Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

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I'll need to get it out and start using it regularly to see how long it lasts then. If/when it breaks I can get a Champion which I know my local organic shop sells!

Niki GloverCentral Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 11:21, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

The complaints seemed to come from folks who used theirs on a regular

basis.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've had it a few years now, but we don't use it that much. It's the

Breville Ikon centrifugal juicer. Hubby used to use it every day to

make a juice for breakfast, and it worked great, and when he pulled it

out to make a marinade with lime juice for our Christmas prawns, it was

still working really well. I think if we were using it every day it

might have conked out by now, but so far so good.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:59, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

How long have you had yours, Niki? Because I read complaints of them

breaking down.

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It is way more than a good thing, it is priceless!Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 11:28, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

And it's also a good thing friends with experience in such matters can

offer advice. )

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

It's easy to be put off a brand name when you have had more than 1 bad

experience. Thankfully there are other excellent brands with good

reputations (albeit dearer) for the gadget divas among us!

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

[Guest guest]

YES!! Like VITAMIX!!From: Niki Glover <niki@...>Subject: Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:21 PM

It's easy to be put off a brand name when you have had more than 1 bad experience. Thankfully there are other excellent brands with good reputations (albeit dearer) for the gadget divas among us!

Niki GloverCentral Coast, NSW, Australia

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[Guest guest]

Champions are EXCELLENT all-around juicers although they don't do well

with greens on their own. They make very rich juice and if you just put

a nut milk bag over the container you're using to catch the pulp, you

can squeeze it when you're done to get more yield. The screen's not fun

to clean, though.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've had it a few years now, but we don't use it that much. It's the

Breville Ikon centrifugal juicer. Hubby used to use it every day to

make a juice for breakfast, and it worked great, and when he pulled it

out to make a marinade with lime juice for our Christmas prawns, it was

still working really well. I think if we were using it every day it

might have conked out by now, but so far so good.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:59, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

How long have you had yours, Niki? Because I read complaints of them

breaking down.

[Guest guest]

karen do you know if norwalk sells refurb products at better pricing?  pamOn Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

The complaints seemed to come from folks who used theirs on a regular

basis.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

also which is easier to clean a norwalk or a champion??On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:42 PM, ~~ <ahcor4@...> wrote:

karen do you know if norwalk sells refurb products at better pricing?  

pamOn Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

The complaints seemed to come from folks who used theirs on a regular

basis.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

Shouldn't be a difference.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 11:51:12 -0500, Scaler <only1azz@...> wrote:

> What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion

> vs Norwalk?

>

> Neva been More ready!

>

--

Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

My pulp was always fairly dry. I couldn't squeeze any juice out of it.

Sometimes I'd put the pulp into recipes.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:10:14 -0500, Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>

wrote:

> I don't know how much juice is left behind in the pulp of a Jack La

> Lanne. The Champion is semi dry. The Norwalk pulp must be bone dry

> because of all of the pressure in the hydraulic press.

>

> will pipe in soon I'm sure - she is the Juice Queen.

>

> The difference will relate to how much juice is squeezed out of that

> pulp because according to , the minerals cling to the pulp the most

> and are only squeezed out in significant amounts by the Norwalk.

>

> Blessings,

> Lea Ann Savage

> Satellite Beach, FL

> (321) 773-7088 (home)

> (321-961-9219 (cell)

> www.VitamixLady.com

> www..com

> <))><

>

> On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Scaler wrote:

>

>>

>> What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion

>> vs Norwalk?

>>

>> Neva been More ready!

>>

>>

>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Mom2_five <mom2_five@...> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks for the input - I have a Jack LaLanne juicer, because it was a

>>> gift when my sister purchased something else. I'll look into a used

>>> Champion - and who knows, maybe we'll work our way up to a Norwalk one

>>> day I'd definately check out the forum when it's operative.

>>>

>>> Deb

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> From: <kareningotham@...>

>>> Subject: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

>>>

>>> Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:42 AM

>>>

>>>

>>> Oh, geez--ANYTHING would be better than that unless you don't keep up

>>> with it.

>>> I hate to repeat what I've already posted but I've been juicing

>>> seriously since 1988. Now that that's out of the way, until 2009, I

>>> only used a Champion which, to my way of thinking (and to Norwalk's) is

>>> second only to the Norwalk for all-around juicing. However, if you find

>>> yourself using a Jack LaLanne but not a Champion, that's the way to go

>>> because a juicer--like any appliance--is only good if you use it....

