot of that was cut and paste, but

sometimes

not. So whoever has it - send me a private email & I'll give you my

address

to mail it to.

two cents,

jeannine

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Jeannine, I think that is very admirable, that you want to volunteer to

type up Dr. Kelley's Self-Test! Money is very tight for me, so that I

can't afford to get copies made and sent of this manual right now, but

probably will be able to do it by the time, that you're ready to type

it. But then, I'm wondering if Jim is going to get his sister to type

it or what (?). We'll probably find out soon enough.

Tom