Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 I would lean toward a non-verbal IQ test, if an IQ test at all (UNIT, for example), and be sure it includes memory skills. Also, is there no expressive speech eval suggestion? If you want an IEE, it has to be a redo of the same areas covered already by the district within the past year. Did they recently assess speech, IQ, academics, etc.? If not, you have to let them do their eval before you can request an IEE. Generally, the IEE evaluator will use different assessment tools than the district used because you can't retest too soon with the same tools or the eval may be invalid. For example, if the district used WISC a month or two ago, the IEE would have to use UNIT or Stanford Binet. The IEE evaluator should be sufficiently knowledgeable to determine the appropriate assessment tools to use to be both valid and provide information, but be sure you tell the evaluator what has been done within the past year and further back as well. If there are a lot of evaluation results already available, the IEE evaluator may be able to analyze them and only redo some areas or not do some areas at all. You might even want to have that analysis done before you request an IEE to avoid unnecessary re-evaluations. A good analysis of what the existing results mean can be more helpful sometimes than another set of scores. The district has limited control of who does the IEE. Parents have a good deal of latitude in the evaluator--so long as 1) the evaluator is qualified (for example, a psychologist licensed in your state would need to do IQ testing; a speech path with state certification or licensure would need to do any speech evals; etc.); 2) the assessment tools are valid and appropriate for the child; 3) the cost is not outside the norms for the evaluation given; 4) the evaluator usually needs to be in a reasonable distance from the district--going outside state lines is risky and travel costs are rarely reimbursable. So long as you meet those criteria--which are about all the district can demand ( " Additional conditions or timelines may not be imposed for obtaining an IEE at public expense " ) and which should all be covered in the information that the district gives you regarding IEE criteria, you can use any evaluator you choose, not just from the required list the district provides. Be aware that the district doesn't have to pay up front for the IEE. They can and often do wait for the results to see if any criteria have been violated. If not, they usually reimburse you for your payment to the provider (often required with service delivery). If the district has any issue with your IEE not meeting the criteria, they can refuse to pay and you would have to take them to due process to collect. Also, if the district asserts that it has done a fully appropriate evaluation, they can refuse to pay for an IEE and you have to take them to due process to prove their evaluation was not appropriate to collect. While you are not required to state why you don't agree with the district evaluation, it's a good idea to have a solid reason for your disagreement. Have they done an FBA? Be aware that in at least some circuits FBAs have been determined NOT to be assessments and no IEE is available. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 These are the tests that were used for on her transistion to Kindy..... Bracken Basic Concept Scale-School Readiness Composite Wechsler Individual Achievement Test-Achievement Levels Developmental Test of Visual-Motor Integration-Hand-eye Coordination Visual-Aural Digit Span-Auditory & Visual Processing Behavior Assessment Scale for Children-Social/Emotional Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales-Adaptive functioning Curriculum Based Assessment Record Review Clinical Observations Clinical Interview Now I did not allow an numerical IQ test but these others gave the school good info Need Help - Again > Hi All, > > I'm back with questions. I had a consultation with a psyc about getting an > independent education evaluation as per everyone's recommendations. This > lady suggested these tests (if I can read her writing): > > IQ -WISC-IU > > School/Skills - WJ-III > > Adaptive Behavior - ABS > > Receptive Language PPVT-III > > She indicated that she could refer me to town for more comprehensive > testing if I needed her to. I'm thinking that maybe I should. I really > don't know what I'm doing and asking for when I asked for an Independent > Education Evaluation. Also I looked on the OSE website and found this > information. According to what I am reading the Independent Evaluation > must meet agency criteria, regardless of public or private expense, > including the location of the evaluation and the qualifications of the > evaluators. What am I looking to do here? What tests/evaluations should be > given? Should I inform them tomorrow that I am looking to get an > Independent Eval.? HELP...the IEP is tomorrow. BTW - they did suspend > from school. Got a letter in the mail on Saturday the 19th. Our > Thanksgiving Holiday is under a big black cloud. > > Barb (who can't take much more of this) > > > > Independent Educational Evaluation > > > Parents who disagree with the school district's evaluation have a right to > an independent educational evaluation (IEE) at public expense. The school > district may ask why the parent disagrees, but the evaluation cannot be > delayed if the parent chooses not to give this information. The school > district must, without delay, ensure the evaluation is provided at public > expense, or request a due process hearing to show its evaluation is > appropriate or to show the parent's evaluation did not meet agency > criteria. If the hearing officer decides the school district's evaluation > is appropriate, the parent has a right to an independent educational > evaluation, but not at public expense. If the parent obtains an > independent educational evaluation at private expense, the results of the > evaluation must be considered, if it meets agency criteria, by the school > district in any decision regarding FAPE of the student. The results may be > presented at a due process hearing. > > > If the hearing officer requests an independent educational evaluation as > part of a due process hearing, it is at public expense. Whenever an > independent educational evaluation is at public expense, the criteria > under which it is obtained, including the location of the evaluation and > qualifications of the examiner, must be the same as the criteria the > school district uses when it initiates an evaluation. Additional > conditions or timelines may not be imposed for obtaining an IEE at public > expense. > > > The school district must provide to parents, upon request, information > about where to obtain an independent educational evaluation and the > criteria for evaluation, including the location of the evaluation and the > qualifications of the evaluators. > > > > Also found this on slaw: > > http://www.wrightslaw.com/advoc/articles/ALESSI1.html > > " Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that > something else is more important than fear. