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One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you

observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and

insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another

child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's

education.

Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but

almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents

not

interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their

learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your

observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a

statement

that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of

observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or

learning you

will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids

this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn.

Good luck!

Cari

(Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from

every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to

place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was

told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a

policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req

uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other

parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various

options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then

request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week

(not give an exact day).)

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The privacy issue is covered somewhat under FERPA (see other letter) -

pertaining to " educational records " . It got invoked in our district a few years

ago such that parents can't help teachers with grading anymore. However, there

is nothing about a parent generally observing a class that is necessarily a

" privacy " issue.

HOWEVER --

Since your child is in Spec Ed, I'ld make a pitch that the disruptive

parent's activities in the classroom are interfering with your daughter's

access to

a Free and Appropriate Public Education, since the teacher can't deliver

instruction when distracted by the excessive demands of the other parent.

As for Principal saying she is " working on it, and has already alerted

someone at district level " - our district has procedures for severely limiting a

parent's access to a school when parent is interfering with instruction or

otherwise considered a problem. (I know an activist parent who had a restraining

order issued against her...). No doubt your district has a policy/procedure

for roping in out-of-control parents.

From the way you describe mom, I suspect she has some kind of issues

herself. I' ve know a couple of parents who got so fixated on their kids issues

as

to have an unhealthy compulsion. They didn't want help or insight on how to

work effectively for change, they just wanted the personal attention that came

with making a ruckus over the injustice they perceived was being done to their

kids.

Good luck!

- Becky

In a message dated 9/9/2006 9:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leslie-kerrigan@... writes:

Does IDEA give any privacy protections anywhere? What can I do/say to

keep her out of there (at least when is there....... they'll

have to fight there own battles otherwise, LOL)?

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Hi-

What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you,

Dawn

CMancari@... wrote:

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One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you

observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and

insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another

child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's

education.

Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but

almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents

not

interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their

learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your

observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a

statement

that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of

observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or

learning you

will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids

this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn.

Good luck!

Cari

(Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from

every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to

place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was

told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a

policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req

uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other

parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various

options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then

request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week

(not give an exact day).)

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Sorry :-)

PITA - Pain In The A**

RSP - Resource specialist (Resource teacher)

D wrote:

> Hi-

> What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you,

> Dawn

>

> CMancari@... <mailto:CMancari%40AOL.COM> wrote:

> :

>

> One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day

> you

> observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and

> insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of

> another

> child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your

> child's

> education.

>

> Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but

> almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the

> parents not

> interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their

> learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above!

> Your

> observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with

> a statement

> that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of

> observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide

> or learning you

> will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that

> forbids

> this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there

> to learn.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Cari

>

> (Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from

> every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was

> pushing to

> place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE

> and was

> told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a

> policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes,

> they req

> uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from

> other

> parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the

> various

> options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit

> and then

> request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during

> the week

> (not give an exact day).)

>

>

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oh..a PITA...I have met a few of those...haha I should have known.

Thanks

Dawn

Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote:

Sorry :-)

PITA - Pain In The A**

RSP - Resource specialist (Resource teacher)

D wrote:

Hi-

What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you,

Dawn

CMancari@... wrote:

:

One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you

observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and

insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another

child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's

education.

Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but

almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents

not

interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their

learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your

observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a

statement

that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of

observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or

learning you

will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids

this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn.

Good luck!

Cari

(Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from

every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to

place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was

told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a

policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req

uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other

parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various

options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then

request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week

(not give an exact day).)

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Hi !

If you feel comfortable, maybe you could call this mom or send her a

note and try to talk to her " parent to parent. " I know that if I'm told

something like, " Your child will be fine here, " by a parent, I believe

them and I'm comforted, but if a school administrator tells me the same

thing, I have trouble believing them. Some of the things you could

stress, if you've found them to be true, are:

Your daughter was there last year and you found the teachers,

assistants, and staff to do an excellent job, they're very caring,

willing to listen when you did have a concern, treated with

respect, etc.

learned a great deal from them, and she's much more

comfortable when you're not in the room; that's why you're hiding behind

the bookshelves when you do observe (maybe she'll get the hint that she

should do the same thing if she does continue going in).

loves school and is happy there, and that's why you feel so

comfortable with the teaching team.

Her child deserves the right to try on his own, and that he'll grow and

blossom and become so much more independent if he can do it on his own.

