Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 My basic attitude about doctors is that really they are nothing more or less then mechanics. They are able to help with the mechanics of our bodies-sometimes. This is not meant in any way to be disrespectful. They serve a useful purpose, so by Herzberg's rate of measure they get to live. As soon as Herzberg and his cohorts don't serve a useful purpose no doubt they will be dumped unceremoniously into nursing homes by children who will enjoy the spoils of the illustrious doctors' contributions to society and the bank. My own observations lead me to believe that we glorify doctors and thus many of us take their opinions to have more weight or merit then that of mere mortals. Who gives a rat's what Herzberg (or Motley-who wrote a similiar letter that made Herzberg's sound like nothing much at all) thinks? Not I. It's a mean ugly world out there for many people (not just the disabled,) and I will navigate it for me and mine as best I can. I make it a hard and fast rule to never consider the doctor's opinion for anything other then physical ailments. I don't consider DS to be an ailment. It is a state of being. Before Amelia came along my response to people with DS was not all that great. The R word was in my vocab, I avoided eye contact with people with any disability, and I certainly was not going to be the mother of a child with a disability. What is painfully obvious to me now is that it was I who was disabled- in my attitude. I was definitely morally challenged(no doubt there are those who will say I still am-I've just moved onto more fertile ground-doctors who think too much of themselves. I have been on the receiving end of more then one.) There are qualities to my daughter that I am sure are a direct result of being a person with a disability. Her unabashed joy at seeing me walk through the door, the hugs,and the strides she makes-I get all three each and every day with her. Those of us with these kids are qualified to talk about the difficulties (which absolutely do exist)of being the parent of a child with DS. No one else. As far as the toll our kids may or may not take on the economy? Well once you get rid of the smokers, the drinkers, the druggers, the obese, and the depressed (all of whom do hard core damage to the Gross National Product) then perhaps that conversation will be palatable to some-but hell, none of us will be left! Lastly I am still too much of a feminist to feel comfortable telling people what to do with their choices but I read something recently that really spoke to me about the issue of abortion in general. Why do the feminist feel the need to take their stand on a mountain of eviscerated babies? Very sharp words, but considering the reckless abandon with which our babies are thrown on that mountain I have to say I wonder the same thing. Do I still get to be a feminist if I say this? Yes, I think I do. Ann (mother to Amelia 7 w/ds and Jake 5) --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Ann Masch writes:>>>>>>>>> My basic attitude about doctors is that really they are nothing more or less then mechanics. They are able to help with the mechanics of our bodies-sometimes. This is not meant in any way to be disrespectful. They serve a useful purpose, so by Herzberg's rate of measure they get to live. [snip] <<<<<<<<<< Let me politely disagree. Our experience with doctors has generally been positive from the announcement by the OB and pediatrician that our daughter had down syndrome to the present. We have been treated respectfully and their advice has generally been extremely good. When, in her late 20's, Jan had a series of real life threatening diseases from pyoderma gangranosam (so rare it doesn't have a common name) to a stroke and AML which was put into remission and then recurred, finally cured by by bone marrow transplant. Let's step back. Roughly half our kids with down syndrome are born with heart defects which caused many, many to die young. Today the medical profession treats most of these successfully and the life span for those with down syndrome has taken leaps in the past quarter century. Sure there are doctors not adequately prepared to deal with all aspects of down syndrome, but that is true of many things since DS is usually only introduced in medical education in only a few lectures. My daughter took part in those lectures for about fifteen years at Yale medical school, showing the humanity of someone with down syndrome. There are areas of difficulty, particularly in some of the advice given to prospective parents that can lead to abortion when DS is suspected, but that is a small part of the really big picture. Rick .. dad to 34 year old Jan who spent her day as a volunteer helping adults more disabled than herself. :-) In honesty, I have to admit some conflict of interest. When Jan was 10, her Mom started med school. Now there is one more physician who understands down syndrome, though not as much as Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 My 2 cents on Drs: I do use caution with Dr's decisions on medication and invasive tests. The Drs are well meaning, but sometimes it is best to let things go and take care of it on its own. I know this doesn't work for everything, but I just want parents to know they have a choice not to take the Dr's advice. And you should always have the Drs expand on their advice and to discuss with you the bad consequences of taking or not taking their advice. B/C like us, doctors do make mistakes and react different to problems (too lax or too cautious). ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rick Dill Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:55 PM Upsndowns Subject: re: Disturbing doctors Ann Masch writes:>>>>>>>>> My basic attitude about doctors is that really they are nothing more or less then mechanics. They are able to help with the mechanics of our bodies-sometimes. This is not meant in any way to be disrespectful. They serve a useful purpose, so by Herzberg's rate of measure they get to live. [snip] <<<<<<<<<< Let me politely disagree. Our experience with doctors has generally been positive from the announcement by the OB and pediatrician that our daughter had down syndrome to the present. We have been treated respectfully and their advice has generally been extremely good. When, in her late 20's, Jan had a series of real life threatening diseases from pyoderma gangranosam (so rare it doesn't have a common name) to a stroke and AML which was put into remission and then recurred, finally cured by by bone marrow transplant. Let's step back. Roughly half our kids with down syndrome are born with heart defects which caused many, many to die young. Today the medical profession treats most of these successfully and the life span for those with down syndrome has taken leaps in the past quarter century. Sure there are doctors not adequately prepared to deal with all aspects of down syndrome, but that is true of many things since DS is usually only introduced in medical education in only a few lectures. My daughter took part in those lectures for about fifteen years at Yale medical school, showing the humanity of someone with down syndrome. There are areas of difficulty, particularly in some of the advice given to prospective parents that can lead to abortion when DS is suspected, but that is a small part of the really big picture. Rick .. dad to 34 year old Jan who spent her day as a volunteer helping adults more disabled than herself. :-) In honesty, I have to admit some conflict of interest. When Jan was 10, her Mom started med school. Now there is one more physician who understands down syndrome, though not as much as Jan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck & Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp & Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu - direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I believe my first bit of sound advice about doctors came from on the list... he said, " Mom, you don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing. " Sometimes we know best what is happening with our kids and sometimes we are clueless. It's very good to have a doctor that you can trust and vitally important that you trust your own instincts. Just my 2 cents. So now you have 4... In a message dated 5/16/2007 9:25:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, christopher_townsend@... writes: My 2 cents on Drs: I do use caution with Dr's decisions on medication and invasive tests. The Drs are well meaning, but sometimes it is best to let things go and take care of it on its own. I know this doesn't work for everything, but I just want parents to know they have a choice not to take the Dr's advice. And you should always have the Drs expand on their advice and to discuss with you the bad consequences of taking or not taking their advice. B/C like us, doctors do make mistakes and react different to problems (too lax or too cautious). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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