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Hi Judi, Thanks for your response. The school did perform Tri-Ennial testing in Winter 04. The ususal PT, OT, SLT testing. Then there was the WISC-IV, ABAS, WJIII, and Teacher Evaluation Report. I suspect from having read all the posts that the WISC-IV testing was not a good idea and I should have/could have refused this test for ??? I guarantee they would have been beyond excited if I had pursued that option. The situation is that has difficulties more so with receptive language than expressive and as a result when given these standardized tests his scores are not indicative of what he knows. All are in agreement however they cannot adapt language or test results are invalid. Also, if language is a concern, how then, can they place him in a self-contained classroom with 6 other children, 3 of which are non-verbal and all who are functioning on different levels and expect him to make progress with 1/2 hour speech/language services 1x per week? I don't like how is treated in this classroom/school either, as they speak to him and interact with him on a much lower level. I would also comment that has not been taught in the ways/methods he learns best and that the test scores should be a wake up call to them to go outside their box and provide him with what he needs to learn. Yeah...right. Sorry...I really am bitter about having to go through this year after year after year.........it's taxing my sanity. My plan was to have the Independent Evaluations done at private expense. The independent evaluator wanted me to bring copies of the school evaluations and 's IEP. I also will call today and set up an evaluation with a Speech/Language Therapist. We are to-date in it knee deep with a 5 day suspension the week prior to Thanksgiving and facing an IEP this a.m. Cannot get any help/direction here from within/without the school system. Got alot of nice places set up in the state and they make for good reading on the internet but don't expect to find anyone to go to IEP meetings and hold your hand. Them that do go know even less than I do. I've even had some go to meetings with me in past years that ended up on the other side of the fence if you can believe that. It's time to get rolling around here this a.m. Dread....I will be letting everyone know how the meeting went today. Thanks again..Judi Barb mom to 12(ds) & Tyler 10(nds) RE: Need Help - Again >I would lean toward a non-verbal IQ test, if an IQ test at all (UNIT, for > example), and be sure it includes memory skills. Also, is there no > expressive speech eval suggestion? > > If you want an IEE, it has to be a redo of the same areas covered already > by > the district within the past year. Did they recently assess speech, IQ, > academics, etc.? If not, you have to let them do their eval before you > can > request an IEE. Generally, the IEE evaluator will use different assessment > tools than the district used because you can't retest too soon with the > same > tools or the eval may be invalid. For example, if the district used WISC > a > month or two ago, the IEE would have to use UNIT or Stanford Binet. The > IEE > evaluator should be sufficiently knowledgeable to determine the > appropriate > assessment tools to use to be both valid and provide information, but be > sure you tell the evaluator what has been done within the past year and > further back as well. If there are a lot of evaluation results already > available, the IEE evaluator may be able to analyze them and only redo > some > areas or not do some areas at all. You might even want to have that > analysis > done before you request an IEE to avoid unnecessary re-evaluations. A good > analysis of what the existing results mean can be more helpful sometimes > than another set of scores. > > The district has limited control of who does the IEE. Parents have a good > deal of latitude in the evaluator--so long as 1) the evaluator is > qualified > (for example, a psychologist licensed in your state would need to do IQ > testing; a speech path with state certification or licensure would need to > do any speech evals; etc.); 2) the assessment tools are valid and > appropriate for the child; 3) the cost is not outside the norms for the > evaluation given; 4) the evaluator usually needs to be in a reasonable > distance from the district--going outside state lines is risky and travel > costs are rarely reimbursable. So long as you meet those criteria--which > are about all the district can demand ( " Additional conditions or timelines > may not be imposed for obtaining an IEE at public expense " ) and which > should > all be covered in the information that the district gives you regarding > IEE > criteria, you can use any evaluator you choose, not just from the required > list the district provides. > > Be aware that the district doesn't have to pay up front for the IEE. They > can and often do wait for the results to see if any criteria have been > violated. If not, they usually reimburse you for your payment to the > provider (often required with service delivery). If the district has any > issue with your IEE not meeting the criteria, they can refuse to pay and > you > would have to take them to due process to collect. Also, if the district > asserts that it has done a fully appropriate evaluation, they can refuse > to > pay for an IEE and you have to take them to due process to prove their > evaluation was not appropriate to collect. While you are not required to > state why you don't agree with the district evaluation, it's a good idea > to > have a solid reason for your disagreement. > > Have they done an FBA? Be aware that in at least some circuits FBAs have > been determined NOT to be assessments and no IEE is available. > > Judi > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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