tying shoes

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all for the " congratulations " on Craig's shoe tying!! We're so

lucky that Craig is easy to motivate; knowing he would be able to " buy

something " and go to Friendly's was enough to make his want to keep trying.

I think the concentrated effort over a few days was also more effective than

a half-hearted approach over the years. I'm still so excited about this

(probably more so than Craig) and last night woke up in the middle of a dream

coaching him through that hard " last loop " part!!

Bev

[Guest guest]

Ok, I think that is two of our kids in the list so far that has

accomplished this mission. I think it was Matt?

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> Thanks to all for the " congratulations " on Craig's shoe tying!!

We're so

> lucky that Craig is easy to motivate; knowing he would be able

to " buy

> something " and go to Friendly's was enough to make his want to keep

trying.

> I think the concentrated effort over a few days was also more

effective than

> a half-hearted approach over the years. I'm still so excited about

this

> (probably more so than Craig) and last night woke up in the middle

of a dream

> coaching him through that hard " last loop " part!!

> Bev

[Guest guest]

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Bev, so cute, I have dreams like this, you did work hard on helping

him with this and I too am so impressed! Great to hear Craigs

success!!Dawn

-- In @y..., bfrey97147@a... wrote:

> Thanks to all for the " congratulations " on Craig's shoe tying!!

We're so

> lucky that Craig is easy to motivate; knowing he would be able

to " buy

> something " and go to Friendly's was enough to make his want to keep

trying.

> I think the concentrated effort over a few days was also more

effective than

> a half-hearted approach over the years. I'm still so excited about

this

> (probably more so than Craig) and last night woke up in the middle

of a dream

> coaching him through that hard " last loop " part

Bev

[Guest guest]

my son is almost 10 and can tie shoes but they always come undone, so I always buy the pull on type too so that he is not always being told by teachers and people to tie his shoes, he also has bad handwriting and does great with legos. I figure its one less stress to just get the pull on or zip up than to always being told he looked sloppy at school

good luck

Greta

-----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ]On Behalf Of WeberSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:26 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Tying shoes

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Being unable to tie shoe laces does seem to be very common, my son was the

same. (He also has the bad handwriting but has no trouble with Lego (please

all you americans note it has no 's'), nor does he have trouble with

soldering circuit boards). He taught himself at about age 9 when he was

being bullied about wearing velcro shoes. He uses a method which I have

heard described as 'bunny ears', although as far as I can tell he invented

it for himself. Do the first part of the knot, then create two loops from

the two laces and tie these together exactly like is done for the first

part, or as a double knot. No looping of one lace around the other.

in England

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Being unable to tie shoe laces does seem to be very common, my son was the

same. (He also has the bad handwriting but has no trouble with Lego (please

all you americans note it has no 's'), nor does he have trouble with

soldering circuit boards). He taught himself at about age 9 when he was

being bullied about wearing velcro shoes. He uses a method which I have

heard described as 'bunny ears', although as far as I can tell he invented

it for himself. Do the first part of the knot, then create two loops from

the two laces and tie these together exactly like is done for the first

part, or as a double knot. No looping of one lace around the other.

in England

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice, I will give it a try and let you know if it worked. Rowell <nancy@...> wrote: Hi ,Being unable to tie shoe laces does seem to be very common, my son was the same. (He also has the bad handwriting but has no trouble with Lego (please all you americans note it has no 's'), nor does he have trouble with soldering circuit boards). He taught himself at about age 9 when he was being bullied about wearing velcro shoes. He uses a method which I have heard described as 'bunny ears', although as far as I can tell he invented it for himself. Do the first part of the knot, then create two loops from the two laces and tie these together exactly like is done for the first part, or as a double knot. No looping of one lace around the other. in England

[Guest guest]

My dh too. is 8 now and she just learned how to tie shoes a few months ago, this school year. She also uses the "bunny ears" technique. Most of the time she still asks us to tie for her because she take so long. Rowell <nancy@...> wrote:

Hi ,Being unable to tie shoe laces does seem to be very common, my son was the same.

Carol, mom to

, 3/14/94

, 2/18/97

Lily, 9/7/04__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

My son too. He is going into the 6th grade next year and can't tie. In fact, they had the kids from the middle school come about a month ago and talk to them about it and the only question my son had is "Can you still go to middle school if you can't tie your shoes? I mean, how am I suppose to dress out for gym?" The nice young lady told him to get shoes that slip on or to tuck his laces like the cool kids do and he'd be fine.