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

--

Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

They used to sell refurbs with warranties (although my understanding is

that not all of them had full 12-year warranties) but they just can't

keep up with the demand for new machines and have had to put the

refurbs on the back burner. I know they hope to be able to offer them

again. In the meantime, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, be tempted to

buy a machine from a jerk in California with the handle " developtrust. "

This individual is a MONSTER who, weirdly enough, is fixated on the

Norwalk. He bothered the crew at the factory so much (pestering them to

make him a sales rep, sell him parts, etc.) that they had to install

Caller ID to avoid his calls. He finds used juicers for sale and

attempts to lowball sellers by claiming he wants them " for cancer

sufferers, " after which he lists them for sale for a lot of money.

Norwalk warranties aren't transferable so he offers " his own. " He

refurbishes the machines, often replacing the pumps (with ones that

aren't as good as Norwalk's because their supplier only supplies

Norwalk) and tries to convince potential buyers that unless they buy

one of his offerings, the chances of getting a lemon are high. This

isn't so, believe me.

He was thrown off the Norwalk forum at least three times (new handle

each time but we all caught on--you are what you are and he's very

recognizable) and has a habit of trying to gaslight people. AVOID THIS

JERK LIKE THE PLAGUE.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ\

330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3\

DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmo\

d%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

will pipe in soon, but the way the Norwalk ruptures the cell walls combined with the hydraulic press makes it the Rolls Royce of Juicers. It gets lots more nutrients out.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Steve Spence wrote:My pulp was always fairly dry. I couldn't squeeze any juice out of it. Sometimes I'd put the pulp into recipes.On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:10:14 -0500, Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...> wrote:I don't know how much juice is left behind in the pulp of a Jack La Lanne. The Champion is semi dry. The Norwalk pulp must be bone dry because of all of the pressure in the hydraulic press. will pipe in soon I'm sure - she is the Juice Queen.The difference will relate to how much juice is squeezed out of that pulp because according to , the minerals cling to the pulp the most and are only squeezed out in significant amounts by the Norwalk.Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><On'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Scaler wrote:What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion vs Norwalk?Neva been More ready!On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Mom2_five <mom2_five@...> wrote:Thanks for the input - I have a Jack LaLanne juicer, because it was a gift when my sister purchased something else. I'll look into a used Champion - and who knows, maybe we'll work our way up to a Norwalk one day I'd definately check out the forum when it's operative.DebFrom: <kareningotham@...>Subject: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:42 AMOh, geez--ANYTHING would be better than that unless you don't keep upwith it. :OI hate to repeat what I've already posted but I've been juicingseriously since 1988. Now that that's out of the way, until 2009, Ionly used a Champion which, to my way of thinking (and to Norwalk's) issecond only to the Norwalk for all-around juicing. However, if you findyourself using a Jack LaLanne but not a Champion, that's the way to gobecause a juicer--like any appliance--is only good if you use it....-- Steve SpenceRenewable energy and self sufficiencyhttp://www.green-trust.orghttp://arduinotronics.blogspot.com------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Weirdly enough, the Norwalk. For one thing, it uses grids, not screens and because the holes are a lot bigger than a screen's they rinse off in a flash--NO scrubbing. You just need to break it down, rinse it, and use a sponge to wipe off the machine behind the housing. The video clips showing how easy it is to clean are accurate but be aware that the components are very heavy (the assembled machine weighs about 65 lbs.). The pressing media are more problematic--you need to rinse them off right away and store them (wet but I press mine first) in the freezer between uses.

No matter how you slice it (yuk yuk), juicing is work and more so than making a smoothie. You really need to carefully prep your produce and you need to peel root veggies. If you're serious about juicing and know you're going to stick with it in spite of the work, it's worth it to invest in the one that's going to give you the best payoff for all that effort in terms of yields and flavor. That's why I finally bought my Norwalk, even though I really couldn't afford it.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

omg karen ..i was just about to ask you if you knew this guy.  his ebay ad sounds quite convincing.  he has utube videos and extensive warranties.  i really thought he was sounding decent.  that makes me sad b/c he appeals to many people i am sure.   so i should ignore his reference that most norwalk juicers require some for of refurbing (the used ones) ?

pamOn Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

They used to sell refurbs with warranties (although my understanding is

that not all of them had full 12-year warranties) but they just can't

keep up with the demand for new machines and have had to put the

refurbs on the back burner. I know they hope to be able to offer them

again. In the meantime, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, be tempted to

buy a machine from a jerk in California with the handle " developtrust. "

This individual is a MONSTER who, weirdly enough, is fixated on the

Norwalk. He bothered the crew at the factory so much (pestering them to

make him a sales rep, sell him parts, etc.) that they had to install

Caller ID to avoid his calls. He finds used juicers for sale and

attempts to lowball sellers by claiming he wants them " for cancer

sufferers, " after which he lists them for sale for a lot of money.

