wine?

[Guest guest]

There are also very good biodynamic wines, which are also organic.

Many come out of CA and OR, but there is a new one in Illinois.

Janice

>

> For those of you interested in organic wine...

>

> I found 7 different makers of organic wine at Westside Liquor in

St

> Cloud. I am sure they have more but I was in a time

> pinch. Most were from the oregon region. They ranged in price from

> $8.99 to $21.00. Just to give a couple names, incase you have

search,

> Frey and Badger are the ones that I have purchased and liked. They

> both cover the specturm from light fruity white to rich red.

>

> Heidi

>

[Guest guest]

A few months ago, the Green Guide did a review of a bunch of organic

wines. Most of them can be purchased online through their makers or

distributors.

I too have seen organic wine in St Cloud. I think Frey Vineyard was

the only one we found, just at a regular (big) liquor store. We

didn't like Frey at all.

I don't know how to use Green Guide to see their old reviews, but I

remember it did have a lot of links, so if you can navigate the Green

Guide website, you might find some good resources and links.

Emilie

[Guest guest]

vino is a stimulant, not really a good thing for VT From: Sydney

<autumn_moon1@...>Subject: Wine? Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:52 PM

Hi everyone,

I have VT and I have an ICD and I take Sotalol 120mg twice daily. I have been cautioned not to drink wine, but I never asked my cardiologist why. Does it react with the meds or does it affect the heart rhythm? I miss a glass of wine now and then. Does anyone else have this problem?



Sydney

[Guest guest]

Oh, I should have known it was a stimulant.

Thanks

-- Wine? Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:52 PM

Hi everyone,

I have VT and I have an ICD and I take Sotalol 120mg twice daily. I have been cautioned not to drink wine, but I never asked my cardiologist why. Does it react with the meds or does it affect the heart rhythm? I miss a glass of wine now and then. Does anyone else have this problem?



Sydney

[Guest guest]

On May 11, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Sydney wrote:

>

>

> Oh, I should have known it was a stimulant.

>

Wine is NOT a stimulant. It's a depressive. Nevertheless, some people

apparently experience troubles with VT, PVCs and the like when they

drink. My own theory is that it's a blood sugar issue. But alcohol is

NOT a stimulant.

Lynn S.

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Thanks Lynn, I too was 'stimulated' by the spuriousness of the notion that alcohol is a stimulant.

Anyway, having been a person who was not apt to stop at one or two drinks, I can vouch for the increased

risk of arrhythmia, posed by boozing. In the years before I was diagnosed/treated, I found the effect most

apparent when I would 'come to' in the middle of the night, no longer experiencing the drunken euphoria that

masks unpleasant physical sensations, but clearly still somewhat drunk, and in need of the toilet. By the time

I'd walked upstairs to the bathroom I'd often be feeling so weak and faint that I had to lie down on the bathroom

floor for a while to recover.

I read somewhere (years ago - can't remember where it was) that people with SADS double their risk by

drinking alcohol at all, irrespective of the amount. Of course, we all know that drinking loads is harmful/risky

for everybody. Personally I consider that as a well-informed adult who doesn't put others at risk by, eg.,

drink-driving, I have a perfect right to get banjaxxed if and when I want to. Sadly, I do find that, being now

rather old, it no longer gives me the pleasure it used to.

Leonie.

PS. Yes, the yo-yo-ing blood sugar is a possibility, but my money would be on electrolytes. Drinking does terrible

things to your Na/K balance and that's crucial to cardiac rhythm (along with all nerve function).

> > From: lynn@...> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 19:24:16 -0700> Subject: Re: Wine?> > > On May 11, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Sydney wrote:> > >> >> > Oh, I should have known it was a stimulant.> >> > Wine is NOT a stimulant. It's a depressive. Nevertheless, some people > apparently experience troubles with VT, PVCs and the like when they > drink. My own theory is that it's a blood sugar issue. But alcohol is > NOT a stimulant.> > Lynn S.> Get a new e-mail account with Hotmail - Free. Sign-up now.

