Re: OT Fibromyalgia --Have a friend who has this so thought I would share.

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Joyce I already do this and truthfully did not know I was " covered " so to speak in place of the fish oil.  I had bought CLO b/c I thought it would be beneficial but someone told me (not on list) that salmon oil would be a better choice.  I might research it and do a combo.  My hubby does not drink green smoothies so my interest perked when I heard about the muffins.  

PamOn Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 1:20 PM, hatchjoyce <Joyce_Handy@...> wrote:

 

Pam, I also use flax seed (in addition to CLO). Organic flax seed is very inexpensive and I throw a few TBSPs in my smoothie every morning. You can experiment with it that way very easily. If your smoothie is cold it won't thicken up too much. I'm sure mentioned this, but buy the whole seed and grind it yourself; pre-ground is probably already rancid when you buy it. I just throw the whole seeds in my smoothie and they get ground up with everything else. , why do you buy golden versus brown flax seeds?

Joyce

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It is very difficult to say what will help a person with fibro. I know this from

personal experience. It is very complicated and not caused by one thing.

Inflammation does make it worse but fibro is not usually associated with

inflammation. There are dozens of causes. The most common cause of fibro is

toxicity. Other causes include vitamin or mineral deficiencies - calcium,

vitamin D and magnesium are the most common for these. Autoimmune disorders also

cause fibro as well as a damaged autonomic nervous system (ANS). This is called

dysautonomia, which is the cause of mine. If someone says their symptoms started

suddenly after a car accident, injury or surgery, this is the most likely cause.

I was born with dysautonomia but it has gotten worse through the years.

If it is the cause, then all of the other things must be addressed in order to

keep it calmed down. If a person has dysautonomia, there is no cure. But there

are a lot of triggers they will have to learn and avoid. Keeping inflammation at

bay is very important to keep symptoms down.

It is such a huge subject since every body system is affected by the ANS. I have

written a lot about it at my website at www.debdrake.com.

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I just did the calculation on that one.  My dosage would be 165 caps

per day.

Tony

On 3/6/2011 10:49 AM, ~~ wrote:

 

brenda can you give me your opinion on this product  

http://www.newchapter.com/fish-oil

i just started taking it thinking i would benefit.

 thanks.

pam

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:21 AM,

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Those

who take fish oil should be aware that

most fish oil comes from factory

farmed fish, which are fed a steady

diet of antibiotics, growth hormones,

steroids, etc., and the fish are fed a

totally unnatural diet high in grains,

corn, soy and other things fish in the

wild would have no access too

(unnatural diet keeps the fish

unhealthy, thus the extra medications

in the feed)  Dyes are often added to

the farmed fish diet as well.  ALL of

that ends up in the fish and resulting

fish oil.  Many companies claim to use

"wild CAUGHT" fish-a claim often made

when fish are CAUGHT while they are

spawn, but RAISED in fish farms.  Fish

oil is highly concentrated so there

may be way more of this stuff present

than you realize.  Personally, I think

one is better off getting their omegas

from ground flax seed, which is easily

ground in the VM and can be added to

soooooooooo many things.  Great baked

into muffins and quick breads, perfect

as a thickener and egg substitute, and

no need for some artificial flavor to

make it palatable! 

 

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I so wish that I could get my omega 3s from flax but people with scandinavian descent can't get all of the omega 3s they need from plant sources alone. I don't feel the effects when I take flax or flax oil that I feel when I take fish oils. :-(

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Berry wrote:

Those who take fish oil should be aware that most fish oil comes from factory farmed fish, which are fed a steady diet of antibiotics, growth hormones, steroids, etc., and the fish are fed a totally unnatural diet high in grains, corn, soy and other things fish in the wild would have no access too (unnatural diet keeps the fish unhealthy, thus the extra medications in the feed) Dyes are often added to the farmed fish diet as well. ALL of that ends up in the fish and resulting fish oil. Many companies claim to use "wild CAUGHT" fish-a claim often made when fish are CAUGHT while they are spawn, but RAISED in fish farms. Fish oil is highly concentrated so there may be way more of this stuff present than you realize. Personally, I think one is better off getting their omegas from ground flax seed, which is easily ground in the VM and

can be added to soooooooooo many things. Great baked into muffins and quick breads, perfect as a thickener and egg substitute, and no need for some artificial flavor to make it palatable!