Norwalk warranties aren't transferable so he offers " his own. " He

refurbishes the machines, often replacing the pumps (with ones that

aren't as good as Norwalk's because their supplier only supplies

Norwalk) and tries to convince potential buyers that unless they buy

one of his offerings, the chances of getting a lemon are high. This

isn't so, believe me.

He was thrown off the Norwalk forum at least three times (new handle

each time but we all caught on--you are what you are and he's very

recognizable) and has a habit of trying to gaslight people. AVOID THIS

JERK LIKE THE PLAGUE.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

YES! I can't tell you how many times I and other Norwalk owners (one who was one of his victims) have tried to get him banned from eBay for listing infractions. Even if you buy a used Norwalk from someone else and it should have problems, Norwalk will overhaul it for about $200 bucks with one-way shipping as long as the machine is no older than a 240. A young woman here bought a used machine and put out a call on the forum for someone to help her. I went to Brooklyn and found that the used 270 she'd been sold was a dud in awful shape internally (it broke my heart). I contacted , who oversees the factory (below Carol's husband, Mike), and he said to send it back; he later confirmed to me that it indeed needed an overhaul and that I'd made the correct call. They sharpened the cutter and overhauled the motor and pump and their juicing business is running just fine now (I gave them a proper demo after the machine came back).

dropped me an agonized e-mail at one point that said, "I can't stand it--he found me." He was referring to the fact that he'd set up a Facebook page for people interested in the Norwalk and none other than "develptrust" (aka Polowniak) had infiltrated. One REALLY sick SOB. I'm VERY proud of the fact that he threatened to sue me.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

wow.  thanks again for the feedback.  i might join the norwalk forum when it is up and running again.  im looking at champions too much more reasonable in price ...there does not seem to be anything in between the champion and the norwalk huh?  i mean from a couple of hundred bucks to a couple of thousand...what a gap.  do you recommend any particular champion model over another?  im really still in shock over that ebay guy...i mean that is pathology in action!  

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM, <kareningotham@...> wrote:

 

YES! I can't tell you how many times I and other Norwalk owners (one who was one of his victims) have tried to get him banned from eBay for listing infractions. Even if you buy a used Norwalk from someone else and it should have problems, Norwalk will overhaul it for about $200 bucks with one-way shipping as long as the machine is no older than a 240. A young woman here bought a used machine and put out a call on the forum for someone to help her. I went to Brooklyn and found that the used 270 she'd been sold was a dud in awful shape internally (it broke my heart). I contacted , who oversees the factory (below Carol's husband, Mike), and he said to send it back; he later confirmed to me that it indeed needed an overhaul and that I'd made the correct call. They sharpened the cutter and overhauled the motor and pump and their juicing business is running just fine now (I gave them a proper demo after the machine came back).

dropped me an agonized e-mail at one point that said, " I can't stand it--he found me. " He was referring to the fact that he'd set up a Facebook page for people interested in the Norwalk and none other than " develptrust " (aka Polowniak) had infiltrated. One REALLY sick SOB. I'm VERY proud of the fact that he threatened to sue me.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

 

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

 

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

Of course there is a difference. If much of the nutrition is left in the pulp, it stands to reason that a machine that gets out more of the juice is going to produce a better quality juice. > What is difference

nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion > vs Norwalk?>> Neva been More ready!>-- Steve SpenceRenewable energy and self sufficiencyhttp://www.green-trust.orghttp://arduinotronics.blogspot.com------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

My Champion is the commercial model which isn't much more than the household model (and looks identical). I recommend BLACK (not available when I bought mine). The nylon stains and looks awful pretty quickly. Stick with black.

