Re: can you believe....

January 19, 2007

In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:36:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mome23kjnc@... writes:

This was specifically what I was responding to. It implied that only those

of us not paying close enough attention were the ones being tested

This was not my intention. If your feelings were hurt I am sorry.

Loree

January 19, 2007

Thanks ,

That is why I was posting some of my info and

experiences that others have had to hopefully let

those who don't know or may not know what has happened

or can happen.

I have no problem with testing - just I want it to be

fair and give my son the best and most accurate chance

to showcase his knowledge.

B

--- <Michdock@...> wrote:

> Maverick had his first IQ testing done at age 3.

> That was before I knew better. Since that time,

> whenever it was time for testing, I wouldn't allow

> any numerical testing done, until last year. As a

> freshman in HS they needed it to get more services

> for him. They did the testing but we did not allow

> anyone to know the numbers. and I don't even

> know. I don't consider the tests fair or accurate.

> I also don't want teachers teaching him based on a

> number.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list.

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January 19, 2007

Years ago, after speaking at length with a school psychologist about testing, I

was very upset about testing in general. It was from this list that I learned

that the triennial testing is an option, not a concrete thing that has to occur.

has only been tested once since, and that was when we moved to a new

state. (At every IEP, it is agreed that if she is progressing, attaining goals,

testing is not needed. This is our individual decision for our child.) At that

time, I refused IQ testing, allowed other testing, because in doing research,

found we were moving into a district that tended to group special ed student

according to IQ score, not ability. And I have heard many times since we have

lived here that " is the first Downs student we have had to succeed in a

generic class. All the other Downs students are in trainable classes " . That is

a quote, not my words, and yes, it is archaic. We now have a new Director of

Special Services that is working diligently at changing classifications, and old

attitudes. She has her work cut out for her, however I am totally behind her.

And when I have heard the " professionals " make the remark about the " Downs

students " , I have politely replied " It is amazing what all students can do when

their teachers don't place preconceived limits on their abilities " . Of course,

the " professionals " don't like that, but then, I don't care.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Re: can you believe....

In a message dated 1/19/2007 10:02:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mome23kjnc@... writes:

I take offense to the suggest that I â€œwasnâ€™t aware of my rightsâ€ or

whatever. It was imperative at that time that she be tested

I hope it was not I who offended you because that is absolutely not what was

my intent. There are alot of parents who allow the schoools to IQ their

children for a variety of reasons all of them good I am sure. But there are

also many parents who do not know they have an option to not test and I have

seen the IQ test used against children on both ends of the scales. This list

serve is to support each other and to also inform. I have learned a tremendous

amount from those who have gone before me. I hope that I too can share some

of the experiences I have had, and have had access to, in order to help

other new parents make informed decisions. There are many school districts in

this country and they all work differently. the more information we gather

as parents the better parents and advocates we we will be.

Loree

January 19, 2007

Its ok. I hated that we had to test then, but we did, and there were

very strong reasons to do so. You have no idea how many people have

looked at me like an idiot, assuming I allowed something that I

shouldn't have because I didn't know better. The alternative was not

good, and so we tested. Sorry if I sounded crabby.

Re: can you believe....

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2007 7:26:22 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> behnkesw (DOT) <mailto:behnkesw%40> com

> writes:

>

> I may be wrong but I thought they could not IQ test

> a

> child under a certain age? I know for " typical "

> kids,

> they have to be 9.

>

> You are not wrong but a lot of parents don't know

> this, and the schools

> slip

> it in during testing. If I had not said I did not

> want it done they

> would

> have done it at three hen he transitioned into the

> district.

>

> Loree

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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January 19, 2007

Its ok. I hated that we had to test then, but we did, and there were

very strong reasons to do so. You have no idea how many people have

looked at me like an idiot, assuming I allowed something that I

shouldn't have because I didn't know better. The alternative was not

good, and so we tested. Sorry if I sounded crabby.

Re: can you believe....

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2007 7:26:22 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> behnkesw (DOT) <mailto:behnkesw%40> com

> writes:

>

> I may be wrong but I thought they could not IQ test

> a

> child under a certain age? I know for " typical "

> kids,

> they have to be 9.

