Soy

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Gordon,

This comes as a complete shock. If there is any food I would have

called safe and good for you it is tofu. Unfortunately, I have consumed

quite a bit lately as I am mostly vegetarian and would greatly appreciate

it if you could find out anything about quantities consumed.

Also there has been a lot of talk about genetically modified tofu (and

other grains) and non fermented soy. Do you think this may be a part

of the problem? I guess now I have to cut back on tofu, what next.

Thanks,

Dale R. Hersh

gts wrote:

Some of you may be aware of the latest controversy

over soy from the article

I posted on AAR a few weeks ago. That article has been circulated widely

on

the internet and has caused much concern.

It seems there may be some basis for the concern. According to the research,

ingestion of soy products is associated with cognitive impairment and

brain

atrophy. It's probably too soon to draw any conclusions but this is

very bad

news if it turns out to be valid, considering all the other health

benefits

of soy.

Below is more material I received on this subject...

-gts

Here are two papers Dr. White, et al., have had published:

White, L., Petrovitch, H., Ross, G.W., & Masaki K.H. (1996)

Association of mid-life consumption of tofu with late life

cognitive impairment and dementia: The Honolulu-Asia Aging

Study. The Neurobiology of Aging, 17 (suppl 4), S121.

White, L., Petrovich, H., Ross, G. W., Masaki, K. H.,

Abbot RD, et al. (1996) Prevalence of dementia in older

Japanese-American men in Hawaii. JAMA, 276, 955-960.

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More: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/References/Brain.htm

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Here's a brief review of those two papers found in a letter

to the FDA from Sheehan, PhD, Director of the Estrogen

Base Program Division of Genetic and Reproductive Toxicology,

and Doerge, PhD, Division of Biochemical Toxicology:

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On 02/18/99, Dr. Sheehan & Dr. Doerge comment on White's work

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Finally, initial data from a robust (7,000 men) long-term

(30+ years) prospective epidemiological study in Hawaii showed

that Alzheimer's disease prevalence in Hawaiian men was similar

to European-ancestry Americans and to Japanese (White, et al,

1996a). In contrast, vascular dementia prevalence is similar

in Hawaii and Japan and both are higher than in European-

ancestry Americans. This suggests that common ancestry or

environmental factors in Japan and Hawaii are responsible for

the higher prevalence of vascular dementia in these locations.

Subsequently, this same group showed a significant dose-dependent

risk (up to 2.4 fold) for development of vascular dementia and

brain atrophy from consumption of tofu, a soy product rich in

isoflavones (White, et al, 1996b). This finding is consistent

with the environmental causation suggested from the earlier

analysis, and provides evidence that soy (tofu) phytoestrogens

causes vascular dementia. Given that estrogens are

important

for maintenance of brain function in women; that the male brain

contains aromatase, the enzyme that converts testosterone to

estradiol; and that isoflavones inhibit this enzymatic activity

(Irvine, 1998), there is a mechanistic basis for the human findings.

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Full Letter: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/files/nctrpti.doc

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The following is the abstract to the recent study, which

should be published by April. Below that is a memorandum

sent out by Doctor White after the newspaper publications:

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ABSTRACT TO UPCOMING PUBLICATION OF TOFU STUDY

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Association of high midlife tofu consumption with accelerated

brain aging . Lon White, MD, MPH (From

the Pacific Health

Research Institute, Honolulu, HI.)

This investigation utilized the resources of the Honolulu

Heart Program, a longitudinal study of Japanese-American men

established in 1965 for research on heart disease and stroke.