Thank God for nice kids!!

Lynn

-- Re: Tying shoes

My dh too. is 8 now and she just learned how to tie shoes a few months ago, this school year. She also uses the "bunny ears" technique. Most of the time she still asks us to tie for her because she take so long. Rowell <nancy@...> wrote: Hi ,Being unable to tie shoe laces does seem to be very common, my son was the same.

Carol, mom to

, 3/14/94

, 2/18/97

Lily, 9/7/04

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have heard that for children with fine motor difficulties it is best to teach them how to tie their shoes on something stable. Shoes and those dolls are not stable- kids have to hold them as well as tie.

The puzzles that they make- we just bought one on clearance at A.C. s ( a craft store) are stable. The puzzle is flat on the table. The children practice lacing and tying.

Discovery Toys sells a catapiller that is stable and has multiple fine motor tasks including tying. This is nice because under each task is a pocket that you can put treats in-- your son may be to grown for this toy.

A shoe box is stable. Punch holes in it, lace it and put a shoe lace in it.

I was told to make the ends of the laces more secure by taping scotch tape over the already hard part.

We just bought our son sneakers with zippers- this helps him use his fine motor skills without frustrating him- he can't tie either and has no interest in learning. I guess if all else fails- using shoes with other fasteners is still an option.

goodluck,

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

If you think your son would go along with it, here is the method I used to teach Stefan to tie his shoes. He was 4 when I started teaching him and he can now do it himself (will turn 7 soon).

1. I broke it down into each individual step and had him name each step for me as I tied the shoe for him. (shoe on the foot, straighten the tongue, pull the laces tight, make an X, go under with the shoestring on the top, pull it down tight, make a rabbit ear on the right, run the other string around the outside of the bow, tuck that string into the right space, pull bow ends tight).

2. Once he knew all of the steps cold, I started doing things "wrong" so he could catch me and correct what I was doing. Then I knew that he really knew the steps and their order.

3. Then I began to require him to do a step until he was completely comfortable doing it. To begin with, it was his job to put the shoes on and then I did all the other steps. I then chained from there. He would put the shoe on and straighten the tongue and I would do the rest. Then he would put the shoe on, straighten the tongue, and pull the laces tight and I would do the rest.

4. I continued adding one step at a time and would not add a new step until he could "make his fingers" do the new step correctly and easily.

5. Once he was able to do all the steps with no problem, I then began to insist that he always do his shoes himself. I always made sure to allow PLENTY of time for him to work on the task and would sit and wait quietly for him (the hard part!!) to finish. Then out the door we would go.

6. I did not require him to do "his portion" of the shoe tying during the learning phase if I was in a hurry to get out the door and quite often only required it when we were headed somewhere that was a real motivator for him (like the partk, a friend's house, etc.).

Hope these ideas spark some of your own that will be helpful for your son.

Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

If you think your son would go along with it, here is the method I used to teach Stefan to tie his shoes. He was 4 when I started teaching him and he can now do it himself (will turn 7 soon).

1. I broke it down into each individual step and had him name each step for me as I tied the shoe for him. (shoe on the foot, straighten the tongue, pull the laces tight, make an X, go under with the shoestring on the top, pull it down tight, make a rabbit ear on the right, run the other string around the outside of the bow, tuck that string into the right space, pull bow ends tight).

2. Once he knew all of the steps cold, I started doing things "wrong" so he could catch me and correct what I was doing. Then I knew that he really knew the steps and their order.

3. Then I began to require him to do a step until he was completely comfortable doing it. To begin with, it was his job to put the shoes on and then I did all the other steps. I then chained from there. He would put the shoe on and straighten the tongue and I would do the rest. Then he would put the shoe on, straighten the tongue, and pull the laces tight and I would do the rest.

4. I continued adding one step at a time and would not add a new step until he could "make his fingers" do the new step correctly and easily.

5. Once he was able to do all the steps with no problem, I then began to insist that he always do his shoes himself. I always made sure to allow PLENTY of time for him to work on the task and would sit and wait quietly for him (the hard part!!) to finish. Then out the door we would go.

6. I did not require him to do "his portion" of the shoe tying during the learning phase if I was in a hurry to get out the door and quite often only required it when we were headed somewhere that was a real motivator for him (like the partk, a friend's house, etc.).