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I take powdered zeolite (Zeo Pure) every time I take the fish oil to help absorb the mercury and other heavy metals http://www.zeohealth.com/

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 11:49 AM, ~~ wrote:

ty brenda for the informative response. my husband also takes this for his high cholesterol and is very stubborn about dietary changes....another whole story..would the ground flax seed suffice for this issue. the doctor recommended this (fish oil) and he has been taking it for some time. i realize you are not a doctor and this is just your opinion but i value that opinion a great deal! ty. pam

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Berry <berrywell@...> wrote:

Sure, Pam, I will give you MY opinion, but remember-it is just that, my opinion. I have no basis to be an expert here, but this is my impression. In reading through their website, there is A LOT of deceptive and inaccurate information. If they will twist the truth on one thing, they will on another. First, they claim their fish comes from the "pristine waters" of Alaska. There is no such thing as pristine water anywhere on our planet. It is all contaminated, largely by the companies who over harvest it in an effort to mass produce these products in the first place. If fishing boats are able to get there to harvest it, trust that the water is far from pristine. Second, they make a lot of claims about it being wild "caught", not wild raised. This is a common deceptive marketing practice among companies.

They catch the fish as spawn, which is enough to define it as wild "caught", but they raise the spawn in intensively farmed tanks. I am NOT saying THIS company does this, just that their choice of wording leads me to believe that they do. They are also largely inaccurate and misleading in their FAQ page about addressing allergens, which again, leads me to believe that their bottom line, and NOT the health and welfare of the consumer is their only priority. Again, this is just my opinion. Also, even if the fish they use IS wild caught, most wild caught fish contains high levels of mercury and other heavy metals, which would not be of huge concern if you were just enjoying a piece of fish for dinner, but IS a concern if you are ingesting large, concentrated amounts of it such as you would in a supplement. I am still of the mindset that organic flax is a better choice for omegas. I have unfortunately HAD to learn the ins

and outs of truth in marketing, due to being nearly killed by deceptive marketing many, many times. I do not trust companies that are cavalier in their dismissal of food allergens, since it shows a disregard for the health of many-and I see that clearly with this company.

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Need to add that the mercury levels dropped in my hair tests after I began taking Zeo Health. My naturopath doesn't want me to eat ANY fish, but I must so I take the Zeo Health 4 times a day and with everything that might contain toxins (like green tea for its fluoride). The mercury levels dropped in my hair even though I continued to eat fish.

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Lea Ann Savage wrote:

I take powdered zeolite (Zeo Pure) every time I take the fish oil to help absorb the mercury and other heavy metals http://www.zeohealth.com/

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 11:49 AM, ~~ wrote:

ty brenda for the informative response. my husband also takes this for his high cholesterol and is very stubborn about dietary changes....another whole story..would the ground flax seed suffice for this issue. the doctor recommended this (fish oil) and he has been taking it for some time. i realize you are not a doctor and this is just your opinion but i value that opinion a great deal! ty. pam

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Berry <berrywell@...> wrote:

Sure, Pam, I will give you MY opinion, but remember-it is just that, my opinion. I have no basis to be an expert here, but this is my impression. In reading through their website, there is A LOT of deceptive and inaccurate information. If they will twist the truth on one thing, they will on another. First, they claim their fish comes from the "pristine waters" of Alaska. There is no such thing as pristine water anywhere on our planet. It is all contaminated, largely by the companies who over harvest it in an effort to mass produce these products in the first place. If fishing boats are able to get there to harvest it, trust that the water is far from pristine. Second, they make a lot of claims about it being wild "caught", not wild raised. This is a common deceptive marketing practice among companies.

They catch the fish as spawn, which is enough to define it as wild "caught", but they raise the spawn in intensively farmed tanks. I am NOT saying THIS company does this, just that their choice of wording leads me to believe that they do. They are also largely inaccurate and misleading in their FAQ page about addressing allergens, which again, leads me to believe that their bottom line, and NOT the health and welfare of the consumer is their only priority. Again, this is just my opinion. Also, even if the fish they use IS wild caught, most wild caught fish contains high levels of mercury and other heavy metals, which would not be of huge concern if you were just enjoying a piece of fish for dinner, but IS a concern if you are ingesting large, concentrated amounts of it such as you would in a supplement. I am still of the mindset that organic flax is a better choice for omegas. I have unfortunately HAD to learn the ins

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Recommended by the trainer at my gym. (Crossfit) Most of us follow

the Paleo diet.