>

> You are not wrong but a lot of parents don't know

> this, and the schools

> slip

> it in during testing. If I had not said I did not

> want it done they

> would

> have done it at three hen he transitioned into the

> district.

>

> Loree

>

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January 19, 2007

" You are not wrong but a lot of parents don't know > this, and the

schools > slip > it in during testing. If I had not said I did not >

want it done they > would > have done it at three hen he transitioned

into the > district. > Loree "

This was specifically what I was responding to. It implied that only

those of us not paying close enough attention were the ones being

tested. As I said in my other email, I apologize if my response was

snappy. I think we should all remember that using absolutes on these

forums is bound to paint someone with the wrong brush, and hurt

feelings. Sometimes, you don't have a choice in testing, for whatever

reason.

Re: can you believe....

>

> In a message dated 1/18/2007 7:26:22 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> behnkesw (DOT) <mailto:behnkesw%40> com

> writes:

>

> I may be wrong but I thought they could not IQ test

> a

> child under a certain age? I know for " typical "

> kids,

> they have to be 9.

>

> You are not wrong but a lot of parents don't know

> this, and the schools

> slip

> it in during testing. If I had not said I did not

> want it done they

> would

> have done it at three hen he transitioned into the

> district.

>

> Loree

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list.

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January 19, 2007

Sharon,

Wonderful sentence.

(At every IEP, it is agreed

that if she is progressing, attaining goals, testing

is not needed. This

is our individual decision for our child.)

I may use it in the future if you don't mind. I have

heard your same story quite a few times.

B

--- Sharon <huie@...> wrote:

> Years ago, after speaking at length with a school

> psychologist about testing, I was very upset about

> testing in general. It was from this list that I

> learned that the triennial testing is an option, not

> a concrete thing that has to occur. has only

> been tested once since, and that was when we moved

> to a new state. (At every IEP, it is agreed that if

> she is progressing, attaining goals, testing is not

> needed. This is our individual decision for our

> child.) At that time, I refused IQ testing, allowed

> other testing, because in doing research, found we

> were moving into a district that tended to group

> special ed student according to IQ score, not

> ability. And I have heard many times since we have

> lived here that " is the first Downs student we

> have had to succeed in a generic class. All the

> other Downs students are in trainable classes " .

> That is a quote, not my words, and yes, it is

> archaic. We now have a new Director of Special

> Services that is working diligently at changing

> classifications, and old attitudes. She has her

> work cut out for her, however I am totally behind

> her. And when I have heard the " professionals " make

> the remark about the " Downs students " , I have

> politely replied " It is amazing what all students

> can do when their teachers don't place preconceived

> limits on their abilities " . Of course, the

> " professionals " don't like that, but then, I don't

> care.

>

> Sharon H.

> Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

> South Carolina

>

> " Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is

> fighting some kind of battle. "

>

> Re: can you believe....

>

> In a message dated 1/19/2007 10:02:36 AM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> mome23kjnc@... writes:

>

> I take offense to the suggest that I â€œwasnâ€™t

> aware of my rightsâ€ or

> whatever. It was imperative at that time that she

> be tested

>

> I hope it was not I who offended you because that

> is absolutely not what was

> my intent. There are alot of parents who allow the

> schoools to IQ their

> children for a variety of reasons all of them good

> I am sure. But there are

> also many parents who do not know they have an

> option to not test and I have

> seen the IQ test used against children on both

> ends of the scales. This list

> serve is to support each other and to also inform.

> I have learned a tremendous

> amount from those who have gone before me. I hope

> that I too can share some

> of the experiences I have had, and have had access

> to, in order to help

> other new parents make informed decisions. There

> are many school districts in

> this country and they all work differently. the

> more information we gather

> as parents the better parents and advocates we we

> will be.

>

> Loree

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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January 19, 2007

When it comes to SSI you want them to fail the test. Make them real tired

before testing.

Jean

If they pass they lose services and money.