Hope these ideas spark some of your own that will be helpful for your son.

Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

Bad handwriting here too, and actually not that great with Lego...

Anyway, my ds learned how to tie his shoes this year. For him it

was a matter of not having a memory for muscle movements and motor

planning. His fingers can't remember how to do it. When I found a

word-orentied way for him to remember the steps he miraculously got

it.

We use the following song sung to the tune of " Splish Splash I Was

Taking a Bath... " (I found this on the internet on a shoe tying web

site!)

Criss cross and go under the bridge,

Now you've gotta pull it tight,

Make a loop,

But keep a long tail,

That's how you do it right.

Now you take the other string,

Wrap it 'round the loop,

Push it through the hole,

Now you got the scoop.

Criss cross and go under the bridge,

Now you've got a double knot.

My son is 7 so he does not find this babyish. That is not the point

though. You need to find what the root cause is for your son not

being able to tie the shoes and address that.

Many of our kids have trouble with motor planning, so you might give

some sort of memory device a shot! (I know there are bunny ear

stories out there too!)

Good luck

Anne, Mom to Jack, 7.7, AS, DSI, ADD

> We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I

have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot

tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he

could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of

doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the

velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem?

It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more

difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also

has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small

Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It

just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I

cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own

shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right

and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!! JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I have heard that for children with fine motor difficulties it is best to teach them how to tie their shoes on something stable. Shoes and those dolls are not stable- kids have to hold them as well as tie.

The puzzles that they make- we just bought one on clearance at A.C. s ( a craft store) are stable. The puzzle is flat on the table. The children practice lacing and tying.

Discovery Toys sells a catapiller that is stable and has multiple fine motor tasks including tying. This is nice because under each task is a pocket that you can put treats in-- your son may be to grown for this toy.

A shoe box is stable. Punch holes in it, lace it and put a shoe lace in it.

I was told to make the ends of the laces more secure by taping scotch tape over the already hard part.

We just bought our son sneakers with zippers- this helps him use his fine motor skills without frustrating him- he can't tie either and has no interest in learning. I guess if all else fails- using shoes with other fasteners is still an option.

goodluck,

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

Boy, you guys keep giving me all these great ideas, what's wrong with me that I can't think of these things?? I'll let you all know which method worked the best. Thanks to you all!! Szponder <cszponder@...> wrote:

Dear ,

If you think your son would go along with it, here is the method I used to teach Stefan to tie his shoes. He was 4 when I started teaching him and he can now do it himself (will turn 7 soon).

1. I broke it down into each individual step and had him name each step for me as I tied the shoe for him. (shoe on the foot, straighten the tongue, pull the laces tight, make an X, go under with the shoestring on the top, pull it down tight, make a rabbit ear on the right, run the other string around the outside of the bow, tuck that string into the right space, pull bow ends tight).

2. Once he knew all of the steps cold, I started doing things "wrong" so he could catch me and correct what I was doing. Then I knew that he really knew the steps and their order.

3. Then I began to require him to do a step until he was completely comfortable doing it. To begin with, it was his job to put the shoes on and then I did all the other steps. I then chained from there. He would put the shoe on and straighten the tongue and I would do the rest. Then he would put the shoe on, straighten the tongue, and pull the laces tight and I would do the rest.

4. I continued adding one step at a time and would not add a new step until he could "make his fingers" do the new step correctly and easily.

5. Once he was able to do all the steps with no problem, I then began to insist that he always do his shoes himself. I always made sure to allow PLENTY of time for him to work on the task and would sit and wait quietly for him (the hard part!!) to finish. Then out the door we would go.

6. I did not require him to do "his portion" of the shoe tying during the learning phase if I was in a hurry to get out the door and quite often only required it when we were headed somewhere that was a real motivator for him (like the partk, a friend's house, etc.).

Hope these ideas spark some of your own that will be helpful for your son.

Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking the same thing myself. I was watching him navigate through a computer game that was well above his age level. He can't even draw the letter C (fine motor issues) but can type his entire name. It's frustrating, but I find myself grateful that he has some strengths to build on.

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!! JANE MAJEWSKI <janemajewski@...> wrote:

I have heard that for children with fine motor difficulties it is best to teach them how to tie their shoes on something stable. Shoes and those dolls are not stable- kids have to hold them as well as tie.