Questions regarding frequency of consumption of tofu and 26

other foods were asked at interviews in 1965-67 and again

in 1971-74. Cognitive testing was done (n=3734) and cases

of dementia identified (n=225) at the 1991-93 examination,

when participants were aged 71-93 years. Atrophy was assessed

by neuroimaging (n=574) or autopsy (n=290). Cognitive test

data were also analyzed for wives of a sample of study

participants (n=502) who had been living with the participants

when their dietary interviews were done. Poor cognitive test

performance in late life was associated with higher midlife

tofu consumption. An independent association of similar

magnitude and direction was apparent among wives of cohort

members, using the husband's answers as proxy for the wife's

consumption. Midlife tofu consumption was independently

associated with low brain weight and with ventricular

enlargement. Independent associations of more frequent

midlife tofu consumption with clinically diagnosed Alzheimer's

disease and with poor cognitive functioning among non-demented

subjects were demonstrated. Associations generally followed

a dose-response pattern, were statistically significant after

controlling for all relevant and potentially confounding

factors, and remained apparent after stratifying for age or

obesity. These data suggest that regular consumption of tofu

over many years in middle life may have an adverse influence

on brain aging manifest as accelerated atrophy, cognitive

decline, and a lowering of the threshold for the clinical

manifestations of Alzheimer's disease. We speculate that

these may reflect chronic sub-optimal neuronal plasticity

caused by isoflavone inhibition of tyrosine kinase activity

and/or by interference with estrogen-related mechanisms.

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Dale,

> This comes as a complete shock. If there is any food I would have called

> safe and good for you it is tofu.

Yes the soy thing is very alarming. Just when you thought you had steered

clear of glutamine, along comes demon soy! I don't eat soy very often so

I'm not personally worried about it, but I do have a large container of soy

protein powder on top of the refrigerator which is likely now never to be

consumed.

This is a good lesson in the wisdom of a paleolithic diet, by the way. It

takes agricultural technology to make soy a part of the diet, so we can be

sure that paleolithic " cavemen " did not eat soy. And if they did not eat soy

then it's unlikely that we can be adapted to it genetically.

> Unfortunately, I have consumed quite a bit lately

> as I am mostly vegetarian and would greatly appreciate it if you could

find out

> anything about quantities consumed.

Well, in one of the studies you can see that they found a " dose-dependent "

risk:

" this same group showed a significant dose-dependent risk (up to 2.4 fold)

for development of vascular dementia and brain atrophy from consumption of

tofu "

This means that the more tofu these people ate during their lives, the more

likely they were to have developed vascular dementia in old age, and the

smaller their brains were. This would imply that a little bit of soy makes

your brain a little bit smaller and that a lot of soy makes your brain a lot

smaller.

It was a big epidemiological study of 7,000 men, so the data is quite

convincing assuming the researchers were honest and accurate in their work.

> Also there has been a lot of talk about genetically modified tofu (and

other

> grains) and non fermented soy. Do you think this may be a part of the

problem?

I don't know about anything about the issues surrounding genetically

modified tofu. In any case this study was about real people who ate soy over

their real life-times, so we can we can be pretty sure it was not

genetically modified. I've heard about the issues concerning non-fermented

soy. I don't think they are relevant here but they could be.

If these studies are confirmed then I would hate to be the person at Archer

s Midland in charge of the Novasoy product. ADM has invested a lot of

money into developing and promoting Novasoy.

-gts

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Dale,

reading my own message, I see that I wrote:

> This means that the more tofu these people ate during their lives, the

more

> likely they were to have developed vascular dementia in old age, and the

> smaller their brains were. This would imply that a little bit of soy makes

> your brain a little bit smaller and that a lot of soy makes your brain a

lot

> smaller.

I don't know if what I wrote here is exactly true. It may be that only the

*risk* of brain atrophy is correlated to the quantity of tofu consumed and

that the severity of the resulting brain atrophy is not correlated to the

quantity consumed. I'd have to look closer at the study to know for sure.

But it's bad either way, if true.

-gts

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the best research and insight finds elements in the soybean that are counter

to human health, these same components in soy are inactivated by fermentation,

so tempeh, true soy sauce and true miso are very viable useful/healthful

foods

....to your WELLth!

mikk

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Soy

> Can someone tell me who soy-based are not good for you? I found nothing

> about it when searching the archives.