Actually, there are a lot of Korean-made double- and single-auger juicers that sell for quite a bit more than the Champion (the fanciest one is called the Super Angel). I was very intrigued by them when the first hit the market but a lot of research, including reviews from those who own both them and a Norwalk, earned them a "nyet." The plastic ones (and they're not nylon like the Champion--they're plastic) crack, as do the gears, and customer service is lousy. In addition, they're gimmicky--the gears are magnetized so that they repel each other to maintain a proper tolerance. These fools decided to market this as "bioceramic technology"; it supposedly maintains the integrity of the juice. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer not to think of my juice in terms of its gauss value.

Re: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

We've got one of 'those Breville things' for a juicer and it's not too

bad ;-) But then I don't have an Acme or a Champion or a Norwalk to

compare it to. I'm keen to get it out again now that I have some ideas

for what to do with the pulp - I always felt it was so wasteful,

especially for organic produce.

Niki Glover

Central Coast, NSW, Australia

On 2 February 2011 10:15, & lt;kareningotham@... & gt; wrote:

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

I agree about buying black, if possible. My white one is quite stained from carrot and beet juice.

Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

.. As Joyce can verify, these are terrific juicers and a lot cheaper

than those Breville things that get lots of bad reviews on Amazon.

[Guest guest]

The pulp on my JL was very dry, so therefore I should be getting a very

nutritious juice. I try to use the pulp in breads and cookies.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:43:06 -0500, Berry <berrywell@...>

wrote:

> Of course there is a difference. If much of the nutrition is left in

> the pulp, it stands to reason that a machine that gets out more of the

> juice is going to produce a better quality juice.

>

>

>

>

>

>> What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion

>> vs Norwalk?

>>

>> Neva been More ready!

>>

>

>

>

--

Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

The JL does a decent job-I had one, but found it hard to clean. No one was saying the JL wasn't any good-it is, just that there IS a difference in nutrition that something like a Norwalk would produce. For a casual juicer, the juice they produce is perfectly fine. I have owned just about every type of juicer ever (except the coveted Norwalk) and my favorite was a cheap Waring that I paid 8 dollars for on an after Christmas sale. I don't kid myself into think the juice was superior, but it was more than adequate.>>> What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion >> vs Norwalk?>>>> Neva been More ready!>>>>>-- Steve SpenceRenewable energy and self sufficiencyhttp://www.green-trust.orghttp://arduinotronics.blogspot.com------------------------------------

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I agree about it being a pain to clean. I may have used it more often had

it been easier.

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> The JL does a decent job-I had one, but found it hard to clean. No one

> was saying the JL wasn't any good-it is, just that there IS a difference

> in nutrition that something like a Norwalk would produce. For a casual

> juicer, the juice they produce is perfectly fine. I have owned just

> about every type of juicer ever (except the coveted Norwalk) and my

> favorite was a cheap Waring that I paid 8 dollars for on an after

> Christmas sale. I don't kid myself into think the juice was superior,

> but it was more than adequate.

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>>> What is difference nutrition wise in juice from jack Leland vs champion

>>> vs Norwalk?

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>>> Neva been More ready!

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Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com

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It is actually all white plastic; it was the only model that the local food

co-op sold. It is from approximately 1978-79 and cost $100 at that time, which

really seemed like a lot back then!

What do you mean about Times Square; you don't want to wait " on " line to ride

the Ferris Wheel at Toys R Us with all the tourists, LOL? My brother was

visiting us from Miami with his wife and kids a few Christmases ago and actually

pulled his kids out of the Ferris Wheel line after I had bought tickets so he

could make it back to the train for NJ before it got dark! He was furious with

me! Give me a break, LOL!

Joyce

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> & gt; & gt; Who here juices with their Vitamix? I was watching the video

> & gt; posted earlier, and how she is pressing out the juice by hand

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> & gt; bag. My husband is in the process of making us a press, and I'm

> & gt; thinking it could be used with the Vitamix. We were going to use

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> & gt; tandom with our Jack LaLanne juicer, to get more juice from the

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> & gt; (as recommended in Gerson Therapy - but they recommend a Norwalk

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> & gt; Champaion). Here's the link to the press my husband is making:

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> & gt; & gt; http://www.juicepress.org/

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I absolutely agree with this. If I used a champion, I would use it as a grinder

ONLY. You can take the screen out and not damage the food. Then press it.

There have been tests and I can't find the link now but one showed exactly what

enzymes and other nutrients that were there when foods were chopped and

distributed and juiced in 4 or more different machines. It was quite impressive.

There were only 1 or 2 things missing from the champion that were in the juice

from the norwalk. But there was a lot missing from the other juicers that

created a lot of heat at the point of separating the juice from the pulp.