The puzzles that they make- we just bought one on clearance at A.C. s ( a craft store) are stable. The puzzle is flat on the table. The children practice lacing and tying.

Discovery Toys sells a catapiller that is stable and has multiple fine motor tasks including tying. This is nice because under each task is a pocket that you can put treats in-- your son may be to grown for this toy.

A shoe box is stable. Punch holes in it, lace it and put a shoe lace in it.

I was told to make the ends of the laces more secure by taping scotch tape over the already hard part.

We just bought our son sneakers with zippers- this helps him use his fine motor skills without frustrating him- he can't tie either and has no interest in learning. I guess if all else fails- using shoes with other fasteners is still an option.

goodluck,

Jane Weber <shell.belle@...> wrote:

We have all been on the subject lately about bike riding, but I have had a concern of my son's, he is 13 with As and still cannot tie his shoes. I have given up on this a long time ago because he could never catch on. My other two caught on after a few times of doing it, but my son has such difficulty. I always buy him the velcroe or pull on shoes now. Does anyone else have this problem? It seems such a simple task but for someone with AS it may be more difficult. It could be tied in with the small motor skills. He also has horrible handwriting. He works great though with the very small Lego pieces and can put those together without any difficulty. It just seems he should learn how to tie a bow or shoes pretty soon. I cannot picture him being a man and not being able to tie his own shoes. He gets very upset or angry if he cannot do something right and therefore makes it harder for me to teach him. Any suggestions

anyone?? I could use the advice!

[Guest guest]

See the lack of common sense is what frightens me most about this disorder. I keep thinking that IF he ever moves out that he will leave the stove on or something and stuff will be burning and he will not even have a CLUE because he also has congenital anosmia (born with no sense of smell). It totally freaks me out when I think of it!

-Charlotte

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

in IL

[Guest guest]

I worry about stuff like that too. But with your son having lack of smell, I see what you're saying. designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

See the lack of common sense is what frightens me most about this disorder. I keep thinking that IF he ever moves out that he will leave the stove on or something and stuff will be burning and he will not even have a CLUE because he also has congenital anosmia (born with no sense of smell). It totally freaks me out when I think of it!

-Charlotte

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

in IL

[Guest guest]

Maybe he would be a candidate for a dog trained to detect certain

scents.....

> AOL EmailSee the lack of common sense is what frightens me most

about this disorder. I keep thinking that IF he ever moves out that

he will leave the stove on or something and stuff will be burning

and he will not even have a CLUE because he also has congenital

anosmia (born with no sense of smell). It totally freaks me out

when I think of it!

> -Charlotte

> tying shoes

>

>

> In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight

Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

>

> This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's

just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical

stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but

can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

>

> ******************** YEs this was always my son too

. My husband would say that he feared that my son was a

genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any

common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

>

> Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie

his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

>

> in IL

>

>

>

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>

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Thats a pretty good idea!

tying shoes> > > In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:> > This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!! > > ******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.> > Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.> > in IL > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

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Thats a pretty good idea!

tying shoes> > > In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:> > This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!! > > ******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.> > Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.> > in IL > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

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More of a double whammy that has me worried!

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

in IL

[Guest guest]

More of a double whammy that has me worried!

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

in IL

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Yes!!! I am so afraid of letting my son go on his own. His common sense is way off, and the fact that he's very lazy, not to mention other things as well. He has cooked a few things on his own, like macaroni and cheese from the box, but with my supervision. The only thing I have to say that is on the plus side for him is that he seems pretty responsible when it comes to knowing what he needs to have done, especially things like school work or certain papers that need to be returned and things he needs for school. Wish he were that way when it comes to making his bed and doing his chores though. He's responsible at school, but not much at home. designs <scottdesigns@...> wrote:

More of a double whammy that has me worried!

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

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Do you live in my house? lol.

tying shoes

In a message dated 6/10/05 3:47:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Autism and Aspergers Treatment writes:

This is actually a great idea. I'll try that too! It's just so funny to think that my son is such a wiz in other technical stuff, and at doing Algebra and is even in high honors science but can't even tie a shoe, isn't that something!!!

******************** YEs this was always my son too . My husband would say that he feared that my son was a genius who would not be able to do the common things and have any common sense, and that is truly what it is like.

Anyway, , my Aspergers, 16 year old, did learn to tie his shoes thankfully, but it took a while.

in IL