>

> GypsyRose

Websites with articles concerning the dangers of soy:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/16/soy%20_protein%20_unhealthy.htm

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soya.html

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/vegemyths2.html

http://www.theparrotsocietyuk.org/article15.htm

http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/220903/soy.htm

http://www.doclocke.com/index.htm

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/302poison.jsp

http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html

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Also see the site and new book:

http://www.wholesoystory.com/

> Can someone tell me who soy-based are not good for you? I found

nothing

> about it when searching the archives.

>

> GypsyRose

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> > Can someone tell me who soy-based are not good for you? I found

> > nothing about it when searching the archives.

> >

> > GypsyRose

>

>

> Websites with articles concerning the dangers of soy:

I'm against using more than 2 tablespoons of soy per day but...

Allow me to clarify that not ALL soy-based foods or supplements carry

dangers; the offending substances in Soy are absent when something of

pharmacuetical quality is isolated from the raw material.

For example, the pharmaceutically pure free form amino acids produced

for SomaLife gHP (HGH increasers) have no traces of hormones etc,

which would be seen by definition as impurities. (But there are only

two or possibly three factories that can render this degree of

purity.)

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Duncan Crow

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>

> Maybe the only foodstuff that does have some evidence suggesting a

> preventive anticancer effect is soy products. Its ***antiestrogenic***

> properties might protect against prostate cancer in men and against

> breast cancer in women, especially in premenstrual women, Dr. Willet

> noted. " But this is not yet in the category of convincing — it's

> possible, " he said.

>

Soy = ANTIestrogen?

can anyone provide peer-reviewed links to substantiate that? in the last couple

of years i've taken to avoiding all soy products based on claims that soy

isoflavones are phytoestrogenic and can also disrupt thyroid function...and then

there those news articles last year on the guy who effectively became

hypogonadal by drinking 3 quarts of soymilk per day.

isoflavones and lignans both have substantial bodies of materials online for and

against (they are/are not phytoestrogenic...phytoestrogens are/are not good for

men/women...phytoestrogens raise/lower testosterone....phytoestrogens

balance/disrupt the endocrine system)

i'm very curious to know something solid and reliable about soy, and flax and

chia for that matter. wikipedia is fairly confusing here, fo example.

Jeton

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Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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I totally agree. Thanks for bringing this up and providing these references. The myth that soy is a healthy alternative to anything is on par with the so many other dietary myths that are propagated by seemingly intelligent health practitioners that have failed to use their brains. The monstrously powerful agri corporations are continually trying to feed us crap made from soy, corn, and wheat. I grew up on a cattle ranch and we had a feedlot. Vital healthy animals were put on a diet of corn and grain and they quickly got fat and sick. Any they have the ability to digest all kinds of stuff that we can't. Domby D.C. DIBAKPO Box 1108Scappoose, Oregon, USA97056phone 503 543-3195 RE: Soy

Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

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Would just like to point out the fact that billions of Asians, for hundreds

of years have consumed soy. The longest lived people

on earth are the Okinawans who eat more soy than

anyone on earthcmathdc@...CC: From: gmddc@...Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:05:10 +0000Subject: Re: RE: Soy

I totally agree. Thanks for bringing this up and providing these references. The myth that soy is a healthy alternative to anything is on par with the so many other dietary myths that are propagated by seemingly intelligent health practitioners that have failed to use their brains. The monstrously powerful agri corporations are continually trying to feed us crap made from soy, corn, and wheat. I grew up on a cattle ranch and we had a feedlot. Vital healthy animals were put on a diet of corn and grain and they quickly got fat and sick. Any they have the ability to digest all kinds of stuff that we can't. Domby D.C. DIBAKPO Box 1108Scappoose, Oregon, USA97056phone 503 543-3195 RE: Soy

Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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That's what makes it such a conundrum for me .... and then the esoteric questions come up: is that because they are on the other side of the earth, the old left circulation vs right circulation (magnetic), could that effect metabolism to that degree? does the initial diet one grows on as an infant/child 'program' one to prefer or thrive best on that type of food later in life? My logic gives me one set of answers and my scientific mind - with its lack of evidece - gives me another along with more questions.

