Re: Re: Antioxidant supplementation

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This is the most interesting approach I have heard. Codiene phosphate!

That is an electrolytic preparaton, or chelate? Primrose oil is

amazing. Terrific antioxidant complex. There are some

well-established cardiology/endo-diabetes practitioners here is the

Pharmo Religion dominated USA who use antioxidant therapy for HTN with

good results, but the adrenal PA & 2ndary HA pts respond better with

SOME Spiro, Inspra, etc too. Just lower doses than w/o the

antioxidants, such as :

L-Theonine cold-pressed extract (from green tea, along with 2 cups of

the actual tea per day)

Omega-3 fatty acids (Alaska wild salmon & sardines, PLUS good pressed

oils therefrom)

wild (tiny) blueberries plus supplement therefrom. The canned ones

from Wyman's are top-rated for antioxidant absorption/utilisation.

There are others, to vary in diets, but these are the strongest with

their as-yet non-isolated synergists present.

Tell me, do you use calcium carbonate? What is the cortisol for?

Headaches are a warning message as the pharmaceutical researchers say

(including me).

Dave

On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 04:36 AM, helenmpearson wrote:

> Codeine Phosphate 30mg as required (one every 4 hours if necessary -

> I try to take it only at night as it makes me very spaced out and

> also gives me the runs despite the warning of constipation side-

> effect)

> Hydrocortisol 2.5mg daily if required (don't usually take this as it

> increases the head-ache)

> Evening Primrose Oil

> Calcium & Vit D supplements.

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> High K / Low Na gluten-free diet

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> That's it.

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>> CE Grim MD

>> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

>> Professor of Epidemiology

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>> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

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[Guest guest]

Suggest you look at NaturalDatabase.com before you take any nutriceuticals.

Recall that none of the preparations are regulated by anyone and you never know what you are getting. Conduct your own experiments on you with your Dr. To see what effects they may have and interactions with meds you are taking:

E.g. St. 's wart may increase skin reactions to ACEs

Echinacea purpura deactivates CP3A4 and can effect levels of nifedipine etc.

Buyer and user beware.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Medical College of Wisconsin

Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. That is a good data center. I was not referring to

concentrates or commericial preparations--just food--but those are all

over the place now, and have many dangers.

Not only does one not know how or what goes into the commercially

prepared " heath supplements, " but the interactions can be legion.

Amongst themselves or with petroleum-derived pharmaceuticals of the

West. The psychological danger for pts disillusioned with

conventional Western pharmo-approaches (which are in fact mechanical

and weak on function), seem to be an indiscriminate use of

" alternatives. " People think if the ingredients are " natural, " they

are more safe.

Not so.

This includes Chinese herbalism, which does not mix with Western diets

and other predispositions readily, well-regulated and researched as

that discipline is in Bejing.

There are several largescale projects accumulating data on so-called

" alternative approaches, " many already quite commonplace in other

societies' medicines, although the mainstream U.S. institutions are

still not up to speed. Britain is way ahead of us in testing and

regulation. Other Euro-Union countires even more so. They (U.S.

medical institutions) are, however, starting to approach speed now as

the major pharmo co's are conducting their own research and preparing a

number of just what individual entrepreneurs like Perricone, etc. now

call " nutriceuticals. " Some are already in use within the regulated

environment. Many pharmaceuticals are only synthesized verions of

so-called " narural remeidies " in the first place, but pared down to

" active ingredients. "

Personally, I stick to the actual foods, which if used in pure enough

forms and the ones which contain the strongest antioxidant and other

well-established health-promoting components (like Alaskan wild salmon,

wild sardines, wild blueberries, wild parsley, cleanly prodcuced wild

grain bakery goods, etc) provide well-documented support for any health

regimen, with or without meds. Not dosing like a drug, but just

supplementing a good DASH and mediterranean-informed diet with small

amounts of these foods regularly. It makes an astonisihing difference.

The health food store preparations are not for anyone on several meds,

with PA or other metabolic HTN unless a well-informed

endo/nephrology/metabolic experienced doctor has already got numbers on

these things and long participation in botanical and other practicums

(mostly from other countries now, but it won't be so for much longer).

Dave

On Sunday, September 19, 2004, at 09:56 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

> Suggest you look at NaturalDatabase.com before you take any

> nutriceuticals. 

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> Recall that none of the preparations are regulated by anyone and you

> never know what you are getting.  Conduct your own experiments on you

> with your Dr. To see what effects they may have and interactions with

> meds you are taking:

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> E.g.  St. 's wart may increase skin reactions to ACEs

> Echinacea purpura deactivates CP3A4 and can effect levels of

> nifedipine etc.

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> Buyer and user beware.

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> May your pressure be low!

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> Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chemistry and Mathematics), MS (Biochemistry), MD

> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Medical College of Wisconsin

> Board certified in Hypertension, Internal Medicine and Geriatrics

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[Guest guest]

The institutions that forbid regualtion of supplements was our Congress-because

one of the major Senators (From Colo as I recall) owns a major supplement

business and sponsored a bill that was made into law that excluded supplements

from FDA regulation. So big business must be included in the " institutions " .

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May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

Professor of Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

[Guest guest]

Since 1979 in the United States big business has expanded its influence

steadily until today, when it can be argued that it is the

institutions. The size of that " natural " business as it is already in

place seems to give little incentive for regulation, and the globalism

and free trade cults now spanning both sides of our supposedly partisan

" aisles " don't help.

But big pharmaceutical and petroleum/telecom interests are moving in

that direction anyway. I don't think it will be much longer.

Dave

On Monday, September 20, 2004, at 08:19 AM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

> The institutions that forbid regualtion of supplements was our

> Congress-because one of the major Senators (From Colo as I recall)

> owns a major supplement business and sponsored a bill that was made

> into law that excluded supplements from FDA regulation. So big

> business must be included in the " institutions " .

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> May your pressure be low!

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> CE Grim MD

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

> Professor of Epidemiology

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> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

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