January 19, 2007

When it comes to SSI you want them to fail the test. Make them real tired

before testing.

Jean

If they pass they lose services and money.

January 19, 2007

I remember watching them test Noah one time. They were having him point to

things on a page like. " shoe " " hat " etc. When they got to " gift " he just

sat there so I said " present " and he pointed to the right one. they said it

didn't count. That's when I told them their test was stupid and didn't mean

a thing to me. I haven't let him be tested like that since. I do my best

to " opt him out " of all standardized testing. Here in Texas, only 10% of

the school can be exempted from the TAKS test. Noah doesn't qualify..they

say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let him take it and drag

their averages down! :-)

Karla in Texas- Hey ! It's OK to " leave my child behind "

Re: can you believe....

> Thanks ,

>

> That is why I was posting some of my info and

> experiences that others have had to hopefully let

> those who don't know or may not know what has happened

> or can happen.

>

> I have no problem with testing - just I want it to be

> fair and give my son the best and most accurate chance

> to showcase his knowledge.

>

> B

January 19, 2007

.. Noah doesn't qualify..they

Say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let him take it and drag

Their averages down! :-)

LOL - absolutely love it, I for one get so tired of the 'numbers' game

that schools play.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

where they are experiencing good rainfall in her neck of the woods today -

actually have puddles and muddy grounds - (we are in a major drought at

present)

January 19, 2007

.. Noah doesn't qualify..they

Say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let him take it and drag

Their averages down! :-)

LOL - absolutely love it, I for one get so tired of the 'numbers' game

that schools play.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

where they are experiencing good rainfall in her neck of the woods today -

actually have puddles and muddy grounds - (we are in a major drought at

present)

January 19, 2007

I remember watching them test Noah one time. They were having him point

to

things on a page like. " shoe " " hat " etc. When they got to " gift " he just

sat there so I said " present " and he pointed to the right one. they said

it

didn't count. That's when I told them their test was stupid and didn't

mean

a thing to me.

I noticed that when they tested 's hearing at one year ( 14

months)

They kept trying to get a response to " peek a boo " .. and I had to tell

them that they might as well be quoting her the ingredients to diet

coke.. you would get the same reaction. Cause we have not played " peek a

boo " we focused on Patta cake and we played.. " where is Sammy " or "

Where is Mommy " and went behind our hands or under a napkin or

blanket/towel.. but I don't think we have ever said " Peek a boo " . It

did not seem to matter to them.. but it got me thinking.. about what you

said above. Gee what happens in the future when they try to do some

other test and we just never covered something.

Course with the fluid behind the ear drums.. Good thing they did the

other test.

But that is one of the things I thought they had changed. Back eons ago

the psych world found out that IQ tests differed among races do to word

bias. It was not that one race was superior - it was they used different

meanings.. and there was cultural and societal differences. I thought

they were supposed to have fixed all those tests by now so that everyone

had a fair shot. ( Its true.. but I am being sarcastic .. I don't think

IQ tests are all that reliable in general. My sister is supposed to be a

genius ! and she has absolutely NO common sense what so ever .. but

that's a different horse ) ~Steph

Re: can you believe....

I haven't let him be tested like that since. I do my best

to " opt him out " of all standardized testing. Here in Texas, only 10% of

the school can be exempted from the TAKS test. Noah doesn't

qualify..they

say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let him take it and drag

their averages down! :-)

Karla in Texas- Hey ! It's OK to " leave my child behind "

Re: can you believe....

> Thanks ,

>

> That is why I was posting some of my info and

> experiences that others have had to hopefully let

> those who don't know or may not know what has happened

> or can happen.

>

> I have no problem with testing - just I want it to be

> fair and give my son the best and most accurate chance

> to showcase his knowledge.