You know as a mom how difficult it is, but that surprises you

every day with how much she has learned, how much she knows, and how

proud you are of her, and you don't think she'd as independent if you

spent a lot of time in the classroom.

You believe that if she gives them a chance, that the teaching team will

make sure that her child learns and is happy, and if that doesn't

happen, they'll be more than happy to schedule a meeting with the mom so

they can all share ideas to make sure her child is successful.

, if you try that first, and the PITA mom backs off, you'll

certainly get extra brownie points from the teachers and school

administrators!

Terri

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I've heard of schools getting restraining and no tresspass orders to keep

parents out of the classroom. If this mom is disrupting the class, then she

needs to go.

As far as confidentiality, I'm sure parents learn more about the other kids

just by observing them in the classroom. I know there have been parents who

" helped " in 's classroom on a regular basis- but I also heard the

teachers comment about how they appreciated it. If there were a hover

mother which made 's teacher feel uncomfortable, I'd the the first

one to complain!

And about the confidentiality.....just want to point out that someone shared

with you confidential information about the PITA - when people do that, no

matter how unintentional, they probably will let things slip about other

kids and families, too. Just FYI..........

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I don'thave any problem if she feels like she needs to observe for any

of the reasons mentioned in this thread, or any other for that matter.

She was told she could observe from an observation chair away from the

front table where she was " being involved " , and she refused to move

back. The observation area (as I have seen other professionsal

observing) is not so far away from the table that you can't see/hear

what is going on with the teacher......... for that matter, I could

hear/see everything from my observation spot at the back of the room,

behind the bookcase :-). That suggests to me it's NOT a mom who needs a

bit of time let make sure things are OK.

We'll see what the principal has to say this morning.

wrote:

> I'd just sit back and give the school a chance to do their thing (or not)

> and give the mom a chance to feel comfortable with leaving her son (or

> not.)

> Give it a little more time, document what you need and if nothing changes,

> get tough. Chances are the school is working on doing this politically

> correct and can't just jump in and FORBID her to be there, and need more

> time/documentation make their case. AND/OR the mom just needs a bit of

> time to trust the school and step back and let them handle her son.

> You do NOT know what has gone on behind the scenes between the school and

> this mom. I know that when Mav was in 1st grade and we were filing the due

> process, I did NOT feel comfortable leaving him unattended (by me) at

> school

> because I knew they were out to prove him bad and because they were

> physically inappropriate with him. I was there more than I was gone

> and woe

> be to he who stepped in my line of vision.

> I wonder if you tried to befriend this mom (sped mom to sped mom) if you

> might not find there are issues, or you might be able to be a role

> model and

> save every one some grief. You could end up being a good support to her.

> Just my opinion, but I always find that there is more under the

> surface than

> others see, and never trust the school district.

>

>

> TOMORROW is the DAY!!!!

>

> " Regardless of how good of a swim instructor you are, you can't teach a

> person to swim in the parking lot of a swimming pool. "

> Norman Kunc

>

>

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In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:20:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,

writes:

You do NOT know what has gone on behind the scenes between the school and

this mom. I know that when Mav was in 1st grade and we were filing the due

process, I did NOT feel comfortable leaving him unattended (by me) at school

because I knew they were out to prove him bad and because they were

physically inappropriate with him. I was there more than I was gone and woe

be to he who stepped in my line of vision.

I wonder if you tried to befriend this mom (sped mom to sped mom) if you

might not find there are issues, or you might be able to be a role model and

save every one some grief. You could end up being a good support to her.

Just my opinion, but I always find that there is more under the surface than

others see, and never trust the school district.

,

I tend to agree with you.

Personally, I would limit my communication with the school on this issue to

requesting that non-school personnel not assist your daughter in the resource

room since she has specific goals and objectives and they, appropriately, are

not privy to that information.

I would not share any information or take any action on information that has

reached you third party since the sharing of that info isn't appropriate in

the first place. Do I want school staff to share with other parents what I do

that they agree or disagree about?

I have several acquaintances/other parents who have spent lots of time in

their child's classroom observing and documenting. Some I believe did so

appropriately and some not so well. After some of the situations I have learned

about from parents on this list and others and some experiences I have lived

first hand I am very reluctant to step on another parent's attempts at doing

what they feel is right by their child.

I would request that my child be spared the drama. If that means an

acceptable change in my child's schedule I would agree to it. If another

compromise

could be reached I would go for it.

This teacher is a grown up and can stand up for herself, as can the

district.

Just my two bits,

Karyn

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