Re: Re: tony horton vs debbie siebers

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hi robin!

i happen to love tony, although i know that some people dislike him. i

actually think that he is funny, charming, sexy, and i love all of the

muscles. from a guy's point of view, my husband also likes tony's

workouts and he, too, laughs at tonys jokes. my dh also likes gilad and

billy blanks but i think that he does like tony the best.

all of tony's workouts are solid.

- i dont think that power90 is for you though.... unless you just acquire

half of the kit and get cardio 3/4 and sculpt 3/4 (leaving the 1/2 level of

cardio and sculpt alone as they will be too easy for you). even the 3/4

level will most likely be too basic, although it does include 'ab ripper

200' which is a good workout for traditional crunch variations (20 reps of

10 exercises).

- the power half hour set contains excellent workouts for intermediates and

i really enjoy each of them and loved the rotation that i did with them. i

can show you that rotation i did if you are interested and donna has one

too. during that rotation i doubled up on the workouts to get an hour

done each day but if you are time crunched then these are perfect half hour

workouts. these are also good for travelling as you can use a resistance

band with the kit instead of dumbells. most of the workouts are not

weighted anyway. i just wish that tony had some good music in his

workouts... but the 'music off' option is there so that i can play my own

tunes. also tony doesnt state every single form point in these workouts (i

guess that is what power 90 is for) so one does need to have and use their

own exercise smarts when doing them.

- i dont have p90x but from the sounds of it, that kit would be right up

your alley and it is the one that i would choose for you. that kit

contains a variety of advanced workouts and alot of literature. ive heard

that p90x will allow you to 'turn off tony' so that you hear only his cues

and not his jokes over and over again. so this might be a good option to

have if you plan on concentrating on the set that you get and doing it

repetitively. i cant comment on the rotation schedules in p90x, maybe

someone else can talk about that. i know that quite a few are included in

the documentation though.

- i hear that tony is coming out with a new set of workouts in the fall (or

near the end of the year). he is calling these workouts 'p90 masters'

which makes me think they are for older folks (the 'masters' part) but

apparently tony has said that their difficulty level will fall between p90

and p90x. i thought that was what power half hour was for but ::shrug:: we

will have to wait and see what tony does.

debbie seibers is also a great trainer and her slim series workouts are

also solid workouts for advanced exercisers. debbie doesnt goof around

and tell jokes like tony does... she is much more to the point and gets

right down to it.... but she does make a couple of comic references to her

background exercisers here and there (one is her sister).

- i would not recommend the slim in 6 kit because only one workout ('burn

it up') is advanced... the other workouts in the kit are at beginner and

intermediate levels. i also DO NOT like the rotation schedule that was

developed for the slim in 6 kit -- it is ridiculously repetitive and i

would never stick to it even though i realize that debbie is trying to

create a progression in fitness level with the workouts. so i created my

own rotation and progression with them instead and im quite happy with it.

- the slim series kit also contains its own rotation schedule which is fine

except that doing the high rep endurance workouts every single day as per

the schedule walks a very fine line between over training and not. in my

case, i was definitely over training when i was following the schedule

included with the kit so again i just made up my own rotation and put

cardio workouts between the slim series workouts so that i get enough

recovery time. there are other rotations suggested in the kit too so if

one doesnt suit, another with more rest time might. i would always

include extra cardio with the slim series workouts though. there is a

small cardio component but they are meant to be muscle training workouts.

ok, so obviously i recommend both slim series and p90x to you robin. as to

which one to get first...hmmm... i think that i would buy p90x if i were

you. it is just a more well-rounded complete program and it is obvious

that alot of thought went into the workouts and the kit.

but keep in mind what each kit's emphasis is -- while tony does work the

lower body, his workouts seem to concentrate on upper body alot. debbie is

the opposite... she does work the upper body but seems to concentrate alot

on lower body. p90x is not based on a high rep/low weight principle,

instead you decide how many reps and what weight you will use during the

time period given by tony so you can go as heavy or as light as you

want. unlike slim series, there are various people demonstrating various

approaches. p90x is a longer program to follow (3 months?) than slim

series though (6 weeks).

:*carolyn.

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