[Guest guest]

Hi all am doing fine since my new ,second ICD now, My

cardio doc always said a glas of wine would be ok but to limit it to one or two and no more. a couple of times a week. well i hardly ever drink anymore so guess i cant really say what is good for one or not, well all have to make our own decisions on that. Oh did want tomention that when i had my new CID put in and then found out that there is a kink in one of the leads, that has got me alittle concerned, but have been told everything is ok. I wonder. any thoughts on that?? take care and God Bless all. in Az

[Guest guest]

Good to hear you're doing welll . I am getting my 3rd ICD on may 27th, which is ironically my 1st year anniversary of quitting smoking. This time I am getting Medtronic 3 lead. Anyone has any experience with that one?Kind regards,TURKFrom: <shadow061@...> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 10:07:22 AMSubject:

wine?

Hi all am doing fine since my new ,second ICD now, My

cardio doc always said a glas of wine would be ok but to limit it to one or two and no more. a couple of times a week. well i hardly ever drink anymore so guess i cant really say what is good for one or not, well all have to make our own decisions on that. Oh did want tomention that when i had my new CID put in and then found out that there is a kink in one of the leads, that has got me alittle concerned, but have been told everything is ok. I wonder. any thoughts on that?? take care and God Bless all. in Az

[Guest guest]

My husband has a 3 lead Medtronic Concerto that was implanted in July, 2007. He does have at least one recalled lead, but so far everything has been working very well. He has not been shocked, but is being paced 90-95% of the time. He has CHF and dilated cardiomyopathy.

Good luck,

Bonnie

From: Gurhan Ozdemir <goturk1@...>Subject: Re: wine? Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:34 AM

Good to hear you're doing welll . I am getting my 3rd ICD on may 27th, which is ironically my 1st year anniversary of quitting smoking. This time I am getting Medtronic 3 lead. Anyone has any experience with that one?Kind regards,TURK

From: <shadow061 (DOT) com>@groups .comSent: Wed, May 12, 2010 10:07:22 AMSubject: wine?

Hi all am doing fine since my new ,second ICD now, My cardio doc always said a glas of wine would be ok but to limit it to one or two and no more. a couple of times a week. well i hardly ever drink anymore so guess i cant really say what is good for one or not, well all have to make our own decisions on that. Oh did want tomention that when i had my new CID put in and then found out that there is a kink in one of the leads, that has got me alittle concerned, but have been told everything is ok. I wonder. any thoughts on that?? take care and God Bless all. in Az

[Guest guest]

> PS. Yes, the yo-yo-ing blood sugar is a possibility, but my money

> would be on electrolytes. Drinking does terrible

> things to your Na/K balance and that's crucial to cardiac rhythm

> (along with all nerve function).

That makes a great deal of sense. I know that more than one drink, and

that spread out over an hour or so, does not sit well with me.

Lynn S.

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thats because wine is made with grapes and while on amiodrone your not supposed to have grapes

From: <tericam4778@...>Subject: Re:Wine? Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

Thank Teri. My reactions are not as extreme as yours. I enjoy a little wine now and then and I am now aware of what the consequences might be.

Have a wonderful weekend.

Sydney

-- Re:Wine?

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

I knew about Grape-Fruit but did not know grapes. This is what I found

Grape seed proanthocyanidins have been reported to possess a broad spectrum of pharmacological and medicinal properties against oxidative stress including amiodarone-induced pulmonary toxicity. These results demonstrate that Grape seed proanthocyanidins are highly bioavailable and may serve as a potential therapeutic tool in protecting multiple target organs from structurally diverse drug- and chemical-induced toxicity.- Ann N Y Acad Sci 2002 May;957:260-70 -- Cellular protection with proanthocyanidins derived from grape seeds. -- Bagchi D, Bagchi M, Stohs S, Ray SD, Sen CK, Preuss HG.

I am on Amiodarone and i drink a glass of wine almost everyday. I wasw never told but i will ask my doctor about it today. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Kind regards,

TURK

From: LIghtingpaw <lightingpaw@...> Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:32:52 PMSubject: Re: Re:Wine?

thats because wine is made with grapes and while on amiodrone your not supposed to have grapes

From: <tericam4778@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re:Wine?@groups .comDate: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

read in your info fromt he pharmicey with your meds it says to avoid grapes and grapefruit juice ectectect ! defently ask doctor i asked mine and was todl to avoid grapes

From: <tericam4778@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re:Wine?@groups .comDate: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

Amiodarone

Also indexed as: Cordarone, Pacerone

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Introduction

Interactions

summary

Vitamin

interactions

Food

interactions

References

Amiodarone is a drug occasionally used to treat life-threatening arrhythmias

of the heart.