>

> B

January 19, 2007

When Tim was exiting Kindergarten, he had an IQ test by the head of Special

Education for our district. Tim has mosaic Down syndrome, so he is not as

intelectually delayed as some with Down syndrome. But, he still had many

cognitive delays that impaired his abilities. After the test, the " tester " told

me that my son had " Outgrown his Down syndrome! " She said this because, in her

eyes, no one with Down syndrome (she never listened to the mosaic part) could

have a higher IQ. She REALLY believed that he outgrew his extra chromosomes! I,

of course, educated her in genetics and told her that outgrowing Down syndrome

was like outgrowing being male or female! This was many years ago, so I hope

that the HEAD of Special Education in ALL districts are a bit smarter than that!

I would like to make 2 points on IQ testing. First of all, my son has had 3 IQ

tests in his life. Between the 3, there was a 26 point difference. His last test

was when he was 18. So, it does depend on the tester, how the person taking the

test feels that day, AND, terminology used throughout the testing. For instance,

just as Karla said that Noah didn't understand " gift " but did understand

" present " it is very important that the tester is actually FROM the area that

the " testee " is from! When Tim took an IQ test in 6th grade the tester was from

northern US and we are from Texas. Texan's have their own language that most

other states do not use. The tester told Tim to point to the " Pop " and Tim just

stared at her like she was crazy! Finally, I told Tim to point to the " Coke " and

he said, " Why didn't she say that in the first place! " LOL No child

(differently abled or not) in Texas knows what Pop is! The tester, who had NO

children, wrote on her report that Tim had " trouble

expressing simple objects " because when she pointed to a fork he called it a

" Dingelhopper " LOL It was a good joke...she just didn't get it! Kristy

Mom to Arron 25, 21, Tim 20 MDS, Stevan 19 and Garrett 10

www.imdsa.com Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:28 pm (PST) I remember watching them

test Noah one time. They were having him point to

things on a page like. " shoe " " hat " etc. When they got to " gift " he just

sat there so I said " present " and he pointed to the right one. they said it

didn't count. That's when I told them their test was stupid and didn't mean

a thing to me. I haven't let him be tested like that since. I do my best

to " opt him out " of all standardized testing. Here in Texas, only 10% of

the school can be exempted from the TAKS test. Noah doesn't qualify..they

say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let him take it and drag

their averages down! :-)

Karla in Texas- Hey ! It's OK to " leave my child behind "

January 20, 2007

BJ had it done form Preschool - kindy- but has not had it done since.

His test was mainly non verbal and the lady came ion twice to do the

test so he could be used to her......

I looked at the test result and cried even tho I knew it would be low.

He ha snot been refused services since.

Tho in order to get his speech services via the school system we did

have to stop private speech therapy- but the speech was done in school

time. If I Wanted it to go further there is no reason why I could not

get it done out of school hours- we will look into that later this year

Aussie Leis- mum to 9 , Natasha 5 in just under a month!! and 3.

One of the most obvious facts about grownups to a child is that they have

forgotten what it is like to be a child.

Randall Jarrell (1914 - 1965)

CandJsMom1@... wrote:

>

> My son had an IQ test when he transitioned from early intervention

> (our birth

> - 3 program) to the school district. They do have specific varieties

> of IQ

> test to test young children and those that are non-verbal.

>

> Dawn

>

January 20, 2007

If you never expose your child to the word gift but

that is the world expected - how can you get a true

measure of what the child knows with such tight limits

- You can't.

B

--- RnScarlson <scarlson1@...> wrote:

> I remember watching them test Noah one time. They

> were having him point

> to

> things on a page like. " shoe " " hat " etc. When they

> got to " gift " he just

>

> sat there so I said " present " and he pointed to the

> right one. they said

> it

> didn't count. That's when I told them their test was

> stupid and didn't

> mean

> a thing to me.

>

> I noticed that when they tested 's hearing

> at one year ( 14

> months)

>

> They kept trying to get a response to " peek a boo "

> .. and I had to tell

> them that they might as well be quoting her the

> ingredients to diet

> coke.. you would get the same reaction. Cause we

> have not played " peek a

> boo " we focused on Patta cake and we played.. "

> where is Sammy " or "

> Where is Mommy " and went behind our hands or under

> a napkin or

> blanket/towel.. but I don't think we have ever said

> " Peek a boo " . It

> did not seem to matter to them.. but it got me

> thinking.. about what you

> said above. Gee what happens in the future when they

> try to do some

> other test and we just never covered something.

