Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 : One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's education. Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents not interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a statement that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or learning you will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn. Good luck! Cari (Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week (not give an exact day).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 The privacy issue is covered somewhat under FERPA (see other letter) - pertaining to " educational records " . It got invoked in our district a few years ago such that parents can't help teachers with grading anymore. However, there is nothing about a parent generally observing a class that is necessarily a " privacy " issue. HOWEVER -- Since your child is in Spec Ed, I'ld make a pitch that the disruptive parent's activities in the classroom are interfering with your daughter's access to a Free and Appropriate Public Education, since the teacher can't deliver instruction when distracted by the excessive demands of the other parent. As for Principal saying she is " working on it, and has already alerted someone at district level " - our district has procedures for severely limiting a parent's access to a school when parent is interfering with instruction or otherwise considered a problem. (I know an activist parent who had a restraining order issued against her...). No doubt your district has a policy/procedure for roping in out-of-control parents. From the way you describe mom, I suspect she has some kind of issues herself. I' ve know a couple of parents who got so fixated on their kids issues as to have an unhealthy compulsion. They didn't want help or insight on how to work effectively for change, they just wanted the personal attention that came with making a ruckus over the injustice they perceived was being done to their kids. Good luck! - Becky In a message dated 9/9/2006 9:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, leslie-kerrigan@... writes: Does IDEA give any privacy protections anywhere? What can I do/say to keep her out of there (at least when is there....... they'll have to fight there own battles otherwise, LOL)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Hi- What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you, Dawn CMancari@... wrote: : One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's education. Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents not interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a statement that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or learning you will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn. Good luck! Cari (Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week (not give an exact day).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Sorry :-) PITA - Pain In The A** RSP - Resource specialist (Resource teacher) D wrote: > Hi- > What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you, > Dawn > > CMancari@... <mailto:CMancari%40AOL.COM> wrote: > : > > One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day > you > observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and > insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of > another > child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your > child's > education. > > Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but > almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the > parents not > interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their > learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! > Your > observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with > a statement > that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of > observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide > or learning you > will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that > forbids > this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there > to learn. > > Good luck! > > Cari > > (Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from > every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was > pushing to > place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE > and was > told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a > policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, > they req > uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from > other > parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the > various > options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit > and then > request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during > the week > (not give an exact day).) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 oh..a PITA...I have met a few of those...haha I should have known. Thanks Dawn Kerrigan <leslie-kerrigan@...> wrote: Sorry :-) PITA - Pain In The A** RSP - Resource specialist (Resource teacher) D wrote: Hi- What is a PITA mom? And what is an RSP teacher? Thank you, Dawn CMancari@... wrote: : One thing I'd include in your letter is your observations from the day you observed. State that you appreciate a parent who wants to be involved and insure their child's needs are being met; however, you as a parent of another child in the same room cannot condone a parent interfering with your child's education. Most school systems will allow parents to observe and/or volunteer, but almost all of the 'policies' I've seen or heard about insist that the parents not interfere with the staff, their teaching and/or the students and their learning. From what you have described she is doing all of the above! Your observations will point that out. You could also end your letter with a statement that basically says if this parent cannot abide by the 'rules' of observations and continues to interfere with your child's teacher/aide or learning you will be force to request a modification to your daughter's IEP that forbids this particular parent from being in the RSP when your child is there to learn. Good luck! Cari (Oh, I had a RSP teacher try to tell me I needed written permission from every child's parent to visit her classroom {the school system was pushing to place my son there} supposedly due to HIPPA. I contacted the state BOE and was told no that was not the state policy; however, each county could set a policy. I then checked with our county and that was not case. Yes, they req uested I make an appointment to view the classroom but permission from other parents was not required. My feeling is this spring I will call the various options of schools and make an appointment with the principal to visit and then request permission to observe the suggested placement sometime during the week (not give an exact day).