Banged up from a car accident 4 years ago. Scapula pain and

sciatica.

I can't eat any fish or seafood without getting sick so even if not

banged up I would probably need some in my diet.

Also some of the better brands are now lemon flavored. It's about

the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio.

Here's an answer to that question I found on one of the crossfit

boards.

Fish oil is body oils from cold-water fish. The main things we

obtain from it are EPA & DHA. That's it.

Cod Liver Oil, while from a fish, is different in source and

constituents. CLO contains EPA/DHA (typically in smaller amounts

than a pure fish oil) and it also contains naturally-occurring

vitamin A & D. As we seem to live most of our lives indoors

nowadays, the exogenous vitamin D is very helpful to us.

2-3 Tbsp. a day, depending on brand (vitamins A and D are

fat-soluble and one can take too much), may or may not be

excessive, depending on things like liver function and sun

exposure.

In terms of liver function, here's one example. A college roommate

of mine was staying up all night playing a video game. Through a

combination of juicing and eating them, I think he went through

about a bag and a half of baby carrots. The next morning, he had

classic symptoms of vitamin A overdose, including skin rash,

headache, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), and a yellowish tint to

his skin. He is full-blooded Korean (this is significant when one

knows about liver CYP450 systems) and he had some "abnormal" liver

CYP450 systems (ie. he could drink more than anyone I'd ever seen,

he was also immune to morphine). The doctor at the school health

clinic paraded him around to all of the practitioners there as

seeing vitamin A overdose seems rare these days.

The liquid CLO from www.greenpasture.org that I take and

recommend is very high in A & D, about twice that of the

Carlson's liquid CLO that is currently popular on this board. 2-3

Tbsp of the Green Pasture might be too much for some, whereas the

Carlson's might be fine in that amount.

If you are looking to obtain your A, D, and EPA/DHA in as little

oil as possible, I'd personally look into your desires for levels

of each of those nutrients. Then do CLO to get the A & D (with

some EPA/DHA included) and finish off your EPA/DHA requirements

with some high potency fish oil (assuming that the CLO doesn't get

you where you want to be initially).

Tony

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Tony, why do you take Fish Oil versus Cod Liver Oil? I

take CLO myself, but am always open to new ideas!

Joyce

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I know everyone has different needs, and I am not trying to convince anyone NOT to take fish oil, but why would you take a supplement to absorb the bad stuff in another supplement, when the same stuff can be obtained from a natural organic source that has no bad stuff in the first place? And tastes yummy in a smoothie? Just curious...

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Oh, then disregard my last post about why you don't just use flax in the first place! I should have read further first, lol

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For me I can't eat fish.

Tony

On 3/6/2011 7:09 PM, Berry wrote:

 

I know

everyone has different needs, and I am not trying

to convince anyone NOT to take fish oil, but why

would you take a supplement to absorb the bad

stuff in another supplement, when the same stuff

can be obtained from a natural organic source that

has no bad stuff in the first place?  And tastes

yummy in a smoothie?  Just curious...

 

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How do you manage with fish oil if you can't eat fish? I can't eat fish either, due to the allergens in the processing, so I have little doubt that having it concentrated in oil form would help.

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NO clue.  I throw up if I eat anything from the water.

I tried Costco fish oil caps.

Switched to a QUALITY fish oil.

No problems.

Now that I make a smoothie daily I just add it.

Tony

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How do you

manage with fish oil if you can't eat fish?  I

can't eat fish either, due to the allergens in the

processing, so I have little doubt that having it

concentrated in oil form would help. 

 

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No idea of the purity of my source (Carlson's brand) and in an over abundance of caution and because I am mercury poisoned and take the stuff anyway (I still have a few fillings I haven't removed yet).I used to get really sick whenever I had a mercury filling removed and replaced with ceramics (the drilling it out stirred up the mercury) I had a filling replaced recently (due to a broken mercury filling - couldn't get to my biological dentist and had to use a "regular" dentist) I didn't get sick this time and attribute it to the fact that I practically inhaled the Zeo Health for a few days :-)My body burden of mercury is still high and until my hair samples come back in the normal range I will still take 3 times a day doses and when my levels come down I'll take one dose a day for life for all of the toxins I can't avoid.