>

> Course with the fluid behind the ear drums.. Good

> thing they did the

> other test.

>

> But that is one of the things I thought they had

> changed. Back eons ago

> the psych world found out that IQ tests differed

> among races do to word

> bias. It was not that one race was superior - it was

> they used different

> meanings.. and there was cultural and societal

> differences. I thought

> they were supposed to have fixed all those tests by

> now so that everyone

> had a fair shot. ( Its true.. but I am being

> sarcastic .. I don't think

> IQ tests are all that reliable in general. My sister

> is supposed to be a

> genius ! and she has absolutely NO common sense

> what so ever .. but

> that's a different horse ) ~Steph

>

> Re: can you believe....

>

> I haven't let him be tested like that since. I do my

> best

> to " opt him out " of all standardized testing. Here

> in Texas, only 10% of

>

> the school can be exempted from the TAKS test. Noah

> doesn't

> qualify..they

> say he's too " advanced " Yeah, right. So I just let

> him take it and drag

> their averages down! :-)

>

> Karla in Texas- Hey ! It's OK to " leave my

> child behind "

>

> Re: can you believe....

>

> > Thanks ,

> >

> > That is why I was posting some of my info and

> > experiences that others have had to hopefully let

> > those who don't know or may not know what has

> happened

> > or can happen.

> >

> > I have no problem with testing - just I want it to

> be

> > fair and give my son the best and most accurate

> chance

> > to showcase his knowledge.

> >

> > B

>

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>

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>

January 20, 2007

In a message dated 1/20/2007 7:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

OK so for us non US residents is a cheese doodle a cheese crisp/chip

thingy?

a chesse doodle is a light, airy, cheesy bit of puff that melts in your

mouth.. Delicious and horrible for you!!

Loree

January 20, 2007

We call them Cheese curls here in the north

January 20, 2007

My son lost 6 months in developmental scoring because he didn't know

Stomach. He only knew tummy.

Oh well.

Jeannette

January 20, 2007

In many cases, it is also the age of the child tested, and how long they have

been in school, and what the current vocabulary level is. When 's

situation with the word " gift " occured, she was around 6 years old. She was

doing well with reading, we were all very pleased, but as with any child at that

age, DS or nda, her vocabulary was limited. Now, her vocabulary has really

expanded, and she is more comfortable with multiple words with the same

meanings. Also, one thing the school psychologist pointed out, different areas

of the country have their own speech patterns, and words used. Depending on

where the test was written, and the language/words used in that area, and by the

test writers, this can also affect the outcomes. She also said that the

research that goes into the test development is extensive, however many times if

the " majority of people surveyed used the word gift " , and that is the reason the

word " gift " was used, the majority could be 51% that used gift, and 49% that

used present. Many people I have spoken to in the schools don't believe the

tests are the best way to assess, however then qualify with, the tests are " the

best we have right now " .

It really can be a no-win situation. I am very comfortable with the decision we

have made for , and feel that taking that extra stress of testing and then

the worst part-getting the results, not having that anymore, and then not having

that extra burden of another " label " for , has worked best for us.

Heck, I didn't know what a cheese doodle was until I was 40. In Alabama, we

didn't have cheese doodles, we had cheese puffs. It took meeting a woman from

Long Island, who asked me if my kids liked cheese doodles-I then said what is a

cheese doodle. She laughed, showed me that bag and I said of course - they love

cheese puffs. So at 40+, I am still expanding my vocabulary!

Sharon H.

Mom to , (15, DS) and , (11)

South Carolina

" Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle. "

Re: can you believe....

>

> > Thanks ,

> >

> > That is why I was posting some of my info and

> > experiences that others have had to hopefully let

> > those who don't know or may not know what has

> happened

> > or can happen.

> >

> > I have no problem with testing - just I want it to

> be

> > fair and give my son the best and most accurate

> chance

> > to showcase his knowledge.

> >

> > B

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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January 20, 2007

OK so for us non US residents is a cheese doodle a cheese crisp/chip

thingy??? I think we call em Twisties here.