Summary

of Interactions with Vitamins, Herbs, and Foods

In some cases, an herb or supplement may appear in more than one category, which may seem contradictory. For clarification, read the full

article for details about the summarized interactions.

May be Beneficial: Side effect

reduction/prevention—Taking these supplements may help reduce the likelihood and/or severity of a potential side effect caused by the medication.

Vitamin E

Avoid: Adverse interaction—Avoid

these supplements when taking this medication because taking them together may cause undesirable or dangerous results.

Grapefruit juice

Pomegranate juice*

Depletion or interference

None known

Supportive interaction

None known

Reduced drug absorption/bioavailability

None known

An asterisk (*) next to an item in the summary indicates that the interaction is supported only by weak, fragmentary, and/or contradictory scientific evidence.

Interactions with Dietary Supplements

Vitamin

E

Test tube research on human lung tissue suggests that vitamin E might reduce lung toxicity caused by amiodarone.1 More research is needed to further investigate this possibility.

Interactions with Foods and Other Compounds

Grapefruit

juice

In one controlled study, drinking grapefruit juice while taking amiodarone dramatically increased blood levels of the drug.2 Consequently, people taking amiodarone should avoid drinking grapefruit

juice (and eating grapefruit) to prevent potentially serious side effects.

Pomegranate

juice

Pomegranate juice has been shown to inhibit the same enzyme that is inhibited by grapefruit

juice.3 4 The degree of inhibition is about the same for each of these juices. Therefore, it would be reasonable to expect that pomegranate juice might interact with amiodarone in the same

way that grapefruit juice does.

Re:Wine?

@groups .com

Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

2 different sites and nothing is being said about grapes. of course this one says nothing about pomegranate juice either. i have to wonder why.

i didn't know that it effects your thinking and reactions either..........

evie

What should I avoid while taking amiodarone (Cordarone, Pacerone)?

Amiodarone can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert.

Grapefruit and grapefruit juice may interact with amiodarone and lead

to potentially dangerous effects. Discuss the use of grapefruit products with your doctor. Do not increase or decrease the amount of grapefruit products in your diet without first talking to your doctor.

Avoid exposure to sunlight or artificial UV rays (sunlamps or tanning

beds). Amiodarone can make your skin more sensitive to sunlight and sunburn

may result. Use a sunscreen (minimum SPF 15) and wear protective clothing if you must be out in the sun.

Re:Wine?

@groups .com

Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

To Sydney and others,

In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD. I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not willing to risk a run of VT.

Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

Teri

[Guest guest]

Once in awhile I'll push my luck and have a glass of port. It geneally causes me

to flush and feel funny but it sure tastes good ~smiling~

Bonnie York, I used to have cardiomyopathy but it went away over a period of two

years. Not sure what caused it but am exceedingly greatful. I have been taking

2gms salmon oil which equals about 1gm omega3 and CoQ10 200 mg. I believe these

suppliments have had alot to do with my heart health, which I'm told is good all

things considered. I'm deffinatly too healthy to be considered for stem cell

research.

My doctor recently recmmended taking a Vit D suppliment. She says it's a fad

right now but on the other hand the effects are statistically significant

especially for heart patients. Personally, the drugs and our conditions preclude

us from getting out in the sun and making our own vit D so it makes sense. She

recommended it to me primarily as a mood stabilizer but researching it suggests

it might be good for alot of things. Anyone interested in taking any of these

suppliments should speak with their physicians before adding them to your

repitoire of pills.

This is my check in!

Love and hugs to everyone here including the significant others who endure our

illness with us.

Bonnie

>

>

> From: <tericam4778@ sbcglobal. net>

> Subject: Re:Wine?

> @groups .com

> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM

>

>

>

>

> To Sydney and others,

>

> In reply to your query about the wine, I can add this. I have VT and an ICD.

I don’t take your medication, but I do take Amiodarone. I wasn’t told not

to drink; however, I’ve found that I can’t tolerate it anymore. One sip of

red wine makes me weak and feel like I’ll go into VT in a very scary way. It

also sends a rush of heat to my head. I can tolerate a tiny amount of white

wine, and I do mean tiny, about an ounce taken in even smaller sips, and then I

begin to feel symptoms similar to the red wine. It’s odd, and even harder to

describe effectively. If I try to take any more, it’s as though my throat

refuses to swallow it. I never think to ask my EP about it, because I’m not

willing to risk a run of VT.

>

> Your situation may be different, but I just thought I’d share this.

>

> Teri

>