It's a puzzlement! (can't cha see Yul Brynner stamping his foot with his arms across his chest?!) (Or does that REALLY date me?!;'-)

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From: alansmithdc@...Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:44:05 -0600Subject: RE: RE: Soy

Would just like to point out the fact that billions of Asians, for hundreds

of years have consumed soy. The longest lived people

on earth are the Okinawans who eat more soy than

anyone on earth

cmathdcjeffnet (DOT) orgCC: From: gmddccomcast (DOT) netDate: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:05:10 +0000Subject: Re: RE: Soy

I totally agree. Thanks for bringing this up and providing these references. The myth that soy is a healthy alternative to anything is on par with the so many other dietary myths that are propagated by seemingly intelligent health practitioners that have failed to use their brains. The monstrously powerful agri corporations are continually trying to feed us crap made from soy, corn, and wheat. I grew up on a cattle ranch and we had a feedlot. Vital healthy animals were put on a diet of corn and grain and they quickly got fat and sick. Any they have the ability to digest all kinds of stuff that we can't. Domby D.C. DIBAKPO Box 1108Scappoose, Oregon, USA97056phone 503 543-3195 RE: Soy

Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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On the other hand, there's a company called Metagenics that uses soy in many of their medical foods. They have their share of references to show that the soy they use is safe and hypoallergenic. And non- GMO.Terry Petty , D.C.cmathdc@...CC: From: gmddc@...Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:05:10 +0000Subject: Re: RE: Soy

I totally agree. Thanks for bringing this up and providing these references. The myth that soy is a healthy alternative to anything is on par with the so many other dietary myths that are propagated by seemingly intelligent health practitioners that have failed to use their brains. The monstrously powerful agri corporations are continually trying to feed us crap made from soy, corn, and wheat. I grew up on a cattle ranch and we had a feedlot. Vital healthy animals were put on a diet of corn and grain and they quickly got fat and sick. Any they have the ability to digest all kinds of stuff that we can't. Domby D.C. DIBAKPO Box 1108Scappoose, Oregon, USA97056phone 503 543-3195

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hello, there is probably as much documentation for the benefits of soy as there are against it. by the way, the estrgen in soy is not the same estrogen in the human and therfore does not have the same position physiologically. I wonder how many Asians are gay compared to the West. john partmann,dc coos bay

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Hi Alan,

When I first looked into soy, I was also surprised that a food that was so good for Asians could be so bad for us. There are arguments that soy is the reason Asians have lower rates of breast, prostate and colon cancer, simply because Asians supposedly eat large amounts of soy. Soy consumption in Asia is actually much lower than claimed, averaging 10 grams per person, less than two teaspoons. A 1998 study by Nagata published in the Journal of Nutrition gives daily consumption of tofu in Japan as less than 1 gram per day. About two tablespoons!

Fermented soy is good for you: miso, tempeh, tamari and natto. The use of miso soup and natto may be a reason for excellent health. But as a historical note, unfermented soybeans were considered the "fifth sacred grain" by the ancient Chinese. Not because they ate it -- they didn't. It was sacred as a nitrogen additive to the soil for the other grains. Only in times of extreme crop failure (Recommend Pearl Buck's The Good Earth) would they eat soy, and grass and dirt.

Asian soy may indeed be different from western soy. In this country, soybeans are grown on huge corporate farms, most of which use toxic pesticides and herbicides and a majority of soy foods (90% + of US soy crops) come from genetically engineered plants. The promotion of soy as a miracle food is right in line with the doctrine of the food industry—that imitation foods are as good as natural foods.

Please read Dr. 's book and get a deeper perspective on this intriguing issue.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

Certified Clinician in Whole Food Nutrition

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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RE: Soy

Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdcjeffnet (DOT) org

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Excellent response! This is what I was trying to say a few days ago, but you did a much better job. Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724 ; alansmithdc@...From: cmathdc@...Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:17:01 -0700Subject: Re: RE: Soy

Hi Alan,

When I first looked into soy, I was also surprised that a food that was so good for Asians could be so bad for us. There are arguments that soy is the reason Asians have lower rates of breast, prostate and colon cancer, simply because Asians supposedly eat large amounts of soy. Soy consumption in Asia is actually much lower than claimed, averaging 10 grams per person, less than two teaspoons. A 1998 study by Nagata published in the Journal of Nutrition gives daily consumption of tofu in Japan as less than 1 gram per day. About two tablespoons!