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi ! If you feel comfortable, maybe you could call this mom or send her a note and try to talk to her " parent to parent. " I know that if I'm told something like, " Your child will be fine here, " by a parent, I believe them and I'm comforted, but if a school administrator tells me the same thing, I have trouble believing them. Some of the things you could stress, if you've found them to be true, are: Your daughter was there last year and you found the teachers, assistants, and staff to do an excellent job, they're very caring, willing to listen when you did have a concern, treated with respect, etc. learned a great deal from them, and she's much more comfortable when you're not in the room; that's why you're hiding behind the bookshelves when you do observe (maybe she'll get the hint that she should do the same thing if she does continue going in). loves school and is happy there, and that's why you feel so comfortable with the teaching team. Her child deserves the right to try on his own, and that he'll grow and blossom and become so much more independent if he can do it on his own. You know as a mom how difficult it is, but that surprises you every day with how much she has learned, how much she knows, and how proud you are of her, and you don't think she'd as independent if you spent a lot of time in the classroom. You believe that if she gives them a chance, that the teaching team will make sure that her child learns and is happy, and if that doesn't happen, they'll be more than happy to schedule a meeting with the mom so they can all share ideas to make sure her child is successful. , if you try that first, and the PITA mom backs off, you'll certainly get extra brownie points from the teachers and school administrators! Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 , I've heard of schools getting restraining and no tresspass orders to keep parents out of the classroom. If this mom is disrupting the class, then she needs to go. As far as confidentiality, I'm sure parents learn more about the other kids just by observing them in the classroom. I know there have been parents who " helped " in 's classroom on a regular basis- but I also heard the teachers comment about how they appreciated it. If there were a hover mother which made 's teacher feel uncomfortable, I'd the the first one to complain! And about the confidentiality.....just want to point out that someone shared with you confidential information about the PITA - when people do that, no matter how unintentional, they probably will let things slip about other kids and families, too. Just FYI.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I don'thave any problem if she feels like she needs to observe for any of the reasons mentioned in this thread, or any other for that matter. She was told she could observe from an observation chair away from the front table where she was " being involved " , and she refused to move back. The observation area (as I have seen other professionsal observing) is not so far away from the table that you can't see/hear what is going on with the teacher......... for that matter, I could hear/see everything from my observation spot at the back of the room, behind the bookcase :-). That suggests to me it's NOT a mom who needs a bit of time let make sure things are OK. We'll see what the principal has to say this morning. wrote: > I'd just sit back and give the school a chance to do their thing (or not) > and give the mom a chance to feel comfortable with leaving her son (or > not.) > Give it a little more time, document what you need and if nothing changes, > get tough. Chances are the school is working on doing this politically > correct and can't just jump in and FORBID her to be there, and need more > time/documentation make their case. AND/OR the mom just needs a bit of > time to trust the school and step back and let them handle her son. > You do NOT know what has gone on behind the scenes between the school and > this mom. I know that when Mav was in 1st grade and we were filing the due > process, I did NOT feel comfortable leaving him unattended (by me) at > school > because I knew they were out to prove him bad and because they were > physically inappropriate with him. I was there more than I was gone > and woe > be to he who stepped in my line of vision. > I wonder if you tried to befriend this mom (sped mom to sped mom) if you > might not find there are issues, or you might be able to be a role > model and > save every one some grief. You could end up being a good support to her. > Just my opinion, but I always find that there is more under the > surface than > others see, and never trust the school district. > > > TOMORROW is the DAY!!!! > > " Regardless of how good of a swim instructor you are, you can't teach a > person to swim in the parking lot of a swimming pool. " > Norman Kunc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:20:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, writes: You do NOT know what has gone on behind the scenes between the school and this mom. I know that when Mav was in 1st grade and we were filing the due process, I did NOT feel comfortable leaving him unattended (by me) at school because I knew they were out to prove him bad and because they were physically inappropriate with him. I was there more than I was gone and woe be to he who stepped in my line of vision. I wonder if you tried to befriend this mom (sped mom to sped mom) if you might not find there are issues, or you might be able to be a role model and save every one some grief. You could end up being a good support to her. Just my opinion, but I always find that there is more under the surface than others see, and never trust the school district. , I tend to agree with you. Personally, I would limit my communication with the school on this issue to requesting that non-school personnel not assist your daughter in the resource room since she has specific goals and objectives and they, appropriately, are not privy to that information. I would not share any information or take any action on information that has reached you third party since the sharing of that info isn't appropriate in the first place. Do I want school staff to share with other parents what I do that they agree or disagree about? I have several acquaintances/other parents who have spent lots of time in their child's classroom observing and documenting. Some I believe did so appropriately and some not so well. After some of the situations I have learned about from parents on this list and others and some experiences I have lived first hand I am very reluctant to step on another parent's attempts at doing what they feel is right by their child. I would request that my child be spared the drama. If that means an acceptable change in my child's schedule I would agree to it. If another compromise could be reached I would go for it. This teacher is a grown up and can stand up for herself, as can the district. Just my two bits, Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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