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Berry wrote:

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I get sick from all seafood too. I traced it to the processing of it, more so than the seafood itself-and farmed fish makes me VERY sick-all the crap they feed and medicate it with, I am sure. Still, surprised you tolerate fish oil-glad you do, if it is helping you.

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Very interesting that you can't get what you need out of flax. There is a big

difference in the bio-availability of different types of omega 3 - such as nuts

vs fish. The most bio-available is krill, five times more than other types. That

means you can take much less of it and the body holds on to it. Krill is what

whales eat and live on. It does seem to stick with them

>

> > Those who take fish oil should be aware that most fish oil comes from

factory farmed fish, which are fed a steady diet of antibiotics, growth

hormones, steroids, etc., and the fish are fed a totally unnatural diet high in

grains, corn, soy and other things fish in the wild would have no access too

(unnatural diet keeps the fish unhealthy, thus the extra medications in the

feed) Dyes are often added to the farmed fish diet as well. ALL of that ends

up in the fish and resulting fish oil. Many companies claim to use " wild

CAUGHT " fish-a claim often made when fish are CAUGHT while they are spawn, but

RAISED in fish farms. Fish oil is highly concentrated so there may be way more

of this stuff present than you realize. Personally, I think one is better off

getting their omegas from ground flax seed, which is easily ground in the VM and

can be added to soooooooooo many things. Great baked into muffins and quick

breads, perfect as a thickener and egg substitute, and no need for some

artificial flavor to make it palatable!

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Do you know if you can buy boswella separately - perhaps as a herb,

and make some sort of tea with it or have it in a drink or

something? I'm in Aus, so no point trying to track down your

sources of it from here!

Fiona

On 6/03/2011 11:12 PM, flnancy1958 wrote:

She recommends you start with two pills and go down to

one. I also do fresh ginger in the smoothie. I sort of

tend to overdo things so I can't vouch for amounts. All I

know, is I feel it has been a big part of my recovery and

maintenance. Good luck if you try it. I also know you can

purchase boswella separately, not from her but from other

places.

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> incense, Tumeric, & Ginger

.....

> > I am on a combination of boswella, tumeric and

ginger for my herniated

> discs and arthritis in my spine and it has been

wonderful. Everything has

> gone away.

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Hoping it helps.  Never took more than 10 days as I forget.  Trying

to remember to put in smoothies daily though.

Tony

On 3/6/2011 8:10 PM, Berry wrote:

 

I get sick

from all seafood too.  I traced it to the

processing of it, more so than the seafood

itself-and farmed fish makes me VERY sick-all the

crap they feed and medicate it with, I am sure. 

Still, surprised you tolerate fish oil-glad you

do, if it is helping you.

 

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Did a google search on 'australian source for boswellia' and came up with a

bunch of hits. Do you have a place you buy herbs? They are sure to have it as

well. I'm a fan of capsules myself some of the herbs taste vile.

Page

>

> Do you know if you can buy boswella separately - perhaps as a herb, and

> make some sort of tea with it or have it in a drink or something? I'm

> in Aus, so no point trying to track down your sources of it from here!

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There's also Chia seeds.  And walnuts are quite good too - not as

good as flax or chia, but it all adds up if you can add some walnuts

to something you're baking, or have something like walnut and rice

balls (like meat ball type shape things) to go with salad, or some

"walnut parmesan" sprinkled on pasta

(http://veganepicurean.blogspot.com/2010/07/baked-stuffed-zucchini-and-peppers-and.html

scroll down for the recipe, and search the site for another

version).

Here's what the back of the pkt of chia seeds that I have here says:

"The chia seed is the highest known plant source of omega-3 (8 times

more than salmon) and unlike other sources of this important

essential fatty acid (eg flaxseed or fish) it is highly stable due

to its powerful naturally occuring antioxidants ..... also a good

source of potassium, phospohorous, folate, zinc, fibre, Vitamins A,

B12 and C and is a great source of 18 amino acids ... Packed with

complete protein (Up to 23%) and 5 times more calcium than milk, 6

times more fibre than oatbran, 3 times more iron than spinach, 15

times more magnesium than broccoli and an ORAC value 4 times higher

than blueberries."  Also environmentally friendly to grow - bug

resistant, doesn't need much water.

I do flax too but am experimenting with adding in some chia seeds. 

I don't have ailments that I'm trying to treat with it, so can't say

how much you'd need for different reasons though.