Fermented soy is good for you: miso, tempeh, tamari and natto. The use of miso soup and natto may be a reason for excellent health. But as a historical note, unfermented soybeans were considered the "fifth sacred grain" by the ancient Chinese. Not because they ate it -- they didn't. It was sacred as a nitrogen additive to the soil for the other grains. Only in times of extreme crop failure (Recommend Pearl Buck's The Good Earth) would they eat soy, and grass and dirt.

Asian soy may indeed be different from western soy. In this country, soybeans are grown on huge corporate farms, most of which use toxic pesticides and herbicides and a majority of soy foods (90% + of US soy crops) come from genetically engineered plants. The promotion of soy as a miracle food is right in line with the doctrine of the food industry—that imitation foods are as good as natural foods.

Please read Dr. 's book and get a deeper perspective on this intriguing issue.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

Certified Clinician in Whole Food Nutrition

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

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RE: Soy

Why do I hate Soy? Let me count the ways:

lIn 1996, researchers found that women consuming soy protein isolate had an increased incidence of epithelial hyperplasia, a condition that prestages malignancies.

–Petrakis, N.L. et al.,"Stimulatory influence of soy protein isolate on breast secretion in pre- and post-menopausal women", Cancer Epid. Bio. Prev. (1996) 5:785-794.

lA year later, dietary genistein was found to stimulate breast cells to enter the cell cycle - a discovery that led the study authors to conclude that women should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer.

–Dees, C. et al., "Dietary estrogens stimulate human breast cells to enter the cell cycle", Environmental Health Perspectives (1997) 105(Suppl. 3):633-636.

lThe process by which soy proteins are extracted from the whole bean often requires dangerous chemicals, and hazardous substances can find their way into factory-produced soymilk.

lSoy also contains a human carcinogen created during the manufacture of soy sauce and hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP). It is also present in soy sausages and other imitation foods.

lSoy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

lIn 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.

–Divi, R.L. et al., "Anti-thyroid isoflavones from the soybean", Biochemical Pharmacology (1997) 54:1087-1096.

A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition further confirming that soy-protein supplementation stimulates cell proliferation in human breast tissue. A Japanese study published in the journal Cancer Causes and Control showed that Asians on a high soy diet did not have a lower incidence of breast cancer.

lFor an excellent resource on Soy, Madison Avenue and the food industry please read: The Whole Soy Story, by Dr. Kaayla T. , New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2007.

Christian Mathisen, DC, CCWFN

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdcjeffnet (DOT) org

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[Guest guest]

With the discussion on tofu, I feel compelled to share what I just recently

watched in the past week. I thought this was very informative on what soy to

avoid, and what to eat:

[Guest guest]

Dr. Beliveau (a renowned cancer doc from Montreal, and author of ``Foods That Fight Cancer``) recommends the following (taken from the Canadian Living piece that comes up on the web when `Foods That Fight Cancer`` is googled:

 The key to benefiting from the anti-cancer effects of soy lies in consuming about 50 gms per day of the whole food, such as raw (edemame) or dry roasted soybeans.  Supplements containing isoflavones are not an acceptable alternative to the whole food and should be avoided.

 I have also heard him say that soy milk is not an effective anti-cancer drink. brian in toronto

[Guest guest]

Dr. Beliveau (a renowned cancer doc from Montreal, and author of ``Foods That Fight Cancer``) recommends the following (taken from the Canadian Living piece that comes up on the web when `Foods That Fight Cancer`` is googled:

 The key to benefiting from the anti-cancer effects of soy lies in consuming about 50 gms per day of the whole food, such as raw (edemame) or dry roasted soybeans.  Supplements containing isoflavones are not an acceptable alternative to the whole food and should be avoided.

 I have also heard him say that soy milk is not an effective anti-cancer drink. brian in toronto