Aussie Leis- mum to 3 rugrats with 1 week of school holidays left!!

YYEEAHHH!!!!!!!!

>

> Heck, I didn't know what a cheese doodle was until I was 40. In

> Alabama, we didn't have cheese doodles, we had cheese puffs. It took

> meeting a woman from Long Island, who asked me if my kids liked cheese

> doodles-I then said what is a cheese doodle. She laughed, showed me

> that bag and I said of course - they love cheese puffs. So at 40+, I

> am still expanding my vocabulary!

>

January 20, 2007

Ah, IQ tests. The director of 's school told us not to allow

them. She said she had never seen one used to actually help a child. I think

that may not be entirely true tho, my daughter(nds) was in grade school and

not getting very good grades. In those days they didn't tell us the scores. I

went in and talked to the principal and he checked her records and found she

had one of the highest IQ's in the class so he said they would have to push

her more. They did and things r eally picked up.

I know that is basically smarter than I am but I test much

higher on the IQ tests. All it proves is that I am better at taking IQ tests

than he is. Whoop-de-do. Jessie

January 20, 2007

Okay, don't think our equivilent is a twistie maybe a cheezel but don't

think so

Could be something else I have had, but have no idea what they are commonly

called - they were a generic brand.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder

Still enjoying the wet stuff which is currently falling from sky!

-- Re: can you believe....

OK so for us non US residents is a cheese doodle a cheese crisp/chip

thingy??? I think we call em Twisties here.

Aussie Leis- mum to 3 rugrats with 1 week of school holidays left!!

YYEEAHHH!!!!!!!!

>

> Heck, I didn't know what a cheese doodle was until I was 40. In

> Alabama, we didn't have cheese doodles, we had cheese puffs. It took

> meeting a woman from Long Island, who asked me if my kids liked cheese

> doodles-I then said what is a cheese doodle. She laughed, showed me

> that bag and I said of course - they love cheese puffs. So at 40+, I

> am still expanding my vocabulary!

>

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January 20, 2007

I know that is basically smarter than I am but I test much

higher on the IQ tests. All it proves is that I am better at taking IQ

tests

than he is. Whoop-de-do. Jessie

I am forever telling people that Trent is a very intelligent person and

certainly far from stupid, just because he can't argue and tell us how wrong

we are and often because of this will just sit back and go with the flow.

One particular incident which comes to mind, was a few years back on our

first OS holiday to London, I got off the bus at Buckingham Palace instead

of waiting for it to return decided to walk back to the station. Trent

tried telling me to take a particular road, which to me seemed the wrong one

and naturally as I am the one without problems must know best!!! Guess who

got us lost and was going in the complete wrong direction - if I had of

taken his advice would have found the station within about 500 meters. That

trip was a great eye opener and learning experience for me, I learnt a great

deal about my son and have a greater respect for him and his capabilities.

As to IQ tests, have never had one and to the best of my knoweldge neither

has Trent or his siblings. He did have a pysch evaluation when he was about

4, the outcome - the tester was not sure if he couldn't or wouldn't do the

set tasks. I think she learnt a lot from him as well that day.

Keep smiling

Jan, mother of Trent 22yo w/DS from the LandDownUnder -

in the middle of making up a chat book for the start of his new year of

program - just hope the staff like it and take the time to circle the 5

questions daily!!!

January 21, 2007

Well yall, I think God (or whoever is your higher power) is going to have a big

surprise when we get to heaven. I am not sure about this, but I have a feeling

that this extra chromosome is actually an improvement on the old models (i.e.

us)

I truly believe our children hold a knowledge so dear that no amount of IQ

testing can measure it. They are so close to the true meaning of life it is

scarey. It is not about high powered jobs, cell phones, mercedes benz etc...

It all comes down to two things: Forgiveness and Love.

Our children understand that a thousand times more than we do, but we are

learning, we just gotta keep being good students!

Peace,

Dinkins-Borkowski; Nolan(4) nocf, Phoebe(2) Ds & Cf

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