Fiona

On 7/03/2011 3:49 AM, ~~ wrote:

 

ty brenda for the informative response.  my husband also

takes this for his high cholesterol and is very stubborn

about dietary changes....another whole story..would the

ground flax seed suffice for this issue.  the doctor

recommended this (fish oil) and he has been taking it for

some time.  i realize you are not a doctor and this is

just your opinion but i value that opinion a great deal!

 ty.  pam

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wrote:

 

Sure,

Pam, I will give you MY opinion, but

remember-it is just that, my opinion.  I

have no basis to be an expert here, but

this is my impression.  In reading

through their website, there is A LOT of

deceptive and inaccurate information. 

If they will twist the truth on one

thing, they will on another.  First,

they claim their fish comes from the

"pristine waters" of Alaska.  There is

no such thing as pristine water anywhere

on our planet.  It is all contaminated,

largely by the companies who over

harvest it in an effort to mass produce

these products in the first place.  If

fishing boats are able to get there to

harvest it, trust that the water is far

from pristine.  Second, they make a lot

of claims about it being wild "caught",

not wild raised.  This is a common

deceptive marketing practice among

companies.  They catch the fish as

spawn, which is enough to define it as

wild "caught", but they raise the spawn

in intensively farmed tanks.  I am NOT

saying THIS company does this, just that

their choice of wording leads me to

believe that they do.  They are also

largely inaccurate and misleading in

their FAQ page about addressing

allergens, which again, leads me to

believe that their bottom line, and NOT

the health and welfare of the consumer

is their only priority.  Again, this is

just my opinion.  Also, even if the fish

they use IS wild caught, most wild

caught fish contains high levels of

mercury and other heavy metals, which

would not be of huge concern if you were

just enjoying a piece of fish for

dinner, but IS a concern if you are

ingesting large, concentrated amounts of

it such as you would in a supplement.  I

am still of the mindset that organic

flax is a better choice for omegas.  I

have unfortunately HAD to learn the ins

and outs of truth in marketing, due to

being nearly killed by deceptive

marketing many, many times.  I do not

trust companies that are cavalier in

their dismissal of food allergens, since

it shows a disregard for the health of

many-and I see that clearly with this

company.

 

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Chia seeds also make a wonderful, chemical free hair gel! Just soak them for a few hours, and buzz up in the VM with a little extra water.

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Lea Ann,

You are correct about that! People whose ancestry is Coastal Native American,

Scandinavian, Celtic Irish, ish or Welsh evolved from peoples whose diet

included large amounts of fish. Genetically, their bodies require fish oil (or

algae oil supplements for vegetarians), which in these groups not only promotes

better health, but also relieves depression and reduces cravings for alcohol.

This info is from p. 107 (Fatty Acid Deficiency) of the book THE DIET CURE by

Ross.

Joyce

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Since you asked for recommendations I would like to share mine. I like Nature's

Sunshine Products because of their excellent quality assurance program, low

prices and wide selection with over 600 products. I really spent days searching

and studying about 100 companies when I finished school, trying to figure out

who to trust with my reputation and a place I could get a variety of pure herbs.

I am happy with my decision. A lot of other naturopaths have gone with NSP too.

I do not trust a company unless they have a great quality assurance program. If

they have one, you will know because they will advertise it. It is a costly

thing for them to do but it's the only way they can know what they are selling.

I keep this formula called IF Relief on hand and should probably take it all the

time. It has boswellia and turmeric and a few other synergistic herbs. It's

wonderful!Here's the link.

http://www.mynsp.com/drake/products/guide.aspx?stockNum=1175

I also find I can tolerate their krill oil with no problem. It is great.

http://www.mynsp.com/drake/products/guide.aspx?stockNum=1175

Their search engine is nice too. you can type in half a word and it will pull up

everything that has it as an ingredient. Like type in boswe for boswellia and it

will pull up 4 items.

(If your total on your first order comes to $40 you pay members price and get a

one year membership for free.

You get 10% back if your order goes over $100.

I have a video on their quality assurance on my website:

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Visit our Website at: http://www.debdrake.com

Listen to your body when it whispers and you will never have to listen to it

scream.

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> >

> > Fiona

> >

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Great info, Fiona! I have no joint pain at all, but still have Fibro " Trigger

Point " pain. Unfortunately, Omega 3's haven't helped me with that; but that's

just my experience.

Joyce

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Lea Ann,

Does this work as well as the much more expensive Waoira Zeolite that you have

used in the past?

Joyce

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