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I know that the word tone is a myth, I just forgot to put " " around it but basically what I said is correct, right?

Jen

Tonya - <mslightning@...> wrote:

The word "tone" is a myth. To most people it just means that they want to see their muscles, but not have large muscles. Both methods build muscle, just in a different way. Slow and heavy is for building bulk. Light and lots of reps is just less bulk building and increases muscular endurance.

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Another question/comment from "the peanut gallery aka 'Jen is gonna be a smart a$$ now! LOL.'" Okay I read in a book somewhere (forget now which one) but I thought that to increase muscle mass you would lift heavier weights slower and to increase the shape or tone of your muscles you would lift lighter weights faster, is this right or wrong????

Excuse any incorrect terminology

Jen

Dippelmonsters@... wrote:

okay here's one for ya LOL(i just gotta be smart alec) say one wants to increase muscle size and strength as well. to you increase the load on both positive and negative, to you split this type of training up,or can be used in the same routine? just asking b/c hubby has a goal for both, while i want some size i want more strength.

the smart a$$ kid

kassia

In a message dated 6/11/2005 7:00:45 P.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, mslightning@... writes:

Increasing the load on the eccentric phase will increase the size of the muscle. Increasing the load on the concentric phase will increse the strength without increasing size. Just really depends on what you are trying to do. For example, I have arms almost as big as my husbands, so I don't want to increase size, but I do want to increase strength. Therefore, I increase my weight, so slower on the concentric (positive) phase and faster on the eccentric (negative) phase. This gives the increase in strength, without adding more muscle size. Make sense?

Sometimes I wonder if I explain this stuff where it makes sense outside of my brain. LOL

Tonya

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At 05:49 PM 6/11/2005, Tonya - wrote:

>Actually, hydraulics aren't designed for muscle gains. They were actually

>designed for physical therapy, but were adapted to circuit gyms for women

>because they can't bulk you up.

hi tonya - i still dont see the point of using this type of machine but

::shrug:: im glad that i got dumbells when i was first starting out.

:*carolyn.

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At 05:53 PM 6/11/2005, Tonya - wrote:

>Therefore, I increase my weight, so slower on the concentric (positive)

>phase and faster on the eccentric (negative) phase. This gives the

>increase in strength, without adding more muscle size. Make sense?

ok! thankyou for answering all of my questions tonya!

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At 07:01 PM 6/11/2005, Dippelmonsters@... wrote:

> say one wants to increase muscle size and strength as well. to you

> increase the load on both positive and negative, to you split this type

> of training up,or can be used in the same routine?

to increase the weight on both the postive and negative at the same time,

you would increase the weight that you are using, but according to tonya's

post, you could also lift slowly, and evenly, through both phases. like a

3 count up, with a 3 count down for example, instead of doing a 3count up

and 1 count down to focus mainly on the strength aspect (or vice versa with

1 count up and 3 counts down which would focus mainly on muscle size).

this is good to know tonya! thankyou for the info.

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At 07:19 PM 6/11/2005, Dahlstrom wrote:

>to increase muscle mass you would lift heavier weights slower and to

>increase the shape or tone of your muscles you would lift lighter weights

>faster, is this right or wrong????

i believe this is correct. slow & heavy will also increase

strength. fast & light will also increase muscle endurance.

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Carolyn & experts,

" i believe this is correct. slow & heavy will also increase

> strength. fast & light will also increase muscle endurance. "

So this means a " little " of both each week should produce both

strength and endurance.

Stacey

> >to increase muscle mass you would lift heavier weights slower and to

> >increase the shape or tone of your muscles you would lift lighter

weights

> >faster, is this right or wrong????

>

> i believe this is correct. slow & heavy will also increase

> strength. fast & light will also increase muscle endurance.

> :*carolyn.

>

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Giggles at Carolyn!

I know what you mean. It is typically for non exercisers or people who need rehab from an injury. I manage a Hydraulic Gym, and I still do real weights because while I get a good cardio workout from the hydraulics, I don't get any muscle pump.

Tonya

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At 05:49 PM 6/11/2005, Tonya - wrote:>Actually, hydraulics aren't designed for muscle gains. They were actually >designed for physical therapy, but were adapted to circuit gyms for women >because they can't bulk you up.hi tonya - i still dont see the point of using this type of machine but ::shrug:: im glad that i got dumbells when i was first starting out.:*carolyn. -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/08/2005

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Kinda? Light weight and high reps won't change the shape of your muscles, they are just more cardio-like and therefore burns the fat covering your muscles (from all over, you can't spot reduce) so it looks like you are improving the "tone" of the muscle. Make sense?

Tonya

Re: Question for Tonya or the fitness experts

Another question/comment from "the peanut gallery aka 'Jen is gonna be a smart a$$ now! LOL.'" Okay I read in a book somewhere (forget now which one) but I thought that to increase muscle mass you would lift heavier weights slower and to increase the shape or tone of your muscles you would lift lighter weights faster, is this right or wrong????

Excuse any incorrect terminology

Jen

Dippelmonsters@... wrote:

okay here's one for ya LOL(i just gotta be smart alec) say one wants to increase muscle size and strength as well. to you increase the load on both positive and negative, to you split this type of training up,or can be used in the same routine? just asking b/c hubby has a goal for both, while i want some size i want more strength.

the smart a$$ kid

kassia

In a message dated 6/11/2005 7:00:45 P.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, mslightning@... writes:

Increasing the load on the eccentric phase will increase the size of the muscle. Increasing the load on the concentric phase will increse the strength without increasing size. Just really depends on what you are trying to do. For example, I have arms almost as big as my husbands, so I don't want to increase size, but I do want to increase strength. Therefore, I increase my weight, so slower on the concentric (positive) phase and faster on the eccentric (negative) phase. This gives the increase in strength, without adding more muscle size. Make sense?

Sometimes I wonder if I explain this stuff where it makes sense outside of my brain. LOL

Tonya

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Exactly!

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Carolyn & experts,"i believe this is correct. slow & heavy will also increase > strength. fast & light will also increase muscle endurance."So this means a "little" of both each week should produce bothstrength and endurance.Stacey> >to increase muscle mass you would lift heavier weights slower and to > >increase the shape or tone of your muscles you would lift lighterweights > >faster, is this right or wrong????> > i believe this is correct. slow & heavy will also increase > strength. fast & light will also increase muscle endurance.> :*carolyn.> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/08/2005

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At 10:12 AM 6/12/2005, billsgirl93 wrote:

>So this means a " little " of both each week should produce both

>strength and endurance.

i think that the ideal thing to do is to concentrate on slow & heavy for a

period of time, then concentrate on fast & light for a period of time. the

period of time is up to you... i would say it could be a matter of one to

six weeks, before switching.

:*carolyn.

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