And that was just in what they were looking for. There are over 10,000 known

phytonutrients in raw foods. They can't test for everything.

Gerson has on a few occasions tried other juicers that seemed promising and cost

less. Within months, they saw they were not having the results and switched back

to the Norwalk. That tells us something too.

DebDrake

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> Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

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I don't think there's a problem for a basically healthy person to use Champion juice and then press the pulp and combine the two; for that matter, I neither endorse nor oppose the Gerson method--I'm aware of it because of my longtime interest in the Norwalk. I find it a pain, though, to clean that (or any other such) screen. It's my understanding that Gerson recommends the Champion/press option for those who can't afford a Norwalk but has never recommended any other juicer. It's worth noting that Boger, who heads up Norwalk California, is the only Norwalk person who's actually affiliated with the Gerson Clinic and he's not actually a Norwalk employee but rather an independent contractor (all juicers ship from Arkansas, regardless of who takes the order). IOW the clinic and Norwalk, despite a years-long association, aren't in bed with each other.

I have a buddy on the Norwalk forum who has had several Norwalks as well as a Green Star and a Champion. She compared Champion juice combined with the juice pressed from its pulp to juice made from Champion pulp, i.e., using the blank instead of the screen, pressed on her Norwalk; she claims the quality of juice is noticeably better in the latter case. She has no use whatsoever for the Green Star--she says it produces gritty juice and that the pulp, though dry, is very chunky compared to Norwalk and Champion pulp.

Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

I absolutely agree with this. If I used a champion, I would use it as a grinder ONLY. You can take the screen out and not damage the food. Then press it.

There have been tests and I can't find the link now but one showed exactly what enzymes and other nutrients that were there when foods were chopped and distributed and juiced in 4 or more different machines. It was quite impressive. There were only 1 or 2 things missing from the champion that were in the juice from the norwalk. But there was a lot missing from the other juicers that created a lot of heat at the point of separating the juice from the pulp.

And that was just in what they were looking for. There are over 10,000 known phytonutrients in raw foods. They can't test for everything.

Gerson has on a few occasions tried other juicers that seemed promising and cost less. Within months, they saw they were not having the results and switched back to the Norwalk. That tells us something too.

DebDrake

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> Here's a nice Acme on eBay:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ACME-6001-Supreme-Juicerator-Juicer-MINT-Condition_W0QQitemZ330524587339QQcategoryZ20677QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D320641536316%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6789168216442905278

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I got the Omega Vert juicer for Christmas since it was highly recommended by a good friend of mine. I have truly enjoyed using it and it is very easy to clean. Still have a lot to learn about juicing though!

From: <kareningotham@...> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 11:38:36 AMSubject: Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

The Norwalk grinds produce into virtual wet slop (it's already part juice before it's pressed), thereby rupturing virtually every cell wall that can be ruptured, then presses the "slop" through cloth with a tight weave at 1 ton of pressure by means of an electric hydraulic press. The resulting pulp is, for all intents and purposes, devoid of nutrition. The Champion simultaneously grinds and press produce through a fine screen produces juice of quite good quality and flavor. Centrifugal juicers simultaneously shred produce (not as effectively as either of the previous two) and hurl it against a filter at high speed, resulting in less juice and more oxidation. Still, it's better than no juice at all and if that's the juicer that you'll use, that's the one to keep. Re: Juicing with the Vitamix Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:42 AM Oh, geez--ANYTHING would be better than that unless you

don't keep upwith it. :OI hate to repeat what I've already posted but I've been juicingseriously since 1988. Now that that's out of the way, until 2009, Ionly used a Champion which, to my way of thinking (and to Norwalk's) issecond only to the Norwalk for all-around juicing. However, if you findyourself using a Jack LaLanne but not a Champion, that's the way to gobecause a juicer--like any appliance--is only good if you use it....

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It's an interesting juicer (I believe it's also marketed under another name?).

Re: Juicing with the Vitamix

Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:42 AM

Oh, geez--ANYTHING would be better than that unless you don't keep up

with it.

I hate to repeat what I've already posted but I've been juicing

seriously since 1988. Now that that's out of the way, until 2009, I

only used a Champion which, to my way of thinking (and to Norwalk's) is

second only to the Norwalk for all-around juicing. However, if you find

yourself using a Jack LaLanne but not a Champion, that's the way to go

because a juicer--like any appliance--is only good if you use it....